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I can tell I'm going to get a lot of flak for this one. My first proposal, too. Oh well, just remember to attempt taking this in with as little bias as possible, for or against it. I, of course, welcome constructive criticism, whether it focuses on mechanics, content, or both. Shouting matches, eh, not so keen on those. Let's have those privately...(Let the hatemail commence? :p) ;)
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CATEGORY: Political Stability (Limiting Personal Freedoms in the interest of Law and Order)
STRENGTH: Strong
DESCRIPTION: The World Assembly,

RECOGNIZING the crimes of unchecked Organized Religion throughout History, which has caused much unnecessary suffering for no purpose,

FURTHER NOTING that Organized Religion, in many forms, stops an individual from forming his/her own beliefs on the nature of the universe, thusly forming increasingly myopic beliefs by product of Organized Religion's mere continued existence,

CONCLUDING that the benefits of allowing such organizations freedom to exist without check are indeed infringing upon greater individual freedoms and the overall good of Humanity,

DEFINES a spiritual organization as an organization that proclaims any greater truth about a higher order of the cosmos, or any organization that claims to aid an individual in their understanding of themselves or the greater universe through illogical or non-logical means,

PROHIBITS until such time as this resolution is repealed the existence of any tax-free spiritual organizations in any WA member-state, requiring at least a 3% tax on any and all income of the said organization(s) to the sitting government of any WA member state from any and all spiritual organizations,

USES the existing law enforcement entities of all WA member-nations to enforce the previous prohibition on a national basis,

ENCOURAGES all peoples to investigate their own beliefs, and form their own spiritual conclusions on the cosmos, and

FURTHER ENCOURAGES the World Assembly to consider more active proposals in limiting the spread of myopic thought in all it's forms.

Also, this is actually a proposal up for approval right now. Top of page 5, last time I checked. Look this over, and if it floats your boat, show your approval! Thanks for taking some of your time to read this and make your decision!

EDIT: Category and Strength: Political Stability, Strong. Sorry I didn't say so before.

Category? Strength?

I strongly protest this proposal. Our research funding is limited as it stands - in Quintessence of Dust, biomedical research has been prioritised over the physical sciences for several years now, perhaps not coincidentally since we elected a biochemist Prime Minister - and the idea of giving up 3% of that deeply affronts me, as does the categorisation of my research as 'myopic'. This cut will mean we will never be able to afford the new Large Hadron Collider we've been pushing for for years. It's a good job you included that line about enforcement: the government is going to need to send the armed police into my lab before I surrender 3% of my budget!

-- Professor Spiet van Tinkel
President, Quintessential Association of Theoretical Physicists
Director, Centre for High Energy Particle Research
Quintessence of Dust

Fortunately, the proposal outlaws only "non-logical or illogical" organizations. Since no religion with which I am familiar with meets that definition, Lost Cove will feel free to see this Resolution take absolutely no local effect if passed.

Ambassador Doraan T. Dhakaar
Observer Delegate to the W.A. (pending admission)
Grand Duchy of Lost Cove
Suanar Core region

Uhm...ok, then.

Is this an RP Forum, or did someone go totally bonkers? Also, dude, I was unaware that you deemed science as Illogical, Director. :rolleyes:

I don't consider science 'illogical'. I do, however, consider it, in the case of my work, to aim at revealing greater truth about the cosmos. For what greater truth can there be than the possible discovery of the Higgs Boson, the theoretical particle that could have 'started it all'? The qualifier in your proposal is 'or'.

But if you change the qualifier to 'and', I still don't agree with your proposal. How are we going to decide what is 'illogical'? There are people in my nation who object to the construction of a LHC, because they believe the reactions would create 'micro black holes'. They would, presumably, charge that the destruction of all known life in pursuit of largely theoretical ends is 'illogical'. (I happen to find their accusations silly, but that's neither here nor there.)

There is an additional difficulty. The WA is prohibited from banning types of government, and that includes theocracies. So while this this proposal may not be technically illegal, it is at least not very politik. You don't like these people: I get it. I'm not sure you should get an entire law to yourself proclaiming your dislike. Personally, I dislike clowns. (I had a childhood experience I'd rather not relive.) Can I get one removing any arts funding for circuses?

