NationStates Jolt Archive

Krankor you are right. Why should we be bothered with the brat 's problems when they do no work and force us to pay for their education and welfare.

Think about it this way, when you're old and grey, those "brats" are going to decide what old folk's home you'll end up in.

Timothy Schmidt
Bob Flibble's PA

Think about it this way, when you're old and grey, those "brats" are going to decide what old folk's home you'll end up in.

Timothy Schmidt
Bob Flibble's PA
Nope because my children along with the children of all the party members in power and His Oh Mighty and Benevolent Fearless Leader get the best, but then that is because it is a privilege of position.

Meddling brats! Why should we protect them? Let them go back to shining shoes!

Because if we do not protect them then one day they will not protect us!

Yes there will come a day, when you are old and gray, and those youths will have their say, and oh boy will you pay!

(My father would have probably suggested something with molten lead; he always fancied molten lead or boiling oil; nothing beats getting covered in a panco crust and then being thrown into boiling oil for entertainment value.)

Sincerely;
The Mikado of Tipu, Tzorsland

Because if we do not protect them then one day they will not protect us!

Yes there will come a day, when you are old and gray, and those youths will have their say, and oh boy will you pay!

(My father would have probably suggested something with molten lead; he always fancied molten lead or boiling oil; nothing beats getting covered in a panco crust and then being thrown into boiling oil for entertainment value.)

Sincerely;
The Mikado of Tipu, Tzorsland
Your father was a great man, but while we need to protect them, they take and take and have yet to give. :tongue:

We would like to note that the ambassador from Michael Toth was once one of those "meddlesome brats" and thus, by their very argument, is not deserving of the protections they currently enjoy, since they once "took and had yet to give."

We also propose that the ambassador from Michael Toth, to punish them for their impudence in saying they deserve protection and the young in their nation do not when they themselves were once young, should be tossed into a volcano. We, in our infinite capacity for charity, are willing to supply the volcano. We will even cover the travel costs of getting said ambassador to said volcano.

We are, of course, willing to withdraw our proposal if the ambassador from Michael Toth is willing to recognize the precariousness of their position and accept that children may not necessarily give back today, but they will give back in the future. Thus, the ambassador's investment in children is repaid later on, usually when those children are deciding whether or not to keep the current government or simply destroy it and everyone it represents... probably while looking over a nice, shiny shipment of weapons we may or may not have sent them at that time to help in case they decide to deal with the elder generation through the more expedient solution.

We would like to note that the ambassador from Michael Toth was once one of those "meddlesome brats" and thus, by their very argument, is not deserving of the protections they currently enjoy, since they once "took and had yet to give."

We also propose that the ambassador from Michael Toth, to punish them for their impudence in saying they deserve protection and the young in their nation do not when they themselves were once young, should be tossed into a volcano. We, in our infinite capacity for charity, are willing to supply the volcano. We will even cover the travel costs of getting said ambassador to said volcano.

We are, of course, willing to withdraw our proposal if the ambassador from Michael Toth is willing to recognize the precariousness of their position and accept that children may not necessarily give back today, but they will give back in the future. Thus, the ambassador's investment in children is repaid later on, usually when those children are deciding whether or not to keep the current government or simply destroy it and everyone it represents... probably while looking over a nice, shiny shipment of weapons we may or may not have sent them at that time to help in case they decide to deal with the elder generation through the more expedient solution.
I seem to remember that I was working in a mine from age five to age 15 when I managed to get out by luck with 5 others. We traveled around for 6 years until we met another brother in arms. Today that person is the Leader of our country and the original six is the party. No one protected us and we are fine for it.

Our mental health experts would like to disagree. For one thing, we are sure that working in a mine like that limited your educational opportunities. A lack of education in the right areas further limited your capacity to add onto your nation as adults, which means your total lives involve you actually giving less to the nation from your work than if you had spent that time in educational studies and entered the workforce with more knowledge, along with the accompanying skills, to contribute.

And keep in mind that is based off of economic studies that led to the setup of our nation over two hundred years ago. With the further advancements of science within that time, the divergence between the two only grows, with an educated guess putting your capacity to contribute to your nation to be at less than that of what a fifteen year old from our own could. The people in our nation have better access to education, which means they develop more skills that are beneficial to the nation, thus allowing them to pay back far more to society than the investment in raising them.

From a simple economics standpoint, we've found that children who have a childhood that this resolution supports often have far more worth that they can contribute to the society. Since they are more skilled and more mentally sound, they are far better able to work, far better able to provide useful ideas your economy and your government can use, and (just as importantly) are far less likely to revolt against your government. The system of your childhood led seven children to becoming the rulers of your nation... and who knows how much potential has been left unexploited by your nation simply because you haven't developed it. And the best part is, the general feeling of goodwill towards your government, specifically those currently in power, only increases your personal power and the chances you have of putting down and rebellions.

