NationStates Jolt Archive

Religious Discrimination
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Tucker Island

Description: This is a proposal for the rights of religious groups.

For many years evolution has been taught in classrooms. This should not be done on acount of the fact that it contradicts almost every religion. Religious groups have rights too. Evolution has as much proof as any religion's story of creation. This means that either the WA:

1)Abolishes evolution and makes everybody happy.

2)Includes EVERY RELIGION'S theory of creation into classrooms making religious people happy, but evolutionist.

3)Does nothing making evolutionist happy, but religious people angry.

Something must be done to insure the happiness of Religious groups.

Approvals: 0

Status: Lacking Support (requires 110 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Wed May 28 2008

I know you think it's funny to act in this way, but some news: it's not.

Now go away.

What are you talking about.

Perhaps you should focus on just one Proposal?

Preferably one of the serious ones.

This is my last one I swear. It is also my most serious one.

The representatives of the Otagian Regency find your continued smear campaigns amusing, as evolution has enough data to choke a donkey supporting it, from similar genetics between divergent species, the observed act of bacteria evolving resistances to penicillin and other antibiotics, and countless other small examples all building a concrete, well-rounded and almost universally accepted scientific theory.

Meanwhile, Creationism relies primarily on a few ravings of select madmen who claim to have spoken with some greater being, with a select few misinterpretations of scientific experiments thrown in for good measure, while countless cretins decry a scientific theory as somehow inferior to their baseless beliefs in some meaningless divine origin.

We are also amused by your reference to the happiness of select groups of potentially deranged individuals being infringed upon by the teaching of scientific fact, given that Man possesses no right to happiness under any legal framework in the world. Even if this were true, should we preclude teaching of the Theory of Gravity to those children who wish to fly, in favor of a theory that encourages them to climb trees and jump, merely to grant them a few milliseconds of happiness before their joyous ignorance is shattered along with their skulls by the hard pavement below?

Ignorance may be bliss, but it is childish and immature to believe that Mankind is better left to such a fate.

The Holy Empire of New Illuve wishes to make a comment on a technical matter with this proposal.

It is, simply, not a proposal. It is merely a call to some action, without naming what that action would be. All three options are available to World Assembly members now, without the proposal being accepted as a resolution. As such, the proposal itself is not necessary and is superfluous.

the government of the emperor of urgench is pleased to see that the delegacies of other nations have seen this proposal as foolish and ill-conceived.
in our nation religious practice and thinking were long ago dispensed with as superstitious and deviant, tending toward wickedness and bigotry.
it would therefore be heinous indeed, in our governments opinion, to be forced to implement laws protecting practices we find utterly antithetical to our nations future improvement. we also believe that the adoption of such a resolution as this would bring about an irrevocable split in the body of the w.a., the likely result being disaster for all.
we hope that such imprudent ideas do not go beyond this stage of debate and that we are not required to have our time wasted on them by ever being asked to vote on such an ill-written and dangerous resolution.


from the office of Nogai, khan of tabagatai, minister for foreign affairs of urgench.

You all need to get you're facts straight! Especially you Otaiga it's the "Law of Gravity" not "Theory of Gravity."

Actually it's the Theory of Universal Gravitation, which turns out to be a simplification of Uncwrw's General Theory of Relativity.

But that doesn't matter, because the proposal is illegal. It doesn't do anything.

--
Cerys Coch, Permanent Undersecretary

Let's look at the options:
1)Abolishes evolution and makes everybody happy.
I believe what you mean is "Ban the teaching that humans evolved from primates," since we know about genetics as a fact, and it wouldn't be physically possible to abolish evolution.

2)Includes EVERY RELIGION'S theory of creation into classrooms making religious people happy, but evolutionist.
While I do understand the need for Zuzakia's children to know that the Earth is actualy a piece of the Invisible Pink Unicorn's hoof, which was chipped off during a battle with the Flying Spaghetti Monster, I think that there are slightly more important things to learn. This is extremely impractical and basically impossible.

