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Guys, you've got to get your delegates to approve the Child Pornography Act (currently page 3). Give me one good reason why you shouldn't!!

When you're starting a discussion about a proposal, make sure you post the actual text of it instead of making us look for it.
Now then:

Child Pornography Act
A resolution to restrict civil freedoms in the interest of moral decency.


Category: Moral Decency
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: The Crazy King

Description: Horrified by a significant lack of international law governing the pornography industry,

Acknowledging this issue's sensitive nature,

Believing more must be done to regulate and protect people working in the growing pornography industry,

Hereby mandates that all WA member nations should come in to accordance with the following requirements:

Article 1 § That no person under the age of 18 should willingly work (paid or unpaid) in any business that produces pornographic material. That is the explicit depiction of sexual subject matter, especially with the sole intention of sexually exciting the viewer of the material.

Article 2 § That no person should force or allow another person under the age of 18 to participate in the making of pornographic material.

My only real problem with it is the "age of 18" portion. There are some nations that might not consider 18 to be the age of majority (it could be higher or lower), so I think you should've perhaps used "under the age of majority" instead. Otherwise, I would have supported it for sure. Sorry.

Because it's already been proposed, it's too late to change it... in the future, I would recommed posting the proposal here before you submit it, so you can get criticisms (usually constructive) and gain much-needed support.

Have a pleasant day.
-October Siles-Vadice

When you're starting a discussion about a proposal, make sure you post the actual text of it instead of making us look for it.
Now then:



My only real problem with it is the "age of 18" portion. There are some nations that might not consider 18 to be the age of majority (it could be higher or lower), so I think you should've perhaps used "under the age of majority" instead. Otherwise, I would have supported it for sure. Sorry.

Because it's already been proposed, it's too late to change it... in the future, I would recommed posting the proposal here before you submit it, so you can get criticisms (usually constructive) and gain much-needed support.

Have a pleasant day.
-October Siles-Vadice

He has a point. I posted a VERY simple thing here, and got a lot of great comments that helped me improve my work. I'm now trying to get it passed....

The kingdom of Axmanland is pleased and surprised to actually find a WA proposal it agrees with:p

if the text is changed to "age of majority" Axmanland will undertake to contact its regional delegate in order to promote this bill

We will not support this proposal unless more exclamation marks are added to the thread title.

-- Samantha Benson

A bit redundant to have one clause banning working willingly and another banning working unwillingly, no? Why not just collapse it into one clause?

Carlton Brooks
Interim Secretary of State

I may be able to help with the proposal. You need to address the issue by allowing the WA to shut down illegal brothels and prosecuting gang masters behind illegal child pornography; and you need to deal with child pornography victims appropriately. Banning child pornography will also mean enforcing the law. Sounds difficult, but if it may be easier if you think how much illegal child pornography material dominate vs. legal ones.

So really, you need a resolution to tackle child pornography, as well as banning legalised pornography. If you are doing two resolutions, make sure both are independent of each other, and not linked to each other, otherwise you will go against the 'house of cards' rule, outlined in this forum.

Use the term "age of consent" if you need to. I'm going to be working on a separate proposal of my own, and that's the term I'll likely use.

Hmm.... why age 18? Why not age 16. The age of consent in most countries is below age 18.

You guys are sick if u want 16 year olds (or possibly younger with countries lower ages of consent) to be taken advantage of by businesses willing to f*ck them up literally for money. Different ages of consent would only mean internet child porn at the lowest age of consent would still circulate, the age needs to be the same across the board.
Sex is one thing, pornography is another...

I believe all porn. is wrong. You should rewrite your peoposal to eliminate all forms of child porn. (in order to do porn you should have to be 150 years old).:D:sniper::mp5:

You guys are sick if u want 16 year olds (or possibly younger with countries lower ages of consent) to be taken advantage of by businesses willing to f*ck them up literally for money. Different ages of consent would only mean internet child porn at the lowest age of consent would still circulate, the age needs to be the same across the board. Sex is one thing, pornography is another...We find that our children reach age at ten and most become sexualy active at twelve however many wait until at least sixteen before they have children. However a male may take as many as fives wives from age ten on providing his first spouse agrees to share his house with the others. A female here can only marry after age twelve, this was set due to numbers of males (1) and females (9) in our populations as well as medical reasons and has remained so set for nineteen generations back since the Royal Mother, Garnella, was cloned from sample number Z1229A001, and then had three daughters by Grand Vicar, Hobbo, in the first years of our existance.

So we find that since you do not understand our culture and history you may think we are evil pervert beings but we are for less evil and perverted than most humans... So I would suggest before you condem others on how they live you learn more about their lives... as you may learn something to help better your own life...


As far as forced sexual relations with anyone here; it will get you a job testing the strenght of ropes made in one of our more productive industries; as we hang rapest... as well a murderers...

Creanda Meciloor,
Minister of History Garnilorn Empire,
Doctor of Social Genetics.

We should ban child porn, including age 16 and up! If you would condone having your own children be exposed to such material, or you yourself has such pedophilic preferences then :upyours:

We should ban child porn, including age 16 and up! If you would condone having your own children be exposed to such material, or you yourself has such pedophilic preferences then :upyours:

Again, you can't just pick one age and think it's okay. That's why there are terms such as "age of majority" and "age of consent" so that each nation can choose an age based on their own cultures and customs.

According to Subistratican laws, you would be considered a paedophile... our people don't hit puberty until their late teens, and our age of consent is at 20. On the other hand, there may be nations where their people develop sooner in life, and so an age of 14 might be perfectly acceptable.

The newly independent Kingdom of Bardar discourage all forms of ponography and would galdly vote for a resolution that limit these immoral acts. The kinddom agree that the International guidelines should be according to each nation's own definition of majority (which is 14 in Bardar) but then national legisalation for individual nations could limit it even more. Bardar is planning to to forbid pornography alltogether since it promote sexual realtionship outside the sacramony of marriage or blessed concubinage.

Keep It

Why not make an effort to ban the sexual abuse of children (and to define that) before making an effort to define & ban images of it? Seems a little "cart before horse" to me.

Yes, keep the idea alive. it may be wise to cover as many aspects by simply saying 'childhood' instead of numbers.

We are against this proposal. Assuming the current resolution passes, “Bans anyone under the age of consent from engaging in sexually explicit acts as a form of employment” effectively prohibits any minor from being employed in the making of porn. This is the only major point of your proposal which we believe doesn’t even begin to address the issue.

I could go on to address the significant problem of child sexual abuse of which child pornography is a minor part thereof, but I won’t bother you with such details. To make things short and simple neither your proposal nor the current resolution addresses the significant problems. They can include;
The indirect filming of minors in sexually explicit acts or those that can appear to be so when not involved in any form of employment.
The use of computer animation to give a significant appearance of these acts which might encourage such immoral behavior on the part of others.

I am not saying a proposal isn’t needed, it is. But the proposal needs to be comprehensive. Ideally it could be a part of a larger proposal against child sexual abuse – a notion that would warm the hearts of the coldest fluffy in the assembly. Think of the children! We await a better submitted proposal. Oh and don’t forget category and strength!