-- Prof. van Tinkel

Yes, people often reply in-character; it's not a problem if you don't like that, though.

The people of my nation know how to tell a charlatan from a Charlemagne. We'll continue to rely on their ability to do so.

Due to strict laws banning public funding for them the organized religions are already self reliant in my nation, I can't see the need to tax their income any more than any other public entity while we expressly forbid public funding for them. They are taxed the same as all and we wont change our tax laws simply because a member nation in the WA feels the need to, nor do we feel the need to punish them world wide.

If you don't agree with organized religions and theocracies then ban them or tax the hell out of them (pun not intended) in your nation, don't go world wide with your hatred.

Ambassador Nigel S Youlkin
The United States of Philimbesi

the government of the emperor of urgench sympathises with the beliefs of the honoured ambassador for Renewed Life, but we cannot support this proposed resolution. there are no organised religions in urgench and we are an un-superstitious people but we could not condone any one nations views on religion being imposed upon the world assembly. this means both pro-religious views and anti-religious views. we feel that matters of personal concience are exactly that, personal, and that it is innapropriate for the w.a. to interpose itself in this area. this resolution would threaten the ability of member nations to govern themselves as they see fit and would therefore be highly contentious and doubtless destabilising to international peace.

yours e.t.c. Mongkha, khan of kashgar, ambassador to the world assembly for urgench.

We sorely appreciate your efforts to enforce your country's bigotry upon the rest of the world. To aid you in the writing of your abominable resolution, we suggest deleting the phrase "until such time as this resolution is repealed" from Section 5 of your resolution. It seems to be redundant; repeal of this horrible resolution (if it even passes) will automatically revoke your grossly obtrusive blanket prohibition of tax-free statuses of religious organizations - no need to say it.

Capt. Bruno Morcone, ARNb
Military Attaché at the Royal Permanent Nord-Brutlandese Mission to the World Assembly

We sorely appreciate your efforts to enforce your country's bigotry upon the rest of the world. To aid you in the writing of your abominable resolution, we suggest deleting the phrase "until such time as this resolution is repealed" from Section 5 of your resolution. It seems to be redundant; repeal of this horrible resolution (if it even passes) will automatically revoke your grossly obtrusive blanket prohibition of tax-free statuses of religious organizations - no need to say it.

Capt. Bruno Morcone, ARNb
Military Attaché at the Royal Permanent Nord-Brutlandese Mission to the World Assembly


the government of the emperor of urgench would like to remind the esteemed military attache that the author of this proposal has stressed that this is their first proposed resolution and that therefore patience in dealing with it would be highly advisable. we also wonder what possible benefit a millitary perspective could offer this debate?

yours e.t.c. Mongkha, khan of kashgar, ambassador to the world assembly for urgench

We would gently chide the honoured Khan for his words. Not only did Captain Bruno offer improving thoughts, however couched, for this proposal, we have to consider that the military view is at least as relevant as the political view in matters spiritual.

We would gently chide the honoured Khan for his words. Not only did Captain Bruno offer improving thoughts, however couched, for this proposal, we have to consider that the military view is at least as relevant as the political view in matters spiritual.


the government of the emperor of urgench defers to the great wisdom of the esteemed ambassador for Gobbannium in all things, and that is why we presume that they must surely be having some fun at our exspense.
how calling a first time contributor of legislation a "bigot", and their resolution "abominable" and "horrible" is improving we cannot comprehend, so we presume it is your wise ambassadors sophisticated sense of humour which has gone quite over our heads.
we still require clarification on how the millitary interacts with the spiritual? perhaps the great ambassador could enlighten us?


yours e.t.c. Mongkha, khan of kashgar, ambassador to the world assembly for urgench

the government of the emperor of urgench would like to remind the esteemed military attache that the author of this proposal has stressed that this is their first proposed resolution and that therefore patience in dealing with it would be highly advisable. we also wonder what possible benefit a millitary perspective could offer this debate?

yours e.t.c. Mongkha, khan of kashgar, ambassador to the world assembly for urgench
While I can admire working delegations, I do not have patience for bigoted resolutions. However, I would still try to help improve the draft grammatically, but not even my suggestion that Section 8 should read "FURTHER ENCOURAGES the World Assembly to consider more active proposals in limiting the spread of myopic thought in all its forms" would make this resolution any less intolerant.

