NationStates Jolt Archive

Cavemen should stay in GEICO commercials where they belong.

While the sentiments behind this resolution may be sound, the wording leaves much to be desired, and makes me wonder if I fully understand the reasoning. While the original "Rights of Minorities and Women" resolution is on the weak side and perhaps unclear in areas... I'm sure one of the other delegates could help you draft a repeal that I would be more sure my nation could agreed with.

As it is I find myself wondering if perhaps a translator could help you understand the meaning of "better" and "equal to" and if understanding these terms might change your mind on this repeal.

I think perhaps you should re-read the Act. This is not a proposal, it is a REPEALMENT of a current piece of legislation. Just thought I'd clarify that for you. Thank you.
OOC: Yeah I'm pretty sure, in fact almost 100% certain, that Douria understands this is a repeal and what a repeal does.

I blame myself for the languages, seriously.

On the other side of the coin, can we please understand the basic point here? We CANNOT delay in making sure a proposal that actually DOES what this one says it does is in effect.

Somewhere women are being treated as property. Somwhere a Nazi government is oppressing it's citizens based on race, religion and heritage. Somewhere, homosexuals are being stoned to death for being who they are. We can't stop UN nations from doing that because this resolution claims to stop it. All the while we argue about GLOG's right to author in his native dialect. We argue about grammar. If anything accepting his grammar enhances the respectability of this assembly. That we can accept him as being right, even if we think poorly of his grammar.

What's most ironic is that the caveman can put aside his prejudices against you guys for the greater good, but you guys can't do the same.

It's telling about who you are.

Excellent point by the delegate from Douria.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but isn't a repeal just a way to get rid of some law and as such does not have to be perfectly written to cover all possibilities? Isn't the text in a repeal only to offer an argument, a justification as to why the repeal should pass?

I hear some people argue in support of the repeal but will vote against it based upon vagueness of language? This is irrational, if you agree with the argument then vote yes for the repeal. Then we can create a law that uses the proper emperor's English with all of its perfect grammar and present that for a vote.

If you agree with Glog but not his delivery, tough. Swallow your pride and vote with him. Afterwards, you write a proper grammatically correct law to protect minority rights and women.

Glog has been very clear in his communication which is the basis of understanding.

OOC-->Yoda would not be kicked out Jedi school for being a bad teacher because he violates proper linguistic rules of speech. He is a highly respected member because people bother to listen to him and do not get hung up on his grammar. Well give Glog the benefit as well.

OOC: Yeah I'm pretty sure, in fact almost 100% certain, that Douria understands this is a repeal and what a repeal does.

OOC: I do indeed. That just goes to show you that something can be in plain English and still be misunderstood by certain people.

OOC: I do indeed. That just goes to show you that something can be in plain English and still be misunderstood by certain people.

OOC-->Isn't that the truth. A friend of mine who watches me play this over my shoulder theorizes that most just skim the posts and don't really read what's there.

OOC-->Isn't that the truth. A friend of mine who watches me play this over my shoulder theorizes that most just skim the posts and don't really read what's there.

OOC: I can only imagine what people thing of us when they read what we put on here.

BTW: close to 300 votes behind now. I asked Glog if I could rewrite it, got the approval if it fails.

I doubt very highly we'll see another version reach quorum. This is our last chance to guarantee the rights the original resolution so desperately attempted to do. We have to repeal it, out of respect for the original author's intent.

Whan that Aprill, with his shoures soote
The droghte of March hath perced to the roote
And bathed every veyne in swich licour,
Of which vertu engendred is the flour;
Whan Zephirus eek with his sweete breeth
Inspired hath in every holt and heeth
The tendre croppes, and the yonge sonne
Hath in the Ram his halfe cours yronne,
And smale foweles maken melodye,
That slepen al the nyght with open eye-
(So priketh hem Nature in hir corages);
Thanne longen folk to goon on pilgrimages
And palmeres for to seken straunge strondes
To ferne halwes, kowthe in sondry londes;
And specially from every shires ende
Of Engelond, to Caunterbury they wende,
The hooly blisful martir for to seke
That hem hath holpen, whan that they were seeke.


There's your damned bloody correct english. I can understand Glog a lot better than this.

I realize that we must pass this version. I sincerely want it to pass as written. But, if the damned caveman haters wont because they *saying in a whiney voice* "cannot pass this because of poor grammar" then we must draft one that their tiny minds can comprehend. Rest assured Glog will get all credit for being the initial drafter. There may be clubbing involved in the rewrite.

There is still an entire day to go for the vote, the margin is still small, and many of the larger regions have not weighed in with their delegate votes. The ship has not sunk yet.

No more defeatism, please.

Harmalan Shandreth
Ambassador Plenipotens

No more defeatism, please.
Glog agree. Many mighty UN Delegate nations not vote yet. Repeal not dead.

Glog need poo throwing machine.

Glog Firemaker, son of Glog Crushdogskullwithrock
UN Ambassador

Okay, Ambassador Kava, let me try to explain politely why you're incorrect.

Something useless is not better than nothing. If it's useless, how is it even possible for it to be better than nothing? It serves no purpose if it's useless, therefore it may as well be nothing. A useless resolution is, in fact, even worse than no resolution at all, because as long as the useless resolution is in force, a better one can't be passed.

You also can't "amend it to mean something", because amending a resolution isn't possible. It's against the rules. You have to toss it out to make way for something better. I hope that explanation helps.

Jaris Krytellin, Ambassador Emeritus

Kava blinks, looking kinda confused. "Hey, didn't I mention I was the Temporary Interim Special Ambassador? That means I'm ignorant. Now I know you can't amend things, thanks to your eloquent enlightenment, Emeritus Ambassador Krytellin, and my ignorance has been slightly diminished."

"Here, I'll amend myself-- don't modify the resolution, top it with one of enhanced strength. And it's not truly useless, since it expresses the general direction of things. True, it is a somewhat badly-formulated law (I.E. full of holes) but this should be solved by another law to fill those holes, not demolishing the wall around the holes; though it could be that I am again misunderstanding, and this as well is impossible."

"The flaming liberals over in D-Jersey seem to be listening to their paranoiac halves. They seem to think, for some strange reason, that this repealing could be used as an excuse to remove any protection for these rights and people. While they would not be unsupportive of such an action for certain portions of the resolution, it turns out that this is an all-or-nothing kind of deal, and they don't want the whole going with the part."

"However, I would also like to express my support of the linguistic idiosyncrasies of the members of this body. Hell, Glog speaks better English than at least 60% of Delmarva Jerseyans (you should hear those Appalachians and Watermen), so how can we complain? And at least he speaks plainly. I like small, simple words almost as much as I do big, pretentious ones."

"I would also request that someone-- directly and simply-- convince me and my fellow D-Jerseyans that upon repeal this resolution WILL be replaced by a better one, for I see no surety there."

--TIS Ambassador Franklin Kava, Borderlands of Delmarva Jersey

i am going to vote for the repeal i think that if you are to distinguish basic human rights, you are obligated not to leave any gray areas, and as glog points out, there are many misaddressed areas. to have equality, equality must be defined not just something is to be treated with the same respects. Actually defining such respects would be in the best interest of the un.

"I would also request that someone-- directly and simply-- convince me and my fellow D-Jerseyans that upon repeal this resolution WILL be replaced by a better one, for I see no surety there."
Ambassador Kava, there is no surety in life at all. Stars explode and rifts in time open sucking the alert and unwary both into the void.

What can be said is that there are many, many delegates who hold individual rights in high esteem, and who can be counted on to work diligently to replace the original flawed piece of legislation. Will it happen six days from hence (the fastest that it could be done)? Who can tell? But considering RoMaW does little to nothing to protect those rights in the first place, leaving it in place puts that protection further away than if the resolution never existed in the first place.

Leetha Talone
UN Ambassador

True, it is a somewhat badly-formulated law (I.E. full of holes) but this should be solved by another law to fill those holes, not demolishing the wall around the holes; though it could be that I am again misunderstanding, and this as well is impossible."
OOC: the problem is with the rules against contradiction and duplication. Even though Resolution #80 is ineffective and full of loopholes, it would still be near impossible to write an effective replacement without duplicating or contradicting some part of it. And you wouldn't have to contradict or duplicate all of it either, just one instance would render the replacement illegal. If UNR #80 is out of the way it makes the replacement writer's job much simpler.

