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The peoples liberation arm respectfully requests that the delegatsy of the WA consider endorsing the resolution on the banning of mines

Description: The Problem: Every year many innocent civilians are needlessly harmed by landmines in war torn countries and or old defensive lines, another problem being mines at sea effect trade by sinking cargo ships,oil tankers ect as well as again the civilan cost

The Solution: Ban the production and use of mines in all World assembly nations and to bring in a program of cleaning up the mines in areas they have been layed.

The End Result: Civilian casulties in war torn nations and in areas of old defensive lines will be cleared by all nations within the World assembly and also clearing mines at sea will allow a safer ocean for both ships and sea creatures.

What nations must do:
1)Provide man-power to clear mines
2)Provide equipment
3)Provide a sum of money to help pay for the operation
4)Stop production of landmines and dispose of all mines that are being stored
5)Be more vigulant when it comes to cracking down on illegal production of mines

The Chairman:"The Chair recognizes the delegate from The Constitutional Monarchy of MightyCyberton!

Delegate Skyfire of The Constitutional Monarchy of MightyCyberton delegation pushes a button on the console in front of him. The button activates the microphone extended from the desk. Delegate Skyfire stands, adjust the microphone and clears his throat.

Delegate Skyfire: "The Constitutional Monarchy of MightyCyberton! is happy to endorse your proposal to ban land mines. We consider land mines to be an inhumane instrument of war. However, we are not sure if whether the Honorable Delegation fromPeoples liberation arm is aware that a second proposal on this very issue has been submitted to the World Assembly by the equally Honorable Delegation from The Protectorate of Selva Amazonia. Since both of your delegations are of similar views on this issue might it be best if you invite the Delegates from The Protectorate of Selva Amazoniato this board. The three of use then could hammer out a joint proposal from the two of you to address land mines. This way all efforts could be directed to getting one great proposal passed than the possible defeat of both proposals if they remain separate?"

some nations are not as wealthy as other and dont have money to give away
however the least they could do is provide the equipment and/or manpower to clear the land from mines

My thanks to thou fine delegates the honourable representative LoneWolf of the peoples liberation arm dost thank thou fort though thoughts and would kindly request that thou assist the peoples liberation arm in bring both parties together to help the power of this great deed

The people of The Federation of Staffenberg wish to give their endorsement of said ban, through a resolution passed by the Parliament and signed by the Federal President.

The Federation of Staffenberg also wishes to make known that it will provide any and all means and resources necessary, without any hindrance or delay, to make progress towards a complete ban and removal of land mines, with the only consideration that the allocation of said means and resources doesn't hinder the unrelenting effort of the Federation to provide each and every one of its citizens with a stable and prosperous country to live in.

the government of the emperor of urgench would very likely vote in the affirmative for this resolution, we are horrified by reports that some nations still use these tactically pointless weapons and distressed by the consiquences of their use for civilians. we commend the authors of this resolution.

however it's wording will need to be significantly corrected and improved to make it completely intelligable and clear.

yours e.t.c.

may i thank you both honourable delegates Urgench and Staffenberg and i offer to any nation the right to add or advise me on suggestions on the proposal

Delegate Skyfire: "My fellow nations, we all seem to be in agreement that something need so be done about landmine I suggest that we combine our efforts. As I previously mentioned the Honorable Delegation from The Protectorate of Selva Amazonia has also written and submitted a proposal dealing with the banning of landmines. I have invited the Delegates from Selva Amazonia to join this disscussion. I suggest those of us that are interested in seeing something done about landmines help put together a single powerful proposal and than work together to drum up support.

the government of the emperor of urgench thinks that it would be wise to start by properly defining what it is that this resolution will ban, and using the proper terms throughout or otherwise it will ban nothing. we think the proper term for land mines is anti-personnel mines but we could be wrong, we will do a quick bit of research to find out how this piece of ordinance is properly described and report back.
our government thinks it may be unwise to include anti-shipping mines since that would seem to be of a different order and of a different nature.
it should also be decided what category this resolution falls into and what strength it is. or otherwise it will not be considered.

yours e.t.c.

Delegate Skyfire: "The Constitutional Monarchy of MightyCyberton concurs with with the Delegation from The Empire of Urgench. This new proposal must be properly written with the terms and restrictions properly defined. This is why we suggest that the proposal be written here jointly by nations interested in this issue. We also like the way the Delegation from The Empire of Urgench is starting with the basics. I will also research landmines to learn a proper definition and term.

As to the issue of catergory, we believe that Global Disarmament is the proper catergory. We can see a possible arguement for using International Security or Human Rights as well. However, we feel that Global Disarmament is the best fit.

the government of the emperor of urgench would very likely vote in the affirmative for this resolution, we are horrified by reports that some nations still use these tactically pointless weapons and distressed by the consiquences of their use for civilians. we commend the authors of this resolution.