Oh, and for that "military perspective" you are looking for?

http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/2059/explodeno0.gif
This.

Capt. Bruno Morcone, ARNb
Military Attaché at the Royal Permanent Nord-Brutlandese Mission to the World Assembly



OOC: @Urgench: I used the term "bigot" for the country, not the poster; moreover, that was an in-character post describing something one of the meaner members of the Nord-Brutlandese delegation said. I have nothing against Renewed Life or you for that matter, in fact, I would like to commend Renewed Life for trying to write a resolution, though much polishing needs to be done (that's why I'm still giving suggestions). ;) Capt. Morcone just doesn't like fluffiness. :D

While I can admire working delegations, I do not have patience for bigoted resolutions. However, I would still try to help improve the draft grammatically, but not even my suggestion that Section 8 should read "FURTHER ENCOURAGES the World Assembly to consider more active proposals in limiting the spread of myopic thought in all its forms" would make this resolution any less intolerant.

Oh, and for that "military perspective" you are looking for?

http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/2059/explodeno0.gif
This.

Capt. Bruno Morcone, ARNb
Military Attaché at the Royal Permanent Nord-Brutlandese Mission to the World Assembly



OOC: @Urgench: I used the term "bigot" for the country, not the poster; moreover, that was an in-character post describing something one of the meaner members of the Nord-Brutlandese delegation said. I have nothing against Renewed Life or you for that matter, in fact, I would like to commend Renewed Life for trying to write a resolution, though much polishing needs to be done (that's why I'm still giving suggestions). ;) Capt. Morcone just doesn't like fluffiness. :D

the government of the emperor of urgench wishes to assure the Royal and Permanent Nord-Brutlandese mission to the world assembly that we agree with you, that the proposed resolution of the ambassador for Renewed life is poorly written. we go further than that and have already suggested that the purpose of the proposal is innapropriate for consideration of this body.
our only concern was that your nations respected millitary attache had gone too far in his criticism of a first time legislator. we stand by that assertion.
it being pointed out to us that the honoured millitary attache called the entire nation of Renewed Life bigoted only increases our concern. that would seem even more rash and un-diplomatic.

as to the image of a thermo-nuclear explosion you provided us with as an exsposition of your great nations theories concerning the role of the millitary in religious discourse, we can only say that we choose to be non-plused as to it's import, since the only possible deduction to be made from it is that your great nations government must have a very troubled view of the inner life of sentient beings if this image represents a possible appreciation of it.

we would like to assure the honoured delegacy of Nord-brutland that we too are only concerned with legislative rectitude and not with settling petty scores.

yours e.t.c. Mongkha, khan of kashgar, ambassador to the world assembly for urgench.


(O.O.C. Mongkha can be very old fashioned and grumpy sometimes, sorry. he just hates anything that smells of "un-parliamentary language" or bullying is all, it's not personal ;) )

Is this an RP Forum, or did someone go totally bonkers?

OOC: Yes.

The proposal does not go far enough. Organized religions need to be banned from appearing in public. This must include any kind of gatherings or holding properties.

Now, I feel that those who have replied here, at least, have misinterpreted the goal of this resolution.

The goal is not to ban spirituality. Quite the opposite, actually. The goal is to stop the hazards of theocratic, one-minded belief from limiting the natural human freedom of thought. If you're raised in one belief system rigorously, you generally are biased towards it, and are unwilling to accept alternate belief systems from your own. This resolution is merely a symbolic, yet small, step towards overall harmony, where humanity as a whole can believe whatever they want without subliminal and unnecessary influence from society.

I rather object to being called a bigot, even "IC" (Seriously guys, this isn't a RP forum. I don't mind you RPing here though, at least until you start insulting me with it, even if it isn't meant seriously. That's rather annoying, and unnecessary). However, thanks for the suggestions. I'll be revising it a little later today.

