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I am proposing a better education, but I have no endorsements so I cannot lodge it. Can someone endorse my Nation so I can do this?

My draft is:

A great economy and politics are dependant on education. If we do not have education, we do not have a chance. I propose a universal increase of 25% extra funding to all educational services, and schooling. I also propose a science research center being built. I propose a universal teaching style. Where children of 6 will go to school for 6 years, as they reach this age decide on what type of job they would want. Do they want to become a laborer, or a scientist? Depending on what they want will determine the classes and length of further schooling.

With this boost of extra funding, we can upgrade from textbooks to giving all students an electronic version, giving easier access. Make the ratio between number of teachers to students more even, as the more help a student can recieve, the better off it will be.

Wealth is not in the money you send to the schools, but what you get back from them, a highly educated generation. So increase you're nations wealth and vote YES

If the suggestions in your proposal are supposed to be binding on the UN's member-nations then the proposal is illegal, because one of the existing resolutions (the 'UN Educational Aid Act') states clearly that the right to make decisions about such matters is held by national governments rather than by the UN.
I suggest that you read the Rules for UN Proposals (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=420465) before posting any more proposals of your own, and also -- to prevent illegal contradiction or duplication of existing legislation -- the Passed N.S.U.N. Resolutions (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=357572).

You can only get endorsements from nations that are in the same region as yourself, so asking for them here is unlikely to do much good.

Thats a bunch of...

Ok.

Two ideas

Weak Economies Education Act:

All nations with economies of "below average" or less must not become a UN delagate. Also, they cannot claim to have a proper education, religion or community. Based on the relation that a good economy can only come from a good government and education.

Since this is true, this act overturns the "UN Educational Aid Act."

Old law Act:

Any act or law more than 1 year of age must be revoted for. Simply because nations come and go and change happens.

The rules say that, because of the way in which resolutions passing affects UN member-nations' stats, a proposal to repeal an existing resolution isn't allowed to impose any new legislation as well: The first of those proposals would therefore be illegal for trying to set that extra limitation on eligibility for Delegate status, instead of just repealing the UNEAA, even if trying to change the game mechanics through a UN resolution (which establishing that new rule about Delegates would do) wasn't illegal in itself... which it is.
And the second of those proposals would also require changing the game mechanics, so it is also illegal for that latter reason.

You really should read the rules, instead of just charging headlong into things...

As has already been pointed out, what you're suggesting is illegal. But we'll discuss it anyway.

I propose a universal increase of 25% extra funding to all educational services, and schooling.

Nations should have control over what they spend on education, and how.

I also propose a science research center being built.

Built where, and with what funds? And teaching whose science? You're not taking into account the hugely varying tech levels or beliefs concerning science within the NSUN's membership.

I propose a universal teaching style.

There is no way a "universal teaching style" could ever work, given the huge variance in culture, language and educational systems within the NSUN.

Where children of 6 will go to school for 6 years, as they reach this age decide on what type of job they would want. Do they want to become a laborer, or a scientist? Depending on what they want will determine the classes and length of further schooling.

An interesting idea, but again, this should be up to the individual nation.

With this boost of extra funding, we can upgrade from textbooks to giving all students an electronic version, giving easier access.

Again, you're not taking the huge variance in tech levels into account. Some nations here would consider "electronic textbooks" a quaint anachronism, while others would be completely flummoxed by such things, since they consider stone tablets and chisels "cutting-edge" technology.

Make the ratio between number of teachers to students more even, as the more help a student can recieve, the better off it will be.

Once again, something we'd rather let individual nations decide for themselves.

Weak Economies Education Act:

All nations with economies of "below average" or less must not become a UN delagate. Also, they cannot claim to have a proper education, religion or community. Based on the relation that a good economy can only come from a good government and education.

So, just because a nation's economy is subpar, they shouldn't be allowed to fully participate in the NSUN, even if their region wants them to be a delegate? Discriminatory nonsense. And the idea that they "cannot claim to have a proper education, religion or community" is one of the most insulting and unenforceable things I've ever seen suggested here.

Since this is true, this act overturns the "UN Educational Aid Act."

No. You have to repeal something you disagree with, you can't just pass a new piece of...legislation that "overturns" it.

Old law Act:

Any act or law more than 1 year of age must be revoted for. Simply because nations come and go and change happens.

Do you realize the massive amount of work that would create for the NSUN's membership? Having to vote on every single resolution all over again just because it's a year old? I'd rather spend our time voting on and discussing new legislation rather than rehashing tons of legislation that's already been approved. If a resolution is faulty or has outlived its usefulness, that's what the repeal process is for.

I hate to be blunt, but nothing you've suggested so far is remotely workable.

Jaris Krytellin, Ambassador Emeritus

Thats a bunch of...

Ok.

