NationStates Jolt Archive


Free Education Act

Epigeal
10-07-2008, 06:53
RECOGNIZING that the children our are future

REALIZING that an educated nation is the key to a prosperous nation,

The World Assembly shall thus:

MANDATE that every child of every WA nation shall be provided a primary and secondary education equaling up to 15 years of schooling

PROVIDE every child of every WA nation the resources to obtain a college degree free of charge

SAID resources will be equal to the average cost of attending a public university for four years

May this resolution lay down the foundation for the prosperous futures of all World Assembly nations.

Any comments or improvements?
GreatTree
10-07-2008, 17:27
The representative from GreatTree also feels inclined to reject this proposal.


An inadequate funding plan is my greatest concern, but also the possibility of abuse is very great. Indoctrination would be the likely choice of several member nations, something that would be counter-productive to this act's intentions. Until a more detailed resolution is prepared, I cannot offer my support.

Even with such a resolution, I may still be opposed, do to what I believe to be a considerable breach of sovereignty.
Malenkaia
10-07-2008, 18:49
The President of the Republic of Malenkaia,
and her Minister for Education and Equality

Support this proposal.
Any citizen, regardless of his social background, should be given the chance to study if he has the capacity and the desire to do so.

The Republic of Malenkaia wants to add that, if any special fund had to be provided for children from poor social condition to get an easy access to higher education, the Assembly would vote for such funds to be credited.
Aldura
10-07-2008, 18:59
I support this fully and will help in working out any kinks in the proposal.
Restotution
10-07-2008, 19:33
This matter should be left up to the individual nations based solely on their economic stability. It is foolish to assume that every member nation of the WA is economically stable enough for the educational needs of every child in their country.
Gobbannaen WA Mission
10-07-2008, 19:36
As some people have already said, this leaves so many things undefined as to be pretty limited. At the moment, saying "Hey kid, here's a stack of books, go away and don't bother us for the next decade and a half" would fit it. You need to think a bit harder about what education involves and how to provide it (who pays for what, for example).

I'd also suggest hiving the tertiary education part off into a separate resolution. Your chances of getting this through will dramatically increase if you don't mix the different subjects together.
Frisbeeteria
10-07-2008, 20:04
It does not specify what category it should be in, it does not specify it's strength and is therefore illegal.

No, it's not. It's illegal if it's in the WRONG category or strength. This one was filed under ...Category: Education and Creativity
Area of Effect: Educational
Proposed by: Epigeal... exactly as it should have been. The fact that the author didn't specify that in the thread has no bearing on its legality. Please don't idly toss around terms like "illegal" if you don't actually understand them.
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That said, it's a pretty weak proposal. I could loophole the whole college education bit out with an envelope and a stamp ('free' college diplomas are usually not worth the paper they're printed on.)

"Free of Charge" is such a marvelous invention too, as all those buildings, teachers, and materials always appear out of thin air when you pass a law. My leadership considers "Free of Charge" to apply equally to the government, not just the citizens ... not to mention the fact that "free" implies that there are no taxes involved. If somebody pays for it, it ain't free.

Maybe all his students attend Hogwarts, and they can wave a wand to create all those educational goodies. My nation produces goods and services the old-fashioned way, and we'll continue to by-God charge for our time and effort.
Cobdenia
10-07-2008, 22:40
I could support a resolution that guaranteed some sort of free univarsal education to a basic level (say to age 11), but beyond that is likely to be severly inappropriate for numerous, less well off nations, especially with regards university education
Jujuburghia
11-07-2008, 00:32
The government of Jujuburghia has two reservations:

The first applies to the mandated 15 years of primary and secondary education. The government of Jujubirghia would be inclined to support 12 years rather than 15.

The second is universal tertiary education without apparent testing or criteria for entry into this education. Not everyone has academic capacity and not every job requires academic capacity, or so long an education.

While Jujuburghia is inclined to agree with the sentiment of the proposal, it cannot agree to support it as it stands.
Cookiton
11-07-2008, 00:36
Of course! I also support Private Education for teaching of the Jesuits etc.

But how is everybody going to get paid?

I think a lot of people would quite if they found out there was no money
Kekova
11-07-2008, 13:49
This is a good idea. Education for all. But it doesn't work in my opinion.

This goes further then education. It is an economic battle. Who will pay for all of this? Do the citizens of my nation want to raise their taxes even more? Not just mine every other nation for that matter. This would just raise taxes, plain and simple.

Also every nation needs citizens that do the dirty work. Buy making everyone educated then that is going to be more people trying to get top CEO jobs. If that happens who will be the janitors for the schools, the garbage truck drivers, and the farmers? Ask yourself that question.

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East Ying
11-07-2008, 16:59
By allowing free Education by way of the WA, you are going to need to somehow pay for the education, or else you'll get upset, or bad, teachers. Then the WA would have to place taxes, and I believe that the WA isn't allowed to do that. I haven't had much WA activity since the UN was still around about a year ago, and I am not entirely sure that "Historical Resoultions" still count towards todays nations, or if they were mass repealed by the act that enforced the WA. I'm just saying, that there are small loopholes you might want to look over before putting this to the WA.

(Questions needed to be answered:
1.Where will the schools get funding from if nobody is paying for Education.
1b.If the government pays for it, won't it be placing a much larger tax burden on the general public?
1c.If the WA pays for it, doesn't that go against some old UN resolution from 2004/05?
2.How will the teachers get their pay?
2b.Where will the Education system find good or above average quality teachers who are willing to work for nothing, or very little.
2c. If the teachers are bad, doesn't that defeat the purpose of education?)

EDIT: didn't see your post Kekova
Cookiton
11-07-2008, 17:00
This is good so far, it just need more development, and answering the questions
Kekova
12-07-2008, 00:11
That is no problem East Ying. The more people that see the same thing the more it sinks in.