"I would also request that someone-- directly and simply-- convince me and my fellow D-Jerseyans that upon repeal this resolution WILL be replaced by a better one, for I see no surety there."
I had intended to replace it myself, though not with G l o g obviously. Glogspeak is fine for a repeal but Resolutions require much more precise language in order to avoid loopholes (like the ones in UNR #80). I would have used one of my other more "normal" nations to do the replacement.

As it happens though, Schuttegod has written a replacement in this thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=542690), which he plans to submit pending the outcome of the repeal vote. Should Schuttegod decide not to go ahead with his replacement then I would revert to my original plan and replace it myself.

I blame myself for the languages, seriously.

On the other side of the coin, can we please understand the basic point here? We CANNOT delay in making sure a proposal that actually DOES what this one says it does is in effect.

Somewhere women are being treated as property. Somwhere a Nazi government is oppressing it's citizens based on race, religion and heritage. Somewhere, homosexuals are being stoned to death for being who they are. We can't stop UN nations from doing that because this resolution claims to stop it. All the while we argue about GLOG's right to author in his native dialect. We argue about grammar. If anything accepting his grammar enhances the respectability of this assembly. That we can accept him as being right, even if we think poorly of his grammar.

What's most ironic is that the caveman can put aside his prejudices against you guys for the greater good, but you guys can't do the same.

It's telling about who you are.

It is not telling of who we are, but rather, telling of what is right. Imagine the immediate loss of prestige and respectability for this organization if we accepted this resolution? I am glad the people of the world have enough common sense to vote this down. I agree with this resolution, but not the grammar. Someone please draft something better, with a proviso that a new resolution on Minorities and Women be on the way.

Also, to the Altanarian delegations, how about you stuff your comments where it belongs? We are serious with this proposition.

Dr. Juliana Kittleson
Vice-Legate to the United Nations
The Democratic States of Vista Buena

Minorities and Women should have all rights as humans and citizens of the world and we have the job to protect it.:D

Address from the CCP UN delegate,


We, the people, find it hard to decide on this issue. The polls show that the Communitist people do appreciate what the Rights of Minorities and Women addresses, but we don't like the how poorly it addresses the definitions of how a nation might transgress on this laws requirements and fails to specify proper enforcement. We, the Commonwealth of the Communitist People do not appreciate generalities. We'd prefer to repeal this UN law for its wording in order to create a more apporpriate version. Though we do not enjoy the uneducated rambling of the nation's UN representative that suggested the repeal (Glog, was it?).

CURRENT DECISION:
Wavering towards "FOR"


Signed in full competence,
United Nations Delegate Karl V. Reighn

"The people are strong!"

OOC: the problem is with the rules against contradiction and duplication. Even though Resolution #80 is ineffective and full of loopholes, it would still be near impossible to write an effective replacement without duplicating or contradicting some part of it. And you wouldn't have to contradict or duplicate all of it either, just one instance would render the replacement illegal. If UNR #80 is out of the way it makes the replacement writer's job much simpler.


I had intended to replace it myself, though not with G l o g obviously. Glogspeak is fine for a repeal but Resolutions require much more precise language in order to avoid loopholes (like the ones in UNR #80). I would have used one of my other more "normal" nations to do the replacement.

As it happens though, Schuttegod has written a replacement in this thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=542690), which he plans to submit pending the outcome of the repeal vote. Should Schuttegod decide not to go ahead with his replacement then I would revert to my original plan and replace it myself.

Turning away from a short, confused-looking young aid, Kava replied to the spontaneously eloquent G l o g, ignorind Rubina, who seemed to have misunderstood the "directly and simply" to mean "with a stupid and semi-poetic astronomical metaphor."

"Yes, I see that proposition now. I am now leaning towards changing my vote, less because of any trust in the passage of the new resolution than because the people bitching about grammar are really starting to piss me off."

"However, I'd like to warn you that you'll be dealing with a new TIS Ambassador if I do vote for this resolution. D-Jersey will not stand for an ambassador who voted to repeal the rights of minorities and women, no matter the context or extentuating circumstances."

--TIS Ambassador Frank Kava, Borderlands of Delmarva Jersey

Kava turned briefly to the aid, and spoke quietly before turning back to G l o g and the others. "Hey, Mike-- go flip a coin. I need to decide whether to screw my career or not. Heads is screw it." The aid scurried out of the room.

Imagine the immediate loss of prestige and respectability for this organization if we accepted this resolution?


*shoots Dr. Kittlesonwith with The Sith Mega-Yoda-Lingo-Death-Star of Dantooine. pauses to speak. *

Loss of prestige and respectability? Oh, snorty-snort-snort. I laugh. Really. That made my night.
Since when has this honourable body ever had any prestige whatsoever? Dare I remember my audience of Max Barry Day? Really. Why not just go with the metaphorical flow? Or, in other words....Repeal good. Glog good. You great nincompoop. Join Dark Side. Cookies, we have.

*shoots again.*

Imagine the immediate loss of prestige and respectability for this organization if we accepted this resolution? ... I agree with this resolution, but not the grammar. You continue to reference a non-existent entity. Prestige is not well-associated with this body. Take a look around-- Leetha notices a soused Sen. Sulla slumbering at his desk, her own assistant playing a game of patience, and Cdr. Chiang--what was Jenny up to?-- tell us whence we can expect this treasure trove of prestige and dignity?

It flabbergasts us that you can still place something as trivial as grammar above the rights and well-being of individuals when the language in the repeal is crystal clear if not of your preference.

--L.T.

*A small boy comes racing through the chamber making a beeline for Zarquon*

"Your Excellency, it's here it's here!!"

Excellent.

*Zarquon made a mad dash out of the chamber, or at least as fast as someone that was more than seven and a half million years old could dash. A few minutes later he returned with a large black object walking behind him. It was rather strange looking. It seemed to be human like in appearance, but it was far from human. It was wearing what seemed to be a black jumpsuit and had a cape draped across it's, at least what appeared to be, shoulders. It's head looked like a large gas mask with an elongated helmet atop of it.*

My fellow ambassadors, meet Joebot™. The very latest invention from the Zarquonian Institute for Perpetual Physics (ZIPP). Joebot™ here can do anything in within the realm of physics. He can do anything from the most mundane tasks, like picking up a penny off the ground. To seemingly impossible tasks such as creating a universe.

"Finished, my master." Joebot™ said in a rather deep metalic voice.

You see? Another universe is happily afloat in the see of space-time. He can even blow himself u......*there was a huge explosion which sent Zarquon and several other ambassadors nearbly flying through the chamber.*

Up, and pull himself back together.

*Joebot™ reassembled himself without so much as a scratch upon his person.*

Why have I brought him here? Well, let's just say he's here for the sake of amusement.

Come Joebot, stay close to me. And, mind the hole in the floor. You make such a mess.

You continue to reference a non-existent entity. Prestige is not well-associated with this body. Take a look around-- Leetha notices a soused Sen. Sulla slumbering at his desk, her own assistant playing a game of patience, and Cdr. Chiang--what was Jenny up to?-- tell us whence we can expect this treasure trove of prestige and dignity?

It flabbergasts us that you can still place something as trivial as grammar above the rights and well-being of individuals when the language in the repeal is crystal clear if not of your preference.

--L.T.

The Vista Buenan government does not consider the languages used in this delegation to be of the calibre that our nation's Education Ministry requires of our students. Seeing that international politics requires much refined language skills, this resolution that does not even match elementary school standards cannot, for the sake of the world's youth, be accepted. Even if this world body is dishonoured, what would we be teaching to the youths of the world if craps like this are accepted as normal?

For our nation's economic and social future, as well as those of the world's, we cannot accept this resolution as it stands. If it is resubmitted again in its current form, we will vote it down again, and we will continue to do so until there is a resolution that is in normal humanspeak. This is our national position, and the people of our nation backs us on this endeavour.

