Please help me help someone else...
Michael Dutton
10-09-2008, 21:13
Support The Constitutional Monarchy of Magicemblome's proposal in the World Assembly to provide free education to everyone under the age of 16. Voting ends soon and we need votes! Help restore the nations within the World Assembly by providing the one of the few things that can never be stolen; Education.
PLEASE VOTE!!
Rutianas
10-09-2008, 21:28
First, the voting ends on saturday.
Second, it's optional. It just encourages. It doesn't enforce. Therefore, according to the rules of proposals, this appears to be an illegal proposal as it is only optional.
Third, I will not endorse what I believe to be an illegal proposal.
Gobbannaen WA Mission
11-09-2008, 00:57
Support The Constitutional Monarchy of Magicemblome's proposal in the World Assembly to provide free education to everyone under the age of 16.[snip]
It's considered polite to post the text of a proposal you're pimping. I can see why you'd be embarrassed to in this case; unfortunately for you I'm not.
Category: Human Rights
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Magicemblome
Description: The WA RECOGNIZES the WA Members right to sovereignty.
HOWEVER it encourages WA Members to give every child, in their nation, under the age of 16 the right to a free education.
Second, it's optional. It just encourages. It doesn't enforce. Therefore, according to the rules of proposals, this appears to be an illegal proposal as it is only optional.
Er, no, that's not what the optionality clause means. A proposal is perfectly entitled to just encourage nations to do things. It may be as much use as a chocolate tea-pot, but it's not illegal for that reason as I understand it.
It is, however, illegal on two more blinding obvious counts. First, it's a strength violation: something which doesn't force anything is definitely not Significant. Second, it's a category violation; it should be under Education, not Human Rights.
Sorry, Michael Dutton, you'll have to try again. Personally I'd vote against it if all you did was fix the category because it would be worse than useless. It would actually stop any proposal that might do some good from being legal, and that's not a good thing at all.
Rutianas
11-09-2008, 01:35
Er, no, that's not what the optionality clause means. A proposal is perfectly entitled to just encourage nations to do things. It may be as much use as a chocolate tea-pot, but it's not illegal for that reason as I understand it.
It is, however, illegal on two more blinding obvious counts. First, it's a strength violation: something which doesn't force anything is definitely not Significant. Second, it's a category violation; it should be under Education, not Human Rights.
Ahh, okay. I knew it was illegal in some way, I just didn't see those other two. :p
Gobbannaen WA Mission
11-09-2008, 02:19
Ahh, okay. I knew it was illegal in some way, I just didn't see those other two. :p
Eh, I could be wrong about the optionality. Certainly with only the one clause it's riding a lot closer to the line than most resolutions, but hey. It's illegal anyway, so I'm not going to fuss over it.
Frisbeeteria
11-09-2008, 02:35
Eh, I could be wrong about the optionality.
You are. The optionality clause allows nations to ignore a mandated effect ("Guns are illegal, unless you already have national laws that allow them"), or allows only nations that meet certain criteria ("The resolution converts all monarchies to dictatorships") to be affected in the first place.
The other two are sufficient to kill it.