NationStates Jolt Archive

Description: Capital Punishment will be enforced in all WA nations.

Article 1: All criminals that have performed a murder are subjected to Capital Punishment.

Article 2: All criminals that have stolen 1 million+ USD are subjected to Capital Punishment.

Article 3: All criminals that have performed a hate crime that result in suicide of the victim are subjected to Capital Punishment.

Article 4: All criminals that lived through a suicide bombing are subjected to Capital Punishment.

Article 5: All criminals that have lead a failed war of independence are subjected to Capital Punishment.

Results: Less crime throughout the world.

Support here:
http://www.nationstates.net/55044/page=UN_proposal/start=30 (Description: Capital Punishment will be enforced in all WA nations.)

Reply what you think.

I fail to see why the WA should be dictating to its members what punishments they should give their criminals.

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

sounds good
purge the criminals form the earth
bring safety to the people


downside to capitol punishment
if you catch the wrong person you are killing an innocent
however; there are so many people anyway it doesn't make much of a diference

The very thought of the WA regulating capitol punishment seems not only morally wrong, but outside the scope of the WA.

Results: Less crime throughout the world
Let me just state that statistics have proven time after time that capitol punishment is not an effective deterrent to crime. Simply executing criminals does not necessarily send a message to all other would be killers/thieves/etc. not to commit a crime. A more effective approach would be to make them repay their debt to society utilizing a combination of work-release programs, varying degrees of fines and in some (extreme)cases public corporal punishment, a stronger message could be sent.

downside to capitol punishment
if you catch the wrong person you are killing an innocent
however; there are so many people anyway it doesn't make much of a difference
Taking the view that there are enough people in the world to replace the one innocent person that is executed is just wrong. If you borrowed your friends car and wrecked it, would you not have to do anything about it simply because they have another one in the garage or because they had the money to buy a new one? The possibility of taking even a single innocent life should be enough of a reason not to support this.

While I do see the merits of such a system, it should be left to individual governments to decide an effective course of punishment, not to the WA.

what's a USD?



Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
Genisis 4:15

should make it write, shall sevenfold be subjected to capital punishment!!!

Article 4: All criminals that lived through a suicide bombing are subjected to Capital Punishment.

yeah, screw the shoplifters who survive a bombing of that store... kill them.......

or do you liberal pansies mean to only execute the suicide bomber?

Article 5: All criminals that have lead a failed war of independence are subjected to Capital Punishment.

hell yeah, all non-criminals that lead a war of independence shall go free, but to HELL with those jaywalkers that think their province should be independent!

Article 1: All criminals that have performed a murder are subjected to Capital Punishment.

fuck yeah! couldnt agree more, it should be manslaughter-1, 8-15 (i think) then murder 4= DEATH MOTHA FUCKA!!!! and god damn it im so pissed at those yellow bellied liberals that dont think all murders are exactly the same and their punishments shouldnt be equal! and FUCK the mentally ill!

Article 3: All criminals that have performed a hate crime that result in suicide of the victim are subjected to Capital Punishment.

hell yeah people should be responsible for the actions of each other!!! if you commit suicide because of this post, i should be held legally friggin responsible! Thou art thine brother's keeper!!!!!

Article 2: All criminals that have stolen 1 million+ USD are subjected to Capital Punishment.

you are so on brother! those guys in 'office space' deserve a bullet to the head! there should absolutely be an arbitrary amount over which death is the penalty!!!!! $999,999.99 is fine, you should live.... but dammit, you rob that amount out of a bank, AND take one of the pens they provide then BURN IN HELL!!!!!!

all i can say is you better add rapists, pedophiles, usurers, slave masters, falsifiers, sodomizers, pirates, communists, thought criminals, arsonists, democrats and jaywalkers!!!! it isnt strong enough dammit!!!!!

[/satire].... man it would be fun to run into somebody who actually thought that way. and if you think that bible quote supports capital punishment, read the damn thing.

1. Link doesn't work.
2. This can't be serious.

Article 2: All criminals that have stolen 1 million+ USD are subjected to Capital Punishment.

Real World Violations

George Bush, Hammas, France, The Michigan Compiled Laws (Annotated), and Smith & Wesson do not exist in the NationStates world. Don't bring them up in Proposals. This includes references to real world documents, movies, and books. This is really easy to grasp and is a "bright line" violation. A Proposal that is wonderfully written, but mentions "the Great Wall of China" will be deleted.

Oh and the URL you gave (had to copy paste, as you didn't do the link properly) points to a resolution about trade law.

Article 2 makes a reference to real-life. OOC, USD is the currency code of the American dollar

Costello Music notes this proposal.

The Confederacy of Greenstripes would support this proposal by the complete removal of article 4, and the rewording of article 5 from War of Independence to War of Treason.

Description: Capital Punishment will be enforced in all WA nations.We have some good soft wet noodles that can be used on anyone as part of their Capital Punishment should they be needed anywhere for such.. We assume all member nations hang them as Capital Punishment but some do the rehab thingy and turn them loose when they find some god to claim faith in..