Dr. Juliana Kittleson
Vice-Legate to the United Nations
The Democratic States of Vista Buena

prestige and respectability for this organization

*thinks to himself* "Hmmm...maybe I should summon Felix. I wonder where the Flibbleites parked the DEFENESTRATINATOR?"

You have much to learn, Grasshopper.

Aüþgæþ Spøtyiú
Ambassador
Rainmaker

<snip> Imagine the immediate loss of prestige and respectability for this organization if we accepted this resolution? I am glad the people of the world have enough common sense to vote this down.<snip>

You realize that you are speaking of the same body that has seen, within the last ten resolution votes, the random kicking of ambassadors nuts and a machine built specifically for such purposes, the defenstration (throwing out of window) of opponents, a safe dropped on one assistant, a machine designed to smack people with dictionaries and within this debate alone the hurling of; badgers, mastadon carcases, rocks and poo. Tell me, where in the hell is this pretige I keep hearing so much about.

I ask you again. Are you going to purposely vote against this repeal because of grammar alone? Do you really know how backward it makes you look when a caveman knows the importance of passing this motion while you sit back and belittle him for the way it is written. I don't know what to say.

OOC: Nothing personal, it's all a just a game you know.......damnit!:(

The Vista Buenan government does not consider the languages used in this delegation to be of the calibre that our nation's Education Ministry requires of our students. Seeing that international politics requires much refined language skills, this resolution that does not even match elementary school standards cannot, for the sake of the world's youth, be accepted. ... we will continue to do so until there is a resolution that is in normal humanspeak. So now you fall on the old canard, "Think of the children"?!

I suppose, Dr. Kittleson, you still fail to grasp the irony of defending an equality resolution with the argument that you are superior in thought and knowledge to other delegates. And now you reveal yourself to be a speciesist as well? Humanspeak... as if humans are to be elevated above all else. Ridiculous.

--L.T.

Even if this world body is dishonoured, what would we be teaching to the youths of the world if craps like this are accepted as normal?


Craps? Is that a technical term, Dr. Kittleson? I was unaware that 'craps' was an example of high English of the calibre of Shakespeare. Is it appropriate for youths of the world to employ words like crap? Hypocritical, you seem.

*accidentally shoots putrified badger instead of Dr. Kittleson*

You realize that you are speaking of the same body that has seen, within the last ten resolution votes, the random kicking of ambassadors nuts and a machine built specifically for such purposes, the defenstration (throwing out of window) of opponents, a safe dropped on one assistant, a machine designed to smack people with dictionaries and within this debate alone the hurling of; badgers, mastadon carcases, rocks and poo. Tell me, where in the hell is this pretige I keep hearing so much about.

I ask you again. Are you going to purposely vote against this repeal because of grammar alone? Do you really know how backward it makes you look when a caveman knows the importance of passing this motion while you sit back and belittle him for the way it is written. I don't know what to say.

OOC: Nothing personal, it's all a just a game you know.......damnit!:(

To the Delegates of Zarquon Froods

We understand the importance of the resolution, and what would potentially be a better resolution that will come to the floor. We fully support the spirit and purpose of this legislation. However, we have stated our concerns, and we believe it would be counterproductive to vote for this legislation. Our citizens have supported our decision all the way, and have continued to do so. We are not backward, we are just standing up for standard language protocols.

OOC: We know it is a game. It is all RPing. However, My eyes did pop out when I saw that resolution. I cannot support this thing if this was for real.

Even if this world body is dishonoured, what would we be teaching to the youths of the world if craps like this are accepted as normal?
Is that pronounced "yoots" by any chance?

To the Delegates of Zarquon Froods

We understand the importance of the resolution, and what would potentially be a better resolution that will come to the floor. We fully support the spirit and purpose of this legislation. However, we have stated our concerns, and we believe it would be counterproductive to vote for this legislation. Our citizens have supported our decision all the way, and have continued to do so. We are not backward, we are just standing up for standard language protocols.



I applaud your firmness on the matter. But I believe it is far more counterproductive to vote this repeal down, then wait for a new one while we have the answer to a very real problem before us. That's just my logic.

Perhaps if you feel so strongly about how a resolution is written. Why don't you make a proposal which sets the standards for them.

Perhaps if you feel so strongly about how a resolution is written. Why don't you make a proposal which sets the standards for them.
Because he can't.
Game Mechanics violations are attempts to change how the UN works. Generally, these are Proposals that should be threads in Technical. Anything that requires and adjustment to how the game does things, or requires a change of code falls into this category. Requiring "proper" spelling, adjusting the number of votes needed for queue, creating a universal UN currency, and forming a "secondary UN" are all examples of this. Another example of this is forbidding UN action at a future point in time -- you can't make your Resolution "Repeal-proof" or prohibit types of legislation.

Glog need poo throwing machine.

Glog Firemaker, son of Glog Crushdogskullwithrock
UN Ambassador
Captain Bruno Morcone enters the chamber and rolls in a small shiny contraption that resembles a toy cannon. In front of it was a nozzle with a five-inch mouth where poo will shoot out. At the back of the contraption was a button (labeled "SHOOT") and a touch-screen for the featured auto-target. On top sat two tanks for the ammo (poo, tomatoes, slime) and the sights, and with straps on the sides for easy mobility.

Capt. Morcone approached Glog and showed him the machine. "You like poo throwing machine? We made you poo throwing machine. Just press button - " he pressed SHOOT - "and poo will come out of nozzle." A tomato shot out of the nozzle and hit the delegate of Pharaoh Yohance 2. "That test shoot. We use machine for tomatoes. You use for poo. Load poo in tank and shoot. Enjoy."

OOC: Darth Ron Paul, we are now ignoring you. Good Night.
OOC: I reiterate. Vista Buena is ignoring Darth Ron Paul. Now good night.
OOC. AFAIK, this can count as flamebaiting. Don't post things like this, mmmkay?

Captain Bruno Morcone enters the chamber and rolls in a small shiny contraption that resembles a toy cannon. In front of it was a nozzle with a five-inch mouth where poo will shoot out. At the back of the contraption was a button (labeled "SHOOT") and a touch-screen for the featured auto-target. On top sat two tanks for the ammo (poo, tomatoes, slime) and the sights, and with straps on the sides for easy mobility.

Capt. Morcone approached Glog and showed him the machine. "You like poo throwing machine? We made you poo throwing machine. Just press button - " he pressed SHOOT - "and poo will come out of nozzle." A tomato shot out of the nozzle and hit the delegate of Pharaoh Yohance 2. "That test shoot. We use machine for tomatoes. You use for poo. Load poo in tank and shoot. Enjoy."



OOC. AFAIK, this can count as flamebaiting. Don't post things like this, mmmkay?

OOC: No way THAT can count as flaming.

Capt. Morcone approached Glog and showed him the machine. "You like poo throwing machine? We made you poo throwing machine. Just press button - " he pressed SHOOT - "and poo will come out of nozzle." A tomato shot out of the nozzle and hit the delegate of Pharaoh Yohance 2. "That test shoot. We use machine for tomatoes. You use for poo. Load poo in tank and shoot. Enjoy."



In the words of a predecessor, "by the Pantheon, I love technology."

OOC: No way THAT can count as flaming.ooc: WAY that can count as flamebaiting (which is different than flaming, but similarly against the rules). Especially when repeated as you have done. If you are ignoring DRP, put him on ignore and quit responding to his posts. If you want the official expression of the rule, search Moderation for "ignore".

Captain Bruno Morcone enters the chamber and rolls in a small shiny contraption that resembles a toy cannon. In front of it was a nozzle with a five-inch mouth where poo will shoot out. At the back of the contraption was a button (labeled "SHOOT") and a touch-screen for the featured auto-target. On top sat two tanks for the ammo (poo, tomatoes, slime) and the sights, and with straps on the sides for easy mobility.

Capt. Morcone approached Glog and showed him the machine. "You like poo throwing machine? We made you poo throwing machine. Just press button - " he pressed SHOOT - "and poo will come out of nozzle." A tomato shot out of the nozzle and hit the delegate of Pharaoh Yohance 2. "That test shoot. We use machine for tomatoes. You use for poo. Load poo in tank and shoot. Enjoy."
Glog thank Brutland and Norden people for poo throwing machine! Poo throwing machine GOOD!!! Throw poo on many enemies.

