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Hey all,

I strongly urge all of you (especially members of the St John Ambulance), to check out my most recent proposal, the "Act of St John".

It is largely about the necessary provision of humanitarian and welfare movements as well as encouragement in the learning and participation in humanitarian services. It also encourages learning of relevant skilks such as first aid, home nursing, and provides opportunities in youth leadership and youth involvement.

Please grant you approval of this proposal if you find it suitable, otherwise you may wish to provide some corrections and tips that I should include in my proposal. After all, it's my very first time.

Thanks tons!

Would be nice if you posted your resolution. I forgotten how to link directly...but, well...

Act of St John
A resolution to reduce income inequality and increase basic welfare.

Category: Social Justice
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Cinta-cinta

Description: Titles
1)This act may be cited as "The Act of the Order of the Hospital of St. John of Jerusalem", or simply as the "Act of St. John".

NOTING the lack of Humanitarian Acts serving in the protection of the people;

FURTHER NOTING the need of Humanitarian and Welfare movements for the improvement of civilization;

BELIEVES that all nations have the obligation to look after its citizens at all times;

Hereby:

1)Defines "Humanitarian acts" as the provision of basic necessities, such as food and shelter, to the populace of the nation;

2)Requires the recognition and establishment of the Order of St. John by the United Nations as the sole provider of humanitarian services;

3)Requires the recognition of the Order of St. John by the United nations as a permanent observer in the name of International Welfare;

4)Mandates that all UN member states recognize the Order of St. John and its sub-organizations as non-religion, non-profit organizations;

5)Mandates that all UN member states establish the St. John Ambulance Brigade and Association to promote the learning of First Aid, Home Nursing and relevant skills;

6)Encourages the establishment of Cadet movement under the Brigade division to promote youth leadership, youth involvement, and the learning of First Aid, Home Nursing and relevant skills;

7)Urges all to work "For the Service of Mankind", with accordance to the mottoes of the Order, which are "Pro Fide" - For the Faith, "Pro Utilitate Hominum" - For the Service of Mankind.

Co-authored by Uncommon Uncommoners

Endorsed by the Axis of Slaves and Chains & West Checksumville.

Approvals: 3 (Cinta-cinta, WZ Forums, Inferian)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 112 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Mon Dec 10 2007

Taking out the "Endorsements" and you'll be fine with this being legal. You aren't supposed to brand, you are only allowed to write a co-author.

1) Why St. John? Who's St. John? Not all of us are Chrisistan, you know. Some of us might even get offended.

2) Sounds to me to be a dupe of the International Red Cross.

http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_past_resolutions/start=28

The IRCO
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.

Category: Human Rights
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Los chingados

Description: This legislation would hereby implement the International Red Cross Organization, an organization whose sole duty is to provide support for all the nations under UN rule. It functions as a non-profit organization and is run purely on donations and grants to prevent the corruption of government from interfering with its main goal to provide food, shelter, and humanitarian aid to those in need. They would be the first response team to natural disasters, terrorist attacks, and any other events which threaten the lives of citizens. May it be so that the interests of all the citizens in the free world be protected by such a humanitarian group such as the IRCO.

3) "Service of Mankind"? You are going to so offend the non-Human races in NationStates. Probraly can keep it since we define 'humans' as including 'non-humans' as well, but keep that in mind.

4) Clause 5 does sound interesting, training people to do better, like health care...but home nursing? Er. Well, I guess I am not that convinced.

Basically, it does sound like a nice start for a new humanitarian group working with the IRCO, but you might want to make its differences more clear. The IRCO would work in internationals crises (like say, a theortical nuclear war between two major superpowers)...while the Order of St. John would work all over the world in day-to-day problems (like say, psyhotic dicatorships or corproate hegomony where the poor starve to death, you guys come in and feed them day after day to ensure their surivial).

EDIT: Found out how to link...
http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=UN_proposal1/match=john

EDIT2: Found out about Clause 2 making St. John the only organization allowed to do humanitarian services, in this case, it would be directly violating IRCO...as well as the fact that other organizations may want to help the poor out too, so it doesn't seem right to stop them from doing so.

2)Requires the recognition and establishment of the Order of St. John by the United Nations as the sole provider of humanitarian services; So in a few years this is repealed and this Order of St John falls apart as it no longer has support of the UN or anyone. Thus all the current 'humanitarian services' this boots out are not here to do anything as they long gone due to this making the OofSJ 'the sole provider'. Also why not something like the United Naitions Welfare Society as see this as that, since it helps those who need food and shelter get it without from what see in it any effort to make them work for it in order to keep it and not become burdens on the UN and it's membership.

7)Urges all to work "For the Service of Mankind", with accordance to the mottoes of the Order, which are "Pro Fide" - For the Faith, "Pro Utilitate Hominum" - For the Service of Mankind. We also would like to know more about this OofSJ...

OOC: Is it not illegal to refer to real world things in a proposal thus this clause we think does that in reference to this Order and then a real world motto for them. As here the language doesn't exist to many nor does this order... then if it connected to a NS nation we feel it is a problem as see them having conflict of interest in this by getting an orginazition already set up in their nation used by the full UN, as done in prior clause 2.

6)Encourages the establishment of Cadet movement under the Brigade division to promote youth leadership, youth involvement, and the learning of First Aid, Home Nursing and relevant skills;This may conflict with any resolution on what nations do in regards to eductating their youth or citizens.. We do like the idea and reguire all females planning to marry when they are able to take two years of medical training in place of the two years males do in military... Either way from age 10-12 our youth get this trype training... as part of their becoming fully privilaged citizens of out nation....... They develope leadership from the day they start school at age 5 and continue to all their lives here.

We would like to have our Wawis be international aid workers as well, but we are not asking exclusive rights for it. Why cant we share the burden? Why should one group monopolize a bailiwick in the UN?

This proposal contravenes the Real-life rule.

The Knights Hospitallier? We've had enough problems with them already, why would the Dasri want them back?

And why as the 'sole provider'? What happens to existing organisations?

~ Hari Desana

This proposal contravenes the Real-life rule.Also this is a rule violation...

Endorsed by the Axis of Slaves and Chains & West Checksumville.As we think you can add only one co=writter or one endorser... this has two.. 1) AofS&C --&-- 2) WC....

I strongly disagree with this proposal. This proposal raises the possibility of increase taxing within each U.N. nation in order to support humanitarian efforts. If the people want to fund humanitarian efforts, they will make donations. It is not the job of government to intervene in the private affairs of others and this is the first step of the government seeking to control not only humanitarian efforts, but also health care, the food industry, and various other industries that are needed for survival.

The clause mandating that this new group be the "sole provider of humanitarian services" would have to go. Also, we'd have issue with Clause 4. You can't really expect us to consider a group named after a Christian saint, with a motto like "For the Faith", to be a "non-religion" organization. We also don't like the idea of being told what organizations we have to recognize as non-profit or not. In any event, the religiously-tinged references would have to go too for us to support something like this. With all due respect to your Saint John, we'd rather not pay homage to any particular religious figure in UN legislation.

Aside from the legality/rules violations, and the religious stuff, we could tentatively support something like this, though. We don't see anything within the IRCO resolution that explicitly says that there can't be two groups that perform a similar mission. Of course, we'd like to see a more clearly defined and delineated resolution of what IRCO does and when, but we'd have to repeal the original IRCO resolution for that, and we're not prepared to try to fight that battle anytime soon.

Ikir Askanabath, Ambassador

It's been almost a week since the first post. I don't believe the author is coming back.