Right to an Embassy
Khalifistan
29-08-2008, 23:12
Please encourage your region delegate to vote for this proposal!
Right to an Embassy
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.
Category: Human Rights
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Khalifistan
Description: In order to promote international justice, the nations of the World Assembly must
RECOGNIZE that governments may have biased views towards other nations' citizens, especially criminals;
DECLARE that every nation shall be permitted to have an embassy in every other nation, but is not required to; and
REQUIRES every criminal to be allowed to go to their respective embassy before being tried in a foriegn nation.
An embassy shall be DEFINED as an area within a nation that is governed by a foriegn nation in order to give foriegn visitors from that same nation access to anything they may need from their said nation.
We shall RECOGNIZE that a foriegn nation's control does not extend past their respective embassy, and that foriegn criminals shall be tried under the laws of the nation in which their crime was committed,
But the criminals MUST be given access to a lawyer from their nation if they so desire, and if the criminal's home nation feels that the judgement will be decided unfairly, they can DEMAND the punishment to be decided by World Assembly representatives, although the trial shall still be carried out in the way of the accusing nation.
FURTHER, although an embassy is under the control of a foriegn nation, a criminal may not leave the accusing nation through their embassy without the consent of both nations, UNLESS the criminal's home nation feels that they are being held without trial for too long of a time, or being held in illegal conditions, in which case the matter shall go to the authority of the World Assembly.
Omigodtheykilledkenny
29-08-2008, 23:26
While we have no objections to giving foreign criminal suspects the right to meet with consular officials from their home nation, we do recognize that it remains the sovereign right of nations to exercise their own external affairs as they see fit, to recognize other nations diplomatically, and to allow these nations to establish embassies in their own borders. We see no benefit or purpose to forcing member states to accept embassy requests from every foreign power that requests one.
- Jimmy Baca, Deputy Ambassador
Neo Mithral Hall
29-08-2008, 23:27
REQUIRES every criminal to be allowed to go to their respective embassy before being tried in a foriegn nation.
Why would I want someone who committed a crime to be able to go and hide behind their embassies walls and laws? What if your laws didn't allow them to be given back to the nation they did a criminal act in. I wouldn't allow the individual back their embaasy. Now a country should notify the embassy and a representative could go visit them in jail. No one leader in their right mind would vote for this.
We are of the opinion that a nation should not be forced to accept an embassy, but agree to it of their own will, and so we vote no. Also, it makes it too easy for criminals to hide behind walls and regulation.
What's missing is any explanation why a nation should have a right to establish an embassy in another nation.
An embassy shall be DEFINED as an area within a nation that is governed by a foriegn nation in order to give foriegn visitors from that same nation access to anything they may need from their said nation.
That's just one of the functions of an embassy. I don't think it's entirely accurate to define an embassy in this way.
Also, it's spelt "foreign".
The Altan Steppes
02-09-2008, 16:54
The Federation does try to establish friendly relations with all nations. However, if there happens to be a nation whose diplomats are not welcome in our nation, we fully expect to retain our right to tell them to shove off. Opposed.
-Arjel Khazaran, Deputy Ambassador
Miskonia
02-09-2008, 20:27
I was once refused an embassy request for being fascist. (in the sense of controlling every aspect of my citizens) However, It was his RIGHT to refuse me on any base he saw fit to do so.
Rutianas
02-09-2008, 20:53
The Federation does try to establish friendly relations with all nations. However, if there happens to be a nation whose diplomats are not welcome in our nation, we fully expect to retain our right to tell them to shove off. Opposed.
-Arjel Khazaran, Deputy Ambassador
I must concur. We also would like to retain the right to tell a nation to, well, I believe our colleague Ambassador Khazaran chose the most diplomatic way to put it.
Thank you,
Paula Jenner, Rutianas Ambassador and Delegate for the Korel Region
Wierd Anarchists
02-09-2008, 21:43
We only believe that a co-operation will come from both sides. So if we do not want an embassy we want that as our right. And if others do not want an embassy from us on their land, we will gladly stay out.
We will go along with aid for criminals by their home land, in the case the land of origin wants that. We think that is fair. We would support proposals on that.
But no rights for embassies. It would feel like a foreign occupation if other nations can come for an embassy against our will.
Regards, Cocoamok
Rotovia-
03-09-2008, 01:51
Allowing a foreign national to attend a foreign embassy is akin to allowing them to return home. There is no guarantee that embassy would return the individual. Whilst nations should certainly allow a foreign national the ability to access legal counsel conversant in their language as well as the laws, customs and language of the nation in which the foreign national is charged, as well as access to embassy staff, allowing them to enter what is technically foreign soil is unreasonable and unnecessary.
