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Let's give Captain Ahab his last rites and let all the Moby Dicks swim free.

The Republic of Collectivity has a proposal at the World Assembly to put an immediate ban on whaling. Could all you lovers of marine mammals endorse this and we'll have a Nation States free of whale slaughtering.
Love , Peace and Good Vibes,
Collectivity

Whales are still being hunted by a small number of countries who slaughter them with harpoons - causing them to die in agony. Sometimes mothers are slaughtered leaving their calves to starve to death.

Countries are tolerating a "compromise" which affixes a quota on specific species of whales that can be killed for "scientific purposes". This is sheer hypocrisy as whaling is a commercial enterprise - the slaughtered whales are sold as whale meat.

We the world assembly delegates insist on a complete and permanent ban on whaling in all waters of the world.

Approvals: 24 (Jimmy Hart, Golugan, Benedictinople, Them BOnes, Farrol, Alapati, Misplaced States, Wierd Anarchists, New Hamilton, The Land of Nephi-Lehi, Ventei, Floreria, Adinsx, Rome of the Balkans, Dragonia Star, RedWalesCymru, Smotheria, Txiniamagna, Soteria-14, Mstead, The Artic Republics, Chazzistan, Hathartia, Barrun Urt)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 73 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Sat Sep 13 2008

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Oh God no! For crying out loud.,please, no! Not this shit again! Please kill it! Kill it now! Use that...yes, the lump mallet. Okay, use the sledge hammer, whatever, just kill it! Somebody help him! You! Yes, you with the cricket bat! Get stuck in! And you too, with your marlin spike! Anyone got a gun? You do?! Excellent, go get it!

*Cough*
We see no reason why whales need singling out for protection. Are we to see a spate of resolutions banning the killing of marmosets, badgers, fur seals, gnomes, goats, tigers, beavers, honey monsters, pigs, parrots, bees, jellyfish, rhinocerouses, octopuses, voles, eagles, mice, ibyxes, alpacas, yaks, donkeys, jackals, polecats, turtles, rooks, ladybirds, llamas, gazelle, ants, emu, guanacos, hyenas...I could go on...

Because, Cobdenia and any other overly skeptical poster, "It is better to light one candle than to curse the darkness"
And anyone who wants to save baby harp seals, turtles etc - I'm all for it. Where do I sign?

In your post signature you mentioned that you like rabbits. Well all you Governor Palins out there - shoot 'em up boys and gals. In Australia they are an introduced species who are widely considered a pest and destroy grasslands.
But cetaceans....no....spare the cetaceans. They're big and beautiful....and they sing

This is NationStates, not the Real World. Governor Palin, Australia, and the 'compromise' your proposal alludes to do not exist. The reference guide (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=490188) and proposal rules (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=420465) are good places to start, though I haven't the slightest hope that you will a) read them, b) still be posting on this forum ten days from now, nor c) fail to respond to this post with something equally unintelligible.

Even if I was a delegate, I'm frankly unlikely to endorse a proposal that consists of twenty active words and a whole lot of emotional blackmail.

Well boys, it's your ocean too I guess.

I just think that it would be nice to have somewhere on this planet where maniacs with guns and harpoons weren't allowed to blast away at sensitive, intelligent life.

Yuoo vuoold depreefe-a zee vurld ooff zee ooppurtooneety tu injuy my bloobber ice-a creem? Fur sheme-a. Bork Bork Bork!

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Sven
Bob Flibble's personal chef

This is NationStates, not the Real World. Governor Palin, Australia, and the 'compromise' your proposal alludes to do not exist.
While this isn't enough of a Real World violation for the mods (i.e. me) to delete the proposal over, it's an entirely valid argument. If/when this fails and you repost it, you should incorporate some of the comments and get rid of stuff that the WA Regulars (you know, the ones who have successfully passed resolutions) suggest.