Glog Firemaker, son of Glog Crushdogskullwithrock
UN Ambassador

*Glog loads the poo throwing machine with a copious amount of particularly fetid poo and fires it at the Vista Buena delegation*

We understand the importance of the resolution, and what would potentially be a better resolution that will come to the floor. We fully support the spirit and purpose of this legislation. However, we have stated our concerns, and we believe it would be counterproductive to vote for this legislation. Our citizens have supported our decision all the way, and have continued to do so. We are not backward, we are just standing up for standard language protocols.

OOC: We know it is a game. It is all RPing. However, My eyes did pop out when I saw that resolution. I cannot support this thing if this was for real.Aw, jeez. Where were you when Twain was penning "The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn"? After all, the author didn't use proper grammar! It never should have been canonized in Americana the way it has been. For shame, Yankee literati! For shame.

Glog thank Brutland and Norden people for poo throwing machine! Poo throwing machine GOOD!!! Throw poo on many enemies.

Glog Firemaker, son of Glog Crushdogskullwithrock
UN Ambassador

*Glog loads the poo throwing machine with a copious amount of particularly fetid poo and fires it at the Vista Buena delegation*

*Vista Buena Marines enter the building with shield to protect the delegations. They will remain hereafter to protect the delegations*

Glog thank Brutland and Norden people for poo throwing machine! Poo throwing machine GOOD!!! Throw poo on many enemies. Leetha takes out a beach-sized umbrella, unfolds it and wedges it between desk and chair.

We would like to petition for a seating change. Our proximity to certain delegations' desks is becoming a small, but odiferous problem.

--L.T.

We're all "modern"? Betcha Cobdenia might have a thing or two to say to that.

Cobdenia is a modern country. We have one car for every 100 people, daily Zeppelin flights, telegramme cables crisscrossing the entire nation bringing people into contact with one another, mechanical television beaming out pictures to all four television owners for three hours a week, our soldiers are equipped with the very latest in bolt action rifle and pith helmet technology, our Navy is almost totally steam powered (some ships even make use of steam turbines - that's how cutting edge we are), and our airforce is beginning to make the switch to the more maneuverable monoplane. We are well and truly in the 20th century now...

We think it's amusing that the pompous pedants who oppose this repeal because of their distaste for the language used are, by their opposition, supporting maintenance of a resolution with language so deficient that it fails to achieve its apparent purpose.

Is the language of the repeal elegant, "proper," and aesthetically pleasing? No. Is it clear, unambiguous, and immediately understandable? Yes.

Is the language of NSUNR #80 elegant, "proper," and aesthetically pleasing? No -- unless conformance to the sacred rules of prescriptive grammar is your only criterion. Is it clear, unambiguous, and immediately understandable? NO!

To use the language of a repeal as grounds for opposition to removing a pitifully written resolution fails the test of logic.

We remain firmly in support of this repeal and respectfully urge our colleagues to support it.

Balthasar H. von Aschenbach
Prime Minister

*Vista Buena Marines enter the building with shield to protect the delegations. They will remain hereafter to protect the delegations*

*Zarquon sits at his chair sipping at the drink Joebot made for him, he dare not ask what it was. He only knew it was good and he hadn't fell to the floor convulsing.....yet. He noticed the Vista Buenan marines had placed a shield in front of several delegation to prevent the "baptism of poo." This troubled him as it was spoiling all of Glog's fun. He turned to address Joebot.*

"Joebot, do you see that wall of shields they've put up?"

"Yes." He responded in his spine chilling deep metalic voice.

"They're so close together. What would happen if a bananna peel were to find it's way under one of the marine's on the far side of the line?"

*Joebot calculated* "The marine would slip and take the rest with him."

"See what you can do."

"Yes, master." *Joebot concentrated and suddenly, and against all laws of probabilty, a bananna peel appeard beneath the foor a marine on the far left of the line. He slipped and knocked down the other marines. Before they had a chance to get back in formation, Glog had plenty of target practice on the delegations.*

Ah, I do so enjoy these debates. *Zarquon took another long sip from his drink and promptly fell to the floor.*




OOC: If I need to, I'll take this one out. I made Joebot have a little too much power, but don't worry this is more than likely the only time he'll do something like this. I just thought that would be funny as hell. I mean c'mon a robot that can do anything, you know you want one. :cool:

*thinks to himself* "Hmmm...maybe I should summon Felix. I wonder where the Flibbleites parked the DEFENESTRATINATOR?"

You have much to learn, Grasshopper.

Aüþgæþ Spøtyiú
Ambassador
RainmakerActually Ambassador, I never moved it. Oh and if you're thinking of defenestrating anyone from Vista Buena aim for these coordinates. *Bob hands Ambassador Spøtyiú a piece of paper* I had my assistant park a dump truck full of chocobo manure there.

You realize that you are speaking of the same body that has seen, within the last ten resolution votes, the random kicking of ambassadors nuts and a machine built specifically for such purposes, the defenstration (throwing out of window) of opponents, a safe dropped on one assistant, a machine designed to smack people with dictionaries and within this debate alone the hurling of; badgers, mastadon carcases, rocks and poo. Tell me, where in the hell is this pretige I keep hearing so much about.
Not to mention that during the repeal of the whaling ban we had an Iron Chef style cooking competition being held in this very room, in fact I see that the Building Management hasn't taken down the kitchens they set up for it yet.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

*Zarquon sits at his chair sipping at the drink Joebot made for him, he dare not ask what it was. He only knew it was good and he hadn't fell to the floor convulsing.....yet. He noticed the Vista Buenan marines had placed a shield in front of several delegation to prevent the "baptism of poo." This troubled him as it was spoiling all of Glog's fun. He turned to address Joebot.*

"Joebot, do you see that wall of shields they've put up?"

"Yes." He responded in his spine chilling deep metalic voice.

"They're so close together. What would happen if a bananna peel were to find it's way under one of the marine's on the far side of the line?"

*Joebot calculated* "The marine would slip and take the rest with him."

"See what you can do."

"Yes, master." *Joebot concentrated and suddenly, and against all laws of probabilty, a bananna peel appeard beneath the foor a marine on the far left of the line. He slipped and knocked down the other marines. Before they had a chance to get back in formation, Glog had plenty of target practice on the delegations.*

Ah, I do so enjoy these debates. *Zarquon took another long sip from his drink and promptly fell to the floor.*




OOC: If I need to, I'll take this one out. I made Joebot have a little too much power, but don't worry this is more than likely the only time he'll do something like this. I just thought that would be funny as hell. I mean c'mon a robot that can do anything, you know you want one. :cool:

The Marines fell, but miraculously managed to keep the shield over most of the delegates. Not to mention the raincoats that were brought in by the Marines were worn by the delegates. They stank, but it will wear off.

Not to mention that during the repeal of the whaling ban we had an Iron Chef style cooking competition being held in this very room, in fact I see that the Building Management hasn't taken down the kitchens they set up for it yet.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative
So what now, we are going to cook ambassadors?

So what now, we are going to cook ambassadors?

*In between convulsions*

I hope not, I hear they taste terrible. Besides, Roast Flibble Au Jue(?) doesn't sound particularly appetizing.

Actually Ambassador, I never moved it.
*Aüþgæþ Spøtyiú peers across the General Assembly Hall and spies the hulking mass of the DEFENESTRATINATOR V.2*

Huh. How did I miss it?

Thank you ambassador, I will contact Felix at once and inform him that his talents are required here. I can't be seen operating the machine myself. I have a reputation to maintain.

Oh and if you're thinking of defenestrating anyone from Vista Buena aim for these coordinates. *Bob hands Ambassador Spøtyiú a piece of paper* I had my assistant park a dump truck full of chocobo manure there.
[Monty Burns voice]Excellent.[/Monty Burns voice]

Aüþgæþ Spøtyiú
Ambassador

So what now, we are going to cook ambassadors?Sounds good to me.


