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Education Act. #2


This bill will ensure the security of teachers while ensuring that students stay at school for an appropriate length of time.
Length of time at school

(1)Many countries will have different life expectancies and that when Drafting this Bill I will need to make allowances for that. I therefore propose that Students start school between the ages of 3-5 and complete school between the ages of 14-16.
(2)Also, I must insist on making students go on to further education or full time employment.

Teacher Security
Teacher Security is an element that we need to regulate to make sure our children have a stable education throughout their learning life. Examples of this. Having a Teacher leave Halfway through the year. We need to have a stable education system. No matter what country you are in.

(1)Teachers have to sign a contract to be able to teach at the desired school.
(2)Teachers cannot get sacked or removed from their job for any reason until the contract is up. (Exception of this is the teacher is performing poorly or is the defendant in a Court case.etc.)
(3)Teachers can chose to have an opt out clause if they wish but it is not compulsory.

Curriculum studies.

Studies of such are to be considered as following the described requirements of the cause.
(1)2 full years of secondary study of English.
(2)All school years study of Maths
(3)Mandatory study of History throughout school years
(4)I propose in accordance with this bill. To form a committee that oversees the studies of school students. The committee shall be named Education Curriculum committee.
(5)Make it mandatory to attend school for 7 Hours a day, 4 days a week unless child has a reason for being absent.

Reasons for being Absent

(1)Sick: Unable to attend school because of a viral infection and/or injury to him/herself.
(2)Suspended: unable to attend school because of an incident that happened within the principal’s range of authority that warrants punishment by suspension.(Fights, an incident that causes injury to another student etc.) A variety of problems that are not controllable by detentions or retention of privileges.
3. Other valid reasons include, but are not limited to, medical appointments, medical treatment, attending a family funeral, inclement weather, etc.
After a student is absent the nominated Parent or Caregier is to telephone the school or write an note or indicate why the student was absent.

The eduction reform is a bill to reform education into a better nation.

This bill will ensure that:

(a)Students aged 5 start school so all students start school at the same age.

You're assuming that all nations age on the same level. They don't.

(b)Students stay at school until the age of sixteen or until they complete year ten.

Our children actually complete school at age fifteen with the equivalent of what you may consider first or second year university. Also, sixteen doesn't work for the same reasons mentioned earlier.

(c)All students go on to further education or full time employment.

What about nations with conscription? Again, you're assuming that things are run the same as your nation everywhere else. You need to make allowances for other nations.

(d)Remove Personal Development from PD/H/PE and make Personal Development a seperate subject at high school.

I'm not sure what you mean by Personal Development. I'm not sure that we have that concept, or we call it by a different name.

(e)Teachers have surcruity at school and are protected by insurence.

Would be good, but how are schools with little money to pay for it?

(f) Teachers have to sign a contract to teach at a school.(This is to provide the surcuity) and cannot leave that school until the contract is up.

To me, this would be causing more of a problem than it would solve. Signing a contract to get the security and insurance and not having an opt out clause in case the teacher is offered a better position, or has to move, or for whatever reason is likely to cause a lot of resentment and contempt among teachers.

(g)Has a minuinm wage of 600 dollars a week.

What, exactly, are dollars? We don't have an economic system that has cash money. The state takes care of everyone. So, how are we to pay this six hundred dollars a week when we don't even have that?

This bill will ensure that both teachers and students are happy.

I'm not sure about the teachers, but it really doesn't do anything for students.

Good try though. I'd like to see some more drafting on this. There should be some basic curriculum that is offered. Reading, writing, arithmetic and the like. Also, it should provide children with the option for free government funded education.

Paula Jenner, Rutianas Ambassador

Thanks for your thoughts on this issue. By Dollars, I mean your countries Currency. By Staying at that school until thier contract is up. I mean the pricipals can't sack them. By the ages I mean get every country on the same page. Unfortunly every country will have different education laws. this is just to get the ages all the same for further reform. Thanks, I will make those changes. Plese check back in the next couple of days for the updated version.

