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Seeing as the debate has brought quite a few of these guys out of the woodwork, I just want to see how many people here deny the existence of sapient lifeforms besides humans in NS, and how many do not.

To quote the inimitable Sean Combs, "VOTE OR DIE!!"

I promise not to flood your poll with puppet votes.

Sorry, couldn't hear you. I was too busy flooding the poll with puppet votes. :D

...or maybe just one.

I picked the last option (I have ridden the mighty Moon Worm, and I KNOW they exist! Just not in my nation) because Yeldans are more or less human. There aren't any other species indigenous to Trid that would rise to the level of sapience, but obviously we know of non-human sapient species elsewhere.

I picked the last option because Yeldans are more or less human. There aren't any other species indigenous to Trid that would rise to the level of sapience...Uhh, not even zombies? http://209.85.48.12/html/emoticons/dry.gif

I voted for the sapient insects crawling up my arms, because while the native penguins are unusually intelligent, they're not sapient and only considered sentient by the government. However, many foreign diplomats assigned to my nation would be considered such, as well as the many Palentine dolphins that have adopted the shores of my nation as a second home.

Uhh, not even zombies? http://209.85.48.12/html/emoticons/dry.gif
Felix is from Earth, originally.

Uhh, not even zombies? http://209.85.48.12/html/emoticons/dry.gif
I myself have voted in the poll. And I cannot for the life of me understand why you continue to refer to me as a zombie.

Dammit, that word in the third poll option is supposed to be "farcical." Could a moderator please fix it? :headbang:

I had to vote yes. I was the biggest and the best of the non-human nations (well excluding the Tolkien imitators, but that's not interesting or original).

I personally maintain that the people who say sentient non-humans don't exist are the ones that themselves do not exist. They are the hallucinatory manifestation of indigestion caused by a bad side of yak that the Altan Steppes delegation was served at a farewell dinner before coming to the WA. Or something.

We believe in anything, absolutely anything at all. as long as it doesn't include poo or Santa Claus, or any combination of the two.

yours e.t.c. ,

We believe in anything, absolutely anything at all. as long as it doesn't include poo or Santa Claus, or any combination of the two.

yours e.t.c. ,
*Throws poo at Urgench*

*Throws poo at Urgench*

Our childhoods were ruined by the terrible news that Santa does not exist, and poo is yukky, so please do not upset our delicate psychic balance any further we beg you, oh graceous representative of a land and a people we can never accept the reality of.

yours e.t.c.,

I find it kind of ridiculous that the WA is forcing a roleplay element on to every nation in the WA.

I find it kind of ridiculous that the WA is forcing a roleplay element on to every nation in the WA.


No one is forcing you to do anything honoured ambassador, you may do as you please. You may choose to believe what ever you want and allow others the same pleasure. You may participate at the w.a. or not, find a region with a structure and politics that suits your nation or not ( some have w.a. like organisations which might suit your needs better ) But we recomend you stay and enjoy the freedom and serendipity of this place and role with the punches, your experience of the N.S.G. world will be much enhanced.

yours e.t.c. ,

Aztor is a human nation, but I've seen some odd creatures on the WA floor. I'm not quite sure if they're sentient, but I have similar doubts about some of the humans I've seen here.

Aztor is a human nation, but I've seen some odd creatures on the WA floor. I'm not quite sure if they're sentient, but I have similar doubts about some of the humans I've seen here.

Indeed sagacious representative of Aztor you are quite correct.

yours e.t.c.,

(O.O.C.) Despite the impassioned arguments that have been presented in favor of imagined beings or fantastically-endowed species, I am unmoved.

They have every right to argue in favor of it, as do I have every right to argue against it.

Yet again, sloppy (poll) drafting forces the least worst option upon us! Oh for the rigid standards of yesteryear!

Or was that in another timeline?


Dicey Reilly, wrongfully President for Life of Ardchoille.

(O.O.C.) Despite the impassioned arguments that have been presented in favor of imagined beings or fantastically-endowed species, I am unmoved.

They have every right to argue in favor of it, as do I have every right to argue against it.

But the fact is they do exist in NS. To use a RL example, to argue otherwise is like trying deny the existance of Norway, cake or rollercoasters

(O.O.C.) Despite the impassioned arguments that have been presented in favor of imagined beings or fantastically-endowed species, I am unmoved.

They have every right to argue in favor of it, as do I have every right to argue against it.

Why? honoured ambassador for Faereyjar is it not patently obvious that such beings exist here, now, before your very eyes?

yours e.t.c. ,

I had to go for option 1, despite the lack of sentient insects crawling up my anything. ::looks suspiciously at the Kennyites:: Are you on something?

Anyway, option 1. Technically, the royal family isn't human. Technically.

Take one look at my nation and you won't need me to vote to know my answer.

Unless, of course, you are "unmoved" in your belief of "fantastically-endowed species". In that case, you're about to become brutally aware of our...existence.


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CoN Lord Chancellor
Delegate of The Council of Narnia

The real question you should be asking yourselves is: Do the Sanrio kittens think we are sapient?

