NationStates Jolt Archive

Repeal - Outlaw Pedophilia

Category: Repeal
Resolution: 22

Understanding the intention of Resolution #22: Outlaw Pedophilia;

Commending the spirit in which it was proposed;

Commending also other resolutions passed in the interest of child welfare (Resolutions #14, 25, 169)

However, regretting the lack of legislation defining pedophilia and properly ensuring that such acts are classified and criminals are punished as befitting the crime.

Resolution #22: Outlaw Pedophilia lacks definition of the act. All other documents reference "abuse" and "molest", but do not define such acts. They also prohibit the cause of harm to children through such acts, however it is possible to perform such acts without causing harm. References are made to the "age of majority" or "age of consent" for nations acting upon these resolutions, however not all nations have an "age of majority/consent".

Legislation should be enacted to ensure that the flaws of Resolution #22: Outlaw Pedophilia are addressed as well as covering those loopholes which are allowed by other resolutions.

Hereby Repealing Resolution #22: Outlaw Pedophilia

I have prepared a proposal to follow which will follow the passing of this repeal to ensure that the afforementioned legislation is put in place.

~ Queen Vaela Dorn

Resolution #22: Outlaw Pedophilia lacks definition of the act. All other documents reference "abuse" and "molest", but do not define such acts. They also prohibit the cause of harm to children through such acts, however it is possible to perform such acts without causing harm. References are made to the "age of majority" or "age of consent" for nations acting upon these resolutions, however not all nations have an "age of majority/consent".Um, you keep worrying yourself over what other resolutions say about abusing children; why don't you try focusing on what the resolution you're actually trying to repeal states?:

RESOLVED, That the act of sexual molestation of a pre-pubescent minor is hereby outlawed in all UN member nations.Nothing whatsoever in the text requires a definition of "pedophilia" or "age of consent/majority." The wording is quite clear by itself.

Opposed.

Um, you keep worrying yourself over what other resolutions say about abusing children; why don't you try focusing on what the resolution you're actually trying to repeal states?:

RESOLVED, That the act of sexual molestation of a pre-pubescent minor is hereby outlawed in all UN member nations.Nothing whatsoever in the text requires a definition of "pedophilia" or "age of consent/majority." The wording is quite clear by itself.

Opposed.

It seems you are correct. Apparently I concentrated more energy on drafting the replacement than drafting the repeal. Here is a reworded version:

Repeal - Outlaw Pedophilia

Category: Repeal
Resolution: 22

Understanding the intention of Resolution #22: Outlaw Pedophilia;

Commending the spirit in which it was proposed;

Commending also other resolutions passed in the interest of child welfare (Resolutions #14, 25, 169);

However, regretting the lack of legislation defining pedophilia and properly ensuring that such acts are classified and criminals are punished as befitting the crime.

Resolution #22: Outlaw Pedophilia does not define what "sexual molestation" consists of nor does it suggest punishments for offenders. It also does not define what a "minor" is. The phrase "pre-pubescent minor" indicates that during and after puberty such activities are no longer considered wrong. While if taken in spirit it is an excellent resolution, when taken by the letter it has numerous flaws that allow for the circumvention of its intent.

Legislation should be enacted to ensure that the flaws of Resolution #22: Outlaw Pedophilia are addressed as well as covering those loopholes which are allowed by other resolutions.

Hereby Repealing Resolution #22: Outlaw Pedophilia

We feel this does the intended job of outlawing this and as such needs no be repealed. As the UN has more important matters it needs to deal with than open the door and let this issue go unaddressed once it might be repealed. Laws currently in place in member nations have done the job and pedophites are no more. Here they rest in a cold grave with rope burns around their necks and have long been forgotten. Anyone who wishes to practice pedophilia here will find out how nice it is to swing by the neck from one of our tall trees.

As far as the issue of minor... any sexual relations with other who are not consenting partners in the sexual union is here rape... we consider the age of the partner and their ability to be consenting in each case of rape. Those under 10 here can not give consent to sexual relations and if they are mentaly challenged beyond that they can't so any sexual contact with them is rape.... Rape is forced sexual union (basicly: penatration into another's body with any part of your body or object not used for proper medical care, contact with any private parts of anothers body except for proper medical attention or care of those not capable of attending themselves) with another individual.. age only comes into play on rape in saying individaul can have sexual unions by givning their consent. Here age 12 is age of citizenship thus age of consent if proven mentally able to become citizen.. Sentence for first offense on rape is hanging when death of the victum accures or life in prison paying for your crime... as we don't allow seconds...

to clearly explain what rape is would exceed word limits here as would be to define it and what leads to sentencing on rape. Pedophelia here is rape without consent.

Sir Rubeem Kidarse,
Minister of Prisons Cavirra,
Cheif Justice Youth Court

Resolution #22: Outlaw Pedophilia does not define what "sexual molestation" consists of...Do we need to know? I think the meaning of the term is quite clear without definition.

...nor does it suggest punishments for offenders.It wouldn't be able to, anyway. Fair Sentencing Act gives nations total authority over sentencing guidelines; the most you could do is recommend the resultant penalties.

It also does not define what a "minor" is.No, it doesn't, but the exact phrasing is "pre-pubescent minor." For legal purposes, I don't think puberty needs to be defined. People already know what it is.

