NationStates Jolt Archive

Hello member nations, the small region of Numenore. We humbly submit this proposal for review. Please feel free to make suggestions, amendments, etc. Thank you all for your input, we look forward to working with all of you on this important proposal.

Space Exploration and Technology Act

A resolution to promote the exploration of space and space technology.

Category: International Security

Strength: Significant

Description: Space Exploration and Space Technology Law


REALIZING that the exploration of space, including but not limited to outer space, near earth orbit and other planets (hereinafter "Space") and the development of such technologies to enable Space exploration and development is the right of all nations.


REALIZING that in order promote such exploration and development it is imperative the each nation be allowed to develop peaceful Space exploration programs without undue interference or impairment by other nations


Notes: This bill will seek to outlaw space offensive weapons but allow the development of spy satellites provided that they carry ONLY defensive measures for the protection of said countries property.

Resolved :

1. Every nation shall be able to develop (i) space vehicles (ii) space stations (iii) planetary bases (iv) satellites (both spy and research ) and (v) other such vehicles and habitats as may be conducive to the further exploration and development of space (each of (i)-(v) hereinafter "Exploration Vehicles") .
2. Every nation shall have the right to launch, maintain and do all such other things reasonably necessary to enable its Exploration Vehicles to accomplish its stated goal of furthering Space exploration.
3. No nation shall have the right to interfere with any other nation's Exploration Vehicles, or share such technology with another nation for such purpose, provided however, the such shall not be the case if such Exploration Vehicles (i) pose a clear and present danger to such country or (ii) are actively preventing such country from developing its own Exploration Vehicles (provided that the affected country has first attempted to consult the offending country and resolve such matters peaceably).
4. Each nation may develop satellites and other such vehicles as such country may deem appropriate for use in surveillance and related enterprises, subject in all cases however, to resolution three above.
5. Each nation may cooperate with any other nation or group of nations to further Space exploration and the development of Exploration Vehicles, subject in all cases to resolution three above.

Hello member nations, the small region of Numenore. We humbly submit this proposal for review. Please feel free to make suggestions, amendments, etc. Thank you all for your input, we look forward to working with all of you on this important proposal.

Please do not take our review of this too harshly. We seek to improve the WA and, as a nation, hold the whole of a group as more important than the individual, while trying to make sure the group considers the individual while making its decisions. It is reflected in our reviews.

Space Exploration and Technology Act

A resolution to promote the exploration of space and space technology.

Category: International Security

Strength: Significant

Description: Space Exploration and Space Technology Law


REALIZING that the exploration of space, including but not limited to outer space, near earth orbit and other planets (hereinafter "Space") and the development of such technologies to enable Space exploration and development is the right of all nations.


REALIZING that in order promote such exploration and development it is imperative the each nation be allowed to develop peaceful Space exploration programs without undue interference or impairment by other nations


Notes: This bill will seek to outlaw space offensive weapons but allow the development of spy satellites provided that they carry ONLY defensive measures for the protection of said countries property.

Opposed. We may not be in space as of yet, but we already know of at least one nation that could wipe out all life on our planet through the use of weaponry fired from orbit. The use of offensive weapons in space is not new to the world, and the knowledge that some nations are already capable of travelling between solar systems and quite possibly fight wars out there makes us unable to support any resolution which will ban any such weaponry.

Resolved :

1. Every nation shall be able to develop (i) space vehicles (ii) space stations (iii) planetary bases (iv) satellites (both spy and research ) and (v) other such vehicles and habitats as may be conducive to the further exploration and development of space (each of (i)-(v) hereinafter "Exploration Vehicles") .
2. Every nation shall have the right to launch, maintain and do all such other things reasonably necessary to enable its Exploration Vehicles to accomplish its stated goal of furthering Space exploration.
3. No nation shall have the right to interfere with any other nation's Exploration Vehicles, or share such technology with another nation for such purpose, provided however, the such shall not be the case if such Exploration Vehicles (i) pose a clear and present danger to such country or (ii) are actively preventing such country from developing its own Exploration Vehicles (provided that the affected country has first attempted to consult the offending country and resolve such matters peaceably).
4. Each nation may develop satellites and other such vehicles as such country may deem appropriate for use in surveillance and related enterprises, subject in all cases however, to resolution three above.
5. Each nation may cooperate with any other nation or group of nations to further Space exploration and the development of Exploration Vehicles, subject in all cases to resolution three above.

Aside from banning nations from attacking EVs, what does this actually do? All of this is already met, or surpassed, by a good portion of the assembly's membership.

In fact this resolution does nothing because member states already have all of these rights and do not need the w.a. to confer them upon them.

yours e.t.c. ,

Strength: Significant
I've got to admit, this feels like it's struggling a bit to make it to Significant, given that all it does it forbid shooting up Exploration Vehicles unless they're a clear and present danger or won't get out of your way.

REALIZING that the exploration of space, including but not limited to outer space, near earth orbit and other planets (hereinafter "Space") and the development of such technologies to enable Space exploration and development is the right of all nations.
Um. A really good idea? Yes it probably is. A right? No. You're going to have to work a lot harder to convince me of this.

REALIZING that in order promote such exploration and development it is imperative the each nation be allowed to develop peaceful Space exploration programs without undue interference or impairment by other nations
Fine.

