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The following is a proposal that i wish to submit. in order to submit it, however, I need at least two endorsments. please tell me if
1. this type of proposal is allowed
2. what your thoughts on this are and finaly
3. your suggestions for improvement or flaws that you see so as to not have to repeal it later.

the proposal goes as follows:
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I hereby propose that all persons wishing to gain entry into any UN nation must go through a thorough mind and soul scan. These soul scans would identify levels of negative emotions such as hate, jealousy, lust for power ect., As well as levels of positive emotions.

Upon detecting negative energies in the subjects mind/soul that exceed a given limit, the person will be subjected to rehabilitation and restricted citizenship. any individuals that have excessive negative levels will be imprisoned and subjected to extreme amounts of psychological help.

I am willing to provide the necessary technology, magical data, and initial training necessary to perform these scans. If this proposal is accepted, all UN nations will receive this technology, magic formula data, and all technologies/formulas associated with it. Once a certain number of representatives from each nation is trained. It will be up to said nation to perform any further training.

you do realize that you'd be its first victim once the proposal became law don't you? i don't think the UN is a good place for your nation to commit suicide.

Sound like witchcraft. Glog not like. Witchcraft BAD!!! Make crops fail.

Glog Firemaker, son of Glog Crushdogskullwithrock
UN Ambassador

If I said this infringed on national sovereignty I'd get a laugh. I won't... honestly.

I'd just like to throw this out there, not all nations "have" magic. Not all nations recognize the "soul". Also why is lust for power a bad thing?

you do realize that you'd be its first victim once the proposal became law don't you? i don't think the UN is a good place for your nation to commit suicide.

I agree. We don't pay the janitors near enough.

Also:
Glog! Witchcraft good! Glog not know good witchcraft. Fire magic! Fire good! Fire good witchcraft. Trey know many good magic. Trey show Glog.

Sound like witchcraft. Glog not like. Witchcraft BAD!!! Make crops fail.

Glog Firemaker, son of Glog Crushdogskullwithrock
UN Ambassador

I understand your sentiments, however, magic, used properly, can be used to help crops. the magic taught in the region of pure crossings is non-evil in nature. all magic is connected with natural positive energies. powers that are of an evil nature are baned. while accidents may happen in terms of miscalculation, they should be rare if the users are properly trained in magic wielding. if one of your representatives wishes to come and observe some of our healing and enhancing techniques, they are free to do so.

If I said this infringed on national sovereignty I'd get a laugh. I won't... honestly.

I'd just like to throw this out there, not all nations "have" magic. Not all nations recognize the "soul". Also why is lust for power a bad thing?



I agree. We don't pay the janitors near enough.

Also:
Glog! Witchcraft good! Glog not know good witchcraft. Fire magic! Fire good! Fire good witchcraft. Trey know many good magic. Trey show Glog.

this is why I would provide training in this branch of magics use as well as the technology that goes with it. while it may take more time for some nations to learn than others, in time all could become familiar with at least this branch of magical and technological study.

as to the issue of souls: every living being has some form of soul. the form often depends on dimensional origin or some similar difference between two sets of people (for example some have a soul, some have a spark, others have a willow-wisp and many have been found to have ghosts. the most fundamental way of explaining this is that everyone has information describing their very existence (DNA is one of the simplest as well as least informative of these reading techniques). I have the tech to read everything about a person including emotions, memories and other permanent things that are imprinted on the persons existence code.

as to lust for power: I mean the desire to have power for no good reason. I don't mean ambition and the desire for power so as to help make the world a better place. I refer to greed and the will to do terrible things to satisfy that greed.

finally, as to the whole "suicide" thing. I fail to catch your meaning and would apriciate if you whould elaborate on how this would kill my nation.:confused:

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I hereby propose that all persons wishing to gain entry into any UN nation must go through a thorough mind and soul scan. These soul scans would identify levels of negative emotions such as hate, jealousy, lust for power ect., As well as levels of positive emotions.



Proposing that the nation of Roseariea be required to administer some far fetched scan that apparently reads the mind and soul of every person wishing to enter our borders is a gross infringement on our nation's position on civil rights. We will not subject people to the invasion that this scan represents, we do not care how effective employing such a scan may be in detecting whatever the flying hell your soul scans are supposedly able to detect, our top scientists find the technology you propose dubious at best, and our religious leaders have expressed to me personally that this scan is in direct violation of many of their tenets which are protected under our own national constitution and which we do not care to lose for no apparently valid reason.