(Seriously guys, this isn't a RP forum.)

Actually, it is. Semi-RP is how I describe it. If people (like me) have unsigned posts, it's typically considered Out of Character, but if they sign it with some sort of WA representative rank, consider those posts to be In Character.

I must add that if your goal was to enhance spirituality, you chose words with a relatively high negative index to express that goal. Calling the opposition "myopic" or "illogical" isn't likely to endear them to your cause.

Well, I don't deny it needs revising. But still, I'm trying to get that point across.

Now, I feel that those who have replied here, at least, have misinterpreted the goal of this resolution.

The goal is not to ban spirituality. Quite the opposite, actually. The goal is to stop the hazards of theocratic, one-minded belief from limiting the natural human freedom of thought. If you're raised in one belief system rigorously, you generally are biased towards it, and are unwilling to accept alternate belief systems from your own. This resolution is merely a symbolic, yet small, step towards overall harmony, where humanity as a whole can believe whatever they want without subliminal and unnecessary influence from society.

I rather object to being called a bigot, even "IC" (Seriously guys, this isn't a RP forum. I don't mind you RPing here though, at least until you start insulting me with it, even if it isn't meant seriously. That's rather annoying, and unnecessary). However, thanks for the suggestions. I'll be revising it a little later today.

the goverment of the emperor of urgench wishes to applaud your efforts, we do sympathise with your aims, but many many other nations will not and it is therefore vital that you use as little inflammatory language as possible to get your point across.

yours e.t.c. Mongkha, khan of kashgar, ambassador to the world assembly for urgench.

O.O.C. you should be aware that this is generaly an r.p. forum, i almost never make out of character comments and i am by no means alone, but not all use r.p. as a weapon.

the goverment of the emperor of urgench wishes to applaud your efforts, we do sympathise with your aims, but many many other nations will not and it is therefore vital that you use as little inflammatory language as possible to get your point across.

Exactly, which is why I need everyone to tell me (preferably politely :p) how to make this as true to its goals as possible. If you're irked by something, tell me what and I'll try to edit this. Suggestions are encouraged here!

Ok. I have to say I disagree, and I'll say why. I understand your point that people who are part of an organized religion are confined to thise beliefs. However they join that religion with their own consent and choose to adhere to those beliefs. I also disagree with the imposed on religious organizations. But I will say I'm glad to see a free thinker out there.

SNA

Well, for a start, I maintain theoretical physics aims to reveal greater truths about the cosmos. Your proposal 'DEFINES a spiritual organization as an organization that proclaims any greater truth about a higher order of the cosmos, or'. So this needs amending, unless you sincerely believe physics is a manifestation of organized religion.

SNA: I believe you misread it.

It's pretty undeniable that when you grow up in a belief system, you are generally biased towards it through no choice of your own or merit of the system of belief. Thus, we must seek to ensure that all methods of belief are presented as equally as possible, hence the aim of this proposal.

SNA: I believe you misread it.

It's pretty undeniable that when you grow up in a belief system, you are generally biased towards it through no choice of your own or merit of the system of belief. Thus, we must seek to ensure that all methods of belief are presented as equally as possible, hence the aim of this proposal.

the government of the emperor of urgench puts it to the honoured ambassador for Renewed Life that this idea would lead to the teaching of of religious cosmogeny as some how equal and a viable alternative to scientific theory on the origins of the universe and life in it. is this the intention of the honoured ambassador?

I would like to ask the representative from Renewed Life just how this is supposed to work with any sort of theocratic state. Does the Church, which is also the government, have to tax itself? And then does the revenue generated by those taxes then, themselves, have to be taxed? In theory, we might generate infinite funds this way... Except that such a thing is impossible.

As far as proposals go against religions, this is one of the mildest I've seen. It's still a bad idea, at least in it's currently written form. Sadly, exclusionary text is prohibited, unless one of the (great and wise) overlords would permit an exclusion for theocracies from such taxes. And those last two clauses simply must go. You may believe religion to be a myopic form of thought, and perhaps even a plague on 'Humanity', but there are many who believe otherwise.

