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This proposal addresses the much ignored, highly important issue of international aviation.

Melinae...before you telegram spam delegates, please actually post the proposal in its entirety so we might discuss it...please?

The need for a UN resolution addressing airspace is clear, but I'm not sure about allowing landings and disembarkation without more control. Maybe it's the wording, but it reads like aircraft can land in any UN nation at will. That seems a bit chaotic to me.

We just shoot down whoever we feel like :upyours:





J/K ;)

Melinae...before you telegram spam delegates, please actually post the proposal in its entirety so we might discuss it...please?

Sorry for the delay. Here's the proposal.

Description: RECOGNIZING the need for consistent international aviation regulations

ALL UN member nations shall henceforth allow other member nations the following privileges...

1) The freedom of all private and commercial aircraft to fly across a UN nation's territory without landing.
2) The freedom of all private and commercial aircraft to land in a UN nation's territory for non-traffic purposes such as repairs or refueling.
3) The freedom of international commercial airlines to board and disembark passengers from their native countries without undue customs requirements.
4) The freedom of international commercial airlines to board and disembark passengers from foreign countries without hassle or restrictions, so long as all passengers carry valid passports.
5) The courtesy of explicit written permission by a member nation before flying military aircraft over said nation's possessions or territories.
6) The freedom of any previously authorized aircraft to fly over a UN nation without paying tolls or taxes.

Nice guy I am....


A resolution to reduce barriers to free trade and commerce.

Category: Free Trade
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Melinae

Description: RECOGNIZING the need for consistent international aviation regulations

ALL UN member nations shall henceforth allow other member nations the following privileges...

1) The freedom of all private and commercial aircraft to fly across a UN nation's territory without landing.
2) The freedom of all private and commercial aircraft to land in a UN nation's territory for non-traffic purposes such as repairs or refueling.
3) The freedom of international commercial airlines to board and disembark passengers from their native countries without undue customs requirements.
4) The freedom of international commercial airlines to board and disembark passengers from foreign countries without hassle or restrictions, so long as all passengers carry valid passports.
5) The courtesy of explicit written permission by a member nation before flying military aircraft over said nation's possessions or territories.
6) The freedom of any previously authorized aircraft to fly over a UN nation without paying tolls or taxes.

Approvals: 55 (Misplaced States, The Meviathians, WZ Forums, Angry Apples, Gallantaria, Jake and Elwood Blues, Istrians, Chuck Norris Haters, Proskalia, Brazykystan, Gillilandshire, Jamakal, Gobbo Power, Niveus Vesica, WBW, Klarheit, Bensulvanland, Khalnar, Gerzam, Graalium, East Berrien, Utopic Dystopia, Agoran, Laidir, Saint Comanche, Mortix Incarna, Wicked229, Blissfully Ignorant, Vaantage, RedNS, Letonija, The Wyvern Isle, Sunrand, Ursilon, Lunar Destiny, Adams Apartment, Gina Toscano, Boulton-Namuddu, Oxfordi, New Alboria, Vampire Drummer, Puppetingness, Slices Right, Ztarullia, Ithsword, Heneseys, Yertzel, Taise, Luuda, Hollyorkizona, Perpetuating Liberty, Maxtoria, Chickychickywapow, Wonder Land City, Alexander William)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 48 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Wed Feb 13 2008

Seigfried scowled at the ambassador from Shazbotdom. "This was supposed to be a kind lesson, sir. I do not appreciate being littered with telegrams requesting my support of legislation I've never heard of or that the author did not offer the proposal up for debate until I asked to see transcripts of a debate in case I missed it."

"As to the proposal, I would like to know what the definition of 'undue customs" is, and would like to know if countries will be allowed to levy air embargoes as well as travel restrictions to countries that meet with the extreme displeasure of the host country."

yeah.... we decapodians have a problem with allowing commercial aircraft over our skies no matter what. not only does that include nations we're at war with, and those we are in a trade fight with, but also those we just plane dont like (pun intended). also, creates a problem with environmentalist nations that dont want the polution.

the courtesy of explicit written permission by a member nation before flying military aircraft over said nation's possessions or territories.

im just not sure what this means. either youre allowing nations to make treaties to allow millitary overflight (which is their inviolable right) or youre suggesting that i only have to notify you before i fly planes chalk full of nukes over your country. dont see this clause as necessary.....