Notes: This bill will seek to outlaw space offensive weapons but allow the development of spy satellites provided that they carry ONLY defensive measures for the protection of said countries property.
This earns my opposition. Footnotes, asides and scribbles in the margin have no place in law. Particularly when what the footnote claims and what the resolution does are entirely different.

Well I would say that the attempt here is to try to level the playing field for all nations so that space does not become another theater of war and conquest. If there are nations out there that can destroy life from space why not seek to make it illegal to carry offensive weapons into space?

Um... What about the ones not WA members? In space, I mean. What would this ban do to... relations with them?

Temporary Diplomat Asuka Felna

Is this really the Assemblies highest priority right now? Have we, in less than two-dozen resolutions, truthfully eliminated poverty and disease to the extent that we have no better resolutions to pass other one that does nothing but deny space-faring nations the right to wge war? The Cantrian delegation thinks not, especially given we've yet to even outlaw slavery!

we of Axmanland oppose this measure for the same reason we oppose any measure aimed at "declawing the WA"

we of the WA do not exist in isolation from the rest of the world and as such if we are unable to produce space borne weapons while the "uncivilized" nations of the world are free to produce any number of satellites loaded down with atomic destruction it will permanently alter the finely balanced nature of M.A.D and lead inevitably to thermonuclear Armageddon.

is that what you want........cos that's what will happen..

I understand the points being made. Surely I cant argue that slavery is more important but look at what is on the list of proposals at the moment. Every other day there is a proposal about marijuana, ban on tree cutting, or something to that effect and also nothing but the living wage act, which is supported by our region nations, has any kind of support behind it at the moment.

Surely we could act to improve this bill but to dismiss the issue all together?? Space weaponary is a threat to all nations and this region feels it will help to regulate space.This does allow for the deployment of defensive measures in space to protect our intrests and country.

what can we do to strengthen this measure?

but you fail to take into account one basic principle

the only thing that will stop a non WA member using space based laser/nuke/microwave weapons on a WA member is for that non WA state to know that if it does the same will happen to it!

there is NO "defensive measure" that will intercept 100% of space based arms so my best course of action is to rely on M.A.D doctrine and game theory.

you poor misguided naive fools think banning weapons will make us safe you act as if we WA members live on a separate world from ruthless non WA states who wouldn't think twice about bombarding your capital city with microwaves killing thousands.
but we don't, we live cheek by jowl with them and this bill will make your people that much more vulnerable to anhilation

if you wish to expose your people to such risks go ahead, but i for one will not put my brave people in harms way

I understand the points being made. Surely I cant argue that slavery is more important but look at what is on the list of proposals at the moment. Every other day there is a proposal about marijuana, ban on tree cutting, or something to that effect and also nothing but the living wage act, which is supported by our region nations, has any kind of support behind it at the moment.

Surely we could act to improve this bill but to dismiss the issue all together?? Space weaponary is a threat to all nations and this region feels it will help to regulate space.This does allow for the deployment of defensive measures in space to protect our intrests and country.

what can we do to strengthen this measure?

Assembly laws do not apply to nonassembly nations. Can you guarantee a nonmember nation won't, as they say, nuke your nation to the stone age from orbit after this passes?

Assembly laws do not apply to nonassembly nations. Can you guarantee a nonmember nation won't, as they say, nuke your nation to the stone age from orbit after this passes?

No law passed in the WA assembly is going to guarantee anything against a non WA nation. If they wanted to blow my nation up, already have the technology to do it, and are a non WA nation, then what law can possibly pass in the WA to protect our nation?

No law passed in the WA assembly is going to guarantee anything against a non WA nation. If they wanted to blow my nation up, already have the technology to do it, and are a non WA nation, then what law can possibly pass in the WA to protect our nation?

I would personally think you shouldn't pass a law that removes your capacity to ever fire back and hope to do any damage to begin with.

#3 allows for the defense of your country and property if there is a clear and present danger. This bill doesnt say you cant fire back and allow for defensive weapons on all space vehicles.

Given the population of the NS world and the fact that it seems to suffer no adverse effects from overpopulation problems, the planet on which our nations exist must be about the size of the sun. Is space travel even feasible with that kind of gravity?

It only allows firing at exploration vehicles, not interplanetary heavy assault cruisers, interplanetary battleships, or the like.

If this passes, would I have to turn in my keys to the old Cluichistani Death Star?

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

1. Every nation shall be able to develop (i) space vehicles (ii) space stations (iii) planetary bases (iv) satellites (both spy and research ) and (v) other such vehicles and habitats as may be conducive to the further exploration and development of space (each of (i)-(v) hereinafter "Exploration Vehicles") .

I think that would cover all space traveling units such as interplanetary battlecruisers and any other unit that travels in space?

Excuse me for this, but #1 is a clause that does nothing, since all of that is allowed right now anyway.

the main problem is that "defensive measures" aren't going to stop a non-WA member from nuking me to the stone age with his space based nukes

however MY space based nukes aimed at his country are 100% guaranteed to turn his state into volcanic glass if he launches

you tell me of a "defensive measure" that is going to discourage said non-WA members WHO ARE NOT BOUND BY OUR LAWS AND WILL STILL HAVE SPACE BASED WMD'S quite as much as a bunch of hundred megaton MIRV's landing in his rose garden .......cos i cant think of one