Which leaves
3)Does nothing making evolutionist happy, but religious people angry.
as the only reasonable option.


Evolution has as much proof as any religion's story of creation
I'm pretty sure that it has more proof than the Invisible Pink Unicorn story.

You ignored me the first time I asked this question so I'll ask again. Why do you care what other nations are teaching their children?

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

I don't know why I care so much. I just don't think its fair to your people. I don't like when people run their countries like evil communists. GIVE YOUR PEOPLE A CHOICE!

Zuzukia, If your people believe in invisible pink unicorn they have serious issues.

Even if we gave them a choice, the schools are going to be confused with the different religion students, where to put them, and who is their right teacher, etc. School has the right to choose the religion they want to teach, we mustn't force them to teach all of the religion. It's more like communist for me.

~Alexander Daniel, Prime Minister

The proposal is to abolish evolution teachings OR put every single religion's creation story into schools. Now out of those which sounds easier?

Even were Salzland to agree with the author's position incorporating every single interpretation of human origins into education (or even just a select few beliefs alongside evolution), we feel that it is not the World Assembly's place to dictate education policy for its member states.

So you agree with me?

The Salzland government believes that there is no need for such a World Assembly resolution, and would stand in strong opposition to such a proposed piece of legislation.

Dictating religious or secular-based national education systems is not now, nor should it ever be part of the World Assembly's established powers.

Oh.

Any body else want to say something.

The Grand Holy Empire of Imota does not appreciate efforts by foreign countries to control what she teaches to her children. We must stand opposed to this proposal because we feel that it infringes on the right of our country to establish and implement our own education policies without interference from others. In particular, as a former theocracy, we resent the notion that religious views have a place in the science classroom, and that any one religion has the right to impose it's world view on others to their detriment.

Burgen Alsonis, Ambassador to the World Assembly for the Grand Holy Empire of Imota

Zuzukia, If your people believe in invisible pink unicorn they have serious issues.

Some people have the same incredulous reaction to more conventional religious beliefs on creation... like that crazy old man in the sky notion.

On a more serious note, the WA does not stop nations teaching whatever religious beliefs they like. So if Zuzukia wants to teach about the pink unicorn story, that's fine. But why should the atheist population of Gwenstefani have to teach it? And if your nation wants to teach neither, that's OK too! Why does the WA need to get involved?

Some people have the same incredulous reaction to more conventional religious beliefs on creation... like that crazy old man in the sky notion.

On a more serious note, the WA does not stop nations teaching whatever religious beliefs they like. So if Zuzukia wants to teach about the pink unicorn story, that's fine. But why should the atheist population of Gwenstefani have to teach it? And if your nation wants to teach neither, that's OK too! Why does the WA need to get involved?

This proposal's already been taken off.

This proposal's already been taken off.

The Grand Holy Empire of Imota is pleased to hear that this proposal has been removed from consideration, and hopes that clarity, sanity, and reason will govern Tucker Island's future actions.

Burgen Alsonis, Ambassador to the World Assembly for the Grand Holy Empire of Imota

The Grand Holy Empire of Imota is pleased to hear that this proposal has been removed from consideration, and hopes that clarity, sanity, and reason will govern Tucker Island's future actions.

Burgen Alsonis, Ambassador to the World Assembly for the Grand Holy Empire of Imota

Trust me I'll be back to this subject one day because until then there will always be Religious Discrimination,

Thank all the supporters of this resolution. It is finished.

The proposal is to abolish evolution teachings OR put every single religion's creation story into schools. Now out of those which sounds easier?

Your contradicting yourself tho.

Why dont you just abolish teaching of the creation period?
Yes, religions are being discriminated against due to the teaching of evolution, however, if u abolish teaching bout evolution, then your only gonna be discriminating against those people who believe in evolution.

Just abolish teachings about where we come from, and let religions who dont like it make there own schools.