Land mines laid in clearly-labelled & delineated minefields are NOT "tactically pointless", as they can have a useful role to play in channelling -- or at least delaying -- the movement of enemy troops.
I would suggest that any proposal on limiting land-mines should still allow their use under those conditions, with the additional requirement that the nation laying them maintain accurate maps of their distribution and make these maps available for use in subsequent clearance missions (except when those are being carried out by nations with which they are still at war).

Delegate Skyfire: "The Constitutional Monarchy of MightyCyberton concurs with with the Delegation from The Empire of Urgench. This new proposal must be properly written with the terms and restrictions properly defined. This is why we suggest that the proposal be written here jointly by nations interested in this issue. We also like the way the Delegation from The Empire of Urgench is starting with the basics. I will also research landmines to learn a proper definition and term.

As to the issue of catergory, we believe that Global Disarmament is the proper catergory. We can see a possible arguement for using International Security or Human Rights as well. However, we feel that Global Disarmament is the best fit.


the government of the emperor of urgench agrees with the esteemed ambassador for the Constitutional Monarchy of MightyCybertron that of course this resolution falls in to the category of Global Disarmament.

yours e.t.c.

Land mines laid in clearly-labelled & delineated minefields are NOT "tactically pointless", as they can have a useful role to play in channelling -- or at least delaying -- the movement of enemy troops.
I would suggest that any proposal on limiting land-mines should still allow their use under those conditions, with the additional requirement that the nation laying them maintain accurate maps of their distribution and make these maps available for use in subsequent clearance missions (except when those are being carried out by nations with which they are still at war).


the government of the emperor of urgench concedes that our desire to have these weapons banned may have coloured our discription of them, but the actual utility of anti-personnel mines is disputed and among persons better qualified to do so than this humble ambassador, we were only deferring to such wisdom.
accurate mapping of mined areas however would not be in the spirit of a ban, though if mines are to be used still after this resolution it might make more sense to insist that those nations who do so be responsible for their complete clearance within certain deadlines.


yours e.t.c.

The people of The Federation of Staffenberg wish to give their endorsement of said ban, through a resolution passed by the Parliament and signed by the Federal President.

The Federation of Staffenberg also wishes to make known that it will provide any and all means and resources necessary, without any hindrance or delay, to make progress towards a complete ban and removal of land mines, with the only consideration that the allocation of said means and resources doesn't hinder the unrelenting effort of the Federation to provide each and every one of its citizens with a stable and prosperous country to live in.

The Republic of Cayma also wishes to endorse the afore-mentioned ban on landmines. As a newly accepted nation into the World Assembly, we wish also to thank the member nations for your acceptance of our nation into your Assembly.

Land mines laid in clearly-labelled & delineated minefields are NOT "tactically pointless", as they can have a useful role to play in channelling -- or at least delaying -- the movement of enemy troops.
I would suggest that any proposal on limiting land-mines should still allow their use under those conditions, with the additional requirement that the nation laying them maintain accurate maps of their distribution and make these maps available for use in subsequent clearance missions (except when those are being carried out by nations with which they are still at war).

We wish to comment on the tactical usefulness of land mines. While it is clear that they can hinder the enemy when a country is being invaded, and while it is also clear that mapping their distribution can facilitate their clearance, it is also a fact that mines aren't an effective deterrent of invasion as they were before, with the advent of air strikes and ICBMs.

Thus, we consider this sort of weapon unhelpful as a military tool, and extremely harmful for the population of the countries that have implemented their use. Our Federation wishes to express its desire for the complete disappearance of weapons that can do great harm to civilian populations, as a logical extension of our relentless commitment towards a global disarmament.

The Federation of Staffenberg
Ministry of Foreign Affairs
Chargé d’affaires for Global Disarmament

Land mines laid in clearly-labelled & delineated minefields are NOT "tactically pointless", as they can have a useful role to play in channelling -- or at least delaying -- the movement of enemy troops.
I would suggest that any proposal on limiting land-mines should still allow their use under those conditions, with the additional requirement that the nation laying them maintain accurate maps of their distribution and make these maps available for use in subsequent clearance missions (except when those are being carried out by nations with which they are still at war).

We wish to comment on the tactical usefulness of land mines. While it is clear that they can hinder the enemy when a country is being invaded, and while it is also clear that mapping their distribution can facilitate their clearance, it is also a fact that mines aren't an effective deterrent of invasion as they were before, with the advent of air strikes and ICBMs.

Thus, we consider this sort of weapon unhelpful as a military tool, and extremely harmful for the population of the countries that have implemented their use. Our Federation wants to make known its wish for the complete disappearance of weapons that can do great harm to civilian populations, as a logical extension of our relentless commitment towards a global disarmament.

The Federation of Staffenberg
Ministry of Foreign Affairs
Chargé d’affaires for Global Disarmament

We wish to comment on the tactical usefulness of land mines. While it is clear that they can hinder the enemy when a country is being invaded, and while it is also clear that mapping their distribution can facilitate their clearance, it is also a fact that mines aren't an effective deterrent of invasion as they were before, with the advent of air strikes and ICBMs.