Thanks for your thoughts on this issue. By Dollars, I mean your countries Currency. By Staying at that school until thier contract is up. I mean the pricipals can't sack them. By the ages I mean get every country on the same page. Unfortunly every country will have different education laws. this is just to get the ages all the same for further reform. Thanks, I will make those changes. Plese check back in the next couple of days for the updated version.

I understand what you mean now, however, it's what is written that matters. I would state clearly that the contract has an opt out if the teacher wishes to leave, but the principal can't force the teacher to leave.

The matter of currency is an important one. Perhaps it should read that the teachers should be paid on a scale to be determined by the nation, however, the amount should be no less than what an individual needs to provide shelter, sustenance, pay for basic comfort needs, etc. You also need to be accommodating to nations which don't have a currency that the people are given. Rutianas works on a voucher system. Everyone gets the same amount of vouchers which easily pays for basic needs and some luxuries. The system works for us and we would not be so willing to change it. There has to be some allowances for nations like ours. Not everyone works on a cash economy. You can be creative with this. You're no where near the character limit, which I believe is 3500. If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone else will correct me.

Again on the ages, not every nation has people that age in the same way. Let me try and explain.

Nation A has a life expectancy of 20 years. So to force them in school at age 5 and unable to leave until 16 is leaving them with only 4 years that they may work which are effectively their 'senior years' in which they may not be able to do any kind of hard labor.

If you follow that, then you may realise now that keeping actual ages in place could cause a breakdown of a nation's economy if they fall within this spectrum.

Most legislators find it easier to define what a child is. For most, they go with the age of majority for all nations. This is usually the age in which an individual is no longer deemed a child and may leave their parents and find work. For an education proposal, you may wish to place a restriction of something like 'entering school at no later than 1/4 of the age of majority, and ending no earlier than 7/8 of the age of majority'. Gives a little leeway for the nation to choose to continue up to the age of majority, but still allows for a decent portion of childhood to be spent in education.

I still wish you'd consider adding the basics of reading, writing, and arithmetic to the proposal. This would at least allow for all children to be literate and be able to do basic math at least.

Paula Jenner, Rutianas Ambassador

Thank you I will say as i said on justice act. i value every countries opinion, however. I have to disagree with the voucher system. forgive me, but if you hand out vouchers. Your people can't spend them on what they like. But it is a matter of personal opinion.

Token snarky comment: you can tell it's an Education proposal by the bad spelling.

I do Believe that this is a place to debate the proposal of legislation. If you were in The national parliament of australia you would be sent out. If you don't have any comments on the bill itself than I would ask you to stay away from this bill. And better still. Resign from the WA

If your not careful. I'll change my position on your "Fair Trial Repeal Bill". Just a Friendly warning

Thank you I will say as i said on justice act. i value every countries opinion, however. I have to disagree with the voucher system. forgive me, but if you hand out vouchers. Your people can't spend them on what they like. But it is a matter of personal opinion.

You may disagree with it, but if you're going to declare that teachers must be paid, you must make allowances for all economic systems to avoid people questioning how they're to pay them? Or pointing out that some nations don't use money. It's a fairly common issue.

If you refuse to compromise with things that you personally disagree with, you'll find that nothing will be likely to pass. There will just be too many things that people disagree with in the legislation. The mark of a good legislator is a willingness to compromise and accept that different nations have different systems.

As for spending vouchers, actually they can spend them on what they like. There's nothing that says that our people must spend them in a certain way. They choose what to buy. If they choose to buy all luxuries and no food, well, that's their own choice. They can go hungry until they get their next set of vouchers. The government has looked into what is needed by the people and set an amount of vouchers for each person based on a calculation that provides basic needs plus more vouchers. It is based on the individual. An infant gets the same amount as a school child as a working adult. Do the research on our system before you assume that people can't spend it how they want. Our people have the ability to gain luxuries as you might put it. Keep in mind that we are an advanced society and most of us have gone beyond the desire to keep pretty trinkets around us. Those that want them are more than capable of getting them.