Two ideas

Weak Economies Education Act:

All nations with economies of "below average" or less must not become a UN delagate. Also, they cannot claim to have a proper education, religion or community. Based on the relation that a good economy can only come from a good government and education.

Since this is true, this act overturns the "UN Educational Aid Act."Doubly illegal, game mechanics (you're trying to change the way the game works via UN resolution, which won't work because the admins aren't going to recode the game just because the UN passed a resolution) and including new legislation in a repeal.
Old law Act:

Any act or law more than 1 year of age must be revoted for. Simply because nations come and go and change happens.

Illegal, game mechanics.

Now, isn't it a good thing that you don't have any endorsements yet and can't submit these illegal proposal ideas of yours? It's prevented you from possibly getting as many as 3 warning for submitting illegal proposals.

No, the second and third were just things as examples.

My last two proposals were more of a point of view onto how I see many of these laws are set.

An example would be #10, which talks about the right for governments to ease drop and such. This may sound like a good idea, and in most cases it is. But it would never be something the UN should choose. Because in other cultures, ease dropping isn't terrible. And in some nations I am sure that ease dropping is not uncommon. So I do not think some of these laws are appropriate and I would like to see some of them to be voted for again.

A universal teaching method. It is an excellent idea. The reason for different cultures is because we are segregated. If we were to truly become universal(uni means one)then we need to run things the same way. Discrimination dependent on wealth is a everyday occurrence. My motto is "Wealth is relevant." That statement is very much true to the point of difference currencies to start with. Because what is money to one nation, is trash to the next. Some of the first currencies were shells, I am sure not all civilizations recognized this as wealth. Maybe others used sticks.

The purpose of becoming universal is to stop discrimination. To have universal teaching styles will have a great effect, cultural diffusion. If there is no major diversity, there is no major discrimination. If everyone was taught the same, all governments should be similar. Economies would become more advance, creating more money.

I do not believe there is any actual money in the game, as far as I remember from the rules of the game. Neither does it matter where a research center is built. I really didn't care if it was in the act or not.

My last two proposals were more of a point of view onto how I see many of these laws are set.
We hope that the wise words of other ambassadors have corrected those evident misapprehensions.

An example would be #10, which talks about the right for governments to ease drop and such. This may sound like a good idea, and in most cases it is. But it would never be something the UN should choose. Because in other cultures, ease dropping isn't terrible. And in some nations I am sure that ease dropping is not uncommon. So I do not think some of these laws are appropriate and I would like to see some of them to be voted for again.
1) The word is "eavesdrop". It derives from the practice of standing under the eaves of a house to listen for secrets.
2) But the UN precisely did choose that, so 'would' cannot be the correct word to use.
3) Not in UN member nations, it isn't uncommon.
4) If you feel that strongly concerning individual resolutions, the "Repeal" mechanism is available to you. It is the only such mechanism available to you, and no amount of complaining or legislating will cause the mechanism you desire to spring into being.

A universal teaching method. It is an excellent idea. The reason for different cultures is because we are segregated. If we were to truly become universal(uni means one)then we need to run things the same way. Discrimination dependent on wealth is a everyday occurrence. My motto is "Wealth is relevant." That statement is very much true to the point of difference currencies to start with. Because what is money to one nation, is trash to the next. Some of the first currencies were shells, I am sure not all civilizations recognized this as wealth. Maybe others used sticks.
You seem to have wandered off the point somewhat, but to reiterate what others have said, attempting to require nations to use a universal teaching method would currently be illegal. To do so, you must first repeal the UN Educational Aid Act. This will be a large task, but given the number of proposals which falter on the rocks of its blocking clauses on a daily basis, it may not be as insurmountable as some believe.

However, we are unconvinced that a universal teaching method is necessarily desirable, precisely because no two cultures are alike; a method which works for one will not necessarily work for another. We are not big fans of One True Way solutions in any circumstance, but particularly not in education, where the mantra "We are all different" has very clear examples at all levels. Demonstrably, that which inspires one pupil can easily bore the socks off the next.

I do not believe there is any actual money in the game, as far as I remember from the rules of the game. Neither does it matter where a research center is built. I really didn't care if it was in the act or not.
That which your nation uses for money is your nation's business. Or more properly it's economy. None the less how a thing is paid for and where it is built are entirely legitimate questions for members to ask. Paying for a thing implies a degree of control. Hosting implies considerably more control, something non-host nations are unlikely to approve of. Moreoever, being required to pay for something will have an effect on a nation's economic indicators, which in turn has implications for the category and strength ratings of your proposal.

We strongly urge you to read the rules for proposals more carefully; they are rules, not guidelines, and gratuitously breaching them will not result in a successful proposal.

What you're proposing isn't a universal teaching system, it's an absolutist teaching system. Please learn the differences between the two schools of thought.

Oh, and while the prefix uni- does indeed mean 'one', it carries connotations of 'all'. This is distinct to the prefix mono- (also from Latin) which means one and one only.