Article 1: All criminals that have performed a murder are subjected to Capital Punishment.Again we could debate what murder is but most have laws that clearly define it..

Article 2: All criminals that have stolen 1 million+ USD are subjected to Capital Punishment.If you want 1 million 'under sexed drunks' then come get them as you can have any you may find here.

Article 3: All criminals that have performed a hate crime that result in suicide of the victim are subjected to Capital Punishment.This we have problems with as not sure what hate crimes are nor why anyone should be charged and hung for another person committing suicide on their own behalf.

Article 4: All criminals that lived through a suicide bombing are subjected to Capital Punishment.We would hope never to see a need to put them trough trail as we hope they are happy with their rewards in whatever place they end up.. dead...

Article 5: All criminals that have lead a failed war of independence are subjected to Capital Punishment.Key word here is criminal since we must assume by use of this term they have been tried and found guilty of crimes then they shall hang... no questions asked as the sentence for assault on our government, our citizens, that results in lives lost is hanging.

Results: Less crime throughout the world.Not sure of this but it will stop criminals from repeating their crimes over and over again.... if you hang them then bury their arse.. lot cheaper than keeping them around trying to rehab them and ending up they just repeat their actions.


Reply what you think.Time for me to go get chow and a beer before we hang ten criminals this afternoon for rape and murder.

I'm not going to squawk too loudly about national sovereignty, as my squawkings would be considerably muted for an inverted version of this proposal.

Instead, I will rise in opposition to this proposal on grounds of judicial independence. Judges should be allowed to determine sentences based on the individual circumstances of the case. Where there mitigating circumstances? Was the suicide bomber fully aware of what they were doing? Was the war of independence a legitimate attempt to achieve national self-determination?

Furthermore, the overuse and abuse of capital punishment could have the unfortunate consequence of leading to higher acquittal rates, as courts decide to find not guilty marginal cases. This is what happened with the brutality of sentencing of medieval Quintessence of Dust: harsh sentences for minor crimes made juries more likely to simply find the indubitably guilty defendant not guilty.

-- Samantha Benson

"Not only No, but Hell NO! I am going to squawk about national sovereignty LOUDLY" Captain Abigail Hardcastle said firmly. "Some of those don't make any sense, some are ill thought out and while TMZ indeed has the death penality - our citizens have decided what crimes deserve it, and they aren't going to stand for complete strangers to tell them otherwise.

'under sexed drunks'


oh that is so me! have you ever met an over-sexed drunk?

Article 2 makes a reference to real-life. OOC, USD is the currency code of the American dollar

But those using the NSTracker see USD all the time for exchange rate, I think that the initials USD in the NationStates universe actually stand for Universal Standard Dollar.

Article 4 is redundant, as someone guilty of Article Four is usually guilty of Article 1. Second, Capital Punishment for theft that does not result in a death should be seen as kind of extreme to me.

Article 3 is another difficult one, as who is to say that if I committed a hate crime on someone because they were Jewish, and they then committed suicide because the Stock Market collapsed, that I wouldn't be tried of that hate crime when the crime and the reason for the suicide are not related in any way, shape or form.

Basically, this proposal is just another orm of population control, and I can not support it.

OOC: I'm not buying that. USD is a real world reference, and that makes this proposal illegal.

Judges should be allowed to determine sentences based on the individual circumstances of the case.Judes should be there to insure that all the facts are presented as allowed by laws for trail thus all this is mute
Where there mitigating circumstances? Was the suicide bomber fully aware of what they were doing? Was the war of independence a legitimate attempt to achieve national self-determination?As that is for the lawyers to present the evidence to a jury who decides guilt not sentence.. based on evidence given.

Furthermore, the overuse and abuse of capital punishment could have the unfortunate consequence of leading to higher acquittal rates, as courts decide to find not guilty marginal cases.Not if the jury only decides guilt and not sentence. You charge a person with a crime, jury says they guilty based on all evidence given, judge reads sentence, criminal serves time or hangs.

This is what happened with the brutality of sentencing of medieval Quintessence of Dust: harsh sentences for minor crimes made juries more likely to simply find the indubitably guilty defendant not guilty.Proof of a failure of the system as a jury is to determine guild not give sentences for such crimes. Those should be established under the laws and held in place once jury finds person guilty.. None of this bargining crap or probation if sentence it hanging then find the tree and knot the rope...

Standards need to be set to establish punishments for crimes based on how barbaric the crimes are. Lawyers need to present evidence to prove the crime was done that fits a set sentence. Failure of lawyers to do their job is a greater part of the system than failure of a jury to do their job or even of a judge to do his.

A trail is like a boxing match:

The judge/ref insures the rules are followed and everyone keeps in their place
The lawyer/fighter does their things for the jury following the rules.
The audience/jury either approves the results or doesn't pay to come back

Failure on the part of any party means the system fails.. fit the system make sure all parties know their place in it.. and follow established rules of conduct.

Cavirra, when you learn to spell, punctuate, and employ such nuanced skills as 'the ability to write in English', I will reply to you.

Until then, you have a good evening.