The point is that not everyone runs a country the way that yours is run. There's no one right system. It's all what works for your country and it's people. Ours works quite well for us. Yours works quite well for you. Compromise, however, is how legislation gets written to the point where it is very likely to be passed. Take a look at a lot of the debates in the past. There's things that authors don't want messed with, that ends up messed with, because enough people want it changed.

Paula Jenner, Rutianas Ambassador

I do Believe that this is a place to debate the proposal of legislation. If you were in The national parliament of australia you would be sent out. If you don't have any comments on the bill itself than I would ask you to stay away from this bill. And better still. Resign from the WA

Comments like this are not likely to endear you to anyone. The honorable Cerys Coch has written several resolutions in the past. Her comment about spelling was true. A spell checker is something that is good to have around.

However, I will attempt to explain. There have been a multitude of education proposals in the past in which a spell checker was not used. This is a phenomenon that seems to appear mainly in education proposals.

Next, I'm not sure what this national parliament of australia is. Is it what your nation calls it's parliament? Or is it from this fictional real world we keep hearing about?

Paula Jenner, Rutianas Ambassador

It is the country that I live in the real world.

I do Believe that this is a place to debate the proposal of legislation. If you were in The national parliament of australia you would be sent out.
I'm a civil servant, dear. What would I be doing in any national parliament? And I thought Australia was a region, am I wrong?

If you don't have any comments on the bill itself than I would ask you to stay away from this bill.
That was a comment on the bill itself. It contains a fair number of mis-spellings, though at least they're consistent mis-spellings. In all honesty I don't think I've seen an Education resolution in all my time in the WA that wasn't mis-spelled, and most of them seem to think that grammar is the old lady living with granpa.

And better still. Resign from the WA
Ironically, you're going to get your wish on this one for entirely unrelated reasons. Good luck with dealing with my boss; he's long-winded enough to have enumerated your spelling and grammar faults, critiqued your structure and still be droning on next Christmas.

(OOC: goings on in this forum are pretty much always in character, except in the Silly/Illegal Proposals thread. And no, Cerys isn't a nice woman: follow the link if you want her bio. If you try dragging Real Life stuff in like Australia or Global Warming, people are going to wilfully misinterpret you for the amusement value.)

I'm intriged. I won't ask why. But I will ask if you are going to continue with your current bill at vote."Fair Trial"

Ironically, you're going to get your wish on this one for entirely unrelated reasons. Good luck with dealing with my boss; he's long-winded enough to have enumerated your spelling and grammar faults, critiqued your structure and still be droning on next Christmas.


I think I will miss your comments and wit, Ms. Coch. Good luck to you.

Paula Jenner, Rutianas Ambassador

What about nations with conscription? Again, you're assuming that things are run the same as your nation everywhere else. You need to make allowances for other nations.

Paula Jenner, Rutianas Ambassador

Being in the military seems like a full time job to me.

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

(a)Students aged 5 start school so all students start school at the same age.


As it is already mandatory for children at the age of 4 to attend state-run kindergartens, this is not a point which I would argue about.


(b)Students stay at school until the age of sixteen or until they complete year ten.


As a part of our educational system, upon reaching maturity (age of 15), every man must serve in the army for one year (mandatory) for educational purposes.


(c)All students go on to further education or full time employment.


The state provides a job for every citizen, so this is not a point at which I would argue.


(d)Remove Personal Development from PD/H/PE and make Personal Development a seperate subject at high school.


Our country does not have a subject of this name in our schools, neither a subject that fits the definition of the subject. It will remain that way.


(e)Teachers have surcruity at school and are protected by insurence.


We would kindly ask the author to explain what he meant in this particular point.


(f) Teachers have to sign a contract to teach at a school.(This is to provide the surcuity) and cannot leave that school until the contract is up.


Since all schools in Voltaggia are state-run, the teachers cannot be fired, nor can he take any other job unless he applies to the government.


(g)Has a minuinm wage of 600 dollars a week.


While our country uses monetary system, it is only used for trading with other countries - each citizen gets as many goods as he needs.