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Vermithrax Pejorative
UN Observer
The Federated Technocratic Oligarchy of the Most Glorious Hack

*In between convulsions*

I hope not, I hear they taste terrible. Besides, Roast Flibble Au Jue(?) doesn't sound particularly appetizing.

Sounds good to me.

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Vermithrax Pejorative
UN Observer
The Federated Technocratic Oligarchy of the Most Glorious Hack
I guess Zarquon and dragons have different tastes, then. I'd bring the purple Brute cheese and cow liquor, but we don't know how to cook UN ambassadors. They say that they're tough and stubborn meat. I'd bring the meat tenderizer.

We need Chef Sven to cook....

I guess Zarquon and dragons have different tastes, then. I'd bring the purple Brute cheese and cow liquor, but we don't know how to cook UN ambassadors. They say that they're tough and stubborn meat. I'd bring the meat tenderizer.

We need Chef Sven to cook....

:eek:This whole thing is....disturbing. I think I need to go lie down...I..um...I...ooooh
*sways dizzily, faints*
Thud

It is not telling of who we are, but rather, telling of what is right. Imagine the immediate loss of prestige and respectability for this organization if we accepted this resolution? I am glad the people of the world have enough common sense to vote this down. I agree with this resolution, but not the grammar. Someone please draft something better, with a proviso that a new resolution on Minorities and Women be on the way.

Also, to the Altanarian delegations, how about you stuff your comments where it belongs? We are serious with this proposition.

Dr. Juliana Kittleson
Vice-Legate to the United Nations
The Democratic States of Vista Buena

*Jaris Krytellin grabs the microphone at the Altanari delegation's desk, and a look rarely seen on his face is now quite visible - a look of anger.*

For a "doctor", Kittleson, you say a lot but accomplish very little. Kind of like RoMaW, actually. Apparently, universities in Vista Buena only give degrees in pretentious blowhardship with minors in flawed logic and outright idiocy. In Altanar, we actually expect people to be able to think before we give them a degree. But hey, it's your educational system (or lack of one), right?

You're talking about prestige and respectability? How about the loss of prestige and respectability the UN will undergo, and rightly so, if it votes down a repeal of legislation (RoMaW) that even many of the repeal's opponents admit is gravely flawed and doesn't protect minorities or women, just because certain delegates have giant wooden sticks labeled "GRAMMAR" shoved so far up their rear ends that it's a wonder their tonsils don't have splinters.

Be glad all you want, but this repeal is far from being "voted down", despite your wishful thinking. It ain't over until the fat lady sings, sweetheart. (And while you seem ready to sing, I'd hold off until the vote's done, at least.) While I'm at it, I'd ask you to contemplate how incredibly idiotic it is to "agree with the resolution" and then vote against it.

Also, if you had bothered to pay any attention at all, a replacement for RoMaW has already been drafted by the nation of Schuttegod! Are Vista Buenans professionally dense, or is it just a hobby for your delegates?

And last, but definitely not least, we find it incredibly ironic that you're asking for someone to "please draft something better", when you could very well draft something yourself instead of complaining about trivialities and shooting down a good and needed repeal which, even in Glogspeak, is far superior to any of the specious and illogical claptrap you've bellowed out onto this august assembly in your dogmatic fashion since you entered this debate.

There is no doubt that you are "serious with this proposition". Then again, delegations bent on embarrassing their nations and looking like fools usually are serious about it, so your actions do not surprise us.

Jaris Krytellin, Ambassador Emeritus

:eek:This whole thing is....disturbing. I think I need to go lie down...I..um...I...ooooh
*sways dizzily, faints*
Thud
*looks at the person sprawled on the floor*

Oh look! Meat! Defenselss meat! Get it before it expires!

the true-blood Brute

Glog not know UN people cannibals. Learn new thing every day. Tonight, Glog sleep on left side, keep club hand free.

Glog know of cannibal people. Live in land next to Glog land. Cannibal people say "cook man over low heat, baste with oil". Glog not know, just pass information. Glog not eat ambassador. Probably tough, taste like dog.

Glog Firemaker, son of Glog Crushdogskullwithrock
UN Ambassador

Whan that Aprill, with his shoures soote
The droghte of March hath perced to the roote
And bathed every veyne in swich licour,
Of which vertu engendred is the flour;
Whan Zephirus eek with his sweete breeth
Inspired hath in every holt and heeth
The tendre croppes, and the yonge sonne
Hath in the Ram his halfe cours yronne,
And smale foweles maken melodye,
That slepen al the nyght with open eye-
(So priketh hem Nature in hir corages);
Thanne longen folk to goon on pilgrimages
And palmeres for to seken straunge strondes
To ferne halwes, kowthe in sondry londes;
And specially from every shires ende
Of Engelond, to Caunterbury they wende,
The hooly blisful martir for to seke
That hem hath holpen, whan that they were seeke.


There's your damned bloody correct english. I can understand Glog a lot better than this.

I realize that we must pass this version. I sincerely want it to pass as written. But, if the damned caveman haters wont because they *saying in a whiney voice* "cannot pass this because of poor grammar" then we must draft one that their tiny minds can comprehend. Rest assured Glog will get all credit for being the initial drafter. There may be clubbing involved in the rewrite.

BRILLIANT.

Well if the grammar is indicative of the representative, that makes me doubt that representatives judgment abilities if (s)he does not have the common sense to proofread a resolution that is going to the United Nations. Even if this is not the real life congregation, one needs to have a proper grasp on the English language in order to properly convey a point. And aren't resolutions MEANT to convey a point?

Are you seriously telling me that you don't get the point in the G l o g resolution? The only thing it doesn't have is "proper" word order and auxiliary verbs. The syntax is actually quite understandable. Funny how you're discriminating against G l o g in a debate about a discrimination resolution. Funny in a sad, pathetic kind of way.

OOC:

Emilie tried very hard to repress the chuckle that wanted so much to escape from her thin, pale lips. She found it ironic that she, a girl who very nearly despises the stupidity of perfect grammar, spends many of her days correcting the very imperfect grammar of others possibly more than twice her age. As the tea kettle began to whistle, she rushed over and poured herself a mug of deep magenta tazo, still smirking as she is only just getting used to the fact that two of her pet peeves completely contradict each other. Then, a random thought jumped into her head. Oh, what would the gaia mods think if they saw this distasteful array of flaming on such a respectable, intellectual site? At this, she decided that it was quite odd that she was role-playing herself and decided that maybe she and Mademoiselle Angelique, Speaker of the House in Chataimer, should retire to their own roleplay site.

Uh...please do, for you seemed to have roleplayed a supposedly OOC post. No wonder G l o g's grammar confuses you -- you can't tell the difference between IC and OOC.

I voted against this purely for the fact of poor grammar...deliver it professionally next time and I may consider voting for it.

Have you not read ANY of the other posts in this thread?

*Benji strides over to the Inspinori podium and yelling "FOR KENNYYYY!" kicks the Inspiori delegate square in the nuts.*

The following is OOC (obviously).

Actually, it's my interpretation of how cavemen are depicted on TV, in movies and on teh intarwebs. Had I been trying to give an interpretation of early English it would have sounded like Beowulf or maybe the Canterbury Tales.

When I was trying to decide how to have Glog speak, one of the first things that popped into my head was that little cartoon that came out around the time of the Napster debacle. It was the one that had Lars Ulrich and James Hetfield in it and James kept saying "Beer GOOD! Napster bad" while Lars scurried around like a monkey. I also thought of several TV shows and movies in which the cavemen spoke in a series of grunts with broken English sprinkled in. I discarded the grunts and "ughs", but kept the broken English.


Bullshit. The opponents of the repeal first made language an issue in the debate.


Again, bullshit. You're crazy if you think OMGTKK or Snefaldia or any of the others are just chomping at the bits to submit proposals in foreign languages.


Ha! Again, my good sir, bullshit.

This coming from the side which steadfastly refuses to address the points brought up in the repeal or to defend UNR #80?