I find it kind of ridiculous that the WA is forcing a roleplay element on to every nation in the WA.ooc: Wait. You're surprised that a roleplay game is a roleplay game? And you meet the sentience test? Go figure.

ic:

Insectsszz yessz. Sapientssz or notssz, tasssstyz. Yummmz

The real question you should be asking yourselves is: Do the Sanrio kittens think we are sapient?

Do they?

The real question you should be asking yourselves is: Do the Sanrio kittens think we are sapient?

I have to admit that I am morbidly curious as to what the kitties think of the Altanari. :p

OOC: I don't acknowledge them to exist, but that's probably because I only ICly recognize five regions to exist for my RP.

I chose option 4 but leave the door open to the possibility that non-human sapients may exist in our nation but have heretofor displayed an uncanny ability to evade our attempts to locate them or confirm their existence.

As to sapience in the WA... you're kidding, right?

The High Council of Desh-Shrik at first voted for the proposal, as we do believe in the existence of other sentient species (but, to our knowledge, minimally in our own nation) but later withdrew its vote when convinced by the Republic of United Libertonians that the bill itself was not correct.

Said Republic argued that other sentient creatures' rights should be individual of those of humans, and that they should not be under one global bill of rights.

The Council does, however, feel that if the bill were re-written it would be voted for on a second run.

-High Council Member M. Stuart
Wednesday 6th of August, 18:46

The High Council of Desh-Shrik at first voted for the proposal, as we do believe in the existence of other sentient species (but, to our knowledge, minimally in our own nation) but later withdrew its vote when convinced by the Republic of United Libertonians that the bill itself was not correct.

Said Republic argued that other sentient creatures' rights should be individual of those of humans, and that they should not be under one global bill of rights.

The Council does, however, feel that if the bill were re-written it would be voted for on a second run.

-High Council Member M. Stuart
Wednesday 6th of August, 18:46<Psst. You're in the wrong thread.>

One thread is really just an extension of the other, I get the feeling. My post could fit in both. This is directly related to the bill, no?

No, please post in the thread about the bill. This is just a poll about whether sapients exist.

Well, as I said, I think they do. And with that I take my leave.

Of course they exist! After all, I never claimed to be human, did I?

Participating in debates on this forum has convinced me that there are no sapient species, only sapient individuals. That said, I voted for the first option, since I have a few sapient non-humans in my nation.

So, while the consensus here is 'they do exist', there's a number who disagree, and two sapient rights proposals were voted down.

Can I ask, then, what we think about proposals on topics such as international health? For example, the UN passed several about HIV/AIDS. I've been thinking about writing one on TB. But would that sort of proposal be inappropriate, given AIDS presumably doesn't affect some species?

Not trying to hijack the thread, but rather discover what the ramifications of the consensus is.

Well they exist (at least in our imaginations, like our nations :p), as the other players can think of whatever organisms they have, such as aliens, dolphins, bears, monkeys, apes, rats, etc. But prolly in another level of the multiverse, not in my plane of the multiverse. However, I can think also that Brutland and Norden considers these to be nonexistent too. So when you ask Brutland and Norden the country, they don't exist, hence their IC puzzlement and vote.

As for the health proposals, them non-human species can just vote against because it won't affect them anyway and it would just be an additional nonsensical law in the books. But the (presumably) sheer number of human nations and the (seeming) fact that most WA nations aren't really serious about roleplaying sapient broccoli or humongous paramecia (or even reading them goddamned proposals!), would make a well-accepted well-written well-titled health proposal for humans pass. Bottom line: You are outnumbered. Surrender to us... (Nope. Just kidding.) The real bottom line: A consensus is fine, but it certainly won't be followed or maybe just ignored. All would still go down to the voting on resolutions.

(And, QuoD, I might like to help on the tuberculosis one. ;))

Will it be the proposal on TB be that the disease will not discriminate any more between humans and non humans? Or will it be one that will introduce TB in NationStates (so that humans will extinct)? Because in my nation there is no TB now and we rather have it that way. We are humans, sapient we do not know, because the definition was in the proposal what was not approved, but hopefully the TB proposal will not affect us. :rolleyes:

(Just kidding (a bit) to try to get the thread back to the subject.) :p

But it is fine that some humans or non humans want to work on a nice proposal. And I believe you are sapient, "zo dat zit wel snor" (Dutch expression).

Regards

Well they exist (at least in our imaginations, like our nations :p), as the other players can think of whatever organisms they have, such as aliens, dolphins, bears, monkeys, apes, rats, etc. But prolly in another level of the multiverse, not in my plane of the multiverse. However, I can think also that Brutland and Norden considers these to be nonexistent too. So when you ask Brutland and Norden the country, they don't exist, hence their IC puzzlement and vote.

... and hence also the fact that our embassy request remains unanswered?

... and hence also the fact that our embassy request remains unanswered?
Er, no. It is unanswered because I keep on forgetting to look at my embassy exchange thread, It is rejected (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13910343#post13910343) because of this. ;) Perhaps you can have one of your human puppets apply. :wink:

Now back to topic. :p