I'm frankly unlikely to endorse a proposal that consists of twenty active words and a whole lot of emotional blackmail.
Again, not enough to delete over the "we make laws, not essays" portion of the rules, but a valid complaint.

I just think that it would be nice to have somewhere on this planet where maniacs with guns and harpoons weren't allowed to blast away at sensitive, intelligent life.

You do realize that nothing in your proposal will prevent the 57,000 non-WA nations from blasting away even in your protected waters, right?

If you want to pass this, come in here and ask for help. That's more likely to get you votes than off-hand comments that assume that your opponents are more against whales than against bad legislation.

Hey! The WA is just like the UN - full of apathists, smarty pantses, do-nothing cynics and guys who like to legalise the time away while not doing very much in particular.

Its not the "emotional blackmail" that should concern you but the emotionless white males.

Meanwhile the whales of Nation states and probably this motion, sink to the watery depths without a trace.

Well boys, it's your ocean too I guess.

In our territorial waters, yes, it is! And I'm not a boy.

I just think that it would be nice to have somewhere on this planet where maniacs with guns and harpoons weren't allowed to blast away at sensitive, intelligent life.

You can do that all you like in your waters, not ours. The Trilateral Federation will not support any proposal to ban whaling.

Irina Misheli, Deputy Ambassador

Because, Cobdenia and any other overly skeptical poster, "It is better to light one candle than to curse the darkness"Some people would rather light a candle than curse the darkness... they make easy targets for the rest of us.


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Doctor Denis Leary
Ambassador to the WA
The Federated Technocratic Oligarchy of the Most Glorious Hack

Dear Frisbeeteria,
The community of Collectivity would welcome the assistance and advice of all who would like to see an end to whaling in Nation States borders.
Also, the community of Collectivity hopes that no interested nations have been deterred by "emotionless white males" cracks or references to "boys".
Any resemblance to any persons was wholly unintentional "Yada, yada!" (Sub para 4 section 13):hail:

Good grief! this resolution is completely nonesensical. It makes references to people and things we are totally unfamiliar with, apparently its aim is to end the hunting of cetaceans and yet it is constituent in no more than a couple of lines of sloganising.

We imagine that the stranger's bar had brisk trade last night and that somewhere in the sweepings of its floor there is the knapkin upon which the first draft of this resolution was written. It having been lost we presume the authors of this resolution thought they could remember the gist and so they jotted down what little their gin soaked minds could recall.

To companion this is what appears to be some very unsavoury glee at the death of a doubtless much loved and greatly mourned sea captain, references to the granting of swimming rights to an individual with a most unfortunate name, and highly dubious appeals to the sympathies of persons who engage in what can only be described as impractical, dangerous and depraved sexual practices with marine mammalia!?

In any case we would not support a ban on whaling ( if this resolution seriously wishes to do that, and is not a sick practical joke) and certainly we would never support this ban.

We urge the authors of this resolution to seek psychiatric assistance both for their unspeakable carnal appetites and for what we must assume to be their crippling addiction to alcohol. We sincerely hope that they find solace elsewhere than in the grip of cold wet flippers and intoxicating liquor. If they are unable to find the requisite professional care they so sorely need, Urgench's world famous addiction treatment clinics will certainly be made available to them.

Yours in concern,

Get your hand off it Urgenech!
Just because I support the continued existence of SPERM whales doesn't mean I have to endure your wanking!

Who or what, respected Ambassador, is " Urgenech" and what are you requiring they remove their hand from?

Are we to presume that the respected Ambassador is currently "three sheets to the wind" as they say? And that this is the cause of their exclamations?

yours e.t.c.,

Maybe I am maybe I'm not. Maybe I did misspell your name - but if you are going to disrespect me then why should I do any different to you?

Goodness we certainly never meant any disrespect, respected Ambassador, that would be unconscionable. Please accept our apologies if our dismay at the proposal your honoured delegacy put before the w.a. and the obvious psychic distress of its authors seemed to constitute disrespect.

yours in sincerity,

Thank you Urgench,
Your elegant apologies are most gratefully received and may our two great lands bask in the golden glow of mutual tolerance and peace for ever more.
We have subsequently ordered our navy and air force to stand down from Red Alert as any hostilities with our great neighbour Urgench would be unconscionable.

