NationStates Jolt Archive

You may have noticed this little number sneaking in the World Assembly as of late. Secular World Assembly seeks to free all members of WA Nations to practice whatever religion they see fit. This is also currently the second most supported proposal out there. I encourage you to vote for it, over its competetor, the Protection of Dolphins Act. This early in the WA I believe it is imperative to prioritize and set the ground for the rest of the WAs life. I fully support the Dolphin Act, but this early, there are simply put, better things we can do.

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NOTING that the World Assembly must fully commit to freedom of religion everywhere.

BELIEVING that all religions, or lack there of, should be held in equal accordance.

FURTHER NOTING that without freedom of religion theocracies may persecute citizens.

FURTHER BELIEVING that this opportunity to become secular is a chance for the religiously oppressed to be freed.

HEREBY

1. ESTABLISHES freedom of religion for all humans as a human right.

2. ARCHIVES the unjust, inhumane treatment of the religiously oppressed throughout the World Assembly.

3. DECLARES the persecution of human beings because of religion to be unjust.

4. INVITES members of the new World Assembly to start anew with the freedom of religion.

5. FOREWARNS that any country which does not allow it's citizenry to practice their religion without governmental input will have strict penalties enacted upon them.

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Thank you for the time, Solvo Humanus.

We've long held the belief that such proposals are illegal as they attempt to ban a legal form of NS government, i.e. theocracies. We haven't removed yours because your definition and enforcement is so entirely toothless that it still allows theocracies to exist.

If you ever tune it up to the point that it actually does something, we'll probably have to delete it.

My bill only requires that no nation should be able to prosecute its citizens for religion. And as the world's delegates do not seem to mind, I believe that democracy is prevailing.

Actually it doesn't. It warns naughty nations that they'll get smacked, but never requires any actual smacking.

Anyway, I can tell you for free that if the Ambassador even thought about supporting this, he'd get a flea in the ear from the Archdruid.

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Cerys Coch, Permanent Undersecretary

However, as it is not been deleted yet, I will assume that if it were to become a resolution, it could stand a chance.

However, as it is not been deleted yet, I will assume that if it were to become a resolution, it could stand a chance.

[OOC: I don't want to burst your bubble, but I think I saw this resolution twice in the list... probably because the first one didn't get enough support. Now then...]

The Sacred Eternity of Subistratica has been free of religion for several centuries; it is our opinion that, in general, religion is highly detrimental to the development and progress of society. As such, religion is officially illegal in our nation. Therefore, we do not support this proposal, and would not support it should it somehow reach quorum.

Have a pleasant day.
-October Siles-Vadice


[ahh, irony...]

Oh, great goddesss, another 'freedom of religion' proposal.

The Sacred Kingdom of Karianis is a theocracy. Has been every since it's humble beginnings. We require that every citizen be a member of our religion, follow it's dogma and laws, and we are ruled over by Her Divine Majesty, may the Goddess every bless her with Light.

We do not persecute or oppress those who do not follow our faith. We simply don't allow them into the country. Anyone who is a citizen of this country and chooses not to follow our religion is reluctantly ejected, with an appropriate fund so they can set themselves up elsewhere.

Just because you feel that having a country be all of one religion is a bad thing, doesn't mean it truly is. That's your belief. And the practice of theocracy is perfectly legal in all ways, and protected. You cannot simply ban it, and we would fight any such proposal.

Seriously, the whole thing is ridiculous. Give it a rest. Try actually protecting religion itself for once, instead of doing your best to fracture and destroy it.

And if that were my overall goal, what would you say then? It isn't but... I see no reason why it is a bad thing to let a citizen of Karianis practice any religion they like. And Would it perhaps help further if a future run at this bill only penalized oppressive or detrimental religions.

And if that were my overall goal, what would you say then? It isn't but... I see no reason why it is a bad thing to let a citizen of Karianis practice any religion they like. And Would it perhaps help further if a future run at this bill only penalized oppressive or detrimental religions.

Well, as our laws state, all religions are detrimental. Any citizens found to be practicing any religious beliefs, as defined by regulations set forth by the Markham Congress, are executed (this has not happened for almost 32 years).

I am going to have to not support this proposal. So often, freedom of religion ends up becoming freedom from religion. Furthermore, I agree that that this proposal serves to limit the effectiveness of Theocracies such as Karianis and many others. If Karianis only wants to allow people of their religion into the country, that is their right to do so. Perhaps they don't want the issues of conflicting religions..or perhaps they have a set standard of morals and ethics that they want to be upheld through their religion. There are many many reasons why the whole concept of "Freedom of Religion" is flawed.

Lastly, clause five is horrendous....and even if I did support it, it is very vague and needs some specifics in it.
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Fotar,
~King of the Narnian Kingdom of Fotar
~Vice-Chancellor of the Council of Narnia (http://www.nationstates.net/10639/page=display_region/region=the_council_of_narnia)

And if that were my overall goal, what would you say then? It isn't but... I see no reason why it is a bad thing to let a citizen of Karianis practice any religion they like. And Would it perhaps help further if a future run at this bill only penalized oppressive or detrimental religions.

You have no idea of what the situation is in Karianis, so we would very much prefer you not interfere in our affairs in such a manner. There are many things we will tolerate from the WA, total abolishment of our way of life and government is not one of them.

Outsiders rarely understand. Karianis is not the only theocracy in this world, and I doubt any of them would appreciate this proposal. Furthermore, the reason we are a theocracy is because our leader is guided directly by our goddess, whose presence I myself have felt. Of course, I have no doubt that you'll refuse to believe that...

And how right you would be about that. I do see now why so many of you are opposed to this bill. However, I do wish to point out that if the majourity of the WA would like to implement freedom of religion, which as support for my bill has shown, it does, than you might want to stop and think. The World Assembly is a democratic league of nations. One or two nations can not refuse to change whilst the rest of the assembly moves forward. If the nations of the WA wish to implement freedom of religion, that is what they will do.

And although I believe the above to be held true, and would love to secure the rights of the religious and un-religious everywhere. I do hereby withdraw support of my own bill.

Solvo Humanus- you keep claiming extensive support for this proposal. But I have not seen any one other than you posting as being PRO - so where is all your support?

TMZ will not support this proposal,

I'm glad to see you're dropping this bill. If other nations wish to have freedom of religion inside their own borders, they are perfectly welcome to do so. But this must be a matte of purely national importance, given the the fact that doing so at an international level would only cause more troubles than it would help.