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Alright i have a new gun law that i am proposing in the UN:sniper::mp5::gundge:
And i believe it may work i just need one more endorsement my name is Tetsuos Waffle Diner and if anyone would mind endorsing me it would be nice because i believe my law has just what it needs for a gun law to be passed by the UN.

What is your gun law? Because I am pro gun using in the works of self defense. People will always find guns, so we should arm ourselves against them.

:sniper: :mp5: :gundge:

Don't believe me? Well then why is it we have strict gun Laws and yet we have had two shootings nearly in a row this past week?

i would post it but i don't want my idea stolen but thanks for the endorsement dude it basically is a law that protects people who fear for their life and offers them government lessons which are taught by law enforcement.

Taught by the government eh? Hmm, the government isn't exactly trustworthy, the private sector could probably do it just as well.

However, maybe you have to pass a test set forth like getting your license, and have a class from a credible company, but the test is paid for by the government.

now what exactly is your proposal?

i would post it but i don't want my idea stolen

I can not stress this enough, POST IT HERE FIRST!!! It's a vital step to insure that your proposal is legal and stands a chance of making it. And don't worry about your proposal being stolen the mods take a dim view on proposal theft.

Another detail: endorsements have to come from UN nations in your region. When you have submitted a proposal, you can ask for approvals for it from all nations.

It's not unusual for a nation in a small region to move to a larger region just long enough to get enough endorsements to submit a proposal, then move back to their own region.

(You might want to cut down on the gun smilies, too. Some of the delegates are sensitive to loud noises.)

i would post it but i don't want my idea stolen but thanks for the endorsement dude it basically is a law that protects people who fear for their life and offers them government lessons which are taught by law enforcement.The idea of posting it here is to get support for it and help getting it where it will be supported. Also keeping you from posting one that violates games rules. Which by this comment see you have probably not read as one of the rules covers stealing others proposals and making them yours.. and as stated prior the mods take a dim view on those who do that.

As for your proposal... based on the comments you made in open here and all the side effects can probably say will not support it. Also go read the rules before you add names to your proposal on who may have helped you get it where it is as there are rules on co-authors/writers or endorsers names added to one and even where you may put yours in one.

i would post it but i don't want my idea stolen but thanks for the endorsement dude it basically is a law that protects people who fear for their life and offers them government lessons which are taught by law enforcement.As we see this falling under eduction and thus may be covered in another resolution that may prevent the UN from saying what folks are taught and who teaches them and leaves that up to each nation without any interference by UN.. so until see it will not know.. Do think this is a good idea but need to let each nation decide if they want this type program and who teaches it to who. I may feel that it be taught between ages 10-12 while our future citizens or doing military service or other public service... while somebody else does it say at age 16 when they register for a draft or later when they are called into military service. So one must consider if this is already in place in nations and not step on it if is; just get it in those that don't have it and leave working systems alone.

oh ok thanks guys i have to retype it and might i add it took 20 minutes to type the 3 page epic but my brother loves unplugging my power cords to piss me off so it might not be the same but yes it is watered down from the original masterpiece i had.

Protection Laws

This provides protection for people in teaching them something they can use to defend themselves and others. It is a very effective defense and has been proven to lower crime rates. It is a gun course sponsored financially by your government and it provides whoever wishes to take it with information on the correct uses and procedures that go along with it. This gun course is mandatory for Convenient store owners and clerks who have had an armed robbery, break in or burglary of any type, people in the Witness protection program, battered women, people who have been raped/assaulted by a predator of any type. As well as store owners it is open to the general public it gives people them the idea that they will not be scared at all for their safety and that of their family. It is recommended for young single women, the elderly, and anyone who feels that they are in danger of any type.
People who do not apply to the law are someone who has a criminal record, pedophiles, rapists, mentally ill, illegal foreigners, people with alcohol abuse or drug abuse problems, or foreigners who have not been in the country for over 10 years. That upsides to this law are lowering of crime rate, feeling of safety for the general public and to teach criminals that there will be consequences to their actions. Anyone who wished to apply for a gun or weapon has to be profiled, mentally examined, and criminal record to see if they are able to handle this privelage. People who apply to the mandatory gun law will not be background checked or mentally examined if they have ran and operated their store for over 5 years but they will be checked for a criminal record. If they do have a criminal record they are subject to losing their right to own and use a gun depending on the degree of the crime.

and if anyone would like to make changes that they think would help my law it would be fine but i must see it first if it agrees with the point and idea of my law. Also if someone would be so kind to move into my region to give me another endorsement or if they would like to support my law that would be most appreciated and nice.