Thus, we consider this sort of weapon unhelpful as a military tool, and extremely harmful for the population of the countries that have implemented their use. Our Federation wishes to express its desire for the complete disappearance of weapons that can do great harm to civilian populations, as a logical extension of our relentless commitment towards a global disarmament.

The Federation of Staffenberg
Ministry of Foreign Affairs
Chargé d’affaires for Global Disarmament

the goverment of the emperor of Urgench agrees with the esteemed ambassador for the Federation of Staffenberg, indeed our mission's Millitary Attache, his excellency Toqtamish khan of Khazan commends the good sense of the esteemed ambassador. an out right ban is infinitely preferable to agreements to mapping only, which in any case will be beset with inumerable inconveniences in implementation.

yours e.t.c.
Toqtamish khan of Khazan, military attache to the permanent mission of Urgench to the world assembly

The Regional Delegate of Konoha does not in any way, shape, or form endorse this issue. The Regional Delegate of Konoha has decided it is best to leave these mines for possible future use.

~Wurmald, Secretary of the Regional Delegate of Konoha, Kazekage no Gaara~

very well i shall rewrite the proposal and show thou fine peoples to see if it is up to scratch and all of us agree

Description:
The Problem: Every year many innocent civilians are needlessly harmed by landmines in war torn countries and or old defensive lines, another problem being mines at sea effect trade by sinking cargo ships, oil tankers ect as well as again the civilian cost.
This is mainly seen in war torn countries locations where hostilities have ceased the consequences can still be in seen.


The Solution: Ban the production and use of mines in all World assembly nations and to bring in a program of cleaning up the mines in areas they have been laid.

The End Result: In war torn nations and in areas of old defensive lines will be cleared by all nations within the World assembly and also clearing mines at sea will allow a safer ocean for both ships and sea creatures. Countless costs relating to healthcare and social welfare will be greatly reduced as the WA is vigilant in enforcing this proposal.


It is thus proposed to make it illegal for member nations to engage in the the use of Land mines. This will greatly reduce the mental, physical and psychological effects land mine use.

What nations must do:
1)Provide man-power to clear mines
2)Provide equipment
3)Provide a sum of money to help pay for the operation (Fund to be created and used for removal and education of the dangers of land mine usage.)
4)Stop production of landmines and dispose of all mines that are being stored
5)Be more vigilant when it comes to cracking down on illegal production of mines.

The WA will oversee disposal of said land mines.

i combined parts of the proposal written by the honourable Selva Amazonia with my own proposal and i must say it is looking alot better for it however keep adding and we shall force this through if its the only proosal i ever get through to vote

Landmines are the most effective way of the Purnellian goverment keeping it's nomadic people from wandering to far. The banning of these mines would be a travesty as small defenceless countries such as Purnelia could no longer oppress and protect thier people.

From the desk of the board of fortune.

may the peoples liberation arm suggest building a wall we shall aid you if you wish with the funding of such a wall

Description:
The Problem: Every year many innocent civilians are needlessly harmed by landmines in war torn countries and or old defensive lines, another problem being mines at sea effect trade by sinking cargo ships, oil tankers ect as well as again the civilian cost.
This is mainly seen in war torn countries locations where hostilities have ceased the consequences can still be in seen.


The Solution: Ban the production and use of mines in all World assembly nations and to bring in a program of cleaning up the mines in areas they have been laid.

The End Result: In war torn nations and in areas of old defensive lines will be cleared by all nations within the World assembly and also clearing mines at sea will allow a safer ocean for both ships and sea creatures. Countless costs relating to healthcare and social welfare will be greatly reduced as the WA is vigilant in enforcing this proposal.


It is thus proposed to make it illegal for member nations to engage in the the use of Land mines. This will greatly reduce the mental, physical and psychological effects land mine use.

What nations must do:
1)Provide man-power to clear mines
2)Provide equipment
3)Provide a sum of money to help pay for the operation (Fund to be created and used for removal and education of the dangers of land mine usage.)
4)Stop production of landmines and dispose of all mines that are being stored
5)Be more vigilant when it comes to cracking down on illegal production of mines.

The WA will oversee disposal of said land mines.

the government of the emperor of urgench would like to remind the highly esteemed ambassador for Peoples Liberation Arm that this resolution must include an indication of what category it is in and of what strength it is and should contain a proper definition of a landmine or otherwise it will be illegal and will not ban anything.

a possible definition could be;

" defines an anti-personnel mine as any munition meant to be placed in or on the ground which is either remotely triggered or triggered by proximity or pressure and which is used to kill or injure combatant soldiers or civilians"

we would also like to again suggest that the matter of anti-shipping mines be left to another resolution since this issue is of a different kind and would probably need a completely different resolution in a different category to be dealt with properly.

once again we commend the ambassador for the Peoples Liberation Arm for their work on this issue.

yours e.t.c.

many thanks and my apology's for forgetting those important issues the peoples liberation arm cannot apoligise more

Description:
The Problem: Every year many innocent civilians are needlessly harmed by landmines in war torn countries and or old defensive lines, as well as again the civilian cost.
This is mainly seen in war torn countries locations where hostilities have ceased the consequences can still be in seen.