As I'm sure you're not aware, allow me to inform you of a rather important fact so that you can reply properly to my arguments. The Sacred Kingdom of Karianis is a theocracy. We are ruled by Her Divine Grace, Queen of Karianis, who is also High Priestess and direct conduit for our Lady's work in the mortal realm. Our laws prohibit any citizen of Karianis from following a different religion, and requires those who wish to follow a different faith to leave the country, although they receive funds from the government to aid them in finding a new life elsewhere. Completely contrary to what you may believe, our people enjoy a high level of living, and are not clouded in their thoughts. Your prejudices against religion are not particularly appreciated.

Lady Serifina Karin
Ambassador to the World Assembly
Sacred Kingdom of Karianis

Here is a good idea. How about separating religion from the state? This means, that Religious groups or bodies may not influence any government. Our country has seen massive benefits a result of the separation, and by extending the laws within the WA, people regardless of belief have an equal chance to participate in politics.

Here is a good idea. How about separating religion from the state?

We too have this separation in that our government can not endorse one religion over another nor can one church (or any for that matter) claim sovereignty over the state. However I would remind the good ambassador from Charlotte Ryberg that the WA is made up of many different types of governments and the very idea of the WA is one is not better than the others. Theocracies are just as viable a national make up as a democratically elected, as are socialist as are all the others.

Ambassador Nigel S Youlkin
The United States of Philimbesi

I would like to ask the representative from Renewed Life just how this is supposed to work with any sort of theocratic state. Does the Church, which is also the government, have to tax itself? And then does the revenue generated by those taxes then, themselves, have to be taxed? In theory, we might generate infinite funds this way... Except that such a thing is impossible.

As far as proposals go against religions, this is one of the mildest I've seen. It's still a bad idea, at least in it's currently written form. Sadly, exclusionary text is prohibited, unless one of the (great and wise) overlords would permit an exclusion for theocracies from such taxes. And those last two clauses simply must go. You may believe religion to be a myopic form of thought, and perhaps even a plague on 'Humanity', but there are many who believe otherwise.

As I'm sure you're not aware, allow me to inform you of a rather important fact so that you can reply properly to my arguments. The Sacred Kingdom of Karianis is a theocracy. We are ruled by Her Divine Grace, Queen of Karianis, who is also High Priestess and direct conduit for our Lady's work in the mortal realm. Our laws prohibit any citizen of Karianis from following a different religion, and requires those who wish to follow a different faith to leave the country, although they receive funds from the government to aid them in finding a new life elsewhere. Completely contrary to what you may believe, our people enjoy a high level of living, and are not clouded in their thoughts. Your prejudices against religion are not particularly appreciated.

Lady Serifina Karin
Ambassador to the World Assembly
Sacred Kingdom of Karianis

Prejudices? What prejudices? I said that if you're continually exposed to only one belief system, you are biased towards that belief system. The purpose of the proposal (Flawed though it is) was based on the idea that "if every belief system is attempted to be put on (more) equal footing, then people will be able to make a (increased level of) decisions on what belief system truly suits who they are, not the society that molded them. So I attempt to put all belief systems on more equal footing through this system. Despite it's flaws, no insult was meant.

Theocracies would be completely tolerable (so far as Human Rights) IMHO, if society didn't have such an absolutely mammoth effect on children/young adults' early development. Thus the aim of the proposal, and perhaps your ire.

the government of the emperor of urgench puts it to the honoured ambassador for Renewed Life that this idea would lead to the teaching of of religious cosmogeny as some how equal and a viable alternative to scientific theory on the origins of the universe and life in it. is this the intention of the honoured ambassador?

No, I did not say that. I am saying they will both be presented without bias, and individuals will make the choice of belief that is right for them. Whether they choose one as being more viable is their choice. However, my proposal makes no mention of how things are taught in the educational systems (if any, mustn't exclude the anarchists :P) teach thought. To say to governments how to teach your children in my proposal, whether for or against any particular belief system, would be illegal according to WA rules.

