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We need to actually get more approvals for proposals, or else we will never get anything done! I have seen perfectly good proposals get shot down because only 40 delegates actually bothered to check in and see. we have 1500 who dont even check the WA area, I bet!!!

We need to actually get more approvals for proposals, or else we will never get anything done! I have seen perfectly good proposals get shot down because only 40 delegates actually bothered to check in and see. we have 1500 who dont even check the WA area, I bet!!!


the government of the emperor of urgench agrees with the respected ambassador for Shwaasburg, perhaps we could petition the powers that be to reduce the number of approvals needed to bring a resolution to vote, however this might mean that a lot of very poor resolutions might be brought before us aswell as good ones.

yours e.t.c.

You have our full support on this issue.

I would vote for things, but it seems like people have forgotten how to write a good proposal. they're all like one-liners or things that dont even make sense.




~FROM THE OFFICE OF THE WORLD ASSEMBLY DELEGATE OF KONOHA~

I've noticed the trend where only a minority of delegates actually do something like endorsing and writing new resolutions. In response I've considered endorsing every active proposal that are within the rules of the WA. If many more follow then we've got a full house.

Legal and good proposals are rarely submitted. I check the list every day: 2/3rds is obviously crap, 1/3 less obviously but just as crap.

If you want a proposal to reach quorum, there's only one way: send 500 telegrams in 2 days.

the government of the emperor of urgench agrees with the respected ambassador for Shwaasburg, perhaps we could petition the powers that be to reduce the number of approvals needed to bring a resolution to vote,...Not gonna happen. Right now, it's at 6%; it used to be 10%, and even when it was knocked down to 6, the number to reach quorum was sometimes as high as 140. I doubt the mods would reduce it again just because you guys are bored. If you want something to make quorum, do what Quod says: telegram for your proposal.

In response I've considered endorsing every active proposal that are within the rules of the WA. If many more follow then we've got a full house.

Please don't. 99% of what goes on the proposals list is unmitigated crap. "If many more follow," we have Max Barry Day all over again. Still, it would be nice to know who to hold personally responsible :-)

those inactive for a certain time should be expelled from the WA (but should be allowed to come back of they want to )
that way the percentage of voters will rise even thought the same amount of people vote

for example
if 8 out of 20 vote thats 40%
if 8 out of 10 vote thats 80%

Those inactive for a certain time are expelled from the WA, in a sense. Their nations die off.

I believe that waiting for days on end for a resolution is ridiculous. Something must be done!

Write one that isn't crap?

We don't have to vote on something every day, y'know. I'd rather see a slow trickle of good resolutions to vote on than a flood of bad ones.

Yes but if we shoot down all the bad ones then we will encourage those who wrote them to either stop writing or improve what they are writing about. Therefore I agree that we should lower the number of approvals need to get a resolution to vote.

I would vote for things, but it seems like people have forgotten how to write a good proposal. they're all like one-liners or things that dont even make sense.




~FROM THE OFFICE OF THE WORLD ASSEMBLY DELEGATE OF KONOHA~

Also you are speaking on behalf of TRB as well I suspect. Check with your superiors first.

Yes but if we shoot down all the bad ones then we will encourage those who wrote them to either stop writing or improve what they are writing about. Therefore I agree that we should lower the number of approvals need to get a resolution to vote.

I agree.

Yes but if we shoot down all the bad ones then we will encourage those who wrote them to either stop writing or improve what they are writing about. Therefore I agree that we should lower the number of approvals need to get a resolution to vote.

Spoken like someone who's never tried to get a bad resolution voted down. It's much easier to prevent the bad ones from ever hitting quorum than to try to get the bad ones voted down.

Spoken like someone who's never tried to get a bad resolution voted down. It's much easier to prevent the bad ones from ever hitting quorum than to try to get the bad ones voted down.

I do not agree. What you consider a 'bad one' is your opinion. Therefore the number must be lowered to get a resolution to vote.