Joseph Chekov, Voltaggian minister for WA affairs.

I'm intriged. I won't ask why. But I will ask if you are going to continue with your current bill at vote."Fair Trial"
It's not 'at vote', and it's my boss's work rather than mine. I'd never have written "OPINES". But yes.

Why I'm not going to be lecturing you on a regular basis isn't a secret, I've mentioned it briefly elsewhere. Briefly, Gobbannium withdrew from the WA when "Fair Criminal Trial" passed because we could see the security flaws in it then. I ended up in charge of the diplomatic mission that was sent along in its place -- technically and legally a different nation, whose sovereign territory was whatever office space I could scrounge. Now that FCT isn't on the books any more, Gobbannium can come back and normal diplomatic relations can resume. That means I don't get to be in charge any more; you'll be dealing with Ambassador Prince Rhodri Mawr, and he can be a bit hard work to manage, if you know what I mean.

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Permanant Undersecretary Cerys Coch, currently changing nameplates.

Thank you Bob Flibble

Thank you Bob Flibble

Don't be too hasty, I'm not in favor of homogenizing the educational systems of WA member nations. There's simply too much variation between the nations to make it even remotely feasible.

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

I'll keep that in mind thanks

Education Act. #2


This bill will ensure the security of teachers while ensuring that students stay at school for an appropriate length of time.
Length of time at school

(1)Many countries will have different life expectancies and that when Drafting this Bill I will need to make allowances for that. I therefore propose that Students start school between the ages of 3-5 and complete school between the ages of 14-16.
(2)Also, I must insist on making students go on to further education or full time employment.

Teacher Security
Teacher Security is an element that we need to regulate to make sure our children have a stable education throughout their learning life. Examples of this. Having a Teacher leave Halfway through the year. We need to have a stable education system. No matter what country you are in.

(1)Teachers have to sign a contract to be able to teach at the desired school.
(2)Teachers cannot get sacked or removed from their job for any reason until the contract is up.
(3)Teachers can chose to have an opt out clause if they wish but it is not compulsory.
(4)Teachers must get paid a minimum of 400 Countries currency.

Curriculum studies.

Studies of such are to be considered as following the described requirements of the cause.
(1)2 full years of secondary study of English.
(2)All school years study of Maths
(3)Optional study of History throughout school years
(4)I propose in accordance with this bill. To form a committee that oversees the studies of school students. The committee shall be named Education Curriculum committee.
(5)Make it mandatory to attend school for 7 Hours a day, 6 days a week unless child has a reason for being absent.

Reasons for being Absent

(1)Sick: Unable to attend school because of a viral infection and/or injury to him/herself.
(2)Suspended: unable to attend school because of an incident that happened within the principal’s range of authority that warrants punishment by suspension.(Fights, an incident that causes injury to another student etc.) A variety of problems that are not controllable by detentions or retention of privileges.
(3)Doctor appointments, Dentist appointments etc.
After a student is absent the nominated Parent or Caregiver is to telephone the school or write an note or indicate why the student was absent.
(4) I propose that we form a committee that oversees the attendance of students. This committee shall be called the Truancy Monitor committee. This committee shall report to school of any unexplained absence and get in contact with the parents.

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(1)Many countries will have different life expectancies and that when Drafting this Bill I will need to make allowances for that. I therefore propose that Students start school between the ages of 3-5 and complete school between the ages of 14-16.

Taking this in pieces that I especially agree or disagree with. If it's not mentioned, then it's something I don't feel strongly against and probably agree with in general.

First, this bit. Again, ages are mentioned. A good way to kill a piece of legislation. I went into this previously. Not going to do it again. I'm sure others will, however.

Teacher Security
Teacher Security is an element that we need to regulate to make sure our children have a stable education throughout their learning life. Examples of this. Having a Teacher leave Halfway through the year. We need to have a stable education system. No matter what country you are in.