We do not want the access to the technology you claim to have, and the day it is forced upon us is the day that Roseariea resigns its UN membership.

Further, the idea of forcing citizens whose scans come out unfavourable into intense "government rehabilitation" is a form of brain washing we want no part of.

For these reasons and dozens upon dozens more, the people of my nation stand firmly against this proposal.

-Gordon Tills, Roseariean Ambassador to the UN

Please keep in mind that the type of magic you are talking about doesn't work in all nations. No matter the amount of training and practice there are some places it simply will not work.

Richard York
UN Ambassador

This is ridiculous.

Harmalan Shandreth
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yes,but the zone is disgraced to even have an assumption made that a 'soul' exists.

the zone is a nation of science and does not believe in your silly magic tricks.

in fact we executed 5 people who said such a thing. for the UN to pass a rule saying a soul exists would be very silly.

Proposing that the nation of Roseariea be required to administer some far fetched scan that apparently reads the mind and soul of every person wishing to enter our borders is a gross infringement on our nation's position on civil rights. We will not subject people to the invasion that this scan represents, we do not care how effective employing such a scan may be in detecting whatever the flying hell your soul scans are supposedly able to detect, our top scientists find the technology you propose dubious at best, and our religious leaders have expressed to me personally that this scan is in direct violation of many of their tenets which are protected under our own national constitution and which we do not care to lose for no apparently valid reason.


You make a good point. a clause should be added. sorry for not being more specific. this is only a rough draft after all.

these scans would be completely confidential in nature. not to mention the things scanned would not show specific data, only a general graph of the readings. while it is true that we could technically invade the mind of the subject as you are suggesting, we too find such things extremely disgusting in nature. the only time that we would truly read the mind of a living thing is in the following circumstances

1. their is a language barrier and memories of the language as it is being learned must be examined for translation perposes

2. the levels of emotional instability and corruption are at such a level that the person is an obvious threat to himself or others

at no time would we ever change the being who is mentally read in any way by brute force (rewriting the persons soul, altering neurons ect.) the rehabilitation program would be an alternative to throwing people in prisons to rot away or in insane institutions. it is not meant to brainwash. people who are alone in the world would be given friendship. those who were tortured until their mind cracked would be given good food and care. In other words, we would bombard them with the type of lessons you see on Saturday morning cartoons. political opinion would not even enter the equation

If your scientists would like to to see our technology, they are free to do so. I seriously doubt that they can challenge the information gathered from millions of alternate realities and dimensions in which half of them are millions of more years more advanced than most of the countries in the world of Nationstate.

yes,but the zone is disgraced to even have an assumption made that a 'soul' exists.

the zone is a nation of science and does not believe in your silly magic tricks.

in fact we executed 5 people who said such a thing. for the UN to pass a rule saying a soul exists would be very silly.

First of all, i have already pointed out that many beings have this soul in the form of the "mind" aka your brain. the "soul" is just a blob of pure data that represents your mind as well as some of your physical attributes.

as for magic, you seem to be thinking of card tricks and such. this is far more complex. some people have the capacity to affect the workings of nature and reality through the control of energy. complicated magic like this often takes years of technical planing before a proper formula is created and able to be used repeatedly. As you can see, their is more science to this than you think

Wouldn't this screening be considerd, Whats the word, seperation? If they want to join, they should not have to go through a scan. If it is possible, then it should be totaly volentary.

Wouldn't this screening be considerd, Whats the word, seperation? If they want to join, they should not have to go through a scan. If it is possible, then it should be totaly volentary.

it is intended to keep the population as a whole moral and uncorrupted. it is also to help convert evil people into good kind individuals. This way, we can help others recover from evil influences while preventing evil mentality from being spread through the populous. street gangs create street gangs. murderers teach others to be murderers. if you WANT to be scaned for your personal flaws, then that is a sign that you want to change for the better. completely corrupt individuals will not be interested in becoming a caring, friendly person unless they are shown that it is better to bee good. if they realize that, then half the battle is already won

"Morality and Corruption are in the eye of the beholder. One piece of Legislation cannot dictate what Morality is for the entirety of the United Nations. And scanning a deligations head doesn't really count as the deligation from one UN Member nation can change over the course of several years. Some nations go through a different Ambassador to the United Nations roughly 3 times a year.