The Solution: Ban the production and use of mines in all World assembly nations and to bring in a program of cleaning up the mines in areas they have been laid.

The End Result: In war torn nations and in areas of old defensive lines will be cleared by all nations within the World assembly and also clearing mines at sea will allow a safer ocean for both ships and sea creatures. Countless costs relating to healthcare and social welfare will be greatly reduced as the WA is vigilant in enforcing this proposal.

Landmines being defines an anti-personnel mine as any munition meant to be placed in or on the ground which is either remotely triggered or triggered by proximity or pressure and which is used to kill or injure combatant soldiers or civilians

It is thus proposed to make it illegal for member nations to engage in the the use of Land mines. This will greatly reduce the mental, physical and psychological effects land mine use.

What nations must do:
1)Provide man-power to clear mines
2)Provide equipment
3)Provide a sum of money to help pay for the operation (Fund to be created and used for removal and education of the dangers of land mine usage.)
4)Stop production of landmines and dispose of all mines that are being stored
5)Be more vigilant when it comes to cracking down on illegal production of mines.

The WA will oversee disposal of said land mines.

Landmines are the most effective way of the Purnellian goverment keeping it's nomadic people from wandering to far. The banning of these mines would be a travesty as small defenceless countries such as Purnelia could no longer oppress and protect thier people.

From the desk of the board of fortune.

did thou know that landmines during peace times kill more civilians than the actually during the war
and i do understand that you have the right to keep your peoples oppressed but there are other methods such as and i dont condone this but summary execution has been a popular tool of oppression for hundreds of years

the government of the emperor of urgench is glad you have included a proper definition however there are still no indications of category or strength, which are prerequisites for legality.

there are still problems with the wording, without wishing to be rude is the highly respected ambassador for the People's Liberation Arm's first language english? if not then we and other nations can assist you in rewording the resolution properly if that would be acceptable?

yours sincerely,

if you may my english is not so good i am however not 100% sure on the strength that should be applied.

may i request however that i put the proposition forward when we are done with it if i may be so bold as to request this

may i request however that i put the proposition forward when we are done with it if i may be so bold as to request this



the government of the emperor of urgench would be delighted to help, and assures you that of course this resolution would remain yours competely to put forward as you wish.

your sincerely,

many thanks kind sir
i have just thought of a major flaw with getting this through i understand many people may not use the forums to find out about this act how can we easily get people to support it as if we advertise we may annoy certain nations if they get multiple telegrams on the same topic
its just a thought

Category- Global Dissarmament

Strength- Strong


This resolution will ban the use of Anti-personnel mines,

which it defines as any and all Ordinance which is meant to be placed on or in the ground which may be detonated either remotely or by motion or pressure detection and which is meant to kill or injure soldiers or civilians.

this resolution seeks such a ban in light of the very great number of intended and unintended deaths and injuries inflicted on non-combatant civilians during and after the prosecutions of conflicts in which these mines were laid.

this resolution requires that nations ;

1. cease all production of anti-personnel mines,

2. cease all import or export of these mines except for the purpose of their destruction,

3. cease all stock pilling of these mines, except for the purpose of their decomission,

4. cease all laying of these mines either in peace time or in war,

5. provide accurate mapping of all and any mines laid by them for the purpose of the destruction of these mines,

6. provide adequate funds for the aforementioned destruction,

7. provide adequate funds for the treatment of those civilians injured by mines they have laid,

8. not provide plans for the construction, or materials for the manufacture of these mines to non World Assembly Nations.

9. Begin and in as relatively swift a time as possible finish the process of destroying any and all Anti-personnel mines in their posession or within their territory,

All of these above provisions should be carried out emediately where stated or within as short a time period as practicality will allow.





here is the revised draft of this resolution as requested by the Highly Esteemed Ambassador for The Peoples Liberation Arm from the Permanent Mission of the Empire of Urgench to the World Assembly, we hope it meets with the Esteemed Ambassador's approval, please let us know if you wish to ammend or further revise it,

yours e.t.c.

I keep seeing this topic as "Banning of Mimes" act. Now that's something I could get behind.

many thanks kind sir
i have just thought of a major flaw with getting this through i understand many people may not use the forums to find out about this act how can we easily get people to support it as if we advertise we may annoy certain nations if they get multiple telegrams on the same topic
its just a thought

the government of the emperor of Urgench suggests that there is no need to worry about this because those nations directly interested will involve themselves in this debate anyway, and should this resolution reach Quorum and be brought before the w.a. it will not need to be advertised as you put it anyway.

yours e.t.c. ,

Category- Global Disarmament

Strength- Strong

This resolution will ban the use of Anti-personnel/Anti vehicle mines,

Description:
The Problem: Every year many innocent civilians are needlessly harmed by landmines in war torn countries and or old defensive lines, as well as again the civilian cost.
This is mainly seen in war torn countries locations where hostilities have ceased the consequences can still be in seen.
This resolution seeks such a ban in light of the very great number of intended and unintended deaths and injuries inflicted on non-combatant civilians during and after the prosecutions of conflicts in which these mines were laid.