You might want to check your facts before just unilaterally declaring all of us "modern". There are several nations, including longtime UN regulars, who RP as past-tect and even ancient-tech nations. The notion of having a nation of Neanderthals is not that far-fetched in the context of Nationstates and I did alter their speech to make it understandable. Would you rather I had Glog speak in Proto-Indo-European? A series of grunts perhaps?

BRILLIANT.

That is probably the most intelligent point you have argued. Personally I think I look pretty nice in a fedora. But anyway, we do not allow any Nazi racists or abusers of women in the world because of resolution 99: Discrimination Accord. Think of Rights of Minorities and Women as in the shadow of Discrimination Accord. Obviously, Belgrade-beograd (author of resolution 99) had the same problem; Rights of Minorities and Women wasn't good enough. So he/she fixed the problem by passing a better resolution. THERE IS NO PROBLEM ANY MORE. Even though Rights of Minorities and Women doesn't specifically protect anything, at least it encourages action.
Now, you may say "hey, encouraging does nothing," well, if that were true, then why did Max Barry even create the option of having Mild or Significant resolutions? Why even bother if we were just going to repeal all of them?
So you see, rights of minorities and women are protected. This resolution simply helps with what little it can.

Which is nothing. Which is why it should go.

Cavemen should stay in GEICO commercials where they belong.

Yeah? Tell it to ABC.

It is not telling of who we are, but rather, telling of what is right. Imagine the immediate loss of prestige and respectability for this organization if we accepted this resolution? I am glad the people of the world have enough common sense to vote this down. I agree with this resolution, but not the grammar. Someone please draft something better, with a proviso that a new resolution on Minorities and Women be on the way.

Also, to the Altanarian delegations, how about you stuff your comments where it belongs? We are serious with this proposition.

Dr. Juliana Kittleson
Vice-Legate to the United Nations
The Democratic States of Vista Buena

Are you sure you weren't originally from Golgafrincham? 'Cause quibbling over grammar when the point of the resolution is clear strikes me as a very Golgafrinchan thing to do.

*Jaris Krytellin grabs the microphone at the Altanari delegation's desk, and a look rarely seen on his face is now quite visible - a look of anger.*

For a "doctor", Kittleson, you say a lot but accomplish very little. Kind of like RoMaW, actually. Apparently, universities in Vista Buena only give degrees in pretentious blowhardship with minors in flawed logic and outright idiocy. In Altanar, we actually expect people to be able to think before we give them a degree. But hey, it's your educational system (or lack of one), right?

You're talking about prestige and respectability? How about the loss of prestige and respectability the UN will undergo, and rightly so, if it votes down a repeal of legislation (RoMaW) that even many of the repeal's opponents admit is gravely flawed and doesn't protect minorities or women, just because certain delegates have giant wooden sticks labeled "GRAMMAR" shoved so far up their rear ends that it's a wonder their tonsils don't have splinters.

Be glad all you want, but this repeal is far from being "voted down", despite your wishful thinking. It ain't over until the fat lady sings, sweetheart. (And while you seem ready to sing, I'd hold off until the vote's done, at least.) While I'm at it, I'd ask you to contemplate how incredibly idiotic it is to "agree with the resolution" and then vote against it.

Also, if you had bothered to pay any attention at all, a replacement for RoMaW has already been drafted by the nation of Schuttegod! Are Vista Buenans professionally dense, or is it just a hobby for your delegates?

And last, but definitely not least, we find it incredibly ironic that you're asking for someone to "please draft something better", when you could very well draft something yourself instead of complaining about trivialities and shooting down a good and needed repeal which, even in Glogspeak, is far superior to any of the specious and illogical claptrap you've bellowed out onto this august assembly in your dogmatic fashion since you entered this debate.

There is no doubt that you are "serious with this proposition". Then again, delegations bent on embarrassing their nations and looking like fools usually are serious about it, so your actions do not surprise us.

Jaris Krytellin, Ambassador Emeritus

I will have you know, Krytellin, that I have done much for my nation, and you are not entitled to me proving my achievements to you. But since we are locked in this chamber for the long run, I will list them to you. I graduated from the Free University of Vista Buena Summa Cum Laude In Cursu Honorum with a Juris Doctor degree. I helped draft my nation's constitution, and I have also drafted many treaties between my nation and other nations. Our nation's educational system is one of the best in our region, and indeed, our education system, with its intense language requirements, both in English and other foreign languages, among other requirements, has enabled our nation to train a new generation of leaders who is able to take on the challenges the world has placed on it in the past, present, and future. So, before you decide to engage in such tawdry and chintzy attacks, get your facts straight. Or perhaps your nation's lack of an intense, rigorous education system precludes one from getting facts straight?

Our points and reasoning in our opposition remains clear, and we will not talk about it again. We are adamant in our opposition. It is not idiotic to support the spirit of a resolution, but vote it down because of its lack of grammar and potentially befuddling enforcement. We are also aware of the new RoMaW that is being drafted. We are not professionally dense, we just don't like to state the obvious.

Also, for a nation that claims to be wiser, but still support this legislation unconditionally, despite its inherently flawed grammar and lacking language, this has got to be the best example of irony we have seen. A classic case of the pot calling the kettle black? Are the Altanarian delegates dense, or just lacking processing power from the neck up?

I will have you know, Krytellin, that I have done much for my nation, and you are not entitled to me proving my achievements to you. But since we are locked in this chamber for the long run, I will list them to you. I graduated from the Free University of Vista Buena Summa Cum Laude In Cursu Honorum with a Juris Doctor degree. I helped draft my nation's constitution, and I have also drafted many treaties between my nation and other nations. Our nation's educational system is one of the best in our region, and indeed, our education system, with its intense language requirements, both in English and other foreign languages, among other requirements, has enabled our nation to train a new generation of leaders who is able to take on the challenges the world has placed on it in the past, present, and future. So, before you decide to engage in such tawdry and chintzy attacks, get your facts straight. Or perhaps your nation's lack of an intense, rigorous education system precludes one from getting facts straight?

Our points and reasoning in our opposition remains clear, and we will not talk about it again. We are adamant in our opposition. It is not idiotic to support the spirit of a resolution, but vote it down because of its lack of grammar and potentially befuddling enforcement. We are also aware of the new RoMaW that is being drafted. We are not professionally dense, we just don't like to state the obvious.

Also, for a nation that claims to be wiser, but still support this legislation unconditionally, despite its inherently flawed grammar and lacking language, this has got to be the best example of irony we have seen. A classic case of the pot calling the kettle black? Are the Altanarian delegates dense, or just lacking processing power from the neck up?

The point has already been made that the LANGUAGE IS IMMATERIAL. How can your "educated" skulls be so thick as to not comprehend that?

You're so focused on brute intelligence that you've missed the wisdom of repealing useless material. Don't worry -- you're far from the first to make that mistake.

what this bill needs is to be amended, not erased. we need to set a lower limit to the rights portrayed in the bill while giving each nation the freedom to establish the upper limit. for example "showing love" would be fine, but if people are "doing it" in public, that may cause trouble. therefore, i would set an uper limit to how much and where showing love could take place. the lower limit would still be in place however.

in short, Grog is right. the bill should be changed IF AND ONLY IF the bill is immediately replaced with something that establishes clear-cut lower limits whithout difining them so much as to establish upper limits.

The point has already been made that the LANGUAGE IS IMMATERIAL. How can your "educated" skulls be so thick as to not comprehend that?

You're so focused on brute intelligence that you've missed the wisdom of repealing useless material. Don't worry -- you're far from the first to make that mistake.

Language is immaterial, to a point. There is a point where language needs to be enforced to ensure efficient administration, and this is one of them.

We are actually being very reasonable here. Vote down this repeal resolution, draft a new resolution to the same effect, vote for it, and vote for the new RoMaW. This has been our policy all along.

Language is immaterial, to a point. There is a point where language needs to be enforced to ensure efficient administration, and this is one of them.

We are actually being very reasonable here. Vote down this repeal resolution, draft a new resolution to the same effect, vote for it, and vote for the new RoMaW. This has been our policy all along.

"This is one of them?" Why? You've never been clear about why, other than just saying, as unnecessarily and floridly as you think you can, "because we say so, nyah".

