NationStates Jolt Archive

To start off, we would like to commend the thoughtfulness of the nation of G l o g,

We found that they have great insight in order to find that Resolution 80 has good intentions but actually does nothing, while resolution 99 "Discrimination Accord" actuall requires fair treatment.

However, it has come to our attention that the G l o g nation is in violation of United Nations Resolution #41 "END BARBARIC PUNISHMENTS"

Their people have adopted the position of sitting back and allowing the atrocity of the torture of suspected criminals. We ask that the United Nations Judiciary see fit to fine them appropriately as mandated in Resolution #41.


Hawaiian Freedom - Delegate to the HawaiianFreedom nation

To start off, we would like to commend the thoughtfulness of the nation of G l o g,

We found that they have great insight in order to find that Resolution 80 has good intentions but actually does nothing, while resolution 99 "Discrimination Accord" actuall requires fair treatment.

However, it has come to our attention that the G l o g nation is in violation of United Nations Resolution #41 "END BARBARIC PUNISHMENTS"

Their people have adopted the position of sitting back and allowing the atrocity of the torture of suspected criminals. We ask that the United Nations Judiciary see fit to fine them appropriately as mandated in Resolution #41.


Hawaiian Freedom - Delegate to the HawaiianFreedom nation


OOC:
The NSUN doesn't work like the RLUN. They don't 'enforce' the resolutions in that manner. They just set up the laws in the member nations, and if a nation finds a loophole in it that they can use to their advantage, then they do that.

That's most likely what happened with G.L.O.G.s nation. He found a loophole and he's exploiting it.

Don't try to presuppose what they did in order to receive global praise, while harming their own people. I ask that their nation explain themselves. They're trying to promote the creation of better legislation for equal rights, and they don't grant these rights to their own citizens.

HawaiianFreedom - Delegate to the HawaiianFreedom nation

United Nations Judiciary
Glog not know about "United Nations judiciary". HawaiianFreedom people explain to Glog.

Glog Firemaker, son of Glog Crushdogskullwithrock
UN Ambassador

In short, the United Nations members would vote on the severity of the violations G l o g has committed on the resolutions G l o g has agreed upon, and appropriate Sanctions or Fines would be applied. All proceeds would be applied to the United Nations policy implementation for all current resolutions that the United Nations supports.


HawaiianFreedom - Delegate to the HawaiianFreedom nation

Of course, no nation would make such accusations without evidence sufficient to convince the nations of the UN, would it?

If you have it, I suggest your leadership gives details in one of the RP forums (International Incidents seems appropriate) and those nations who are convinced will no doubt take what they consider to be appropriate steps.

(There's always the possibility that those nations who are not convinced will, too ...)

Translation: Sorry, it makes a useful RP opener, but I can't see any way you could play it out in this forum.

EDIT: If you do want to RP it, you'd better telegram the Gloggians. It's a bit hard to roleplay a diplomatic incident without the main participant.

I'd put to you that these supposed "violations" were carried out privately by Glog's representative plenipotentiary, who as far as I am aware, has Diplomatic Immunity (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9875401&postcount=128). As UN laws apply only in member states, and we are not in any member state right now, but just a building set up for UN business, there is no jurisdiction on the matter either, unless Glog's employers were somehow involved. Alas, you have no proof that the Glog "government" (assuming it even has one) ordered, authorized or was even aware of said violations.

And I'm sure what my client Mr. Firemaker meant to say was that there is no "UN Judiciary." You're just making shit up.

Finally, all he did was knock down a few morons with a rock. Get over it. The sponsor of the last repeal roved the halls and the GA chamber kicking ambassadors in the nuts. Are you going to hold him for questioning too? Well, good fucking luck, pal. His nation ain't even in the UN anymore, at least not technically.

Sammy Faisano
Adviser to the UN Mission
Informal Legal Counsel for Glog Firemaker

Ye gods, is that what this is all about? The thing with the rocks? Didn't even make the six o'clock news in Ardchoille. Not that I get much chance to watch it, since the rest of the delegation's stuck in the Strangers Bar. Buy you a drink, Faisano?