The Solution: Ban the production and use of mines in all World assembly nations and to bring in a program of cleaning up the mines in areas they have been laid.

The End Result: In war torn nations and in areas of old defensive lines will be cleared by all nations within the World assembly and also clearing mines at sea will allow a safer ocean for both ships and sea creatures. Countless costs relating to healthcare and social welfare will be greatly reduced as the WA is vigilant in enforcing this proposal.

Landmines being defines an anti-personnel mine as any munition meant to be placed in or on the ground which is either remotely triggered or triggered by proximity or pressure and which is used to kill or injure combatant soldiers or civilians

It is thus proposed to make it illegal for member nations to engage in the the use of Land mines. This will greatly reduce the mental, physical and psychological effects land mine use.

What nations must do:
1)Provide man-power to clear mines
2)Provide equipment
3)Provide a sum of money that can be afforded by member nations to help pay for the operation (Fund to be created and used for removal and education of the dangers of land mine usage.)
4) Cease production of landmines and dispose of all mines that are being stored
5) Be more vigilant when it comes to cracking down on illegal production of mines.
6). Cease all import or export of these mines except for the purpose of their destruction,
7) Cease all stock pilling of these mines, except for the purpose of their decommission,
8) Cease all laying of these mines either in peace time or in war,
9) Provide accurate mapping of all and any mines laid by them for the purpose of the destruction of said ordinance.
10) Provide adequate funds for the treatment of those civilians injured by mines they have laid.
11) Must not provide plans for the construction, or materials for the manufacture of these mines to non World Assembly Nations.
12) Begin and in as relatively swift a time as possible finish the process of destroying any and all Anti-personnel mines in their possession or within their territory.

All of these above provisions should be carried out immediately where stated or within as short a time period as practicality will allow.

The WA will oversee disposal of said land mines.

i beleive the aboveshouldbe proficient for now and unless more nations wish to add to it i think this may be the one to put forward pardoning the ambassadors big headedness

I keep seeing this topic as "Banning of Mimes" act. Now that's something I could get behind.

hmm i see maybe we could count on your support if we come up with a proposition on that afterwards but for now may we stay on topic

i beleive the aboveshouldbe proficient for now and unless more nations wish to add to it i think this may be the one to put forward pardoning the ambassadors big headedness


the government of the emperor of Urgench wishes to point out that your version of this resolution includes an introduction which is not necessary or well written, you should make arguments for the resolution in the debate not in the actual resolution because there is a word limit for resolutions and since they are laws resolutions should be as clear as possible, we have no problem with you using the revisions we suggested as long as you include them in a properly written resolution and at least thank us for our help, you should also wait for other nations to contribute to the debate before submitting it to the w.a. these nations will have usefull advice which you should take and thank them for.

yours e.t.c.

Delegate Skyfire: "The Constitutional Monarchy of MightyCyberton admires the spirit and dedication of the Peoples liberation arm towards this matter. We certainly agree that their delegation should be the one to lead the charge and have them submit the finished proposal. However, as to the actual wording of the proposal we believe that the one written by the honorable delegation from The Empire of Urgench will be better received.

However, there is a small concern that Delegate Jazz and I feel needs to be addressed. It is possible that the nation who put down the anti-personnel devices is either destroyed at the end of the conflict or does not have the means to clear the devices at the conflict's conclusion. We there fore suggest that this proposal establish, as one of its provisions, a Anti-Personnel Device Fund to assist in the clean up efforts.

Delegate Skyfire: "The Constitutional Monarchy of MightyCyberton admires the spirit and dedication of the Peoples liberation arm towards this matter. We certainly agree that their delegation should be the one to lead the charge and have them submit the finished proposal. However, as to the actual wording of the proposal we believe that the one written by the honorable delegation from The Empire of Urgench will be better received.