(1)Teachers have to sign a contract to be able to teach at the desired school.
(2)Teachers cannot get sacked or removed from their job for any reason until the contract is up.
(3)Teachers can chose to have an opt out clause if they wish but it is not compulsory.
(4)Teachers must get paid a minimum of 400 Countries currency.


This part is much better. However, 4 still poses a problem for countries who do not have monetary currency in public circulation. Perhaps it should read '400 of the national currency for those nations who use monetary wages' or something of the like. Remember, some of us are on a system that does not use money. As I stated before, you may not approve of such a system, but you have to make allowances for it if you're going to declare an amount of wages to be earned.

Curriculum studies.

Studies of such are to be considered as following the described requirements of the cause.
(1)2 full years of secondary study of English.
(2)All school years study of Maths
(3)Optional study of History throughout school years
(4)I propose in accordance with this bill. To form a committee that oversees the studies of school students. The committee shall be named Education Curriculum committee.
(5)Make it mandatory to attend school for 7 Hours a day, 6 days a week unless child has a reason for being absent.

While I'm pleased to see curriculum implemented, I would like to take a closer look at three of them.

1. English. Rutianas's national languages fortunately contains English. German and Rutian are the other two, but I digress. To force all nations to learn English would be quite unfair on many levels. I would prefer for this to be something along the lines of 2, but with a persons national language or languages so that a person is able to read, write, and speak the language or languages effectively. You may, of course, suggest the study of English so that it may be easier for people to communicate, but not force them. You may find quite a bit of resistance to this. English, but not a national language.

3. Optional history? Why optional. History has a nasty habit of repeating itself if one doesn't learn and comprehend what went wrong the first time. I'd make it mandatory.

5. 6 days a week? I'd hope you're joking. Our children go to school 5 days a week for 8 hours a day. They do quite well in those 5 days. So, why 6 days? Why not 5? Unless there's hard evidence over multiple nations to show that 6 days is more effective than 5, then I'd suggest requiring at least 5 days a week, for 7 hours a day at the minimum. Let nations decide if they want to make it more than that.

Reasons for being Absent

(1)Sick: Unable to attend school because of a viral infection and/or injury to him/herself.
(2)Suspended: unable to attend school because of an incident that happened within the principal’s range of authority that warrants punishment by suspension.(Fights, an incident that causes injury to another student etc.) A variety of problems that are not controllable by detentions or retention of privileges.
(3)Doctor appointments, Dentist appointments etc.
After a student is absent the nominated Parent or Caregiver is to telephone the school or write an note or indicate why the student was absent.
(4) I propose that we form a committee that oversees the attendance of students. This committee shall be called the Truancy Monitor committee. This committee shall report to school of any unexplained absence and get in contact with the parents.

Just some wording suggestions.

1. Drop 'to him/herself'. It's clear without that.
2. Remove the part in parenthesis and the last sentence. If you feel you need to define it, then add on 'including, but not limited to, fights, intentional injury to another student, involvement in illegal activities on school grounds, etc'.
3. Drop 'or indicate' and replace with 'to explain'.
4. If you're going to form a committee, you need to be clear whether it should be at the WA level or the national level. If it's at the national level, then be cautious with it. It'll need taxpayer money to keep it running most likely. If you do something like this at the WA level, then it's likely to be shot down. What I'd do is suggest that the nations keep tabs on truancy and have some kind of police attached to the schools to drag truant children back to school.

Paula Jenner, Rutianas Ambassador

thank you. I will keep that in mind.

Hmm, I wonder how long it'll be before a mod merges this thread with the first one (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=577347)?

Hmm, I wonder how long it'll be before a mod merges this thread with the first one (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=577347)?

Yeah, I was going to mention that, but decided not to since it'll happen soon anyway.

Without necessarily agreeing with anything, because so far I don't, let me take on another point Rutianas missed.


(1)Sick: Unable to attend school because of a viral infection and/or injury to him/herself.

In terms of definition, this is quite lacking. So it's okay to miss school if you have influenza, rabies, viral gastroenteritis, or Ebola, but not if you have tuberculosis, vCJD, cancer, or are delusionally psychotic? It would be far better to define this as simply being certified unfit for school by a registered and qualified medical practitioner (i.e., doctor) rather than trying to specify why.

