NationStates Jolt Archive

This isn't my resolution, but someone's elses who seems to, ahem, er...

Category: Social Justice
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Frattastan
We, the people of the United Nations,

Recognizing that the final objective of the Nations should be the creation of a society based on human dignity where, thanks to the science and technology, the humanity, free from the oppression of the need to survive, could reach the highest levels of knowledge,

Recognizing that reducing the income inequality should consent the lower classes to work together with the upper classes to the benefit of humanity,

Recognizing that the workers' committees, relocating the means of production to the lower classes should reduce income inequality,

Determine that :

1) Workers shall possess the right to form workers’ committees to defend their interests and democratically intervene in company life.

2) Decisions to form workers’ committees shall be taken by the workers in question, who shall approve the committees’ by-laws and shall elect their members by direct, secret ballot.

3) Coordinating committees may be created with a view to improving intervention in economic restructuring and to guaranteeing workers’ interests.

4) Committee members shall enjoy the legal protection accorded to trade union delegates.

5) Workers’ committees shall possess the right:
- To receive all the information needed to perform their tasks;
- To monitor the management of businesses;
- To participate in corporate restructuring processes, especially in relation to training actions or when working conditions are altered;
- To take part in drawing up labour legislation and economic and social plans that address their sector;
- To manage, or participate in the management of, businesses’ social activities;
- To promote the election of workers’ representatives to the management bodies of businesses that belong to the state or other public bodies, as laid down by law.
- To take control of company by approval of the two-thirds votes of the workers' and consenting only to workers to manage the company without no external intervention by the state or by the past employers. A compensation will be paid by the State to the employer.

ICly, my country would be for it, despite NatSov concerns. OOCly, I say "Boo!", as this would basically ruin most corporate-based governments. Either way, I think it should be sent to a vote, even so it only got 34 endorsements.

We honestly fail to see the difference between workers' committees and self-appointed middle management. Even with our generally suspicious attitude towards industry, we couldn't countenance doing something so obviously unhelpful to a company.

Pardon me, but I'm not entirely sure I see a necessary difference between these 'workers committees' and unions. Could you please clarify?

~ Hari Desana

The Worker's Commitees can choose to fire their own bosses and take over the corporations themselves.

The Worker's Commitees can choose to fire their own bosses and take over the corporations themselves.It will be a cold day in helville or hot one in frigidzonia when workers take over a company owned by legal owners without paying for it and through a legal process other than just they don't like the way it may be run.. We have hung those who attempt to take over our government and will do the same for anyone who attempts to take over by force or group madness a company operating in our nation. Call those who desire to take it over whatever you want, worker commitee or union or terrorists, they shall pay for their crimes.

A compensation will be paid by the State to the employer. As long as owners/employers pay state taxes they will be protected from anyone who attempts to take over their company without due process and proper payment to them for that company. The state is not in the business of taking over or buying companies but in protecting them that they may provide jobs for citizens and thus pay taxes that support the state and keep it alive.

Citizens have a process they can use to file grievences against companies that do not operate according to standards and should use it not group together and take over the company. Thus they will have state support only when they use state agencies to correct problems not individual or group terrorism.

Vidamoor Hardarse,
CEO Bombs for Peace,
Security Council Advisor Garne Royal Guard.

WE concure with Hardarse on this one and have already designed a strong rope for just such cases.

Hungup Noosebutt,
CEO Ropes Unlimited,
Security Council Advisor Garne Royal Guard.

In light of the current status between workers and management here we see this as support for rebels who only want to disrupt the operation of our company mining operations.. As they have failed to get any headway here they have found allies in the UN. Thus this piece of trash has been written. We can only hope the UN membership will see the dangers of this and not allow it to go forward.

Iddano Wattisgoona,
CEO Cavirrian Mining Company #333,
Security Council Advisor Garne Royal Guard.

Sir Noosebutt we shall soon need to test those ropes as we have some of these who call themselves trade union delegates but in fact have been proven to be terrorists and shall soon be dealt with as soon as our order with you can be filled. This trash can say what it wants:

4) Committee members shall enjoy the legal protection accorded to trade union delegates. and we shall give them all legal rights of trail and then hang them.

Judass Nocares,
Chief Judge First Court of Faith,
Advisor to Hismistress Blueyes NsLoveumm

As my Wawis have traveled the world we have noticed some peculiarities. First, the education and training systems are very specialized in forming professionals in their chosen fields. Second, there is no cross-specialization.

How do you expect workers who have the training to operate the machinery to be better decision makers than the bosses who have been educated to make decisions? That would be like the martial arts student telling his instructor how to train others in a specialized maneuver. Our Wawis would never allow any of our students to presume that they are Wawa experts.

