NationStates Jolt Archive

Secret Police

A resolution to restrict political freedoms in the interest of law and order.


Category: Political Stability


Strength: Significant


Proposed by: Mivvin

Description: Understanding that in many nations are Anarchists wishing the downfall of the state

Realising that these people may cause danger to inhabitants of said nations

Believing that undercover political police are likely to be effective in the prevention of Terrorism and in ensuring the safety of the inhabitants of said nations

Further Believing that said Secret Police should not have the bureaucratic rules surrounding the standard police forces hindering the pursuit of justice

The World Assembly thus:

(A) Allows member nations to set up Secret Police forces dedicated to preventing disturbances of the Peace before they arise

(B) Legalises the searching of premises marked as suspect by Secret Police forces without a warrant if:
(1) The contents of said premises are likely to be intended to cause harm to others
(2) The inhabitants of said premises are known to mean harm to others
(3) The inhabitants of said premises are known to be sowing political dissent

(C)Allows the use of Lethal Force by said Secret Police in the pursuit of Justice should it be required for self defence or the protection of others

(D) Allows the detaining of suspects by the Secret Police indefinately in order to protect society

Approvals: 38 (Chickenstate, Soviet Remnants, WZ Forums, Cordova I, Finnish Pride, Extremation, Central Vetteland, Burninated, The Realist Polities, New Nicholas, the Oppressed Regions, Saudi burmia, lost highlanders, Shoumenotopia, Roth Gar, Rappppppstan, Slaybackia, Garsidia, die Bueroarbeiteren, Uzbezkitan, Badobras, Letonija, Ducky McDuck Duck, Chazi, The 9th Crusade, Krankor, Bjarred, New Hamilton, Belsarian Empire, Huorn 101, Mathenea, huorn103, E F A, Junghans, Khalaima, ShalThassan-Nal, Mengjiang, Slices Right)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 69 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Wed Apr 23 2008




This proposal is insane. This proposes that a secret police be established to stamp out political dissent. If all WA nations must abide by resolutions, this would eliminate any form of opposition to the government in nearly 20,000 nations. This is a poor attempt to try to gain control over the world. If this were to pass, any form of dissent in a region could lead to nations being kicked out of regions for having a different opinion. This leads to peaceful regions being taken over by domineering, totalitarian nations bent on expanding their control. And to say this proposal is to eliminate anarchists for being destructive and dangerous people is crazy. Anarchists are not dangerous people. They think for themselves and follow their own path and are smart enough to realize that no government could ever really tell a person what is the best way to live their life. Anarchists are not the problem. The problem is control freaks that would support such a devastating blow to human rights. And I expect the full barrage of comments from closed minded people, but as you are tearing me apart, ask yourself; would you want someone hunting you just because you said "I disagree"?

How refreshing that someone actually recognizes how enlightened anarchists can be.

Care to get a drink in the Bar and further discuss the joys of anarchy?

HotRodian WA Representative
Accelerus Dioce

Uhh...yeah....this is beyond ridiculous. IF it somehow reaches quorum, I highly doubt it would be passed...its just too.....I can't even think of the word, and its not worth my time to try to.
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Fotar,
~King of the Narnian Kingdom of Fotar
~Vice-Chancellor of the Council of Narnia (http://www.nationstates.net/10639/page=display_region/region=the_council_of_narnia)

Uhh...yeah....this is beyond ridiculous. IF it somehow reaches quorum, I highly doubt it would be passed...its just too.....I can't even think of the word, and its not worth my time to try to.
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Fotar,
~King of the Narnian Kingdom of Fotar
~Vice-Chancellor of the Council of Narnia (http://www.nationstates.net/10639/page=display_region/region=the_council_of_narnia)

I think this might be illegal somehow... well, even if it isn't, I can't imagine this one getting much support.

It's not illegal, though the Strength of Significant is a bit high. All it does is allow Secret Policy, which in the absence of laws to the contrary are already allowed. There are no mandatory clauses.

It's also got some grammar issues, but mainly it's just a horrible political idea. I think even anarchists would find common cause to get together and ban the author from their nations.


Somebody needs to come up with a counter proposal called "the Right to Dissent". Really.