What you are suggesting in this proposal would be completely and utterly rediculous to enforce on a grand scale with an organization as big as the United Nations. There are tend of thousands of member nations and this would take money that the United Nations just doesn't have."

"Morality and Corruption are in the eye of the beholder. One piece of Legislation cannot dictate what Morality is for the entirety of the United Nations. And scanning a deligations head doesn't really count as the deligation from one UN Member nation can change over the course of several years. Some nations go through a different Ambassador to the United Nations roughly 3 times a year.

What you are suggesting in this proposal would be completely and utterly rediculous to enforce on a grand scale with an organization as big as the United Nations. There are tend of thousands of member nations and this would take money that the United Nations just doesn't have."

you make valid points. this is a scanning of emotions, however, and does not go into specifics. This makes it much easier to come to a consensus about what levels to pay attention to. I never mentioned scanning delegates, only immigrants (however, this is not a bad idea. If this is passed, it can be brought up at a later date.)

In terms of money and scale, it would only be preformed on immigrants. I have ways of producing the equipment cheaply and efficiently. as for training, I will provide the initial training free of charge. each nation would need only a few personnel to handle scans. the technology is hand-held so it will not require much material so it will be cheap. the most expensive part is the training. I am sure you can afford to train twenty or so personnel. please don't assume it will be expensive just because it is advanced ;)

Please keep in mind that the type of magic you are talking about doesn't work in all nations. No matter the amount of training and practice there are some places it simply will not work.

Richard York
UN Ambassador

sorry i forgot to reply to your argument.:eek:

it is true that i have noticed that different nations see to have different physical laws that they abide by. my theory is that this world may be connected to many different dimensions. it's...complicated. anyhow, this tech has the ability to alter itself based on the local physics and can be customized for different species.

You make a good point. a clause should be added. sorry for not being more specific. this is only a rough draft after all.

these scans would be completely confidential in nature.... (insert crazy bits)

The day the Roseariean people support these scans in any fashion is the day that a drunken chinchilla wins our national election on the platform of free coats for all.

- Everyone in Roseariea, via trans-magnetic-holo-magi-xeno-waves, it is sure to be received by your scientists.

You would be its first victim because you are assuming that a technological device is to be judge of a person's motives before he even acts upon them. You wish to force submission of this device upon all without giving a choice and when you pretend to give choice you manipulate by claiming that all good people will happily comply and only evil/selfish people will avoid.

You are oversimplifying complex issues and proposing your nation as the savior of our ills. You are, in essence treating every adult as children that need to be assessed. This is a breach of freedom to choose to do good or to do evil. If you eliminate the possibility of that choice, you become worse than evil and therefore under the guidelines of your own machine, you need to be sent off to be re-educated.

My nation, if given the choice, will not voluntarily comply to undergo such flawed evaluations. Will you now make your accusation official that we are a nation full of criminals? If you do, then you are being racist and that is also a no no in your own psychological guidelines. So perhaps you should send yourself off to be psychologically re-educated and stop sounding like some sage who is in reality only a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Emperor Ceasar of ShogunKhan has spoken. Hooah!

it is intended to keep the population as a whole moral and uncorrupted. it is also to help convert evil people into good kind individuals. This way, we can help others recover from evil influences while preventing evil mentality from being spread through the populous. street gangs create street gangs. murderers teach others to be murderers. if you WANT to be scaned for your personal flaws, then that is a sign that you want to change for the better. completely corrupt individuals will not be interested in becoming a caring, friendly person unless they are shown that it is better to bee good. if they realize that, then half the battle is already won

Ever herd of chaos theory? Chaos leads to order, atempting to creect the chaos would only breed more chaos, and requireing those who wish to join the un to be scanned would only drive them away.

The following is a proposal that i wish to submit. in order to submit it, however, I need at least two endorsments. please tell me if
1. this type of proposal is allowed
2. what your thoughts on this are and finaly
3. your suggestions for improvement or flaws that you see so as to not have to repeal it later.

the proposal goes as follows:
_________________________________________________________________
I hereby propose that all persons wishing to gain entry into any UN nation must go through a thorough mind and soul scan. These soul scans would identify levels of negative emotions such as hate, jealousy, lust for power ect. ... <snip>
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1. No.
2 and 3: therefore irrelevant.

Sorry, World Haven, but this is another good roleplay idea that just can't work as a UN proposal idea.

The UN is a forum where roleplay is permitted. But it's not a forum where roleplay is obligatory. To discuss your proposal, the non-roleplaying nations would have to RP that this technology exists.