If you want, we can send you the relevant information for setting up your nation in such a way that you exploit the potential of your workforce to the maximum, all the while having them thank you for the exploitation and the setup. And while there's a lot of front-end investment, our overall net gain from it is at least twenty times the investment. And while it appears you're giving up a lot of power, in reality you're cementing your position to the point it becomes unassailable.

I worked in the mine only for 12 hours a day, plenty of time left over for education from the TEACHER. They did plan to sell us at 18 as skilled and educated laborers. Oh and the people do thank me and my partners for what do, or the Privet Police pick them up and we never see them again until the monthly punishment gatherings.

Yeah, when you were typically too tired to deal with any proper education.

In any case, we find your practices related to your people to be morally reprehensible, and will enjoy watching the inevitable revolution that overthrows your government.

Yeah, when you were typically too tired to deal with any proper education.

You know, the lack of proper education probably explains much of the Tothian stance on this resolution. Pity, that. However, if you still have a volcano handy, there's no need to worry about travel costs for the Tothian ambassador. We have a strategic defenestrator here that should get him to the volcano quite nicely, and for free! Just load him into it, point and shoot. You may want to toss the Krankor rep in there after the Tothian one's been sent to his, er, destination.

-Jaris Krytellin, Ambassador

Just a question about the terms "child" and "adult"... (Referring only to the sexual abuse section of this resolution..)

What if say the legal age in a country were 18, and a couple who were sexually active when both parties were 17 continued to do so after one of them turned 18... despite the fact that the other was only months or even weeks younger?

Is there a way to "bend" the law in such cases?

Will somebody please stop feeding the trolls. If we don't feed them, they will go away.

Excelsior,
Sen. Horatio Sulla

Just a question about the terms "child" and "adult"... (Referring only to the sexual abuse section of this resolution..)

What if say the legal age in a country were 18, and a couple who were sexually active when both parties were 17 continued to do so after one of them turned 18... despite the fact that the other was only months or even weeks younger?

Is there a way to "bend" the law in such cases?

We have to wonder about thatone ourselves. Unfortunately, it is one of those circumstances which cannot be fully accounted for. In the end, we can only hope the couple is smart enough not to get caught or they're willing to wait.

Just a question about the terms "child" and "adult"... (Referring only to the sexual abuse section of this resolution..)

What if say the legal age in a country were 18, and a couple who were sexually active when both parties were 17 continued to do so after one of them turned 18... despite the fact that the other was only months or even weeks younger?

Is there a way to "bend" the law in such cases?



Strictly speaking the persons involved in such a situation would be best advised to wait untill both were of age but good jurisprudence should always prevail when interpreting and applying all laws, national or international.

yours e.t.c ,

Just a question about the terms "child" and "adult"... (Referring only to the sexual abuse section of this resolution..)

What if say the legal age in a country were 18, and a couple who were sexually active when both parties were 17 continued to do so after one of them turned 18... despite the fact that the other was only months or even weeks younger?

Is there a way to "bend" the law in such cases?
Yes. You don't have to define a single Age of Consent, after all. You can define it as "18, or no more than twelve months younger than the other member of the couple if the other member of the couple is 18 or more." That leaves threesomes and moresomes a bit stuffed, but most consent legislation can't cope with them anyway.

Yes. You don't have to define a single Age of Consent, after all. You can define it as "18, or no more than twelve months younger than the other member of the couple if the other member of the couple is 18 or more." That leaves threesomes and moresomes a bit stuffed, but most consent legislation can't cope with them anyway.

Not really. Just word it "18, or no more than twelve months younger than the other member(s) of the couple or group of lovers if the other member(s) of the couple or group of lovers is 18 or more."

Make it "oldest" rather than "other" and I think you have a winner!

This is totally bonkers. Our children need dicipline.

Make it "oldest" rather than "other" and I think you have a winner!

Thanks. By the way: We may be passing that as part of a marriage reform law within our own nation. There are some who feel the WA does not go far enough.

In response to your post,

I must say I am rather dissapointed at your stand. Is the world supposed to stand by and watch as children are raped and abused in countries where there are no legal protections for children ? Are we supposed to let human injustices tyat are as blatant and disgusting as that to take place in our own backdoor ? The line between human and worse must be drawn always. To accept and let other nations continue to practice such disgusting practices is undeniably wrong. To say that a nation must be free from international intervention in such cases, is an argument used more often by those who themselves seek to continue such abhorrent practices or discriminate against basic rights of fellow humans. To deny appropriate levels of protection and rights to every individual, is to take a step back to the times when we, human were as bad as apes, if one is to believe in the evolution theory. Even if one believes in the creationist theory, to not protect our fellow humans from such practices is surely worse tha what we humans have been put on this earth for. For surely, if one believes in a God, surely the God will not want children to be raped and abused on a daily basis in stubborn and corrupt and morally degraded nations.