Also, I think you should know that there are more reasons than just these that a child may not be able to attend school, and not all of them can be fixed by talking to the parents. I'm not talking about the benign and valid excuses you may have overlooked like attending a family funeral or being snowed in, but things like the parents being too drunk or drugged out to take the kids to school (or simply not caring to), actual parental abuse, the child being beyond the parent's ability to discipline - and that assumes the child still has parents, so you may want to add "or legal guardian". However, that's not going to save this proposal, and neither do I expect you to tackle problems like child abuse and alcoholism in an education resolution. You do need to think a lot bigger, beyond just what are frankly local-level solutions.

I would be more than willing to allow you to work with me to co-Write this resolution with me Rutianas. I have reviewed my current situation with the currency and converted to the Voucher system. Thank you again.

(2)Teachers cannot get sacked or removed from their job for any reason until the contract is up.
I don't like the idea of having poor teachers continue teaching. Quality of teaching is more important than a little stability. And that's just if the teacher is bad-what if they turn out to be abusive, or sexually harass their students? I somehow doubt the students will benefit from such a teacher staying.

(5)Make it mandatory to attend school for 7 Hours a day, 6 days a week unless child has a reason for being absent.
This doesn't leave much space for students who prefer self-education, outside an institutionalised setting. My nation places high emphasis on civil rights for all age groups, and forcing one age group to be 42 hours a week (that's more than a regular work week, mind you) somewhere, regardless of whether they wish to be, simply because of their age is unacceptable.

I also agree with Kelssek's feedback regarding the illness definition.

Education Act. #2

(1)Many countries will have different life expectancies and that when Drafting this Bill I will need to make allowances for that. I therefore propose that Students start school between the ages of 3-5 and complete school between the ages of 14-16.

As said before, children of age 4 enter the school and children of age 15 start their mandatory 1 year war service. We do not oppose this point.


(2)Also, I must insist on making students go on to further education or full time employment.

Since government provides jovbs for every citizen, we do not oppose this point.


(1)Teachers have to sign a contract to be able to teach at the desired school.
(2)Teachers cannot get sacked or removed from their job for any reason until the contract is up.


Every citizen whose education is equal to that of a "teacher", is employed at a government school, while their employment cannot be undone until their retirement.

(4)Teachers must get paid a minimum of 400 Countries currency.


Our people do not get any money. Every citizen is allowed to take the portion of goods he is allowed, so all are equal. Our currency is only used for trading with other countries. Therefore, we oppose this point.



(1)2 full years of secondary study of English.


While we support study of international languages, we allow each student to choose two foreign languages of his preferral. This is not limited to English. Therefore, we oppose this point.


(2)All school years study of Maths


Mathematics are essential to our educational programme.


(3)Optional study of History throughout school years


History of the Nation of Voltaggia that is written by government approved writers is an essential programme. Every child (and an adult) must learn this subject through all his educational period. ((OOC: Sorry for bad english. I'm not a natice speaker)). We oppose this point for those reasons, as for history of our nation is not optional.


(4)I propose in accordance with this bill. To form a committee that oversees the studies of school students. The committee shall be named Education Curriculum committee.



Our school system already has a government approved comitee, although it is named Voltaggian Commite for Education and School morale, ethics and truth.


(5)Make it mandatory to attend school for 7 Hours a day, 6 days a week unless child has a reason for being absent.


Our children must attend a government school for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. Saturdays and Sundays are government-acknowledged work-and-school-free days, and we do not support this point.




(1)Sick: Unable to attend school because of a viral infection and/or injury to him/herself.
(2)Suspended: unable to attend school because of an incident that happened within the principal’s range of authority that warrants punishment by suspension.(Fights, an incident that causes injury to another student etc.) A variety of problems that are not controllable by detentions or retention of privileges.
(3)Doctor appointments, Dentist appointments etc.
After a student is absent the nominated Parent or Caregiver is to telephone the school or write an note or indicate why the student was absent.


