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I know you all want to repeal it.
The "World Assembly Headquarters" resolution got 4,918 votes for and 4,499 votes against. Undoubtedly it is in need of immediate cancellation.

The ambassadors and observers to the NationStates World Assembly:

Acknowledging the importance of political freedoms and the negative effect that the World Assembly has on them;

Disdaining the efforts an international diplomatic organizations known as the World Assembly for their pretentious attempts to promote international goodwill;

Stressing the need for cancelling any plans for facilities that would undoubtedly further the WA's despicable activities;

Believing that World Assembly Headquarters, as a symbol of corruption and depravity, would further establish the World Assembly as an instrument of international conflict and immorality;

Noting the findings of a recent census of WA diplomats, revealing a disturbing prevalence among international envoys of "drunks, stoners, weirdos, military fruitcakes, sex addicts, rejects, dear little kiddies, honest family types" and militant machistas;

Declaring that it would be appalling for these inmates to have an asylum to run;

Hereby:

Cancels the establishment of World Assembly Office of Building Management (OBM) and the plans for World Assembly Headquarters

The proposal can be found at http://www.nationstates.net/23769/page=UN_proposal/start=34.

I know you all want to repeal it.
The "World Assembly Headquarters" resolution got 4,918 votes for and 4,499 votes against. Undoubtedly it is in need of immediate cancellation.Why? Because it won?

*snipped proposal text*I'm afraid this repeal falls under that subsection of the rules (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=420465) known as "Bloody Stupid." Come back with an actual argument, and maybe we'll consider it.

Well, I just wanted to sound dramatic with the "all" but it won by a very small percentage. And if mine is "Bloody Stupid" as you put it, then so is the original resolution!

Well, I just wanted to sound dramatic with the "all" but it won by a very small percentage.Precisely. It won. Arguing that we should reverse a decision by the WA, however narrow, just because you are dissatisfied with the result, just makes you sound bitter and disgruntled. And not very credible.

And if mine is "Bloody Stupid" as you put it, then so is the original resolution!A proposal is not "bloody stupid" just because it contains a few jokes. One that attempts to "parody" these jokes without imparting a single valid or compelling argument for repealing a duly passed WA Resolution kind of is.

I've got some bad news for you, we're the Office of Building Management and you're too late to cancel our creation.

William Smithers
Senior VP
WA Building Management

We're gonna have to take you out back aren't we?

A proposal is not "bloody stupid" just because it contains a few jokes. One that attempts to "parody" these jokes without imparting a single valid or compelling argument for repealing a duly passed WA Resolution kind of is.I think I have enough plausible arguments in it. The whole WA is corrupt!

You'll never catch me you evil wrongdoers!

I think I have enough plausible arguments in it.

If by "enough" you mean "none", then sure.

--
Cerys Coch, Permanent Undersecretary (who would like an office to be permanent undersecretary of, thank you)

I think I have enough plausible arguments in it. The whole WA is corrupt!

You'll never catch me you evil wrongdoers!Well, gee. How am I even supposed to respond to such a brilliant argument? :rolleyes:

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The whole WA is corrupt!

Yeah, so, what's your point?

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

the government of the emperor of urgench has followed this debate closely,
we were very interested in the import of the proposed resolution, we have observed an odd and worrying trend in debating tactics of some delegacies.
despite the impracticability of the proposed repeal, it's authors in the government of moomin-troll deserve a respectful hearing. we are concerned that the conceited, nearly contemptous tone of some delegacies is an inhibition to legeslative inovation and is probably a symptom of the more general malaise, which has bedevilled the w.a. in recent times.
our government believes that if this noble institution is to survive and prosper
then it must hear the weaker and less influential of it's membership as respectfully and with as much concern for form and dignity as it does others,
for the sake of clarity, our government does not think it could support the proposed resolution but we do congratulate the highly respected ambassador for moomin troll for there work in bringing this proposal for debate.


yours e.t.c. Nogai, khan of tabagatai, minister for foreign affairs of urgench.

*snip*
we have observed an odd and worrying trend in debating tactics of some delegacies.
*snip*
the conceited, nearly contemptous tone of some delegacies
*snip*Welcome to the World Assembly. I fear you'll find the words "Aw, be nice" are not in our vocabulary. This is, after all, the rough and tumble of international politics, not a bake sale.

This is, after all, the rough and tumble of international politics, not a bake sale.

Oh crap. (http://www.alaskanwcharters.com/graphics/muffinFlag.gif) My bad (http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/tdomf/26411/ignorance.jpg).

Well, gee. How am I even supposed to respond to such a brilliant argument? :rolleyes:

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In order to fight the evil I must get close to it. How do you think I could even try to get anything done if I wasn't a member myself?

Despite the lack of support for my clearly necessary proposal I strongly believe that Urgench speaks the words of wisdom.

the government of urgench wishes to thank the honoured delegate of the great nation of schuttegod, for pointing out to us our error in believing that the debates of the world assembly should be conducted with at least the courtesy of a sale of baked goods. we will know at what level to pitch our debates with the esteemed ambassador in future.
we wonder though whether or not it befits any nations dignity to conduct their discourse at the level of "rough and tumble" . we are a formal people and so we will continue to treat all with decency and respect. regardless of how vehemently we dissagree with them or how specious their arguments.

we would also like to thank the respected delegate for schuttegod for their concern as to our delegacies not being aware of our location, we know exactly where we are, but thank you all the same.

the government of the emperor of urgench would also like to thank the highly esteemed delegate of moomin troll for their kind words, and would like to add that our government found your proposals all more "credible" for their sincerity, regardless of the posturing of other delegacies whos vested interests betray their motives.


yours e.t.c. Nogai, khan of tabagatai, minister for foreign affairs of urgench

I know you all want to repeal it.
The "World Assembly Headquarters" resolution got 4,918 votes for and 4,499 votes against. Undoubtedly it is in need of immediate cancellation.

