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Okay, given that my attempt to repeal UNR#22 (Outlaw Pedophilia) on grounds of duplication kind went belly-up, I should open up this thread to help attempt to rewrite it. (I'm aware that another repeal attempt is currently out there at the moment; I'm still trying to understand that one, no offence to its author.)

So, any suggestions?

Horgen Dush
UN Representative, Nomadic Peoples of Damanucus

So, any suggestions?Yeah, don't repeal Outlaw Pedophilia.

uh, why should it be repealed? id like to see more of the reasoning.

According to UNR#25 (The Child Protection Act), Article 2, Paragraph 1, and I quote,

States Parties shall take all appropriate legislative, administrative, social and educational measures to protect the minor from all forms of physical or mental violence, injury or abuse, neglect or negligent treatment, maltreatment or exploitation, including sexual abuse, while in the care of parent(s), legal guardian(s) or any other person(s)


Now, UNR#22 (Outlaw Pedophilia) says:
RESOLVED, That the act of sexual molestation of a pre-pubescent minor is hereby outlawed in all UN member nations.

This is, simply put, saying the same thing twice. Repealing "Outlaw Pedophilia" will not change the way "The Child Protection Act" or any other resolution operates.

Any questions?

Horgen Dush
UN Representative, Nomadic Peoples of Damanucus

Being overlapped by a future resolution is not by itself a repealable offense. If it was also ineffective or directly harmful to member states or citizens, I could see repealing it. But this one is not; it's very clear as to its intent and purpose, and its wording is clear. The Federal Republic will not support a repeal of Outlaw Pedophilia.

why is redundancy in law bad? what good does it do to repeal this?

I suppose because different cultures have different idea's on age of consent and so on? I am not sure. But I do know cultures in different Nations and even parts of regions in those nations have completely different ideas on sexuality especially age. (and on homosexuality though that is not for this subject) the UN should not have the right to dictate to each individual culture what they can and cant have as their own norms for sexuality.

And to be fair

"RESOLVED, That the act of sexual molestation of a pre-pubescent minor is hereby outlawed in all UN member nations." This is a VERY vague resolution.. that I find almost as pointless as the "fight the axis of evil" resolution.

Also, UNR#22 allows a loop-hole saying it's okay to molest a minor after they hit puberty.

"RESOLVED, That the act of sexual molestation of a pre-pubescent minor is hereby outlawed in all UN member nations." This is a VERY vague resolution.. that I find almost as pointless as the "fight the axis of evil" resolution.
If this model of clarity and conciseness is what the honoured ambassador considers vague, we dread to think what he would consider precise.

ok, its vague. #25 isnt. what harm does it do existing? why should we lift a finger to do anything against it?

Given the loophole that has been presented (which, would end up being covered by #25 anyhow), plus the fact that many resolutions (including the one that's currently up for repeal) have been repealed for said vagueness, keeping the current resolution could do a great deal of harm.

This law does not explian what it would do to make sher the nationstates to follow it UNR#22 (Outlaw Pedophilia).

We would echo the statements of both the Kennyites and the Gobbannium delegation. There is nothing vague about Resolution 22.

Also, UNR#22 allows a loop-hole saying it's okay to molest a minor after they hit puberty.Not addressing an issue is not a loophole. By definition, sexual activity (whether criminal or not) with a post-pubescent individual is not paedophilia. Nor are all post-pubescents considered minors. Such a designation is dependent on species and culture and remains best handled at the national level.

why is redundancy in law bad? what good does it do to repeal this?With no reference to this current repeal attempt, redundancy in law is bad for the simple reason that the body of the law very easily becomes contradictory. Contradictory law is nigh impossible to implement and enforce and over time contributes to widespread disregard of the law.

This law does not explian what it would do to make sher the nationstates to follow it UNR#22 (Outlaw Pedophilia).Welcome to the General Assembly of the UN. Compliance to UN law is mandatory. If you have just joined us, gnomes are sneaking about your law books as we speak, rewriting your laws to bring them into line.

--Leetha Talone
UN Ambassador, Rubina
Regional Delegate, User Friendlia