True, they already have some RP forced on them -- the gnomes, the gnome-staffed committees, and so on -- but those are UN forum conventions they put up with.

Another UN convention is that UN proposals have to be general enough to be applied, if successful, in reasonable nations; that's often what people mean when they talk about proposals being "international in scope".

The most general/international-in-scope idea I can find behind your proposal is that UN delegates' psychological state should be tested (leaving out how it's done).

But, note, many nations don't even have UN delegates. They just post as themselves, the player known as @nation name@.

And a suggestion that players' psychological state be tested -- shudder -- that'd be a Gameplay or Technical issue, not one for this forum.

This doesn't mean that your nation can't have the technology you mention. Or that your UN rep can't cart it down to the Strangers' Bar and offer to test the customers. It just means that you can't make the UN legislate on it.

You would be its first victim because you are assuming that a technological device is to be judge of a person's motives before he even acts upon them. You wish to force submission of this device upon all without giving a choice and when you pretend to give choice you manipulate by claiming that all good people will happily comply and only evil/selfish people will avoid.

You are oversimplifying complex issues and proposing your nation as the savior of our ills. You are, in essence treating every adult as children that need to be assessed. This is a breach of freedom to choose to do good or to do evil. If you eliminate the possibility of that choice, you become worse than evil and therefore under the guidelines of your own machine, you need to be sent off to be re-educated.

My nation, if given the choice, will not voluntarily comply to undergo such flawed evaluations. Will you now make your accusation official that we are a nation full of criminals? If you do, then you are being racist and that is also a no no in your own psychological guidelines. So perhaps you should send yourself off to be psychologically re-educated and stop sounding like some sage who is in reality only a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Emperor Ceasar of ShogunKhan has spoken. Hooah!

you seem to have misunderstood something important. I have already stated that the scans should be confidential. I have also stated that it would only show a simple bar graph of emotions imprinted on the soul/mind.the limit would either be set by individual nations or by general consensus by the UN

I have never claimed to be all knowing, but i do consider myself a good person. but even I can tell if someone is good or bad in general. I am completely open to the debate of what is right and what is wrong. :(

bad people WILL avoid the scans, however good people may avoid it out of fear of not being a good enough person or fear that others will know something about him that he does not want them to. think of it as taking a test. if you care about your grade, you will be worried about doing bad and having that fault laid bare before you and others. no one takes a voluntary test unless they have complete confidence in themselves.

I am sorry though. I seem to have misunderstood the function of prisons and punishing criminals. I WAS offering a possibly more less brutal and problem-causing way of detaining them (as wall as preventing them from becoming them in the more common, less extreme circumstances), but seeing how prisons much less my method would take away the right to comite crimes and acts of evil, i suppose we should release all the bad people from their holding facilities. ;)

not allowed :(:eek::(:eek:

oh well, it was fun to discuss this issue with others anyway. (prehaps this could be submited as a future issue :) )

I would like to thank you all for your inspiring outlook on this position. if you wish to continue the debate then we may do so.

Mr. moderator person thingy, if this thread should be moved to some other place, then please let me know and I will continue it somewhere else. I would rather keep it here though due to all the progress it has made. ;)

If you do continue the debate, i will not be able to respond for about a week due to camping. feel free to point out more problems with my argument or...eer...bash it as some of you seem to enjoy doing. :rolleyes: I will respond in whatever clever way i can muster up next week. ;)

Mr. moderator person thingy, if this thread should be moved to some other place, then please let me know and I will continue it somewhere else. I would rather keep it here though due to all the progress it has made. ;)

I won't be moving it, but just for your info: do you know about the Subscribed Threads feature? If you go to Settings you can fix it so that every thread you post in will be listed in your subscribed threads. Then, if a thread is moved, you have no trouble finding out where it's gone; you just click on it.

I also note that I misread your idea somewhat, as it has to do with border checks rather than UN delegate checks; however, the point about the need for proposals to be international in scope still holds.

Don't be discouraged, though. We need all the discussable proposals we can get, especially ones that are fundamentally benign. Please keep trying.

you seem to have misunderstood something important. I have already stated that the scans should be confidential.

confidential? irrelevant.

bad people WILL avoid the scans

assumption of the highest order, many will take the test as a challenge to beat it, human ingenuity will always beat out technology. Why do you think forgers still exist today, or hackers. There is no such thing as an unbeatable technology. But if you implement this, you create the assumption that the results are accurate and will cause a new witch hunt against innocent people. Read history of what good intentions did for catching the guilty. If you think you are immune to this then you are not as "good" as you think you are.

no one takes a voluntary test unless they have complete confidence in themselves.

there you go trying to manipulate compliance again. Manipulation is not a good deed.