We don't have to vote on something every day, y'know. I'd rather see a slow trickle of good resolutions to vote on than a flood of bad ones.

Completely agree. If it's such a problem, then any concerned parties should gather a group of Regional Representatives together, create a Resolution, then lobby for it before submitting it. That way there's a base of support already in place so the Resolution can be introduced with several approvals, and the supporters can share the duties of lobbying WA Regional Reps to reach a quorum.

Completely agree. If it's such a problem, then any concerned parties should gather a group of Regional Representatives together, create a Resolution, then lobby for it before submitting it. That way there's a base of support already in place so the Resolution can be introduced with several approvals, and the supporters can share the duties of lobbying WA Regional Reps to reach a quorum.

And then the mods will ignore us like they always do and consider it a 'bad one'. Then what? The fact is that when enough of us support the idea the mods will get around to doing it. They can delete resolutions and proposals so whats the point of that? Im not trying to be mean I'm just saying they won't do it unless the idea gets support here.

And then the mods will ignore us like they always do and consider it a 'bad one'. Then what? The fact is that when enough of us support the idea the mods will get around to doing it. They can delete resolutions and proposals so whats the point of that? Im not trying to be mean I'm just saying they won't do it unless the idea gets support here.

It's not getting any support from me here. I also hope I'm misunderstanding you, since you seem to be upset that the mods do their job and delete illegal proposals from the queue.

And then the mods will ignore us like they always do and consider it a 'bad one'. Then what? The fact is that when enough of us support the idea the mods will get around to doing it. They can delete resolutions and proposals so whats the point of that? Im not trying to be mean I'm just saying they won't do it unless the idea gets support here.

Mods don't "consider it a bad one". Mods check it against the rules and delete it if it's an illegal one. There's a sticky at the top of this forum describing how to write a legal proposal.

There are also plenty of posters here with enough experience to tell you if a proposal isn't legal, and enough interest to help you get it right. That's why it's a good idea to post a draft of a proposal here, knock it into shape, then submit it and start your TG campaign.

Further, "getting support here" doesn't guarantee any idea will be accepted. This is not a democracy. This is a site owned by Max Barry. It works within the TOS, the programming, the rules and the servers. All ideas are not equal.

We need to actually get more approvals for proposals, or else we will never get anything done! I have seen perfectly good proposals get shot down because only 40 delegates actually bothered to check in and see. we have 1500 who dont even check the WA area, I bet!!!

mayhap, after the latest string of micro-managing resolutions from this body, states within their respective regions are talking to their delegates and thus, the delegates are far more discriminating about where they throw their support.

this is, of course, how it should be, at least, as we who live in republics feel.

I do not agree. What you consider a 'bad one' is your opinion. Therefore the number must be lowered to get a resolution to vote.

disagreed. we have seen bad ones sail through this body based on little more than emotional appeal.

And then the mods will ignore us like they always do and consider it a 'bad one'. Then what? The fact is that when enough of us support the idea the mods will get around to doing it. They can delete resolutions and proposals so whats the point of that? Im not trying to be mean I'm just saying they won't do it unless the idea gets support here.

Salzland is unsure of what precisely you're getting at... the Moderators ensure that illegal Resolutions do not make it to floor votes, not that any Resolution that they wish to strike out on a whim is removed. Also, they have nothing to do with lobbying Regional WA Delegates to receive the 100-odd Approvals necessary to bring a proposed Resolution to quorum, as I discussed.

Frankly, the way to fix the "problem" of not getting enough approvals is not to lower the threshold needed, it is to have the Proposal Creator and Sponsors lobby members of this body, as they are supposed to do in this Representative-style governing body. Take a proposed Resolution to this forum, revise it based on suggestions, find some co-sponsors that will help you lobby your Resolution, then submit it to the World Assembly at large. And if it fails, then revise it again, re-submit it, and lobby for it again.

Other states have had no problem reaching the necessary threshold. The World Assembly should not have to lower its standards to compensate for laziness.