You're being needlessly officious and smarmily bullying and for no good reason. You can't speak to the purpose of the resolution, so you've resorted to what resembles an ad hominem attack on the resolution. You're not being reasonable, you're being petty. Big difference.

potentially befuddling enforcement
How enforce repeal? Repeal just remove old law, nothing more. Nothing to enforce.

Glog Firemaker, son of Glog Crushdogskullwithrock
UN Ambassador

How enforce repeal? Repeal just remove old law, nothing more. Nothing to enforce.

Glog Firemaker, son of Glog Crushdogskullwithrock
UN Ambassador

Out of the mouths of cavemen...brilliance.

Out of the mouths of cavemen...brilliance.


To the delegates of Intangelon.

We have said, all the way along, that we support the essence and spirit of this resolution, but we just oppose the language. We just cannot have this tainting the UN resolution books.

To the delegates of Intangelon.

We have said, all the way along, that we support the essence and spirit of this resolution, but we just oppose the language. We just cannot have this tainting the UN resolution books.

"Tainting"? That's humorous. My friend, have you, in fact, READ the whole of the Resolution oeuvre? You're funny.

tainting the UN resolution books.
Oh LAWD! Won't someone please stop the tainting of the resolution books!

Aüþgæþ Spøtyiú
Tainting UN Resolution Books Since 2005

We, in the Armed Republic of Kerderan, believe that the bill should be repealed and rewritten. The only alternative is to create a separate bill to define commonly used abstract and/or subjective terms.

Thus we vote: FOR

To the delegates of Intangelon.

We have said, all the way along, that we support the essence and spirit of this resolution, but we just oppose the language. We just cannot have this tainting the UN resolution books.

*rises woozily*
All right, what'd I miss? Ah, yes. Dr. Kittleson, your final sentence begs for a resounding "Or else what?" Exactly what are the dire consequences if this resolution does pass? Will the universe collapse? Do you turn into a pumpkin? Does Santa Claus not give us treats for Christmas? What?
Frankly, while we certainly admire your insistence on proper English usage, we humbly remind you that those are YOUR standards. Not ours. You spoke of irony earlier. Dr. Kittleson, do you not see the stunning irony of imposing your standards of English on the rest of us in a debate over a UN resolution on tolerance and nondiscrimination? Are you saying that we must respect only religious and sexual rights, but not language rights? Does Glog not have the right to petition this honourable body in his own tongue? Does he not have the right to express himself without the stigma of being 'tainted'? Or are you saying that because Glog speaks in Caveman, he is somehow lesser than you who speak the King's English?

In closing, I wish to relate a saying in the Armed Republic, one with its roots in other countries but which we have recently taken to heart.
First they came for Glog,
But I was not a Gloggian, so I did not say anything.
Then they came for Zarquon,
But I was not of Zarquon, so I did not say anything.
Then they came for me,
And there was no one left to say anything.

In the name of freedom, of democracy, and of decency, we implore this assembly to reject anti-Gloggian discrimination, and support this repeal. Thank you.

Darth Fescus,
Ambassador of the Armed Republic of Darth Ron Paul

When you run a nation you can run it in many ways.

You can be irresponsable. Having fun. . . taking decisions that distroy the dreams of others and rejoicing in their despair and in your supremacy.

Or you can take decisions reposnablytrying to build a better reality for yourself and others.

In the end this is but a simulation, but the way you behave here is pretty much a reflection . . even if extremly indirct . . . . as to how politicians back at home may very well act.

So many of them take power for granted and consider it one big game that gives them pleasure of the mind to the expense fo the wellbeing of someone else .. . . independtley of the harm they generate with their childish games.

To us this is a game .. . . to others our parliments and our governments are a game.

Parphrasing the seer of World of warcraft: every choice we make changes us .. . no matter how big it is no matter how small .. . . be it for good or for ill. . . and reflects who we are and determines who we will be.

In the mind in the body and in the spirit.

Decide every small thought in your mind according to the being you wish to be or you wish to become.

I think the original concept was fine, but it has been hurriedly executed. It really needs to be repealed and rewritten with some thought.

Arktalasian Queendom vote; repeal.

The Gaffaen Ambassador returns from his 'private room' break to a stack of papers detailing the debate so far. He glares at the secretary who continues to make short-hand notes in her notepad. Groaning, he sits down behind the bullet-proof screen-fronted desk and sifts through the debate.

So essentially there are those saying:
Aye - bad resolution, get rid of it.
Nay - bad resolution, but has to be a good repeal to do it
Nay - really nice title on the resolution
Nay - it's a good blocker

Man, I need some painkillers.

ooc:
Whoever posted The General Prologue introduction - I hate you so much right now, I had to learn it by heart and it's going around my head now. :headbang: Oh, and technically that is 'Middle' English. Now Shakespeare is 'Modern' English. Apparently people can't understand him either.

Of course English is very unusual for having very complex grammar rules and extremely flowery language. Are you saying some of the simpler languages are unsophisticated, primitive and undignified?
Glog is speaking English. Bad English maybe, but it is English. And better than most people on the 'net. Need I mention 1337?

<insert relevant LolCatz picture>

I will have you know, Krytellin, that I have done much for my nation, and you are not entitled to me proving my achievements to you.

Not entitled? Oh, the stunning arrogance. It's a wonder your head was able to fit through the doors to this chamber, my dear Kittleson.

But since we are locked in this chamber for the long run,

The doors aren't locked; you can leave whenever you like. In fact, many of us wish you'd do so now, since the air has gotten perceptibly hotter in here since you arrived.

I will list them to you. I graduated from the Free University of Vista Buena Summa Cum Laude In Cursu Honorum with a Juris Doctor degree.

Hey, that's great. Did the box of candy that the degree came in come with a toy, too?

I helped draft my nation's constitution, and I have also drafted many treaties between my nation and other nations.

That may be, but if your constitution and treaties show the same emphasis of style over substance as your stance on this repeal, then what you've drafted really doesn't mean a whole lot. And if they don't show that same emphasis, why is your delegation so obsessed with minor grammar points over what this repeal would actually accomplish?

Our nation's educational system is one of the best in our region, and indeed, our education system, with its intense language requirements, both in English and other foreign languages, among other requirements, has enabled our nation to train a new generation of leaders who is able to take on the challenges the world has placed on it in the past, present, and future. So, before you decide to engage in such tawdry and chintzy attacks, get your facts straight. Or perhaps your nation's lack of an intense, rigorous education system precludes one from getting facts straight?

Apparently, "intense language requirements" take precedence over critical thinking and analysis skills in your educational system. That was my original complaint about your entire line of argument, and it's sad yet amusing that you still don't grasp that.

Our points and reasoning in our opposition remains clear, and we will not talk about it again. We are adamant in our opposition. It is not idiotic to support the spirit of a resolution, but vote it down because of its lack of grammar and potentially befuddling enforcement.

Please explain to me how it is not idiotic to support the spirit of a resolution and then vote it down because it, essentially, doesn't have words as pretty as you'd like. There is no issue with "potentially befuddling enforcement", because as Glog has pointed out, there isn't anything to enforce.

We are also aware of the new RoMaW that is being drafted. We are not professionally dense, we just don't like to state the obvious.

That's a nice dodge for what more likely happened, which is that you weren't paying attention, but I'll be nice and spot you that one.

Also, for a nation that claims to be wiser, but still support this legislation unconditionally, despite its inherently flawed grammar and lacking language, this has got to be the best example of irony we have seen. A classic case of the pot calling the kettle black? Are the Altanarian delegates dense, or just lacking processing power from the neck up?

This is hardly a pot-black scenario, and I've endeavored to explain why to you, but let me try again. I'll speak a little more slowly this time, and maybe you'll comprehend, but I doubt it.

The people of Altanar, and hence our UN delegates, value substance over style. We will take a resolution or repeal that are not letter-perfect in their writing over well-written crap anyday. This repeal is necessary in order to remove potentially harmful legislation that does nothing to protect peoples' rights, and actively blocks new legislation that would from being passed. Such legislation is ready and waiting in the wings, merely waiting for RoMaW to be stricken down so that it can be voted on. Yet many delegations, including your own, have taken the incomprehensible stance of refusing to vote for this repeal because of the language used by the writer (who, incidentally, can't help how he speaks). Therefore, you're voting to, in effect, continue to deprive minorities and women of meaningful protections of their rights, by keeping ineffective legislation around and blocking new legislation from being passed, simply because you, and some others, find the words used offensive to your little grammar fascist souls. If you, truly, cannot understand why that makes absolutely no sense, then you are beyond help.