Protection Laws

This provides protection for people in teaching them something they can use to defend themselves and others. It is a very effective defense and has been proven to lower crime rates. It is a gun course sponsored financially by your government and it provides whoever wishes to take it with information on the correct uses and procedures that go along with it. This gun course is mandatory for Convenient store owners and clerks who have had an armed robbery, break in or burglary of any type, people in the Witness protection program, battered women, people who have been raped/assaulted by a predator of any type. As well as store owners it is open to the general public it gives people them the idea that they will not be scared at all for their safety and that of their family. It is recommended for young single women, the elderly, and anyone who feels that they are in danger of any type.
People who do not apply to the law are someone who has a criminal record, pedophiles, rapists, mentally ill, illegal foreigners, people with alcohol abuse or drug abuse problems, or foreigners who have not been in the country for over 10 years. That upsides to this law are lowering of crime rate, feeling of safety for the general public and to teach criminals that there will be consequences to their actions. Anyone who wished to apply for a gun or weapon has to be profiled, mentally examined, and criminal record to see if they are able to handle this privelage. People who apply to the mandatory gun law will not be background checked or mentally examined if they have ran and operated their store for over 5 years but they will be checked for a criminal record. If they do have a criminal record they are subject to losing their right to own and use a gun depending on the degree of the crime.

and if anyone would like to make changes that they think would help my law it would be fine but i must see it first if it agrees with the point and idea of my law. Also if someone would be so kind to move into my region to give me another endorsement or if they would like to support my law that would be most appreciated and nice.We suggest you check out the form used in existing proposals and try to arrange this to them. As it is.. it's to dang hard to read through and see what you are trying to do.. those who have been coming in here are use to a certain format for these to be in.. just like they want one posted so they can tear it up they want it laid out a certian way so it easy to tear it up...

Just in reading it this to us might be under education as it is educating them in the use of guns.. We will have to look but believe their is a resolution that leaves eduction courses at any level to individual nations not the UN this mandates an eduction course over what the nations might want.

Also some nations may already have something like this in place and it effect that. My nation requires for citizenship that all enter the military or some other service and in that two year period they all get this type training, ages 10-12.. We also control who owns weapons and thus outsiders must have special permits to carry any weapons in our borders.. and also prove they are as skilled in safe use of their weapons as any of our citizens might be with them. Many types of weapons are banned from ownership by citizens on a private level thus always banned to outsiders, unless again they meet special considerations. Military from allied nations training with out military, police forces, and 'legal' collectors of weapons holding a social affair.

Also you set up this for selected groups as with the store workers taking it after they have been robbed.. mandatory for Convenient store owners and clerks who have had an armed robbery,It too late when they are dead or one of there assistance are dead because nobody had weapons.. this should be done prior not after a crime is committed and only when one is committed... as see that as how this reads.... Also it good you stop certain groups from getting this training but we feel all future citizens should get it... thus they often get it here before they become criminals but will not if they are shown unstable early on... How we stop criminals we find with weapons who should not have them is lock them up where they can't get them.. not prohibit them from taking courses on how to properly use them, as in prison they can take any courses they might want and have time for... just that we don't let them have all the training aides they might require for the couse, like guns or bombs....

teach criminals that there will be consequences to their actions. Those here who rape and murder find out how strong our rope industry is and get to spend a day swing in one of our many old old tall trees from a short rope..

People who apply to the mandatory gun lawHere if they become citizens they can own weapons according to their ability to handel them as proven in their getting citizenship and finishing all reguired courses of training to standards set. Outsiders have 30 days to prove they meet the requirements or they don't bring in a weapon or buy one while here. All the other stuff is checked by us before we let them enter our borders regardless,,,,

honestly that was a tremendous help from what you did with my ideas. You where able to express it how i wanted it to be thats really cool i am definitely putting your changes in my law if it is alright with you.