However, there is a small concern that Delegate Jazz and I feel needs to be addressed. It is possible that the nation who put down the anti-personnel devices is either destroyed at the end of the conflict or does not have the means to clear the devices at the conflict's conclusion. We there fore suggest that this proposal establish, as one of its provisions, a Anti-Personnel Device Fund to assist in the clean up efforts.

the government of the emperor thanks the respected ambassador for the Constitutional Monarchy of MightyCybertron for their confidence in our abilities.

you are correct that defeated nations after a war will have no abilities to decommission mines they have laid, however after the ban comes into force that issue should never arise again,
in the case of nations who currently have no resources following a war in which they laid mines is more tricky, the setting up of a fund for such a thing would be very difficult and would need almost another resolution to construct it legally and might be illegal according to the rules for the writing of resolutions.

another provision could be added to make victorious nations in such a war help the defeated nation clear all mines or alternatively a provision could be added which would require regional assistance to be provided to such nations, would either of these be satisfactory?

yours e.t.c.

the government of the emperor thanks the respected ambassador for the Constitutional Monarchy of MightyCybertron for their confidence in our abilities.

you are correct that defeated nations after a war will have no abilities to decommission mines they have laid, however after the ban comes into force that issue should never arise again,
in the case of nations who currently have no resources following a war in which they laid mines is more tricky, the setting up of a fund for such a thing would be very difficult and would need almost another resolution to construct it legally and might be illegal according to the rules for the writing of resolutions.

another provision could be added to make victorious nations in such a war help the defeated nation clear all mines or alternatively a provision could be added which would require regional assistance to be provided to such nations, would either of these be satisfactory?

yours e.t.c.

Delegate Jazz of The Constitutional Monarchy of MightyCyberton delegation stands as Delegate Skyfire sits for a moment.

Delegate Jazz: "The Constitutional Monarchy of MightyCyberton was indeed refering to nations who have laid mines prior to this proposal going into effect. We understand the need for there to be a second proposal dealing with a fund or decommissioning mines. However, we are intrigue by you suggest that the victor be responsible for clearing up mine fields, but also liked the reguire regional assistance. If we add a provision requiring regional assistance it might help deter the use of mines ever further. The region would put pressure upon the warring nations that might even prevent the war itself. Both would be a nice side effect of such a provision.

Purnelia gladly accepts the building of a wall and will look into summary execution. Mines were inefficient often killing are own troops please send wall supplys asap

Purnelia gladly accepts the building of a wall and will look into summary execution. Mines were inefficient often killing are own troops please send wall supplys asap

the peoples liberation arms contractors and suppliers shall be delivering supplies and man power within the next few days.
our nation is pleased you have seen things through a new set of eyes.

I shall also like to say i think that the extra suggestions are extremely good and will help substantially
however my regional allies beleive that the opening is essential so as to add more infomation to the act

The People's Republic of GreatTree, while saddened by the suffering of innocent civilians at the hands of these weapons of war, also feels it necessary to call for acknowledgment of the financial impact to less powerful nations. While the goal of this resolution is noble and good, I must question the wisdom in removing greater responsibility from those involved in using such weaponry.

Would it not be beneficial to add a provision to the act that requires the nations at fault to offer greater contributions than the less capable or guiltless nations? I do not see the justice in asking those who have strive for peace to offer an amount equal to those who have lobbied for war.

Once again, I would like to state that the president of GreatTree finds this goal to be of the most noble intentions. We thank the people's liberation arm for their fine work, and look forward to your consideration of our proposal.

Regards,
The People's Republic of GreatTree

As the topic of munitions and what is humane has been on the table a lot recently, I would like to point out this states prior and future stance.

Weapons are designed to kill, maim, injure, and prevent the enemy from accomplishing their objectives, if not destroy them entirly.

As I, in the capacity of representation for the Western Civil Alliance, have stated before.

As an offensive weapon you would be correct in saying that mines are not as effective, what you negate is the fact the Anti-personnel and anti-armor Mines are a denial weapon.

Let me clarify before puns are put into my mouth, before this assembly.

The use of any of these weapons are to deny the ability for the enemy to move freely. This in fact redirects the movements of the enemy, and funnels them into a point where the opposing force then engages the enemy on their terms. This is an important factor of strategy in any tactical engagement.
Also as a denial weapon system, placed in such places like the borders of Demilitarized Zones, these are used very effectively.

These systems not just have their worth fundamentally, but In this Ambassadors own experience, I have seen the measures and security such said devices provide, and have called upon them to save the lives of comrades in arms, and my very self.

His Most Holy Imperal Majesty of Western Pacific Asia, Akiroto I wishes it to be known that he personally believes it would be wrong to place the troops of a any nation in danger by denying them such a useful tool and that the WA delegates who raised this issue have a secret agenda of eliminating the tools of their rivals so as to have an advantag should they ever "forsake peace".

HMHIM Akiroto does agree however than all mines should have self destruct devices of some kind so that they may be rendered harmless after hostilities have ceased.

His Most Holy Imperal Majesty of Western Pacific Asia, Akiroto I wishes it to be known that he personally believes it would be wrong to place the troops of a any nation in danger by denying them such a useful tool and that the WA delegates who raised this issue have a secret agenda of eliminating the tools of their rivals so as to have an advantag should they ever "forsake peace".

HMHIM Akiroto does agree however than all mines should have self destruct devices of some kind so that they may be rendered harmless after hostilities have ceased.