Which whale?

M.R.S.

Thank you Urgench,
Your elegant apologies are most gratefully received and may our two great lands bask in the golden glow of mutual tolerance and peace for ever more.
We have subsequently ordered our navy and air force to stand down from Red Alert as any hostilities with our great neighbour Urgench would be unconscionable.


We are gratified the honoured Ambassador thinks so.


yours in sincerity,

We're halfway there whale lovers. 50 more delegates will get this motion discussed. The lawyers think it's a crappy motion. Well great! "What do you call 50 lawyers chained together at the bottom of the ocean?"
Answer: "A good start!"
If you're a delegate then endorse the motion! If you are not a delegate, then urge your delegate to do so.

If you can post an intelligent resolution consisting more that a sentence, I'm sure there are many people and delegates who will be willing to read it and decide for themselve. As it stand now this resolution need a lot of retooling to be considered.
You should also include exemption for native and scientific whaling with quota for each country. Also regulate whale fishing method to ban inhuman & crual whaling.
I'm sure there are many other points you can include without going to total ban.

We would urge delegates not to approve this resolution in the strongest possible terms.

It is appalling, it is a couple of lines long, it is meaningless, it constitutes nothing more than a slogan written into law, it is an insult to the legislative dignity of this organistion and should be nothing but a source of embarassment to its authors.

To allow this resolution to reach quorum and to treat it with same dignity as other statutes which have taken great effort over extended time periods on the part of sometimes several dilligent delegacies and their colleagues would be to make the World Assembly a laughing stock and a by word for idiocy.

yours e.t.c. ,

Please o trainee law students - enough with the hyperbolic ranting (Alack! Alay! Some ignoramus has a blunt and to the point resolution that doesn't have all sorts of hithertos etc)
What's wrong o law students - afraid you won't get your commissions?
I certainly would not support scietific research o maple leaf! We know where that leads to - sushi restaurants!
As for native rights on this one - nuh! Let's not kid ourselves here. It's commercial whalers who are doing the whaling. And it is commercial companies that kill baby harp seals for their fur.
Why are so many of you hiding behind quibbles? It's so simple! Ban all whaling .....this does not of course, include the putting out of misery very sick, starving or beached whales.

By all means discuss a counter proposal that might be better - just don't try to sneer . It's very undergrad and I'll tell the Dean on you!

O.O.C. Ok your annoying me now, and i don't like having to make this comment out of character but i am so.... Seriously who are you refering to with this whole trainee lawyer crap? the point Mongkha is perfectly legitimately making ( and you know it ) is that your resolution is a pathetic insult to other players who spend time and energy on trying to fashion logical and legal resolutions which cover their topics comprehensively and not in terms one could fit on a placard.

You've had advice to go and look up passed resolution to get a feel of what's expected so take it and come back with something worth reading.

As it is your resolution doesn't even define what "whaling" is, this means that your resolution bans diddly squat.

Put some thought in to stuff and stop trying to score juvenile points.


U.

Okay U - you try to do better. It would be good to see you do something constructive. So far, I haven't actually seen you propose diddly squat.
Go for it! If I agree, I'll support it.

Okay U - you try to do better. It would be good to see you do something constructive. So far, I haven't actually seen you propose diddly squat.
Go for it! If I agree, I'll support it.

The honorable ambassador from Urgench is currently co-authoring a proposal with me. I suppose that just threw your comments out then considering he is doing something constructive as you put it.

As for this proposal on banning whaling, Rutianas will not be supporting it. As much as we despise whaling, we refuse to support a poorly written proposal. Do a little work on it, define whaling, and lay down exactly what you wish to accomplish, and we might support it.