We approve of these points, yet if a child is absent for more than 25% of all classes, he must repeat the year in which he is.

(4) I propose that we form a committee that oversees the attendance of students. This committee shall be called the Truancy Monitor committee. This committee shall report to school of any unexplained absence and get in contact with the parents.



Any unexplained absence is strictly punished by beating the child's behind with a bamboo stick, and by reporting that to the parents.


Because of some points that contradict our current school system, we will oppose this proposition. However, should these change, we will be glad to provide feedback.

Joseph Chekov, Voltaggian minister for WA affairs.

I would be more than willing to allow you to work with me to co-Write this resolution with me Rutianas. I have reviewed my current situation with the currency and converted to the Voucher system. Thank you again.

I will certainly help in the process as much as I am able to.

Paula Jenner, Rutianas Ambassador

Without necessarily agreeing with anything, because so far I don't, let me take on another point Rutianas missed.



In terms of definition, this is quite lacking. So it's okay to miss school if you have influenza, rabies, viral gastroenteritis, or Ebola, but not if you have tuberculosis, vCJD, cancer, or are delusionally psychotic? It would be far better to define this as simply being certified unfit for school by a registered and qualified medical practitioner (i.e., doctor) rather than trying to specify why.

Also, I think you should know that there are more reasons than just these that a child may not be able to attend school, and not all of them can be fixed by talking to the parents. I'm not talking about the benign and valid excuses you may have overlooked like attending a family funeral or being snowed in, but things like the parents being too drunk or drugged out to take the kids to school (or simply not caring to), actual parental abuse, the child being beyond the parent's ability to discipline - and that assumes the child still has parents, so you may want to add "or legal guardian". However, that's not going to save this proposal, and neither do I expect you to tackle problems like child abuse and alcoholism in an education resolution. You do need to think a lot bigger, beyond just what are frankly local-level solutions.

Ahh, yes, thank you. I did forget about these things. It was something that I overlooked while thinking about valid reasons. This can be fixed easily with some wording in 3 under the last section.

3. Other valid reasons include, but are not limited to, medical appointments, medical treatment, attending a family funeral, inclement weather, etc.

The child abuse item appears to be covered already in the Child Protection Act, as does the alcoholism issue. The child is entitled to a basic education already. So if the parent or legal guardian does not provide this, for whatever reason, then it's already covered.

As for thinking a lot bigger, what do you suggest then?

Paula Jenner, Rutianas Ambassador

Am I the only one that thinks mentioning reasons for missing school in a WA resolution is micromanagement?

Also:

(2)Teachers cannot get sacked or removed from their job for any reason until the contract is up.
I can think of many reasons for sacking a teacher before his or her contract is up.

(4)Teachers must get paid a minimum of 400 Countries currency.
"400 Countries currency" is a meaningless figure. What if the nation's currency is worthless and 400 of it won't buy a candy bar?

My advice is to stick to the provisions dealing with curriculum. Leave the gory details of teacher salaries and attendance policy up to local school boards.

David Watts
Ambassador
The Dominion of New Leicestershire

Am I the only one that thinks mentioning reasons for missing school in a WA resolution is micromanagement?

Also:


I can think of many reasons for sacking a teacher before his or her contract is up.


"400 Countries currency" is a meaningless figure. What if the nation's currency is worthless and 400 of it won't buy a candy bar?

My advice is to stick to the provisions dealing with curriculum. Leave the gory details of teacher salaries and attendance policy up to local school boards.

David Watts
Ambassador
The Dominion of New Leicestershire

After thinking about it for a while, I'd have to agree. Considering there is a resolution which makes certain people are paid enough to at least live (Living Wage Act), I'm more and more convinced that salaries shouldn't be dealt with.

I'd also have to agree that attendance policy is also a potential pitfall. Different nations have different customs which may cause students to miss school for something we can't possibly think of here without polling every single nation for all reasons a child may miss school. That is a job I will absolutely not volunteer for.