Delegate Jazz: "The Constitutional Monarchy of MightyCyberton ardently opposes and denies the cynical view set forth be the delegation from The Holy Empire of West Pacific Asia. I can assure you that The Constitutional Monarchy of MightyCyberton has no designs on the conquest of any nation let alone the world. I would bet my nation's borders that The Empire of Urgench and Peoples liberation arm are of the same option, To make such a presumptuous statement is unbecoming of a nation. It is shameful that any nation who tries to make the world a better place is accused of having a hidden agenda. As nations we must not be so suspicious all the time. Is it that hard to believe that the nations dealing with this subject had the purest of intention. I can assure you that most if not all of us do.

I see you've submitted this. For the record, I'd just like to say that the title you submitted this under "This resolution will ban the u" absolutly sucks.

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

His Most Holy Imperal Majesty of Western Pacific Asia, Akiroto I wishes it to be known that he personally believes it would be wrong to place the troops of a any nation in danger by denying them such a useful tool and that the WA delegates who raised this issue have a secret agenda of eliminating the tools of their rivals so as to have an advantag should they ever "forsake peace".

HMHIM Akiroto does agree however than all mines should have self destruct devices of some kind so that they may be rendered harmless after hostilities have ceased.

(khan Mongkha smiles and roles his eyes and whispers something to his assistant which makes them both laugh)


The government of the emperor of Urgench wishes to reassure the most highly respected ambassador for Western Pacific Asia that we and we suspect the Peoples Liberation Arm have no designs on your nation's freedom and for that matter on any other nation's.

Our colleague the esteemed ambassador for MightyCybertron is absolutely correct, our only concern is with the lives of innocent civilians including the citizens of Western Pacific Asia being blighted or ended by a class of weapon which has been shown to be of little legitimate use and is a tool of oppression.

we respect the pro-mine position your nation holds, and believe you may have sincere reasons for holding such beliefs, it would be fair if you could offer those who disagree with you the same respect.

(khan mongkha yawns and shuffles his papers and then looks at his watch)

yours in absolute sincerety,

land mines should be banned. who knows when an innocent bystander accidentaly gets within range and sets off the mine without knowing.we had enough innocent people getting injured and/or killed by stray bullets, aftershocks of bombs. THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!! INNOCENNT KIDS SETTING OFF MINES JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE PLAYING SOCCER!

I think that they should not be banned. But instead it should be the job of the county that planted the mines to keep specific records of where they are, for clean up in a later date. In times of war if a large country, with a large army, decides to attack a smaller county that country should be able to use whatever means necessary to defend against them. If land mines are the best option then they should be able to use them.

As the topic of munitions and what is humane has been on the table a lot recently, I would like to point out this states prior and future stance.

Weapons are designed to kill, maim, injure, and prevent the enemy from accomplishing their objectives, if not destroy them entirly.

As I, in the capacity of representation for the Western Civil Alliance, have stated before.

As an offensive weapon you would be correct in saying that mines are not as effective, what you negate is the fact the Anti-personnel and anti-armor Mines are a denial weapon.

Let me clarify before puns are put into my mouth, before this assembly.

The use of any of these weapons are to deny the ability for the enemy to move freely. This in fact redirects the movements of the enemy, and funnels them into a point where the opposing force then engages the enemy on their terms. This is an important factor of strategy in any tactical engagement.
Also as a denial weapon system, placed in such places like the borders of Demilitarized Zones, these are used very effectively.

These systems not just have their worth fundamentally, but In this Ambassadors own experience, I have seen the measures and security such said devices provide, and have called upon them to save the lives of comrades in arms, and my very self.

good sir i do see your point but in this day and age mines are almost completely useless due to new technology and stronger armour plating and the use of airborne infantry

good sir i do see your point but in this day and age mines are almost completely useless due to new technology and stronger armour plating and the use of airborne infantry
OOC: There are nations in NS that aren't in "this day and age"...

this is why the WA exists for the peaceful co-existance between nations and the sharing of technologies such as aircraft for example

the government of the emperor of Urgench wonders if the respected ambassador for Peoples liberation Arm is suggesting that aircraft should be provided to nations who's cvilisation is medieval in character? nations who's people are only familiar with bows and arrows or swords? the ambassador should remember that these nations choose to live in this fashion.

yours e.t.c.

my apolagies i was being rash and forget that not all countries beleive in technological break throughs for whatever reasons

This resolution will ban the use of Anti-personnel/Anti vehicle mines,

Description:
The Problem: Every year many innocent civilians are needlessly harmed by landmines in war torn countries and or old defensive lines, as well as again the civilian cost.
This is mainly seen in war torn countries locations where hostilities have ceased the consequences can still be in seen.
This resolution seeks such a ban in light of the very great number of intended and unintended deaths and injuries inflicted on non-combatant civilians during and after the prosecutions of conflicts in which these mines were laid.

The Solution: Ban the production and use of mines in all Allied Socialist Communist Republic Nations and to bring in a program of cleaning up the mines in areas they have been laid.