As my Wawis have traveled the world we have noticed some peculiarities. First, the education and training systems are very specialized in forming professionals in their chosen fields. Second, there is no cross-specialization.

How do you expect workers who have the training to operate the machinery to be better decision makers than the bosses who have been educated to make decisions? That would be like the martial arts student telling his instructor how to train others in a specialized maneuver. Our Wawis would never allow any of our students to presume that they are Wawa experts.

Sometimes a student is extremely qualified in how to instructor a teacher how to improve.

As for the proposal, I'm not clear on the intent of the third preambulatory clause:


Recognizing that the workers' committees, relocating the means of production to the lower classes should reduce income inequality,


I'd also like to see something in the preamble (just a sentence) making a case for why this topic is important for relations between nations.

OOC: I just completed some interviews at work, and following the interviews, I asked one of our new engineers (he is moving from being a student with us to a full-time engineer), what his thoughts on the interview process were. I made it very clear that he could say whatever he wanted and that I wanted feedback -- which he gave some. I'd trust him in a heartbeat to conduct a fair and good set of interviews.

The nation of Francisa has a problem with this. Why not just reform the resolution to facilitate the responsible use of unions, this seems the goal of the writer.
- To take control of company by approval of the two-thirds votes of the workers' and consenting only to workers to manage the company without no external intervention by the state or by the past employers. A compensation will be paid by the State to the employer.
Francisa will absolutely not vote for this resolution if this clause is kept as is.

OOC: Yeah, that clause sucks. Anyway, this resolution seems to be gunning for rights for unions, why not say that.

OOC: I'm not sure I agree with that - to me it looks like trying to usurp the role of unions with a friendlier title, but much more painful details. Plus there's potential for a good square-off between the former union and the new 'workers committee'.

. Plus there's potential for a good square-off between the former union and the new 'workers committee'.
OOC: I don't think it'd be a fair one, this resolution makes what appears to me as a State backed union. Anything state supported will squash whatever competition it has.

OOC: Meant more as a joke than anything. But have a look at the politics of Telstra in Australia before you go claiming that state support is an instant victory.

Though Evoinia has a simmilar system nationally where all business is run completely by Worker's Councils

No real bosses though for us, everyone is on an equal footing and does exactly what they are capable according to their level of education, but all major decisions are discussed by meetings of the entire council of workers.

Then again, all of Evoinia's business is cooperative to begin with and much smaller in overall size, meaning that large corperations were broken up into managable-sized collectives.

Now of course, we are a Socialist State and this legislation is bent towards a socialist view of things...

Noting that there are many un-Socialist Nations and our desire to presere their rights of sovergnity, we decline to support this legislation.

OOC: This kind of thing doesn't HAVE to be state-run, as they could just be independant cooperative organizations which are privately funded.

Sometimes a student is extremely qualified in how to instructor a teacher how to improve.

but you are only providing the exception that proves the general rule

OOC: I don't think it'd be a fair one, this resolution makes what appears to me as a State backed union. Anything state supported will squash whatever competition it has.
OOC: er, no. This looks nothing at all like a union, which is fortunate for it because it would otherwise have to step carefully around the UN's current legislation on unions. It's actually middle-management by an unfireable committee of workers, which is a very different animal with much further-reaching power.

We see this as a clear grant for the workers in any nation to overthrow that national government and take it over getting around the established system. We also see this as giving way for discenting privates to overthrow their commanders in a military company or unit and thus not doing what they should be doing. We see kaos if this is passed and systems in place to fix problems are given over to this. We see governments falling as by it citizens take over getting around any established system of making changes.

Court clerks who are working under/for a judge over that court can take over and oust the judge, clerks working in state offices can take over and oust the elected officials they were hired to work for.. All they have to do is form a worker's committee and vote to do this. What happens if I'm the only one working for a person... and I say oust them, got the 2/3 vote mine... so they gone. The state can pay them and I'm now running things. All by myself as I hire nobody to work for me so no workers to form a committee to oust me.

We also see it as a way for terrorist to move in and take over things working to gain control of vital companies in a nation that by their being their keep the nation alive. As we believe history has shown us it is possible for groups to slip in and work to gain full control of governments through slowly taking over the lifeblood of that government it's support system.

Thus this needs to be voted down should it ever be presented for vote... and should it be voted on then may we all survive the outcome of what it will bring if it passes as is. As it distroys all existing forms of democracy and puts it in the hands of these worker committees.....

I'm all for this proposal. Reducing the power of authoritarian institutions is not an authoritarian act as some capitalist-minded individuals may think.

Yours depressed-over-the-freespeech-act-edly,
Citizen of Librustralia