The phrase "pre-pubescent minor" indicates that during and after puberty such activities are no longer considered wrong.Well, "after puberty" would make you an adult, wouldn't it? Besides that, sexual attraction to pubescent minors isn't, technically, "pedophilia."

While if taken in spirit it is an excellent resolution, when taken by the letter it has numerous flaws that allow for the circumvention of its intent.No, it doesn't. The purpose and intent of this resolution are quite clear, and the effect is obvious just by reading it. Just because a resolution isn't complete with a boring preamble, a glossary of terms, CAPITALIZED ACTIVE VERBS at the start of each clause, and filler fluff, it doesn't make it faulty. Outlaw Pedophilia is actually a very good resolution -- simple yet elegant, and very effective -- and given its history as a "blocker" of a much worse document, I would much prefer to keep it on the books than see a well-meaning but flawed replacement pass.

Well, "after puberty" would make you an adult, wouldn't it?
Not in all cultures, by a very long margin, but we concur that dealing with such an issue does not require the repealing of this marvel of concise legislation.

Besides that, sexual attraction to pubescent minors isn't, technically, "pedophilia."
If one wishes to split hairs in this manner, the correct term is "pederastry". Not that anyone uses it, mutter, mutter...

Not really. Paederasty is a sexual relationship between an adult male and a boy, limited to that combination. Paedophilia is a broader term, meaning sexual relationships involving minors.

Not really. Paederasty is a sexual relationship between an adult male and a boy, limited to that combination. Paedophilia is a broader term, meaning sexual relationships involving minors.If we're going to be accurate about it, paedophilia is a primary sexual attraction (whether acted on or not) to pre-pubescents. (Minor is a legal designation that has nothing to do with puberty.) Ephebophilia is the attraction to post-pubescent adolescents. /nitpicking ;)

The Oppressed Peoples of Moe-zambique will only say one times that any laws or proposals in regards to pedophiles, pederasty or their ilk cannot be made strict enough.

There should be no repealings of the proposal.

The Oppressed Peoples of Moe-zambique will only say one times that any laws or proposals in regards to pedophiles, pederasty or their ilk cannot be made strict enough.

There should be no repealings of the proposal.

Quoted for truth and honesty, there's no limit to what should be done to end paedophilia.

Quoted for truth and honesty, there's no limit to what should be done to end paedophilia.
No limit? How about executing all children on birth?

Benedictions,

Oh my country may have objections to that practice, we've already rescued orphans from one maniac previously, we do not mind rescuing an entire generation from other madmen.

We feel this does the intended job of outlawing this and as such needs no be repealed. As the UN has more important matters it needs to deal with than open the door and let this issue go unaddressed once it might be repealed.

I'm afraid im forced to agree. While your intentions are certainly commendable, The legislation currently in place seems to be ample enough on this issue, and if resoloution #22 was repealed there is a good chance that the replacement would be lost in the beuracratic shuffle. This is not to degrade you of course good friend, but you and i both know that this is a rather minor issue as is when compared to other issues currently under scrunity.

~Sadrin Darkfire, UN Rep of Ice Forge.

This is not to degrade you of course good friend, but you and i both know that this is a rather minor issue as is when compared to other issues currently under scrunity.

~Sadrin Darkfire, UN Rep of Ice Forge.No issue is a minor one when it could open the door to greater problems. Remember if one grabs a toe and pulls it into the fire the foot will follow..

We have read a number of proposals that trouble us and see this one as one that also does that. The effort to bane capital punishment is on again and then there is one on ending corupt governments that to us only gives one more powers to be corupt.

Sir Rubeem Kidarse,
Minister of Prisons Cavirra,
Cheif Justice Youth Court

I would like to put forth that this is my first attempt at drafting a proposal, and it seemed best to attempt tackling an issue that already had legislation but did not seem to fully adequate to the task, at least in my eyes. I had little hope the repeal required would pass, however, it is good learning experience for me. I think I can reword my proposal to work with, rather than replace, Outlaw Pedophilia as well. Thank you for your input.

~ Queen Vaela Dorn

I'm glad you've decided against it; the contentiousness of repeal of Outlaw Peodophilia is such that, if one were to launch such a campaign, the telegrammes and forum posts would probably be so insulting that, by the time it ends, the only freind you'd probably feel you have is the revolver your slowly bringing up to your temple. Trust me, best to shelve this whilst it's still intelligent nitpicking..

I'm glad you've decided against it; the contentiousness of repeal of Outlaw Peodophilia is such that, if one were to launch such a campaign, the telegrammes and forum posts would probably be so insulting that, by the time it ends, the only freind you'd probably feel you have is the revolver your slowly bringing up to your temple. Trust me, best to shelve this whilst it's still intelligent nitpicking..

Quoted for truth. The telegrams I got for proposing it were bad enough....

This has been an OOC post.

Not in all cultures, by a very long margin, but we concur that dealing with such an issue does not require the repealing of this marvel of concise legislation.


If one wishes to split hairs in this manner, the correct term is "pederastry". Not that anyone uses it, mutter, mutter...

One thing you need to realize, is that in the original proposal for the Pedophilia resolution, the idea of "minor" was left vague by INTENT, so that the definition could be left up to particular NSUN member states... This was due to the varying species makeup of different states (not all NSUN member states are composed of humans, either in whole, or even in part)... It's impossible to define "pre-pubescent minor" across species lines.