I am sorry though. I seem to have misunderstood the function of prisons and punishing criminals. I WAS offering a possibly more less brutal and problem-causing way of detaining them (as wall as preventing them from becoming them in the more common, less extreme circumstances), but seeing how prisons much less my method would take away the right to comite crimes and acts of evil, i suppose we should release all the bad people from their holding facilities.

Your solution creates more problems than solves them. Just because your idea is not used does not imply an opposite extreme as the only alternative.

OOC-->read Foucault, he explores the prison system's evolution in one of his books. His argument indicates that the so-called psychological rehabilitation is more invasive of one's privacy than anything we have ever had, therefore more morally repugnant.

Watch the movie Clockwork Orange and how the prisoner is manipulated to feel ill whenever he thinks of any violent act. The prisoner is not a new person, but his criminal element is only submerged, camouflaged. When he escapes from his "programming" he knows how to "act" properly but now he is a more dangerous criminal because he has learned to play the system. Your proposal would have presumed we were all criminals that need to be watched and processed. While the true criminals only learn to play the newer system.

3rd, look at the movie Gattaca. The inferior genetic person manages to play the system and gets treated as a superior genetic person which brings the entire assumption of inferior and superior in question.

Lastly, Minority Report (I think? with Tom Cruise) a law enforcement agency who arrests criminals before they actually commit a crime... Turns out the real crime had gone undetected and the person who was about to discover it was accused of a crime before he had the chance to discover the real criminal and put a stop to it.

If you do continue the debate, i will not be able to respond for about a week due to camping. feel free to point out more problems with my argument or...eer...bash it as some of you seem to enjoy doing. :rolleyes: I will respond in whatever clever way i can muster up next week. ;)

Happy camping to you. Hooah!

it is intended to keep the population as a whole moral and uncorrupted. it is also to help convert evil people into good kind individuals. This way, we can help others recover from evil influences while preventing evil mentality from being spread through the populous. street gangs create street gangs. murderers teach others to be murderers. if you WANT to be scaned for your personal flaws, then that is a sign that you want to change for the better. completely corrupt individuals will not be interested in becoming a caring, friendly person unless they are shown that it is better to bee good. if they realize that, then half the battle is already won

Good? Kind? What kind of crap is your country's leader feeding you? No one is perfectly 'good' or 'kind'. We all have evil and good mixed within us.
Assuming that people are 'evil' or 'good' or 'crazy' or 'normal' is very subjective because someone may consider a person who does random acts of kindness crazy because it may seem illogical. Another may see them as normal. A third as good for being kind.

Someone who wants to take over the world may be seen as normal by some who also want to take over the world, evil by those who feel that it is selfish of them and a third crazy because they feel that such a task is physically impossible.

I could go on for a while but I'll stop here and hope I remember this in a week.
Happy camping.

OOC: no camping after all due to rain :rolleyes:. however, I do have to deal with a piece of $#!% computer while on thanksgiving vacation :headbang: so responses may be slow:(.

IC: dear ShogunKhan, you have made excellent points. I am well aware that their are individuals with high level hacking skills. Shoot, their have even been cases were people have created temporary split personalities to evade detection. The system only acts as a preventive, not an immunity.

If i am manipulating compliance, I don't mean to. I am trying to show what I think would be the general thought pattern in response to this. their will naturally be many exceptions to this way of thinking.

while I have not sent any agents to the worlds you mentioned, I do find your observations on the movies and books that reference their dimensions to be significant. capturing criminals would not be completely reliant on scans. manipulating the system would be possibly problematic. Of course this would require good acting skills in addition to high level hack and magical ability, but as I have said the system is not perfect.

the rehabilitation will not be nearly as intrusive as you seem to be thinking. it would be very little "therapy" the person in question may get an hour of therapy every two days or so but the rest would involve putting him/her/it amongst other people. they would be kept under close watch until it reached a point where we would be comfortable to let them self actualize on their own (in other words become a good enough person to live normally in society.) if a mistake was made, we would catch it fairly quickly. people would not be arrested if no crime was committed. They would only be kept under watch for a while. more severe cases (such as that of Sephiroth or Freddie Krueger, other-worlders who are high generals in our arch enemy, Hate Haven's, army, I don't know what we would do if we ever got our hands on those nutjobs.) may require proper imprisonment.