Then You good sir, will have to come and argue with my region. I neither value, nor acknowledge your opinion. As all you seem capable of doing is, spouting emotional rants on the subject matter. Simply because a majority in my region, believe this is more of a matter for; a nation to decide not a world government, does not mean they condone nor practice any acts in the aforementioned emotional morals rant. In fact you might be surprised that many of them have very strict laws on the matter. We suggest you think before you insult.

I registered the vote I was delegated to register, by a democratic vote.

Thank you
Wencee~

Then You good sir, will have to come and argue with my region. I neither value, nor acknowledge your opinion. As all you seem capable of doing is, spouting emotional rants on the subject matter. Simply because a majority in my region, believe this is more of a matter for; a nation to decide not a world government, does not mean they condone nor practice any acts in the aforementioned emotional morals rant. In fact you might be surprised that many of them have very strict laws on the matter. We suggest you think before you insult.

I registered the vote I was delegated to register, by a democratic vote.

Thank you
Wencee~





It is a shame that the honoured Delegates region does not see that there are aspects of child protection which do transcend national boundaries, and that these are within the perview of the w.a. but we certainly would not wish for their region to feel it had a responsibility towards the children of any other region than its own if they do not wish it.

yours e.t.c. ,

Honorable delegates,

I would like to bypass any discussions about national sovereignty to bring forward an inherent problem with article 1 of the resolution. Due to time constraints, I have not been able to follow the entire discussion, so my apologies if this particular objection was already raised. Article 1 states that "physical abuse of a child under the age of majority is defined as any act which will tend to cause a child physical harm."

This is inherently problematic, since it does not take into account degrees of physical harm inflicted on the child. Regardless what the plight is of children in my nation - as Sith we have our own forms of education which may seem disturbing to those who do not understand the importance of passion rather than peace - it is unthinkable that parents in a country are legally forbidden to use any correction methods which may result in physical harm, no matter the short and temporary nature of this harm (e.g. slap on the wrist). Being a Civil Law country, or judges are, as the French expressed it, "Les bouches de la loi," or the mouths of the law. Their first duty is to pass judgment based on what the law states, without adapting the law to fit more popular beliefs. I realize this is less of a problem in Common Law countries, where physical harm can be further interpreted by the judges themselves. However, even in these countries the wording, especially the use of the word "any (act)" remains ambiguous.

In any case, if this resolution passes, we will be forced to enact further legislation in our Dominion which clarifies what can be seen as "physical harm". We will legislate that "any act which causes physical harm" means "any act which diminishes the passion in the child, thus making it weaker."

The sexual abuse part we have no problems with. There is no power to be gained from sexual abuse of a child, not for the abuser nor for the abused.

May the Force serve you well.

Darth Bellum

Honorable delegates,

I would like to bypass any discussions about national sovereignty to bring forward an inherent problem with article 1 of the resolution. Due to time constraints, I have not been able to follow the entire discussion, so my apologies if this particular objection was already raised. Article 1 states that "physical abuse of a child under the age of majority is defined as any act which will tend to cause a child physical harm."

This is inherently problematic, since it does not take into account degrees of physical harm inflicted on the child. Regardless what the plight is of children in my nation - as Sith we have our own forms of education which may seem disturbing to those who do not understand the importance of passion rather than peace - it is unthinkable that parents in a country are legally forbidden to use any correction methods which may result in physical harm, no matter the short and temporary nature of this harm (e.g. slap on the wrist). Being a Civil Law country, or judges are, as the French expressed it, "Les bouches de la loi," or the mouths of the law. Their first duty is to pass judgment based on what the law states, without adapting the law to fit more popular beliefs. I realize this is less of a problem in Common Law countries, where physical harm can be further interpreted by the judges themselves. However, even in these countries the wording, especially the use of the word "any (act)" remains ambiguous.

In any case, if this resolution passes, we will be forced to enact further legislation in our Dominion which clarifies what can be seen as "physical harm". We will legislate that "any act which causes physical harm" means "any act which diminishes the passion in the child, thus making it weaker."

The sexual abuse part we have no problems with. There is no power to be gained from sexual abuse of a child, not for the abuser nor for the abused.

May the Force serve you well.

Darth Bellum



Well it seems your nation has quite adequately provided for any possible conflict with its customs and laws already, respected Ambassador. We see no reason why your great nation should not vote in the affirmative on this resolution as a result.

yours e.t.c ,

I say we let every nation handle this their own way. Like how we cut of a finger every time a child is harmed.

The government of the Emperor of Urgench wishes to congratulate the honoured and revered delegacy for Rutianas on their very great victory.

May the horde of Rutianas ride swift across the plain and ever to its banner for all time.


yours sincerely,