By all means Rutianas draw up a proposal. Good luck with it.
I am more an activist than a legislator - and I hope that your part of Texas is okay.
Ike is one big hurricane!

I hope that we can all make this world a safer place

By all means Rutianas draw up a proposal. Good luck with it.
I am more an activist than a legislator - and I hope that your part of Texas is okay.
Ike is one big hurricane!

I hope that we can all make this world a safer place

The Child Protection Act (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=565606) is the proposal that both Urgench and myself are writing.

ooc: Ike missed me by about 90 miles. Just have strong winds here, probably about 40 mile an hour gusts. Haven't checked to see for certain.

The Binarian Ambassador to the World assembly can not agree more. If we kill all the whales, there won't be any left for our children to nuke. If you care, save a whale today, so you can nuke it tomorrow.

Yes 007, I can see the twisted logic of that.
Perhaps the next campaign will be "Save the sick puppy" and we'll all try to help.

O.O.C. Ok your annoying me now,

OOC: Annoying? I'd go so far as to call it borderline flaming.

Hey Flibbelites! Urgench can look after himself believe me! He's lord of the Mongol Horde after all. But feel free to chat...... would you like to help in saving the whales of Nation states?
If thirty more delegates sign up the proposal has legs and will walk (which is more than what whales can do!)

I've seen your proposal, it's nothing but emotional clap trap with a borderline RL reference thrown in for good measure. I see no problem with saving endangered species, heck I supported the old UNCoESB (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9692854&postcount=120), but your proposal is no UNCoESB.

Bob Flibble
WA Representatives

Hey Flibbelites! Urgench can look after himself believe me! He's lord of the Mongol Horde after all. But feel free to chat...... would you like to help in saving the whales of Nation states?
If thirty more delegates sign up the proposal has legs and will walk (which is more than what whales can do!)


For the purpose of clarity we should be point out that his Excellency Mongkha Khan of Kashgar is not "lord of the Mongol Horde". He is a lesser Khan who's family have a long and distinguished record of service in the Imperial Horde of Urgench, and who is very close with his cousin his Divine Majesty the Emperor. Khan Mongkha has himself never served in the Imperial Horde.

yours e.t.c.,

Yes 007, I can see the twisted logic of that.
Perhaps the next campaign will be "Save the sick puppy" and we'll all try to help.

Screw the whales. There are Billions of mouths to feed across the world, and whales are large hunk of floating meat.... Do the math. Whales, or people. Pick one.

Screw the whales. There are Billions of mouths to feed across the world, and whales are large hunk of floating meat.... Do the math. Whales, or people. Pick one.

I prefefer HUMANITIES to the Math, Binary. I have a different moral code than the Binary Code.
I may eat meat - but nothing bigger than cow.
You are of course entitled to your opinion.

And flib I'm glad you like humanitarian causes even if you don't support mine.
But hey! what does it matter, really? We are living in an unreal world. I'm doing my job in this construct and I'm spreading the word. What does it matter except to motivate individuals? That's all we have - our individual strengths that we can sometimes meld into COLLECTIVE power. Then our glorious hordes can gallop o'er the steppes of liberation!
I've been "trash talked" to by experts and I have yet to see an expert on this site - although many of you have done plenty of dissing to a new kid on the block.
Only 26 more votes and SAVE the Whale gets its quota, guys.
In the immortal words of that lunatic dictator "You're either with us or against us!"'

"I get knocked down, but I get up again!
Nobody's gonna keep me down!"

Love, Peace and Free Cetaceans
The Community of Collectivity:fluffle:

I prefefer HUMANITIES to the Math, Binary. I have a different moral code than the Binary Code.
I may eat meat - but nothing bigger than cow.
You are of course entitled to your opinion.