This system is better because, lets face it, prisons make bad criminals worse. we need to treat prisoners with kindness rather than force. People should not follow laws out of fear, but do so because it is good to do so.

In response to Uiri's argument, I am well aware of the duality of good and evil (god am I aware of it, I sometimes wish I was a little more ignorant). But you must agree that you should be as good as possible right? that is what we are trying to accomplish. It sure would be nice to be able to make a completely pure person, however, the only sure way to do that is to take a newborn infant, put it in a coma and stick it on life support in some dark box. in other words, just living life produces some evil. you just have to try to have as little as possible.

The Holy Empire of Pugliasium politely asks how the NSUN would conduct these "soul scannings." According to Pugliese theocracy the soul is a complicated thing that cannot be reached a humans, as if, it existed in the same space on a diffferent dimension.

Is it through the means of witchcraft because that might not go so well with others. If the means are scientific then that might be better. In fact Pugliasium is considering making an anti-sorcery resolution.

His Eminemce Ambassador Cardinal Phillip Tonnas IV
Dictated but not read

Written by Sister Joanna Parole

PS Would a psychology test be easier to administer?

Note your own self-contradictions and you can see how your own proposal falls apart as an efficient method of prevention. Must I try to be good? Is goodness relative or universal. If goodness is relative then your machine can work because you define good as "x" or "y" and you can judge it accordingly. If goodness is universal then you can not presume that you are competent enough to know goodness enough to be the implementor of this machine upon others. In either case, you impose the machine upon others and in both situations you do not reach the level of goodness to be above any other being.

OOC-->a debate in political science is along the lines of humanity's basic structure. On one side, it is "assumed" that human beings are generally good and that if they commit evil then it is societal structures that have caused this. On the other side of the debate, it is "assumed" that human beings are generally selfish and that societal structures are needed to keep them in line.

In law enforcement, the criminal can be rehabilitated back to good or the criminal must be punished to keep him from acting bad again. In international relations, nations can just make international laws and trade and these structures will prevent all wars because debates will always win the day or nations can strengthen alliance relationships and balance against the opposing alliance so that no alliance is more powerful than the other to impose the will of the strong upon the weak and hence prevent wars.

Neither side has any evidence that can ever satisfy the other side, so both operate on assumptions and both have influenced politics throughout the generations. Your proposal is based upon one set of assumption and you must be made aware that there is an opposing side that will reject your assumption out of hand and if you try to impose or insinuate that your opponents are somehow less moral you'll just betray your good intentions leading the world to hell and that my dear ambassador is why the machine would see you as the greatest evil this world has ever seen!

I should also point out that the vast majority of Roseariea's citizens are atheist, and many of them do not even believe in the concept of the soul. We don't find it acceptable to force them into a scan of any sort.

Gordon Tills, Roseareiean Ambassador.

I should also point out that the vast majority of Roseariea's citizens are atheist, and many of them do not even believe in the concept of the soul. We don't find it acceptable to force them into a scan of any sort.

Gordon Tills, Roseareiean Ambassador.

See? And many religious people who do believe in souls would support and defend the atheists' right to not be subjected to such foolish scans.

Imagine walking into some store to buy groceries and before you can enter you must submit yourself to a questionnaire to see if you have the psychology of a thief.

I must protest this proposal in the strongest terms. We of my nation believe in the soul, but we believe our souls are on loan to us from our Great Goddess. We are tasked with keeping those souls pure and clean, so that they may be worthy of being returned to her, lest they be sentenced to wander the earth until they can be cleansed.

Such a scan as is proposed here could do nothing -but- taint our souls, as any foreign touch might. It's both intrusive and repulsive to us, and we could never allow such a terrible thing.

Serifina Karin
Ambassador to the United Nations
Sacred Kingdom of Karianis

Well, the UN isn't going to allow it, so there's no problem.

I think this thread has served its purpose as a UN proposal discussion thread.

If you want to carry on the good-vs-evil, or If You Could Enforce Goodness, Would You, and Why? debate, then General's the place for it. Whoever wants to continue would have to start a new thread there.

EDIT: BTW, Pugliasium, an anti-sorcery resolution has equally little chance, for much the same reasons.