NationStates Jolt Archive

The voting for the proposal "Alternative Resources" ends on Feb.2, and I for one believe that this is a great idea to implement into the nations. By using wind energy, solar energy and hydroelectricity, not only will the environment be helped but we won't be running around screaming our heads off when the fossil fuels run out.

I believe that this should become a resolution and be voted on by UN members, but to do that it needs some more approvals.

There is no sense in forcing a developing nation to bankrupt itself on alternative energy. In Agregorn, we prefer cleaner energy not because it's better for the environment, but because it's better for our homes. We're willing to pay a premium for it, and invest in technology to make it more efficient. As for environmentalism, when the effects come to our shores... we'll take notice. As our parents would say, "If you make the mess, clean it up. Don't expect someone else to do it for you." Let them pollute their skies and destroy their rain forests. If we're so concerned about the way that they're governing and running their country, maybe what we should be talking about is taking away their right to rule. We see this bill as doing about the same (not as extreme of course), and will vote against.

Might I point out that this is not something that works for all nations? As of now, there is simply no way you could just switch over to green energy, unless you are one of the very, very few and fortunate, that happen to be in the right place. Until then, if it comes to the vote for the members, we will vote against.

It's considered polite to post the proposal you're referring to so we don't have to go looking for it.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

Let's repeal this thing.

I concur with the esteemed delegate from Elmwood court. The UN should not force such unilateral concept of free trade on it's member states. Free Trade can have it's purposes, but to apply it to all member states can wreak serious economic havoc on nations built on protectionist economies. Free Trade is something for nations to voluntarily agree to amongst themselves, this is absurd.

Elmwood Court, if you want to discuss repealing Free Trade in Durable Goods, start your own thread. This thread is for discussing the proposal "Alternative Resources."

I hate to continue a threadjack, but seriously:

I concur with the esteemed delegate from Elmwood court. The UN should not force such unilateral concept of free trade on it's member states. Free Trade can have it's purposes, but to apply it to all member states can wreak serious economic havoc on nations built on protectionist economies. Free Trade is something for nations to voluntarily agree to amongst themselves, this is absurd.OK, DBL, you've been playing this game for how many years now, and you act as though this is the first time you've ever heard of UN free-trade agreements. Well, they exist, and if you are so diametrically opposed to the ideal of promoting free markets and increased trade and economic cooperation between member nations, then you've got some serious repeal work ahead of you. The UN to date has passed at least four free-trade agreements, starting with GFDA. So git crackin'.

Cheese?

I hate to continue a threadjack, but seriously:

OK, DBL, you've been playing this game for how many years now, and you act as though this is the first time you've ever heard of UN free-trade agreements. Well, they exist, and if you are so diametrically opposed to the ideal of promoting free markets and increased trade and economic cooperation between member nations, then you've got some serious repeal work ahead of you. The UN to date has passed at least four free-trade agreements, starting with GFDA. So git crackin'.

Cheese?

Fine Yeldan Cheese (TM)?

Elmwood Court, if you want to discuss repealing Free Trade in Durable Goods, start your own thread. This thread is for discussing the proposal "Alternative Resources."I referenced the wrong resolution. I have deleted the off topic posts.

Have pity on me a Newbie.

The voting for the proposal "Alternative Resources" ends on Feb.2, and I for one believe that this is a great idea to implement into the nations. By using wind energy, solar energy and hydroelectricity, not only will the environment be helped but we won't be running around screaming our heads off when the fossil fuels run out.


Surely you must realize not everyone who disagrees with you uses fossil fuels.

Ambassador willers goes home in his uranium-powered SUV

Surely you must realize not everyone who disagrees with you uses fossil fuels.

Ambassador willers goes home in his uranium-powered SUV

Ambassador Seigfried ponders idly why one would want a uranium-powered SUV or, indeed, how that is accomplished. First, how is a reactor constructed that small that still has the power to create the horsepower necessary for normal operation. Also, how is the reactor adequately shielded to prevent Ambassador Willers from becomes one heaving mass of tumors. Lastly, Seigfried paled at the thought of how a simple, but all too common fender bender could result in Willers's SUV becoming dirty nuke.

Brasswinds, it will take time for us to switch, and already, automobile companies are being told to invest their profits to switch over to green-power, so all will be fine eventually.

However, we would like to inform the fine delegate from Brasswind that this belief that we will run out of fossil fuel is nothing more than the myth perperauted by the Right-Wing Conspiracy. As the Nationstates World is basically a multiverse, with many different dimensons and lands, we'll always have infinite fossil fuel from which to mine from. We however NEED to stop using fossil fuel however as to stop the real threat of global warming, which will harm all the multiverses.
---Dr. Bob

i see your point but its not bad to have some stuides on onther resors just in emegense but ya fussel fuel theres plunty of it but it would be nice to find somthing that would work in all the natians we could at least try and stuidy a littel

I see your point but it’s not bad to have some studies on other resources just in emergencies but you’re right on fossil fuel, there’s plenty of it but it would be nice to find something that would work in all the nations. We could at least try and study a little.

Sorry, I had to correct all of that. It was like reading the dialogue in Huckleberry Finn all over again. Twain had a good grasp for writing in the dialect down in the rural American South. I should know. I'm from there, y'all, and like sprinklin' a bit into my posts just for a taste of how I really speak.

Not to get on ya though, Reminda, you have really good phonics in that I could sound out the typos in my head and get right what you were saying. If you really have problems with typing, use a writing program like Microsoft Word. I frequently do, it helps me catch some of my mistakes.

On what ya said in a round about, you're right, and scientists and engineers are already at work looking into alternative energy and fuels. It's just not a fast process. Innovation, true, functioning innovation has to be proven, tested for reliability, and there also has to be a market demand for it. Until recently? There hasn't been a full scale economic demand. Now, we're having to play catch up.

... scientists and engineers are already at work looking into alternative energy and fuels. It's just not a fast process. Innovation, true, functioning innovation has to be proven, tested for reliability, and there also has to be a market demand for it. Until recently? There hasn't been a full scale economic demand. Now, we're having to play catch up.And thus an open and free market economy is the solution for finding and implementing alternative fuel resources, not the Government, and sure as hell, not the UN.

Energy is all around us. It will not disappear. Since we have evolved as a species to be so reliant on energies, we will continue that evolution and continue to find new ways of exploiting energy for our personal use. Why? Because, there are profits to be made. I'll bet a million-trillion dollars, er um make that Elm's, that 15 minutes after man first figured out how to control igniting fire that some Cave Man thought, "I bet I can market this and make a fortune."

If any government of any nation really wants to lead the way in alternant energy use, then the solution is easy. Simply mandate that all Government agencies and all Government owned modes of transportation (including the military) will use x alternate fuel rather than fossil fuels by y date. Implement the change and there you have it.

If it is a sound decision, then the rest of the country will follow suite. If it is a poor decision then you’ll get all new government leaders. Now that’s what I call a win-win.

That has a bit of wisdom to it, Elmwood. Government spinoff technologies are always a great way to jump-start a business field. Hey, wouldn't you want to copy something your tax dollars have already paid for so you can make a huge profit at it? Nuclear power, jet engines, Tang, need I say more?