-- William Edward Kelly, ArdchoilleaNS.

What you need is to develop mother in law security squads. Their tactics are beyond barbaric and therefore outside of the scope of the UN resolution.

Nobody's currently paying us to do anything about such matters...

If we're going to be noting cruel and unusual punishments, I'd like to mention that Dicey has been subjected to the cruel and unusual punishment of being President of Ardchoille. I have even heard a rumor that she was wrongfully accused. Such a travesty of justice.

Former Minister of UN Affairs
Edward Jones

If we're going to be noting cruel and unusual punishments, I'd like to mention that Dicey has been subjected to the cruel and unusual punishment of being President of Ardchoille. I have even heard a rumor that she was wrongfully accused.Are you calling Cdr. Chiang a liar?

Are you calling Cdr. Chiang a liar?

OOC: Sorry if I'm being dense, mate, but I'm confused...I can't find a statement by Cdr. Chiang in this thread.

Actually, I was alluding to the fact that Chiang's the one who got Dicey sentenced to President for Life.

The Palentine delegation is probally in violation as well. After all, Roddy(a fine member of my delegation) has smashed a coconut into the cranuims of a few luchadores and gnomes in the halls and waffled a gnome with a steel chair. I wonder if playing Pie in the Face(TM) here in the festering snakepit...err... halls would be a violation?

I wouldn't be surprised if Sven wasn't in violation as well. After all he did force the judge of the whale cook off to taste Blubber Ice Cream.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

Actually, I was alluding to the fact that Chiang's the one who got Dicey sentenced to President for Life.

Ah, my bad. Flew right over my head, that one did.

Edward was actually referring to Dicey's protestations that the sentence was unfair, if that wasn't clear.

(Kelly halts in mad dash to door)

I should point out, Mr, ah, Jones, that every penalty Ms Riley has ever incurred, she considers unfair.

Her argument in this case is based on the status of the Oldest Coven. She contends that, in appointing her to a civil position, it is acting as a civil court, and is therefore bound by UN resolutions on civil rights.

The Coven contends, however, that it is acting as a religious authority; but it also argues that if it is a civil authority, no reasonable nation would consider a life appointment to its leadership a penalty.

So if Ms Riley rejects that argument, they say, she is arguing that Ardchoille is not a reasonable nation. Which, of course, is manifestly untrue.

Logic like this is possibly the reason Ardchoilleans of whatever status spend a lot of time in bars.

(resumes dash)

hmmm... me? no.. I'm just trying to raise up my regional influence..:D

regional influence isn't affect by posts on the jolt forum (nor posts on your regional message board).

It's only affected by the number of UN endorsements, the time you've been in a region,... and a bunch of other stuff that i can't remember.

I believe the delegate from HawaiianFreedom is blowing smoke. Where is the evidence of such wrongdoing?

Aside from this, why can't the GA pass a resolution that sanctions a nation?


thinks for a while


Never mind, there'd be someone in here who complain about the linguistics, or that it wasn't written in iambic pentameter. And we can't forget about the ghost votes....


Respectfully,
The Honorable Marcus Diegaus III, CC KCMC
Deputy Representative
His Serene Majesty's Government
The Royal Federation of the Genoshan Isles

Aside from this, why can't the GA pass a resolution that sanctions a nation?


Because it's much more efficient to simply defenestrate the nation's representative.

hmm...

Aside from this, why can't the GA pass a resolution that sanctions a nation?

OOC: Don't tell anyone this, but this is really a stat wanking game. All these UN resolutions ... they are a smoke screen for a code system that changes the parameters of your NS nation. The code doesn't give a wit for what is the actual text. The code applies this to all member nations.

Now since the code is applied across every UN member equally I suppose it might be possible for a resolution that in effect sanctioned every UN nation at the same time, assuming you could find a proper category and strength. It would, however be silly.

Because it's much more efficient to simply defenestrate the nation's representative.

Duly noted and agreed upon.

Diegaus