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As we promised during the debate on said resolution:

Repeal "Prevention of Terrorism"
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution

Category: Repeal
Resolution: #12
Proposed by: The Altan Steppes

Description: WA Resolution #12: Prevention of Terrorism (Category: International Security; Strength: Significant) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: UNDERSTANDING that "Prevention of Terrorism" was authored to deal with the threat of terrorism;

COMMENDING the desire to address this threat;

REGRETTING that the resolution in question provides no definition of what constitutes terrorist activities or organizations;

NOTING that the resolution in question does not outline any specific steps or take any concrete action that would actually protect WA member states from terrorism;

FURTHER NOTING that the resolution does not bar member states from providing financial or material support for terrorist individuals or organizations;

FURTHER REGRETTING that the resolution in question prevents more effective legislation on terrorism from being introduced;

The World Assembly hereby repeals "Prevention of Terrorism".

Questions, suggestions, or comments welcome.

As we promised during the debate on said resolution:



Questions, suggestions, or comments welcome.


the government of the emperor of urgench cannot express srongly enough how much it approves of this repeal. we are delighted with the wisdom and diligence of the highly honoured and greatly respected ambassador for The Altan Steppes. we will help them in any way they direct us to in order to ensure this repeal is brought to vote and thence succesfully affirmed by the generality.
in token of our nations esteem for the highly honoured ambassador for The Altan Steppes his divine majesty the emperor would like to offer them the Golden Arrow our nations highest honour.

yours sincerely, Mongkha, khan of kashgar, ambassador to the world assembly for urgench

I also approve very strongly with this repeal. But I must ask that if we do repeal it we quickly draft a resolution on the subject of Terrorism so that WA states are protected.:)

I must ask that if we do repeal it we quickly draft a resolution on the subject of Terrorism so that WA states are protected.:)

There's nothing stopping you from having well-crafted national laws to protect your citizens, as long as they don't conflict with existing WA laws. Certainly this last resolution doesn't restrict your anti-terror programs in any way. You're no more at risk than non-WA nations, unless you depend entirely on the WA to be a nanny for your legal system.

From a strictly practical perspective, it's very difficult to pass a repeal immediately after the original passed. It's been done once or twice, but I think in every such case the original author was convinced to become part of the group requesting the repeal. If you can get TNP Delegate Atrigea on board, good luck. You'll probably have better luck trying for the repeal after a couple more have passed.

I see. Well we do have anti-terrorism laws. But our legal system is weak, which is the reason my nation is in the beginnings of a civil war.

I also approve very strongly with this repeal. But I must ask that if we do repeal it we quickly draft a resolution on the subject of Terrorism so that WA states are protected.:)

I would respectfully point out to the esteemed delegate from RyanBrum that the current resolution does very little to protect them in the first place. So we feel a repeal should not be delayed.

We also support any repeal on this toothless, feckless piece of legislation.

Ambassador Nigel S Youlkin
World Assembly Ambassador
The United States of Philimbesi

We agree that a replacement resolution would be a good thing to have in hand before actually submitting this repeal for vote, and we're working on a possible draft of one. We'll put that up for review here as well, once we're confident in what we've put together.

We also agree that it would be a good idea to let some time pass before trying to get the WA to pass this repeal. That will hopefully allow us time to draft a suitable replacement.

From a strictly practical perspective, it's very difficult to pass a repeal immediately after the original passed. It's been done once or twice, but I think in every such case the original author was convinced to become part of the group requesting the repeal.I remember only two attempts to repeal something immediately after it was passed, and both were successful. In my case, the author had no knowledge or involvement, and even sent me insulting telegrams after the repeal passed. ;)

Plutoni wholeheartedly supports this resolution, though echoes the suggestion of waiting a suitable interim before its submission.

I think it's worth pointing out that this resolution specifically does not prohibit the financing or other material support of terrorist activities.

I'm also forced to agree that while this repeal should be drafted now, it should probably only be submitted a bit later.

I remember only two attempts to repeal something immediately after it was passed, and both were successful. In my case, the author had no knowledge or involvement, and even sent me insulting telegrams after the repeal passed. ;)

Actually there are repeals submitted after almost every resolution. It may well be that only two have ever reached quorum; certainly we have only seen one that was of a calibre to be a respectable resolution in our short time in these chambers.

New version, incorporating the suggestion of our Quodite colleagues, which we found eminently reasonable:

Repeal "Prevention of Terrorism"
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution

Category: Repeal
Resolution: #12
Proposed by: The Altan Steppes

Description: WA Resolution #12: Prevention of Terrorism (Category: International Security; Strength: Significant) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: UNDERSTANDING that "Prevention of Terrorism" was authored to deal with the threat of terrorism;

COMMENDING the desire to address this threat;

REGRETTING that the resolution in question provides no definition of what constitutes terrorist activities or organizations;

NOTING that the resolution in question does not outline any specific steps or take any concrete action that would actually protect WA member states from terrorism;

FURTHER NOTING that the resolution does not bar member states from providing financial or material support for terrorist individuals or organizations;

CONCERNED that the resolution in question prevents more effective legislation on terrorism from being introduced;

The World Assembly hereby repeals "Prevention of Terrorism".

My delegation, formed only last week to explore the possibility of the Grand Duchy of Lost Cove's entrance into the W.A.--its predecessor had so alienated our people that the option was inconceivable to us until quite recently--arrived at W.A. World Headquarters too late to speak out against the madness of the anti-terrorism Resolution just passed. We would heartily support this repeal--just as we would support a new anti-terror resolution that proposes clear definitions, reasonable countermeasures, and world government restraint from interfering in the sovereignty of Lost Cove and other W.A. member nations. Thank you for proposing it.