Though if you are interested, I am completely and utterly for Science to be taught as the "end-all, be-all" of rational thought. It is it's manifestation in it's purest possible form, and schools should be teach rational thought as priority #1 IMHO. Despite that, I will not, and cannot, enforce any such thing in my proposal.

Here is a good idea. How about separating religion from the state? This means, that Religious groups or bodies may not influence any government. Our country has seen massive benefits a result of the separation, and by extending the laws within the WA, people regardless of belief have an equal chance to participate in politics.

That would constitute an idealogical ban of theocracies and would therefore be illegal.

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

Prejudices? What prejudices? I said that if you're continually exposed to only one belief system, you are biased towards that belief system. The purpose of the proposal (Flawed though it is) was based on the idea that "if every belief system is attempted to be put on (more) equal footing, then people will be able to make a (increased level of) decisions on what belief system truly suits who they are, not the society that molded them. So I attempt to put all belief systems on more equal footing through this system. Despite it's flaws, no insult was meant.

Theocracies would be completely tolerable (so far as Human Rights) IMHO, if society didn't have such an absolutely mammoth effect on children/young adults' early development. Thus the aim of the proposal, and perhaps your ire.

Allow me to quote your own proposal.

"FURTHER NOTING that Organized Religion, in many forms, stops an individual from forming his/her own beliefs on the nature of the universe, thusly forming increasingly myopic beliefs by product of Organized Religion's mere continued existence,"

Therein shows your prejudice against religion. You believe being exposed to a single religion clouds a person's thoughts on what is, in effect, the single most important question of all. Quite likely because you view religion as an illogical construct, making it inherently bad. I'd be willing to go so far as to guess that you're probably an aethiest, yourself? You've certainly made it clear that you believe science to be the ultimate answer to everything.

You may not see it, but as it stands, this proposal effectively insults and belittles any faith of any sort, something I will not stand for. Perhaps sometime you'd care to visit a nation of true faith, such as my own, or perhaps one of the others. Maybe you'll gain a proper understanding for our beliefs, and why this is silly.

And, more to the point, you've completely ignored the true question I had. Specifically, were this resolution to pass, how would this effect a Church that is also the government, as the same entity, in regarding to the taxes on said Church?

Lady Serifina Karin

(OOC: For reference, no, I'm not actually this much of a frothing at the mouth religious nutcase. I promise. I just play one for fun. And no insult to the player is meant.)

Eh...you religious RPing nuts! jk.

Hm. I'll try my best to address this one...(For the record, I am a non-theistic spiritualist. It would be half-wrong to call me an Atheist. New Age would be more wrong, fyi. People make that mistake with me often...but I digress).

I probably provoked your assumptions through bad wording, Karianis, but I did not actually say half of what you interpreted, that was your own completely unsupported reasoning.

What I'm trying to say is that any institution that promotes alogical or illogical means of discovering more about the universe as a whole and/or oneself is inherently going to be stopping a person from making logical conclusions about the world if said person(s) accept the illogical means as fact/logic. Which would be the whole point of the institutions, to promote that sort of belief amongst humanity. Not exactly an admirable goal IMHO, but I don't really have a problem with it so long as it's logical adults who aren't being traumatized.

See, I'm down with people doing that, but having people be indoctrinated into that belief system when their "defenses" against illogical thought are most completely down (When they are still undergoing neurological development, notably as children/young adults) stops them from considering alternative systems and making a comprehensive choice of what suits them best as individuals. So the best choice here, for everyone, is to try our best to create societies where everyone is presented with belief systems equally and with as little bias as humanly possible. That way, people can choose what is truly for them personally.

Recognizing that, this is a step in that direction by trying to separate the church from the state, separate the church from privilege and honor in society, where inherently there is discrimination by having Religion be free to do things, say science is not. Religion can fund terrorists and organize protests at burial cemetaries, at worst; Science is being prevented from freaking finding cures for diseases because of principly (and most proponents of this are open about this fact, as we all know) Religion-driven arguments of "The sanctity of life", or something along those lines.

