NationStates Jolt Archive

Outlaw Gambling

A resolution to legalize or outlaw gambling.


Category: Gambling
Legalize/Outlaw: Outlaw
Proposed by: Ancient Zutopia

Description: REALISING that gambling is a problem worldwide. Gambling leads to crime, either directly or indirectly, including but not limited to: mob activity, extortion, murder, theft, drugs.

DECLARES that gambling of any form be made immediately illegal in all UN nations. All casinos will immediately be closed and all bookies must immediately stop taking bets. Any bets that have currently been made must be reimbursed.

REQUIRING all UN member nations to impose a fine or imprisonment, or other appropriate forms of action if any gamblers are caught, depending on the severity of the infraction.

Come on, I need support from any UN delegates that see this. I have a problem with kids gambling in my nation. I know gambling is a problem worldwide.

No.
If you have a problem with gambling in your nation, settle it within your nation.
This isn't a matter on which the UN should be over-ruling national governments.

I agree with St. Edmund. Gambling should by decided within the country. Let others who rely on Gambling continue its practice without prohibition of it.

Even money says this proposal fails to reach quorum. Who's got odds?

Harmalan Shandreð
Ambassador Plenipotens

10 To 1, it doesn't make it.

I'll give you 20:1, Snefaldia, that's why I'm trying to gain support. Gambling needs to be outlawed.

We could outlaw sarcasm instead.

But recalculate your odds, my friend, factoring into the equation the fact that out of all of the resolutions on the books, not a single one is a gambling resolution.

Odds are way down, aren't they? I wouldn't put money on that.

Raphaël Sondrásái
First Secretary

Come on, I need support from any UN delegates that see this.

No, you really don't, because this is a bad idea.

I have a problem with kids gambling in my nation.

We have a problem with that too in Altanar; they're not tall enough to see over the gaming tables.

Seriously, it's not the NSUN's job to fix every problem your nation has. That's what you have a government for. This is not a matter of international significance.

I know gambling is a problem worldwide.

Really? And what evidence do you have to support that claim?

Gambling is legal in Altanar, and a nice source of revenue for us. We also don't have the moral hangup you seem to have about it. Opposed.

Ikir Askanabath, Ambassador

The Republic of The State of New York is against this resolution because we believe that the serious problems associated with gambling can be diminished with government regulation.

Gambling isn't a problem in Axis Nova. The government gets it's cut, and that's that.

Come on, I need support from any UN delegates that see this.*looks at name tag reading "delegate"*
Ooo, I'm a delegate!
*reads proposal*
Gambling laws are a national issue, not an international one. Therefore the UN should stay out of them.
I have a problem with kids gambling in my nation.So, deal with it on your own. There's no need for the UN to be involved.
I know gambling is a problem worldwide.Going by the comments made by others, apparently you're wrong.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

Come on, I need support from any UN delegates that see this. I have a problem with kids gambling in my nation. I know gambling is a problem worldwide.Well you will not get it from us.. As if we stop kids from gambling because it leads them to crime why not just cut the problem off at the real source of crimes among kids... The parents by banning sexual unions to produce kids that in the end may or may not become criminals because they were born into a universe of evil...

Pugnose Dicerman,
Owner House of Bookies

REQUIRING all UN member nations to impose a fine or imprisonment, or other appropriate forms of action if any gamblers are caught, depending on the severity of the infraction. So what this says if you bet it will rain tommorrow we hang you for your gambling crimes. As by this all gambling is a crime and needs to be dealt with as such. No exceptions or excuses for it to be allowed in any member nation. Those that gamble need to be made examples of to show kids what happens if they gamble or we will never get rid of this horrible crime..

Hareless Hanemgal,
Cheif Notter Cavirrian Society of Justice

Such a resolution would damage my economy. Though it's not listed in the official report on my nation, gambling is a major part of the Blakjak economy.

In the Name of the Eternal Kawaii (mtCObp)

Gambling is hardly a problem in our nation; in fact, it's our major industry, acknowledge by the UN. Why, if it weren't for our casinos, the scattered Kawaiian tribes would starve!