I have a puppet nation or two that would love this resolution. Only they are not in the WA for a good reason. Such insane people who don't want opposition also don't want to be rulled by the WA.

On the other hand there is something wrong with the premise:

"Allows member nations to set up Secret Police forces ..."

Nations aready have the right to do this; anything not prohibited by the WA is allowed by member nations. If this is a blocker to prevent making secret police forces illegal it's a poor one at best.

On the other hand, there is a part of me that says that this would be perfect for the WA; let's throw all pretense of this being an organization to promote human rights and democracy, this is the iron fist of the total world government! Only without an army to enforce it and actually more like an oligarchy of crackpot dictators each one with delusions of grandeur.

Like me.

let's throw all pretense of this being an organization to promote human rights and democracy, this is the iron fist of the total world government! Only without an army to enforce it and actually more like an oligarchy of crackpot dictators each one with delusions of grandeur.

Buh? Who's been saying that sort of nonsense? The only people I see talking about the humanitarian goals of the WA are usually the ones posting their resignation speeches.


BTW, I bagsy their offices. All of them. In advance.

Buh? Who's been saying that sort of nonsense? The only people I see talking about the humanitarian goals of the WA are usually the ones posting their resignation speeches.

Hey, some of us prefer to hang around and annoy the sovereigntists :-)
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Cerys Coch, Permanent Undersecretary

Hey, some of us prefer to hang around and annoy the sovereigntists :-)
--
Cerys Coch, Permanent Undersecretary

In the World Assembly, the sovereigntists hang around and annoy YOU.

HotRodian WA Representative
Accelerus Dioce

I have a puppet nation or two that would love this resolution. Only they are not in the WA for a good reason. Such insane people who don't want opposition also don't want to be rulled by the WA.

The WA Nuncia of the Eternal Kawaii turns to her First Secretary and says, "Didn't you recommend we vote for this if it made quorum?"

Buh? Who's been saying that sort of nonsense? The only people I see talking about the humanitarian goals of the WA are usually the ones posting their resignation speeches.


BTW, I bagsy their offices. All of them. In advance.

(Bold word) Why would you use that...where I come from, it is a sign of unintelligence...:eek:

It's not illegal, though the Strength of Significant is a bit high.Doesn't it straddle categories? Seems that creating a secret police would also fit in with International Security, which specifically mentions extra funding for police...

"TMZ will certainly not vote for this proposal."

The Kingdom of Bardar would vote for this resolution if it would make it to the vote.

That's because you have a big stupid face which is stupid and ugly as a butt.

Eric Lattener, paraphrasing the great Phillip J. Fry
Ambassador to the UN, uh, WA.

Just a quick piece of advice for anyone who wants to have a secret police force in their nation. Refraining from drawing up documentation of your desire to have secret police, publishing it, and distributing it to an international forum might be a better way of keeping it a secret so that you can employ secret police effectively.

HotRodian WA Representative
Accelerus Dioce

But what if you want your secret police force to be public knowledge? :p

OOC: That is an option in one of the daily issues. My puppet Frustrated Franciscans selected that option. You might be familiar with their secret police ... they are called ... the Jesuits. :p

Here 'Secret Police' rank up there with 'Santa Clause', 'Easter Bunny', and 'Tooth Fairy',,, as you only see what they do not them doing it. And that is the way it will remain...

This piece of legislation is going to clearly antagonize the rights of our people by way of invalidating their rights to privacy and their right to search and seizure with out do cause

Uhh...yeah....this is beyond ridiculous. IF it somehow reaches quorum, I highly doubt it would be passed...its just too.....I can't even think of the word, and its not worth my time to try to.
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Fotar,
~King of the Narnian Kingdom of Fotar
~Vice-Chancellor of the Council of Narnia (http://www.nationstates.net/10639/page=display_region/region=the_council_of_narnia)



i couldnt agree more, theres isnt a chance that the people of mohanasia would support this piece of codswallop.

seems you dont really know what anarchism is truly about and just wanna make everyone a police state...

If it's a "secret" force...then how is international law going to affect it one way or the other, be it making it legal or illegal to organize one?

It loses our support just for being logically unnecessary.

Vokhuz Kon
Travda WA Chief Delegate