Paula Jenner, Rutianas Ambassador

Hmm, I wonder how long it'll be before a mod merges this thread with the first one (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=577347)?

Thanks for the link, Flib.

For the information of new nations, it's easier on the rest of us if you keep all versions of a resolution in a single drafting thread.

You can keep editing the post in which you've printed the original version, showing alterations in a different colour type, or you can just add the latest version below the original, then identify them as "First version" and "Current version" (probably easier on the eyes, depending on how many versions you go through).

Oh -- and please, please run them through SpellCheck.

Thanks for the link, Flib.No problem.

Education Act. #2


This bill will ensure the security of teachers while ensuring that students stay at school for an appropriate length of time.
Length of time at school

(1)Many countries will have different life expectancies and that when Drafting this Bill I will need to make allowances for that. I therefore propose that Students start school between the ages of 3-5 and complete school between the ages of 14-16.
(2)Also, I must insist on making students go on to further education or full time employment.

Teacher Security
Teacher Security is an element that we need to regulate to make sure our children have a stable education throughout their learning life. Examples of this. Having a Teacher leave Halfway through the year. We need to have a stable education system. No matter what country you are in.

(1)Teachers have to sign a contract to be able to teach at the desired school.
(2)Teachers cannot get sacked or removed from their job for any reason until the contract is up. (Exception of this is the teacher is performing poorly or is the defendant in a Court case.etc.)
(3)Teachers can chose to have an opt out clause if they wish but it is not compulsory.

Curriculum studies.

Studies of such are to be considered as following the described requirements of the cause.
(1)2 full years of secondary study of English.
(2)All school years study of Maths
(3)Mandatory study of History throughout school years
(4)I propose in accordance with this bill. To form a committee that oversees the studies of school students. The committee shall be named Education Curriculum committee.
(5)Make it mandatory to attend school for 7 Hours a day, 4 days a week unless child has a reason for being absent.

Reasons for being Absent

(1)Sick: Unable to attend school because of a viral infection and/or injury to him/herself.
(2)Suspended: unable to attend school because of an incident that happened within the principal’s range of authority that warrants punishment by suspension.(Fights, an incident that causes injury to another student etc.) A variety of problems that are not controllable by detentions or retention of privileges.
3. Other valid reasons include, but are not limited to, medical appointments, medical treatment, attending a family funeral, inclement weather, etc.
After a student is absent the nominated Parent or Caregier is to telephone the school or write an note or indicate why the student was absent.

This sounds like it's forbidding anarchism, as it requires mandating people have a job. Therefore, this would be an illegal resolution.

This sounds like it's forbidding anarchism, as it requires mandating people have a job. Therefore, this would be an illegal resolution.

I'm not mandating people have a job. This is just getting surcruity for teachers.

I would Like to thank Rutinus for helpingme draft this resolution.

I must insist on making students go on to further education or full time employment.

So a job or being educated. You need to eliminate it or specify it is only a suggestion, not a mandate.

Ahem!" 'James Bluntus' should read this post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14335352&postcount=34).

Indeed he should. This is the second thread of his I've had to merge. Make one drafting thread and stick to it, JB!

This looks like notes towards a proposal, rather than an actual proposal. Any chance of a version that doesn't have all the asides, "I"s and so on?

--
Cerys Coch, Permanent Undersecretary

ambassador,


your assuming that all nations are like yours. my partner and I have been working for a very long time on our education proposal. in the forums. your plan is far to detailed with it's years and curriculum. not all nations or education systems are like your ambassador.

also it goes into unneccessary detail. reasons to be absent? how about we leave something for the nations to take care off. absentees are not for the international community to withhold and have laws on. there are more important things. a nation shouldn't be limited so much by that.

what if a nation allows another kind of absentee reason? this resolution would restrict it and force it to punish the student.

also, bringing up punishment, how will a nation be punished for not following up with the proposal? many flaws. it needs more work, though i do applaud your effort to work on education.

Wachichi

If I take all these componetes out. There will be no education proposal to vote on. but thank you.