You really, really, REALLY should read the stickies on how to write UN proposals.

How do I know you haven't? By the form of this proposal.

You need something like this:

Whatever You Think Is A Good Name

Category: Pick the right one or the proposal gets canned

Strength: Likewise

RECOGNISING blah-blah-blah, and

NOTING blah-blah-blah, and

FURTHER NOTING blah-blah-blah,

the United Nations

MANDATES that blah-blah-blah

ESTABLISHES the blah-blah-blah

RECOMMENDS that blah-blah-blah

ENDORSES blah-blah-blah

APPLAUDS blah-blah-blah

The first bit above where it says "the United Nations" is the preamble. Sometimes people call them "preambulatory clauses". Whatever you call them, it's where you say why this is a good idea.

The second bit (below "the United Nations") is where you say what you want the UN to do about it, so it's called the "active" part of the proposal.

The category you pick by checking out what each category covers. It's best to choose the category first, then write your proposal to fit it. You really have to read the sticky to get this right.

The strength depends on how strongly you want the UN to act. For example, if every clause mandated (said nations HAD to do it, no exceptions, no way out), and what they mandated were all big things, it'd be strong. If it just endorsed a line of action and urged member nations to follow it, it'd probably be mild.

You also have to worry about how many words long the proposal is (read the stickies), whether it makes any real-world (RW) references (read the stickies) and whether it duplicates or contradicts any existing resolutions (read the stickies).

Which is why Flibbleites said, and I strongly endorse (applaud, approve, urge you to do it):

POST IT HERE FIRST!!!

EDIT: It doesn't have to be as formal as I've suggested above, but putting it in clauses does help to get it clear in your own mind. It doesn't have to sound like something a lawyer wrote, either -- but lots of delegations pick through proposals for loopholes, so the tighter you can make the wording, the better.

this is a rough draft so far i am making a final copy through suggestions and verbal threats so thank you for your kind words of encouragement and help.

Another detail: endorsements have to come from UN nations in your region. When you have submitted a proposal, you can ask for approvals for it from all nations.

It's not unusual for a nation in a small region to move to a larger region just long enough to get enough endorsements to submit a proposal, then move back to their own region.

(You might want to cut down on the gun smilies, too. Some of the delegates are sensitive to loud noises.)


Abandon your region, how traiterous...

This thread wasn't even originally in the UN it's kinda hard to know the UN format if it wasn't even in the right spot now is it? Heh sorry if that came off rude.

this is a rough draft so far i am making a final copy through suggestions and verbal threats so thank you for your kind words of encouragement and help.

Uh ... if anyone's been making "verbal threats" to you, you'd better let the Game Mods know through the Getting Help page.:eek:

(I'm hoping this was a typo.)

Abandon your region, how traiterous...

This thread wasn't even originally in the UN it's kinda hard to know the UN format if it wasn't even in the right spot now is it? Heh sorry if that came off rude.

Not rude, just new.:)

It's not "abandoning your region", it's more like making a business trip. You come back when the business is finished.

And if it wasn't in the right spot in the first place, that might well be because someone didn't -- guess what? -- read the stickies.

As stated earlier this may conflict with another resolution R171 UN Eductation Aid Act.. mainly section 66. Entrusts nations with the right and responsibility to decide on the structure of their public education systems and the role of private institutions, mandatory, encouraged and prohibited subjects, skills and course elements in educational institutions, and the financing of educational programs, subject to previous UN legislation still in effect;As this from what we pulled out mandates this course... and sets up who gives it and pays for it as well as who gets it. That to us is not entrusting this to indiviidual nations and a violation of their rights under 171 to decide if they want this and then how to impliment it and when and who funds it as well as who might get it or not get it.. as this clause in it clearly makes this an eduction program: teaching them something they can use and it doesn't cover new ones just ones that might have been in place prior to this with this: subject to previous UN legislation still in effect;So any new ones must entrust things to the individual nations not set them for them or it violates nations right in regards to eduction under R171 Section 6.

Also this one more or less mandates that nations let private citizens have guns.. when some may have laws fully banning them to private citizens period. Also those nations still using spears and bows might not be ready to learn how to use guns.. nor desire to use them. As it gives them no out they must This gun course is mandatory teach it on guns not spears and bows.