Hayden Seigfried bit his lips to keep from laughing but could not hide the devious smile on his face. "Every football season my good friend Jedith Errant and I place a traditional bet on the outcome of the Goldsboro Gobblers - Graceland Hounddogs game. I would really appreciate preventing the Catawaban people the trial of appointing a new Ambassador to the UN and electing a new Alpha Miraade, the chief of our Executive Branch, after United Nations peacekeepers have us shot in the Miraade's Residence for our crimes."

Again, Seigfried barely contained his mirth, "I suppose, your media recently brought this issue to light in some sensation, hard-reporting expose? Shocked by the potential for political fallout, you ran to the United Nations to save your youth from corruption and utter damnation? Please, Ambassador...these are internal affairs. Simple regulation of who is allowed on the gambling floor of a casino is all that is required, a simple age requirement. You could just impress upon your nation's parents to have greater control and supervision over their children, and you could start more after school programs."

Seigfried leaned back in his chair to resume his usual rocking when another thought struck him. "Another solution, Ambassador, is, that if children are wagering their allowance or pocket money, up the antes to get into games. That ought to eliminate the idle players, identify the real gambling addicts that require therapy, and hey, you might make some money off it." The ends of his smile twisted up. It was an amusing day to be on the floor...

Outlaw gambling? We'd be much more inclined to support broad legalization of such. Prohibition merely drives activities underground where they fester and create additional problems without the guiding hand of regulation.

Leetha Talone
UN Ambassador


Oh and we're giving 10:1 odds and waving the vig that this goes nowhere.

Outlaw gambling? We'd be much more inclined to support broad legalization of such. Prohibition merely drives activities underground where they fester and create additional problems without the guiding hand of regulation.

Leetha Talone
UN Ambassador


Oh and we're giving 10:1 odds and waving the vig that this goes nowhere.

"Rubina, we take much digust with your idea that 'regulation'=good.

Gambling is illegal in our nation, but we frequently flout the laws because gambling also happens to be our biggest business. In fact, the fact that gambling is illegal means that gambling becomes more popular and fun, because not only do you get the thrill of losing all your money on one roll, but also you get to have the thrill of not getting caught by the police sitting right next to you, betting on the Red!

Basically, Rubina, if the UN legalized gambling, nobody would want to go and gamble anymore, meaning all our casinos would thereby shut down. We urge the NSUN to ban gambling in all NSUN nations so that all people can rediscover the joy of gambling and share in the pleasure of throwing their money away."
---Dr. Bob

So you're saying, Dr. Bob, that your nation is filled with sociopaths who need the thrill of illegality to enjoy themselves?

We find that well-placed regulation (inspections of racing animals, for example) encourages the population to participate fully in the gaming opportunities provided by the state, thus ensuring a continuous revenue stream for the government.

Leetha "let it ride on red" T.

Have we reached odds on for this never reaching quorum?
~ Hari Desana

OOC: Prohibition doesn't work. I'm from a country that at various times has outlawed two-up, never successfully or for very long.

The principality advises not to outlaw gambling. Although we are not delegate, and therefore, cannot help, nor oppose this motion to reach quorum, we wish to express our firm intention, in the case of this reaching quorum and being put to the vote, of opposing.
It is our opinion that, as has been stated by fellow nations before us, legalising gambling and introducing regulations will be beneficial to both gamblers and the nation, whilst opening gambling for those who do respect the law, assuming the others to be gamblers regardless.
For the problem of under age gambling, we would advise Ancient Zutopia to settle this domestically by the means of educating both parents and children, and providing alternative activities where possible. We would welcome any Zutopian mission to come and study our methods of doing so.
To summarise, we agree with the stance that the ambassador of Rubina has put forward.

Respectfully,

Count de Saint-Germain à Clerques,
National emissary to the NSUN
for the Principality of Beaucalsradt

With respect to the honoured author, we must state that we emphatically believe that the UN does not have a gambling problem. It is highly unlikely, even, that nations have gambling problem, despite the valiant attempt of some here to claim group sociopathy. Individuals have gambling problems.

The nation of Qwertyuiland refuses to allow the U.N. to limit its economy.

We recognize the hardship gambling causes, yet many legal activities cause comparable harm. This is in itself n reason to maintain gambling, but consider: some things are just to much trouble to ban. There is also plenty of harmless gambling, small bets among friends, and such. A measure to ban large professional gambling businesses might be acceptable, but considering our ambivalence on this matters are very reluctant to force this choice on other nations.