However, I didn't cogitate on that one very well, and forgot that what I'm doing, separating church from state, is illegal in NS rules. Thusly, you are right; I am trying to ban Theocracies, I suppose. I forgot states like those existed in NS. Thus, my proposal should be deleted (If it hasn't been already). But wasn't the idea fun to debate around? I certainly had fun. :D

If there's a religious-based proposal on here, you can always find me there. They're my specialty. And I always enjoy debating them, mostly because it's the ever-fun 'Devil's Advocate' side.

For the record, I would not have made the mistakes you refer to (New Age, etc) as, RL, I'm a witch, and would get my doctorate in theology if I could (I love religion in all it's forms, and would not mistake a non-theistic spiritualist for something else. :) ) And since most people here come from societies (primarily the US) where they're taught that anything less than total seperation of church and state is wrong, and are inherently for freedom of religion, among other similar issues, I deliberately took the opposing side to give the WA someone who was totally against such things.

And yes, I am an RPing nut.

(And for those who care, this whole post is OOC. Seri's done ranting and raving for a while. Until the next anti-religion proposal rears it's head!)

To whom it matters,

This proposal greatly offends me and my entire region. We are very religious people and this resolution would cause our WA delegate to resign most defiantly!

Supreme Admiral Hogth

We agree with the esteemed admiral of Konoha and Mist. There are several nations and for that matter regions, dedicated to their religion. I oppose the resolution.

God, Gods or no God, people will always find a means and an excuse to kill each other. Salzland opposes this resolution

If you wish to place all religions on equal footing then may we suggest you approach it through education?
A comprehensive religious studies class taught throughout Primary education and perhaps Secondary, if needed, would at the least expose children to many forms of religion.

I kinda agree with this because people should be able to have thier own belifs and opinions on how the universe etc was created.
Althoughi dont think that organized should be eradicated(to strong?) alltogether becauseit gives people hope and somethnig to belive in. Organized religion should be moniterd at minimum because organized religion can easily prey on the sick and vunerable an so brainwash them into so called "matrys"(spell that right??) so in conclusion organized religion should be moniterd so that it doesnt get to powerful and try to take over the world!!LMAO couldent resist!!

If you wish to place all religions on equal footing then may we suggest you approach it through education?
A comprehensive religious studies class taught throughout Primary education and perhaps Secondary, if needed, would at the least expose children to many forms of religion.

the government of the emperor of urgench already has an extremely comprehensive education system, indeed we count our young people as some of the best educated in the world. comparative religion is taught as an adjunct to history, since no religions still exist in Urgench.
we would be absolutely against any w.a. mandated religious education in our schools, this sort of thing is absolutely not the perview of the w.a.

the concept of the w.a. legislating to "put all beliefs on an even footing" which seems to be the aim of this resolution is preposterous and a gross invasion of the liberties of the nations of the w.a. who have the right to promote or not whatever beliefs they wish within their own borders.

yours e.t.c.

Our suggestion was more of a general one for the representative of Renewed Life to consider. Perhaps he can use it for his own region or Nation rather than going to the slight more extreme method of taxing religious organizations.

We believe that everyone is entitled to their religious beliefs and that religious organizations should be free to go about their business while it doesn't conflict with Human Rights or common law.

This is an outrage. I oppose this with every fiber of my being. My people are a proud people and will not have their religion tossed out the window because there are some who don't have religion or it offends them! If this passes my region's support for the WA with disappear.

the concept of the w.a. legislating to "put all beliefs on an even footing" which seems to be the aim of this resolution is preposterous and a gross invasion of the liberties of the nations of the w.a. who have the right to promote or not whatever beliefs they wish within their own borders.



We are in full agreement. Our suggestion to the representative of Renewed Life was to show a less extreme method of dealing with the dominance of particular Organized Religions over others. Perhaps something he can implement in his own Nation or Region. We do not, however, believe that our suggestion should become a proposal.

We are in full agreement. Our suggestion to the representative of Renewed Life was to show a less extreme method of dealing with the dominance of particular Organized Religions over others. Perhaps something he can implement in his own Nation or Region. We do not, however, believe that our suggestion should become a proposal.

the government of the emperor of urgench thanks the honoured ambassador for Oleic for that clarification, your suggestion is eminently wise.

yours e.t.c.