The End Result: In war torn nations and in areas of old defensive lines will be cleared by all nations within the Allied Socialist Communist Republic Nations and also clearing mines at sea will allow a safer ocean for both ships and sea creatures. Countless costs relating to healthcare and social welfare will be greatly reduced as the Allied Socialist Communist Republic Nations is vigilant in enforcing this proposal.

Landmines being defines an anti-personnel mine as any munitions meant to be placed in or on the ground which is either remotely triggered or triggered by proximity or pressure and which is used to kill or injure combatant soldiers or civilians

It is thus proposed to make it illegal for member nations to engage in the use of Land mines. This will greatly reduce the mental, physical and psychological effects land mine use.

What nations must do:
1)Provide man-power to clear mines
2)Provide equipment
3)Provide a sum of money that can be afforded by member nations to help pay for the operation (Fund to be created and used for removal and education of the dangers of land mine usage.)
4) Cease production of landmines and dispose of all mines that are being stored
5) Become more vigilant when it comes to cracking down on illegal production of mines.
6). Cease all import or export of these mines except for the purpose of their destruction,
7) Cease all stock pilling of these mines, except for the purpose of their decommission,
8) Cease all laying of these mines either in peace time or in war,
9) Provide accurate mapping of all and any mines laid by them for the purpose of the destruction of said ordinance.
10) Provide adequate funds for the treatment of those civilians injured by mines they have laid.
11) Must not provide plans for the construction, or materials for the manufacture of these mines to non Allied Socialist Communist Republic Nations.
12) Begin and in as relatively swift a time as possible finish the process of destroying any and all Anti-personnel mines in their possession or within their territory.

All of these above provisions should be carried out immediately where stated or within as short a time period as practicality will allow.

This resolution will ban the use of Anti-personnel/Anti vehicle mines,

Yay! I can contact all of the nations that hate the WA and tell them it's perfectly fine for them to roll in heavy armor and infantry! No mines, less worries about the armor being easily stopped!

Maybe I can get them to spare the nations that mine is currently holding in favor...

Description:
The Problem: Every year many innocent civilians are needlessly harmed by landmines in war torn countries and or old defensive lines, as well as again the civilian cost.
This is mainly seen in war torn countries locations where hostilities have ceased the consequences can still be in seen.
This resolution seeks such a ban in light of the very great number of intended and unintended deaths and injuries inflicted on non-combatant civilians during and after the prosecutions of conflicts in which these mines were laid.

The Solution: Ban the production and use of mines in all Allied Socialist Communist Republic Nations and to bring in a program of cleaning up the mines in areas they have been laid.

...

I had to actually look that term up to see what you were trying to do with it. In effect, what you are doing is banning the use of landmines by a very specific and very limited type of government simply because you believe they're a bad thing and that they hurt civilians if not cleaned up.

I'm pretty sure this is illegal simply for that reason.

The End Result: In war torn nations and in areas of old defensive lines will be cleared by all nations within the Allied Socialist Communist Republic Nations and also clearing mines at sea will allow a safer ocean for both ships and sea creatures. Countless costs relating to healthcare and social welfare will be greatly reduced as the Allied Socialist Communist Republic Nations is vigilant in enforcing this proposal.[quote]

See above.

[quote]Landmines being defines an anti-personnel mine as any munitions meant to be placed in or on the ground which is either remotely triggered or triggered by proximity or pressure and which is used to kill or injure combatant soldiers or civilians

It is thus proposed to make it illegal for member nations to engage in the use of Land mines. This will greatly reduce the mental, physical and psychological effects land mine use.

This contradicts an earlier statement.

Also, your definition is very... odd.

What nations must do:
1)Provide man-power to clear mines
2)Provide equipment
3)Provide a sum of money that can be afforded by member nations to help pay for the operation (Fund to be created and used for removal and education of the dangers of land mine usage.)
4) Cease production of landmines and dispose of all mines that are being stored
5) Become more vigilant when it comes to cracking down on illegal production of mines.
6). Cease all import or export of these mines except for the purpose of their destruction,
7) Cease all stock pilling of these mines, except for the purpose of their decommission,
8) Cease all laying of these mines either in peace time or in war,
9) Provide accurate mapping of all and any mines laid by them for the purpose of the destruction of said ordinance.
10) Provide adequate funds for the treatment of those civilians injured by mines they have laid.
11) Must not provide plans for the construction, or materials for the manufacture of these mines to non Allied Socialist Communist Republic Nations.
12) Begin and in as relatively swift a time as possible finish the process of destroying any and all Anti-personnel mines in their possession or within their territory.

All of these above provisions should be carried out immediately where stated or within as short a time period as practicality will allow.

Why not mandate that nations simply clean up minefields between wars? Simpler language, and it allows the mines to be used in defensive ways without crippling the WA.

Diplomat Asuka Felna

Or focus on a more worrying problem...mimes

Or focus on a more worrying problem...mimes

Which begs the question, If you shoot a mime in the forest does it make a sound? And more importantly, does anyone care?

Timothy Schmidt
Bob Flibble's PA