And flib I'm glad you like humanitarian causes even if you don't support mine.
But hey! what does it matter, really? We are living in an unreal world. I'm doing my job in this construct and I'm spreading the word. What does it matter except to motivate individuals? That's all we have - our individual strengths that we can sometimes meld into COLLECTIVE power. Then our glorious hordes can gallop o'er the steppes of liberation!
I've been "trash talked" to by experts and I have yet to see an expert on this site - although many of you have done plenty of dissing to a new kid on the block.
Only 26 more votes and SAVE the Whale gets its quota, guys.
In the immortal words of that lunatic dictator "You're either with us or against us!"'

"I get knocked down, but I get up again!
Nobody's gonna keep me down!"

Love, Peace and Free Cetaceans
The Community of Collectivity:fluffle:

lolwut?

fail.

Binary, you must clearly believe that you were put on this earth to irritate others.

Maybe when you get older and wiser you may learn that you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.

Collectivity's whale-saving motion did not reach a quorum - about 71 delegates voted to put it before the WA. Now I copped a lot of crap from everybody else who posted on this thread - yes everybody.
And it says a lot about Nation States induction that even moderators have to feel the need to put new kids on the block down. (Watch this for other "newbies", fellers because you guys have a fair bit of weight to throw around - so use it more carefully).

Collectivity does not feel a sense of failure. The liberation struggle is an eternal one where mundane indicators of wins and losses are a mere abstraction.
To fight is to win. In the words of Redgum (an Aussie band in the 80s and 90s), "If you don't fight you lose."

Collectivity would like to thank the 71 delegates who voted for the resolution and to thank all the posters on this thread for their advice - even if it did come with condescending remarks.
And in the words of the Terminator - "I'll be back!"

Meanwhile here is some Aussie humour to entertain you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_veIGGP1Uh4

Just think of all the whales that'll be saved by this resolution. All none of them.

Seriously, if I can think of half a dozen ways around this excuse for legislation without seriously trying, it's going to have pretty much no effect on whaling. Try reading through the old resolutions on whaling and why they got repealed, and your next effort might get more support. Might. With your current idea of diplomacy it probably won't, but hey, pigs do fly if you throw them hard enough.

It is better to light one candle than to curse the darkness

I light my candles via whale oil. If this were to pass, we'd buy our whale meat from the non-prohibited nonmember nations.

If anybody here is hungry, I'll give send in a couple of cases of Palentine's Best Tuna with genuine porpoise and orca filler(TM). Its another product offered by that great company WhaleCo, a name you can trust.

Hey Bob! If this comes up for vote, you need to bring in that chef of yours for another Whale cookoff. My Empress has a Jagermonster chef ready to take him on.

Excelsior,
Sen. Horatio Sulla

VL'ian POP (Plain Ordinary Person - A Governmental group set up for the plebs involvement in what was decided by Venerable Libertarian Government with regard to WA procedings) Candace Joppleburg, Steps up to the mic, Baron Rothschild Von Bleuth, Current Ambassador to the WA standing sentry behind the nervous mother of 5.
"Greetings Fellow WA'ers.
As a busy house wife, and full time mom there is little time for the degenerating discussions of the World Assembly but we in the fine Oligarchy of Venerable Libertarians have a strong history of not stepping on the rights of a nation to protect or utilise the species of creature they wish to kill or not kill. As a result of our fine heritage of trying to find compromise and a middle ground we would respectfully submit to this fine assembly that the resolution to satisfactorily conjoin a Kennyite with a Love of Estereler actually existed in the form of NSUN resolution #119 "UNCoESB (United Nations Consevation of Species Bill).
Perhaps a revisit to that text would be a possible way to marry the concerns of the most fervent of our Fluffies and the most obstinate of our Sovereigntists ?
The bill would allow for species to actually be hunted as long as measures were taken to ensure the conservation of the species in question and would surely create a common ground for all our members. Also it would not just apply to a single species but to all the wild life that roam freely or otherwise in our beautiful nations and their seas and skys, while ensuring that our children do not go hungry with an appreciation for the very animals they devour or do not devour. "

The Housewife sat down, Von Bleuth clapping inanely in support.