The freedom of any previously authorized aircraft to fly over a UN nation without paying tolls or taxes.

and this i just dont like. nothing illegal that i can tell (granted im writing this in 5 min) but frankly, unless tolls as a whole are made illegal, i dont see why air travel should be exempt.

Sparta IX respectfully disagrees with this act.

Sorry for the delay. Here's the proposal.
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1) The freedom of all private and commercial aircraft to fly across a UN nation's territory without landing...

The Dictatorship of Drygon must deny any resolution that would allow unrestricted airspace to all UN Member Nations.

We me preserve the right to have a no fly zone over our nation for those we chose to deny.

This proposal would allow planes of a nation at disagreement with our own to cross over our skies under the guise of civilian aircraft. Then they would be free to drop a bomb anywhere they see fit.

Our nation's borders shall be maintained not just on the land and in the seas, but in our airways as well.

- Ambassadore Arsene

We are in complete support of the proposal, that will help nations come together.

//Isle of Chunk

Description: RECOGNIZING the need for consistent international aviation regulations

ALL UN member nations shall henceforth allow other member nations the following privileges...

1) The freedom of all private and commercial aircraft to fly across a UN nation's territory without landing.
2) The freedom of all private and commercial aircraft to land in a UN nation's territory for non-traffic purposes such as repairs or refueling.
3) The freedom of international commercial airlines to board and disembark passengers from their native countries without undue customs requirements.
4) The freedom of international commercial airlines to board and disembark passengers from foreign countries without hassle or restrictions, so long as all passengers carry valid passports.
5) The courtesy of explicit written permission by a member nation before flying military aircraft over said nation's possessions or territories.
6) The freedom of any previously authorized aircraft to fly over a UN nation without paying tolls or taxes.
With respect to our Honorable colleague we of Carrionbone see a number of items that would need to be redrafted prior to our support of this proposition. as are listed below.

1)We would expect the right to maintain areas of Restricted Air Space over our military bases and government buildings as a matter of prudence.

4) We reserve the right to disallow those with criminal records to disembark though they may have a valid passport

5) As our esteemed member from Decapod Ten has pointed out that our own treaties would cover this cover this, thus this point is irrelevant

6) Again I must agree with the Ambassador from Decapod Ten that the tolls would be a normal incurred business cost for those commercial airlines. Compare it to say the Trucking industry they must pay tolls when using our roads though they may only be passing through our boarders rather than making a delivery within our nation, why should the airlines be exempt of a perfectly reasonable business expense?

Dalben Soonbegone of Carrionbone

We are in complete support of the proposal, that will help nations come together.

//Isle of Chunk
We wish to inform the Island of Chunk that one of our comercial aircraft while transporting the deadly virus Arserash-286 to a desposal site accidently dropped six containers of the virus at 20Kgs each over your island. If you can respond please do and let us know what we can do to help.. However we in twenty years will check on you and see it anyone survived the virus.
Hiflyer Bubbadog,
Minister of Airheads Aviation of Cavirra
We also wish to inform you that as of today all travel between our nations is suspended pending testting to see how far the virus may have spread and who it infected.
General Marcus Higbritches,
Commander Cavirrian Air Force


As we see this being common practice due to this as nations can't control what is flown over their lands... so do you realy want to support this as it allows no controls of what is moved over your lands.

I concur that there should be some UN standardization of air travel, however we do not feel that this is the way to do it. The United States of Philimbesi will grant or deny any aircraft of any nation right of way in it's airspace as it sees fit.

We do and will continue to honor all international air routes however passage over our controlled area will invoke a proportional response.

We must oppose this act as it is currently written but will entertain debate and adjustments.

Nigel S Youlkin
USoP Un Ambassador.

Indeed; I think a better way to approach this would be to go for an approach where a nation must charge the same fees and place the same restriction on international carriers operating in, and travelling to and from, as it does for domestic carriers, thereby allowing international competition and getting rid of barriers to such a thing. i.e. stopping national airline monopolies, etc. E.g. Cobdenian Transantarctic Zeppelin can operate as freely in USoP as Air Philimbesi, etc.