In other news, after an exhaustive week-long review of W.A. procedures and passed Resolutions requiring the full attention of my staff, as well as a full report filed with the Grand Duke and his Council of Ministers, I am happy to announce that Lost Cove has applied for full membership status within the W.A. I look forward to working with you all for as long as my job lasts and my budget holds out.

Ambassador Dorann T. Dhakaar
Observer Delegate to the W.A.
Grand Duchy of Lost Cove
Suanar Core region

The Nomadic Peoples of Gammoria and the WA delegate of Slavic Polynesia find a repeal to be the best course of action so long as a replacement is put into effect.

The Principality Of Nawx, delegate of Imperium Ourobornia, highly supports this repeal. We would also like to note that an act against terrorism, is unnessescary.
All nations are permitted to create their own anti-terrorism laws, but in my country terrorism is legal and seen as a method of voicing political opinion- Clearly this issue has caused our nation problems.
But on a final note, do not think of our legalised terrorism as our only reason to support the repeal. We support the repeal because the terrorism prevention act was badly thought out, unspecific and unnessescary while only being passed by new, fledgling nations that did not think it through.
The more developed nations were strongly opposed to this act, but unfortunately were outnumbered by the ammount of people that simply saw "terrorism prevention" and clicked yes.

You don't need to tie this into a replacement. It's not a horrible idea, but not required since this is far to weak to actually do anything at all. You could pass the replacement even before this went to vote.

Stylistically, I'd suggest you drop the "Concerned" clause and shift to a "further regretting" clause that suggests there are dangers to having no binding legislation on the subject. Still would suggest a replacement, but does not bind you to one. Oh, and nit-picking, but I'd suggest Understanding, Commending, Noting, Further Noting, Regretting, Further Regretting, Repeals. In that order as opposed to the current order of actions(just the actions, not the actual clauses). Also, while the NSUN/WA has a long history of using capitalization in each letter of the first word in a clause, I've discovered that it's actually a fairly common grammar faux pas. No whole word is ever supposed to be capitalized under any circumstances that is not an acronym.

All in all, I like it, but breaking the replacement and repeal into two parts may make the entire process easier on you.

We support repealing the Prevention of Terrorism resolution, specifically because said resolution does not even define what a "terrorist" act would be. Whether the idea is scrapped all-together or someone wishes to enter a more-comprehensive replacement makes no difference to our nation, but we strongly believe that the previous Terrorism resolution must be repealed.

The Principality Of Nawx hereby bumps this thread. We need to pass this issue.

I agree with Nawx. But this act looks more carefully thought through and plaaned. Hopefully people will actually read the act before deciding to agree on it or not.

i on behalf of my nation agree with nawx not many people woult of read it just seen terror prevention anyone could put terror prevetion at the top of a bill to make it more popular like the approval of toturing a child everyday is compolsoury by putting the words terror prevention they get themselves so many more votes

The Most Serene Republic of West Fresno supports this repeal and has drafted a very similar proposal. Or maybe quite possibly we should adopt a proposal on the definition of a terrorist?

We're of the opinion that a more comprehensive replacement would be more desirable than just a definition of terrorism. You're welcome to check out our proposed replacement (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=559058) and give us any suggestions or comments.

And just to let people know, we haven't forgotten about this repeal/replace effort, we're just waiting a decent interval before pushing it forward.

Jaris Krytellin, Ambassador

I also approve very strongly with this repeal. But I must ask that if we do repeal it we quickly draft a resolution on the subject of Terrorism so that WA states are protected.:)Mine and Cluich's resolution in the old days had a very strong definition of terrorism which you are welcome to borrow.

OOC: I intend to submit this attempt to repeal #12 within the next week (I'm on vacation during that time and will thus have lots of time to TG for it). I'm bumping this for any last requests or suggestions before the repeal is submitted. The most current version is in the first post of this thread. Any advice or offers to help with TGing will also be gratefully accepted.

This has been submitted for approval. Let's hope it gets through.

As the new delegate for the region of Europeia (http://www.nationstates.net/61457/page=display_region/region=europeia), I am happy to approve this resolution. I also hope to approve the repleacment very soon.

As the new delegate for the region of Europeia (http://www.nationstates.net/61457/page=display_region/region=europeia), I am happy to approve this resolution. I also hope to approve the repleacment very soon.

We appreciate the honorable delegate's support and look forward to offering our replacement if we are able to succeed with the repeal.

Jaris Krytellin, Ambassador

As we promised during the debate on said resolution:



Questions, suggestions, or comments welcome.

The nation of Malfactopia agrees, and should you submit this repeal, i would do all in my power to convince my allies to support it. However, it may be best to let this lie for a time, then when no one expects it, strike from the shadows. During that time, perhaps you will find other flaws in the resolution to address, if applicable.
Good things come to those who wait, so the saying goes. :eek:

The Federal Republic will be proud to support this resolution once it comes to vote. Let me know if our new Regional Delegate is neglecting his duties, we'd be more than willing to kick their asses into gear to get you another approval. :p

Jimmy Baca, Deputy Ambassador

Apparently there are only two days left, as it has already been submitted. It is on behalf of Malfactopia that I apologize for the near-sighted error that was made.

We accept the Malfactopian ambassador's apology and are sure no offense was meant.

We're still crossing our fingers and hoping this reaches quorum, but it is appearing increasingly unlikely. If it does not, though, we will try again at a later time, with revisions if needed. This is a significant issue to our government and we aren't ready to quit just yet.

-Jaris Krytellin, Ambassador

If you need any help with telegramming next time, feel free to ask.