RECOGNIZE that governments may have biased views towards other nations' citizens, especially criminals; Anyone is welcome here as long as they follow our laws. Break those laws and they become CRIMINALS.. We have a policy here we apply: "Do as you do in your home, don't touch things in our home not yours."
DECLARE that every nation shall be permitted to have an embassy in every other nation, but is not required to; andSo what is the problem here if another nation comes to us wanting to set up a union then we sit down and work out the terms of that union.... then establish a treaty.... and if they can afford it they can open and embassy here. As we pay for things and expect other to pay for them also.. We are not a welfare state nor support other nations... funding wise... we buy things from them they buy things from us.. and spend what we get from them as we see fit.. and let them do same.
REQUIRES every criminal to be allowed to go to their respective embassy before being tried in a foriegn nation.Here if they are criminals and caught they go to jail and then trail... Our court system is a closed system to protect the person charged from slander... and the victums from exposer... thus there will be no call to anyone... we try them in 72 hours... and they are either released or sent to prison... or hung... depending on the findings of the judges of the court they are tried in...
An embassy shall be DEFINED as an area within a nation that is governed by a foriegn nation in order to give foriegn visitors from that same nation access to anything they may need from their said nation. Visitors to our nation who enter our borders are treated as citizens and as long as they can pay for things they can get them here... we hold all visitors to our laws thus we exect them to follow our laws within our borders. Thus their is no so call 'safe zone' for them to go within our borders and violate our laws.. even another nations embassy...
We shall RECOGNIZE that a foriegn nation's control does not extend past their respective embassy, and that foriegn criminals shall be tried under the laws of the nation in which their crime was committed,
But the criminals MUST be given access to a lawyer from their nation if they so desire, and if the criminal's home nation feels that the judgement will be decided unfairly, they can DEMAND the punishment to be decided by World Assembly representatives, although the trial shall still be carried out in the way of the accusing nation. Lawyers from other nations will never be allow to defend a person here as they do not understand nor know our legal system.. Also the WA shall never have the right to decide punishment for crimes done here and we call for all nations to stand against this just for this clause that gives them that right to sentence criminals in any member nation...
FURTHER, although an embassy is under the control of a foriegn nation, a criminal may not leave the accusing nation through their embassy without the consent of both nations, UNLESS the criminal's home nation feels that they are being held without trial for too long of a time, or being held in illegal conditions, in which case the matter shall go to the authority of the World Assembly. Here they will not get into the embassy and if they do under treaty they are turned over to the local law officers once a request is made for them... otherwise the person in the embassy violate our laws by protecting a charged person... and also violate any treaty we have established between our nations... Once they are in jail there nation follows our court rules and stays the heck out of the way, or again they face criminal charges as well as violate the treaty between our nations...
A person charged with a crime is jailed for no more than 72 hours.. only the parties involved are allowed to enter the court.. victum, accused, judges (3 for minor crimes), witnesses, criminal investigators, all others having no part in the crime are outside waiting...
Victum is questioned first by the judges with one a clerk to record this.. Next accused is questioned in same manner. Then witnesses are questioned. Then the criminal investigators are questioned.
If enough has been found to hold the person for sentencing then they are held up to 5 days... to allow the judges to get additional information or evidence if needed.. if it simple sentence is given sooner.. Murder and Rape require nine judges sitting and may take up to twelve days to try.. and follow the same order in questioning by judges. All parties are sworn to not speak of the crime outside the court. Those who do face criminal charges if found doing so.. If the party is found not guilty then all records of the trial are destroyed... If found guilty the records are retained and closed until some event calls for them to be opened again...
This protects all parties regardless of outcome of the traill... Thus avoids threats to victums, accused, witnesses, judges, or others who are involved from outsiders.. Outsiders found trying to get into court records without legal cause become criminals and will be caught and tried......
Hanging here is the means we deal with major (Murder, Rape, Child Abuse) crimes as life in prison is not seen as a sentence. Once sentenced there is a 30 hour waiting period before they hang... this allows them time to completed wills and say their goodbyes to family and friends.. if they come to see them... or even want to see them... As we do not pay for a criminal's visitors travel expenses to come see them... nor wait longer than the 30 hours... for them to get here.
Porrarse McHungman,
Minister of Prisons,
Staff General Cavirrian Royal Guard
Hirota likes this proposal. Build big embassies....like nation sized, and there you go. A nice easy way to expand our frontiers.
Flibbleites
04-09-2008, 17:04
Hirota likes this proposal. Build big embassies....like nation sized, and there you go. A nice easy way to expand our frontiers.
Or use it in conjunction with the Nuclear Arms Possession Act, build an "embassy" in another nation's capital, ship a nuclear device there, then if that nation ticks you off, detonate it.http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w166/bak42/FIREdevil.gif
Bob Flibble
WA Representative