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It's not my proposal but I thought every delegate should support this resolution.

Repeal "Living Wage Act"
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution


Category: Repeal
Resolution: #21
Proposed by: Faydan

Description: WA Resolution #21: Living Wage Act (Category: Social Justice; Strength: Significant) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: REALIZING the right of working peoples to a fair and living wage for purposes of the fulfillment of humane and basic rights, among which are personal and filial sustenance and basic needs;

ACKNOWLEDGING the role and function of government in the active intervention to establish standards to assert such conditions;

RECOGNIZING the various lifestyle and economic standards and conditions worldwide and their incompatibility with a universally prescribed evaluation process;

FURTHER RECOGNIZING that any such process or means of institutionalizing or enacting such legislation ultimately insists upon an ambiguous doctrine;

ACCEPTING the notion that the implementation of such legislation is counterproductive and an establishment of futile bureaucracy;

VOIDS this resolution for vagueness, inappropriateness to varying conditions, ineffectiveness, and counter-productivity to World Assembly member nations.

Approvals: 11 (Faydan, NewTexas, Jimmy Hart, Oxymorontopia, Painful intrusion, Mushet, Xanthal, the Sons of Somerled, G3N13, Cristina n Brandon, Jeffersontown)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 76 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Wed Oct 29 2008

i have yet to understand what exactly is vague about it? also i can't support a repeal without seeing it's replacement.

I think he's confusing vagueness with adaptability, which is the only reason I can think of for simultaneously claiming that it's too prescriptive.

Endorsed. This issue belongs on the national level, not the international level.

It's not the vagueness. It's the resolution is so poorly written that it doesn't protect workers.

MapleLeafss;14143186']It's not the vagueness. It's the resolution is so poorly written that it doesn't protect workers.



The honoured Ambassador for MapleLeafs is yet to present to this organisation anything of legislative quality for consideration, and has never had a resolution come to vote. And yet the honoured Ambassador is terribly fond of damning the work of other delegations as " poorly written " e.t.c. as though they might be considered an expert on statutory composition.

The utility of the Fair Wage act is as yet barely tested, but was heartily endorsed by this organisation as an highly accomplished legislative effort and an intelligent statutory remedy to the issue of social inequality. To repeal this statute now and with no better replacement would be folly of the highest order.

yours e.t.c. ,

i have yet to understand what exactly is vague about it? also i can't support a repeal without seeing it's replacement.
Repeals don't necessarily have to be followed by replacements...

That is true. But if it was considered important to create the legislation in the first place, we must assume that there is some value to it, and it would be conductive to the processes of the World Assembly to have a proposal to replace it in place so we can go from one version to a better version (should we decided to keep a law similar in place) in a logical manner.

This basically just calls the existing legislation ambiguous and ineffective without ever really saying why, or giving evidence to support such claims. Opposed.

-Irina Misheli, Deputy Ambassador

Repeals don't necessarily have to be followed by replacements...

yes but i'd rather have a bad law than no law at all dealing with the issue.

yes but i'd rather have a bad law than no law at all dealing with the issue.


We urge the honoured Ambassador to reconsider this position.

Thankfully this resolution is an excellent one and such a rash doctrine does not apply to it.

yours sincerely,

MapleLeafss;14143186']It's not the vagueness. It's the resolution is so poorly written that it doesn't protect workers.

Ah, the sound of a rapidly-shifting lack-of-argument. Inconsistency, how I have missed thee. Oh wait, no I haven't.

That is true. But if it was considered important to create the legislation in the first place, we must assume that there is some value to it, and it would be conductive to the processes of the World Assembly to have a proposal to replace it in place so we can go from one version to a better version (should we decided to keep a law similar in place) in a logical manner.
Three words: 'Max Barry Day'... ;)

Three words: 'Max Barry Day'... ;)

Four words: "Promotion of Solar Panels".

Three words: 'Max Barry Day'... ;)

Four words: "Promotion of Solar Panels".

Three words: "Not my point"

Three words: "Not my point"

No, our point is that crappy legislation has managed to get passed, legislation that is so crappy that it didn't deserve to be passed in the first place let alone be replaced.

No, our point is that crappy legislation has managed to get passed, legislation that is so crappy that it didn't deserve to be passed in the first place let alone be replaced.

Ah, but maybe there may just be some kernel of need undneath the bad legislation. All I am saying is that we should have a proposed piece of legislation to replace it that we can debate. Not that it doesn't need to be removed.

Good god this debate is circular! The recent provision for minimum incomes protection is barely in place and actually it is an excellent piece of law, the foolishness of certain nations aside it was heartily endorsed by this organisation, why is there such an unseemly and premature debate on its repeal taking place?

yours e.t.c. ,

Ah, but maybe there may just be some kernel of need undneath the bad legislation. All I am saying is that we should have a proposed piece of legislation to replace it that we can debate. Not that it doesn't need to be removed.

You've obviously never read the resolutions we're talking about have you? Here, take a look at Promotion of Solar Panels (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9692882&postcount=123) and Max Barry Day (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13132957&postcount=224) and once you've done that you can come back and point out this mythical "kernal of need." Although to be honest, you'd have more luck trying to find Colonel Sanders.

Bob Flibble
WA Representative