That's not a good enough reason. Not only that but such immediate cancellation (which can no longer occur since other resolutions have been passed) was ironically trademarked by the author of the said resolution.

Now I want to make one thing perfectly clear. I strongly support this grand resolution, but if you want to repeal it you better have a good argument. I would suggest your best argument is cost.


Whereas - few delegates actually show up to debate resolutions.
Whereas - most who do spend most of their time at the stranger's bar.
Whereas - the WA has more important things to do than be a duty free drinking establishment.
Whereas - the building costs too darn much to operate.
Whereas - insert some insult to building management here.
Whereas - somebody might come up with a resolution for a "virtual" WA Headquarters at a fraction of the price.

Well these are just a few ideas.

Despite the lack of support for my clearly necessary proposal I strongly believe that Urgench speaks the words of wisdom.

Well you're the only one.

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

the government of the emperor of urgench wishes to thank the highly esteemed delegate for flibbleites for their kind words and wishes to return the compliment by saying how much we feel your intervention must have added to the level of debate.

yours e.t.c. Nogai, khan of tabagatai, minister for foreign affairs of urgench.

Well, your silly lectures on civility certainly haven't contributed much to this debate, either. Perhaps it escaped your notice, but we are far wide of the original discussion topic here. You'll understand that we regularly eschew such pointless threadjacks in this forum, because we do happen to favor substantive debate over non-germane exercises in frivolity.

the government of the emperor of urgench, wishes to apologise if our interventions were not germaine to the issue, we believed we were only defending the rights of the authors of this proposed resolution to a fair hearing. if that is "silly" then so be it.
we responded to the comments in the excellent delegate for flibbleites intervention to point out that it hardly added to the gravity of debate or to it's developement. if that was "silly" then we are sorry, but we ask if the delegate for schuttegod has not themself done the same to us, are they silly too?


yours e.t.c. Nogai, khan of tabagatai, minister for foreign affairs of urgench.

On Behalf of his Majesty, Lord Asriel, King of Pasier Rise.
Dear Honorary Delegates of the WA

As stated by the delegate of Moomin Valley

I know you all want to repeal it.
The "World Assembly Headquarters" resolution got 4,918 votes for and 4,499 votes against. Undoubtedly it is in need of immediate cancellation.


We just can't expect to repeal this law just because it won by a slight margin. The bottom line is that resolution is passed with a majority of WA members voting for this resolution, even with a small margin. A better reason must be given for any WA members to even think of repealing.

The stand of the Kingdom of Pasier Rise is that we would only support a repeal if only to re-draft an improve resolution. Therefore, any move to repeal this resolution must be supported by strong reason. A reason such as given by delegate of Moomin Valley was weak and should not be a good reason for us to repeal this resolution.

With That said, I do hope that most delegates here would return to the topic at hand, with at least some mild mannered civility. We are a group of gentleman and ladies wishing to debate issues in a civilised manner, while at the same time, not being side-tracked from the issues at hand.

On behalf of his Majesty, Lord Asriel, King Of Pasier Rise,
Ahmad Firdaus
Prime Minister of Pasier Rise

Is it just me, or does this proposal try to establish that th WA agrees that the WA only acts for evil?

The fact of the matter is, the WA does not affect you at all if you aren't in it. You can act like it doesn't even exist. So leave. Seriously, it's not hard to do. If you don't like it, you have only one other option: Deal with it. Deal with it, and vote against resolutions you don't like. You can even write your own.

But if the sole basis of your argument is that the WA is bad, and should be stopped, don't expect me to take it seriously. And don't expect it to pass.

The Nuncia of the Diaspora Church of the Eternal Kawaii looks at the ambassador from Moomin-Valley carefully and says, "Are you sure some Hemulen hasn't put you up to this? This proposal sounds very Hemulenish..."

Is it just me, or does this proposal try to establish that th WA agrees that the WA only acts for evil?

The fact of the matter is, the WA does not affect you at all if you aren't in it. You can act like it doesn't even exist. So leave. Seriously, it's not hard to do. If you don't like it, you have only one other option: Deal with it. Deal with it, and vote against resolutions you don't like. You can even write your own.No no, don't get me wrong. I do think WA at the moment is evil and corrupted but I have faith that it can change for better! That is why I am still in it.

The Nuncia of the Diaspora Church of the Eternal Kawaii looks at the ambassador from Moomin-Valley carefully and says, "Are you sure some Hemulen hasn't put you up to this? This proposal sounds very Hemulenish..."
Don't worry, I usually ignore everything the Hemulens say. They're not very popular in Moomin-Valley anyway except among their own kind and pretty much all of them live in a small, self-governing autonomy in western Moomin-Valley collecting stamps and butterflies. They don't have any real power over what gets done in Moomin-Valley. And quite frankly I don't even respect their views on anything, but don't tell them that, ok?