Jaris Krytellin, Ambassador Emeritus

Mike the Aid rushed back in and leaned down to whisper quickly in Frank the TISA's ear. Frank nodded, then stood up.

"The Numismatic Arbiter of Ambassadorial Decision has decided that I can just say 'to hell with my career.' In my capacity as TIS Ambassador of the Borderlands of Delmarva Jersey I hereby declare my support for this resolution."

"On another note-- Vista Buena, straight from the mouths of my people-- shut the hell up. Please. You are an arrogant putz. Hell, at least when I get all flowery and big-word-using I don't force everyone else to do the same. And then tell them they're idiots because they talk different. They even said that they might not fire me if I told you what a prick you were, so: you're a prick. A tiny little prick."

--Frank Kava, TISA of the Borderlands of Delmarva Jersey

Sitting back, relaxed and nearly half-asleep, Maximillian Renault rolls his eyes at the lastest stalling of the opposition.
"Well you people ever start building a real defence for the retaining of this resolution or will you continue to waffle over foolishness and discrimination towards the Glogian people. I suppose all you've proved is that there is no real defence for keeping this resolution as all your doing is grasping at straws!"

He laughed. "Kittleson of Vista Buena, I think it is safe to say you are in deep need of a hobby if grammar-splicing is the only reason your attempting to defeat this repeal. I'm sure you might encourage the discrimination of other language speakers in your nation, which might be why you do not want real change to make better legislation, but the rest of us I'd hope want improvement instead of hollow legislation that is useless."

- Maximillian Renault, Vice-Commisar of The United Socialist States of Evoinia and Ambassador of the Progressive Allied Union.

I will have you know, Krytellin, that I have done much for my nation, and you are not entitled to me proving my achievements to you. But since we are locked in this chamber for the long run, I will list them to you. I graduated from the Free University of Vista Buena Summa Cum Laude In Cursu Honorum with a Juris Doctor degree. I helped draft my nation's constitution, and I have also drafted many treaties between my nation and other nations.




I have had no formal education. I have traveled abroad throughout this galaxy and beyond and have the knowledge of ten thousands civilizations etched into my brain, literally. It's a quite painful experience. Over the course of my travels I calculated the answer to life, the universe and everything to be forty two. I built an empire of nomadic peoples over the course of three days, and didn't even break a sweat. Do you know how hard it is not to break a sweat while wearing this damned robe?

I have done all of this while you sat in your classrooms studying rhetoric, and "I before e except after c." Excuse me for not having the luxury. As I have said, I have seen many other civilizations and I can attest that they would not let grammar prevent them from passing a very useful repeal.

Um, actually, I think I've made a relatively good point in arguing against this that has nothing to do with the grammar.
See, everyone wants the rights of women and minorities to be protected, right? Apparently, Rights of Minorities and Women doesn't go far enough. That's why everyone wants to repeal it: it doesn't do as much as anyone wants. But, you see, we ALREADY HAVE a resolution that does this: Resolution 99: Discrimination Accord.
This talks about how all people, male and female, of whatever race, have the rights to participate of government, right to enjoy all privileges of International Law, etc, but most importantly, THE RIGHT TO ENJOY PRIVILEGES EQUALLY TO EVERYONE ELSE IN THEIR RESPECTIVE COUNTRY. Basically, we already have a good resolution protecting rights of minorities and women.
So now people say "well, why do we keep Rights of Minorities and Women around? It has no point." Well, it does have a point. It encourages the passing of laws specifically designating equal rights for minorities and women.
Now you may say "but doesn't that make passing laws specifically saying that women and minorities have equal rights if we already have a law saying that EVERYONE has equal rights kind of moot?" Not really. Think of the Bill of Rights of the USA. We have the right to privacy (4th I think). But the Bill of Rights mentions nothing about the right not to be unreasonably searched. Yet we have a law saying "no one shall be unreasonably searched," because it is a reasonable extension of our right to privacy.
See, Rights of Minorities and Women encourages legislation designating specifically that women and minorities have equal rights to men and majorities, just like our right not to be unreasonably searched. Discrimination Accord is like our right to privacy. Rights of Minorities and Women reasonably derives from it.
So, if we didn't specifically have the right to not be unreasonably searched, we would still have that right because of our right to privacy, just like rights of minorities and women are protected even if it is not specified because EVERYONE's rights are protected.
The entire point of Rights of Minorities and Women is to encourage countries to pass legislation specifying minorities and women having equal rights, just like the USA has legislation specifying the right not to be unreasonably searched.
So there you go. That's my argument against repealing this resolution:
Rights of minorities and women are protected outside this legislature
Rights of Minorities and Women does have a point
Even if it is slightly ineffective, it still has SOME impact on the world
NOTHING IS GAINED in repealing it
NOTHING IS LOST in letting it be
IF ANYTHING at least it helps a little

The fact that the strongest defence against this repeal is quibbles over the perfectly-legible-yet-not-quite-traditional language used shows just how little reason there is to object to this repeal. Any nation that places more on legislation having standardized, "perfect" language more than they value their citizen's basic rights ought to be deeply ashamed. The Roseariean people and all the people of the PAU stand firmly behind Glog's repeal and see it as a valuable step down the road to the adequate protection of all the world's people.

The point of the United Nations is to affect change, not to quibble over language like elitists with nothing better to do. Perhaps delegates with time to fritter away and a lack of ambition may wish this to change, but Roseariea certainly does not.

Three Cheers for the repeal!

-Gordon Tills, Roseariean Ambassador to the UN.

The fact that the strongest defence against this repeal is quibbles over the perfectly-legible-yet-not-quite-traditional language used shows just how little reason there is to object to this repeal. Any nation that places more on legislation having standardized, "perfect" language more than they value their citizen's basic rights ought to be deeply ashamed. The Roseariean people and all the people of the PAU stand firmly behind Glog's repeal and see it as a valuable step down the road to the adequate protection of all the world's people.

The point of the United Nations is to affect change, not to quibble over language like elitists with nothing better to do. Perhaps delegates with time to fritter away and a lack of ambition may wish this to change, but Roseariea certainly does not.

Three Cheers for the repeal!

-Gordon Tills, Roseariean Ambassador to the UN.

I think it might be a good idea to read what I posted DIRECTLY ABOVE YOU before saying something next...

It encourages the passing of laws specifically designating equal rights for minorities and women.
Not require though. Glog already show how government can comply with UN Law #80 and still oppress minorities and women.
Think of the Bill of Rights of the USA.
*thinks about the Bill of Rights of the USA*

Glog not know about "Bill of Rights of the USA". What that? Where USA? Glog not know.

IF ANYTHING at least it helps a little
This best defense of UN Law #80 you have? Schuttegod people have replacement do much more than that. Replacement help more than a little. Glog repeal UN Law #80. Schuttegod replace with law that works.

Glog Firemaker, son of Glog Crushdogskullwithrock
UN Ambassador

It encourages the passing of laws specifically designating equal rights for minorities and women.
Flash News: The Government of the Republic of Misogynististan had passed a law prohibiting women from talking inside the subway train. Though the Misogynististani Constitution states that "Males and Females should be treated as equals. Whether it be in the workplace or at home," the Legislature had argued that the subway train is not "a workplace" or a "home". Female subway employees are not exempted, as by law, they don't "work".

Flash News: The military junta of Manyminoritiessia had just massacred ten thousand members of a minority tribe. While their constitution states that "No one race or culture is better than another," the junta says that while they may be not be better, they do not have the same rights. Sorry.

Flash News: Sodomy is now allowed in Segakrad, pursuant to the law that says, "One should have the right to express their love for a member of the same sex." However, homosexuality is still illegal, though expressing homosexual love is permitted.

Now you may say "but doesn't that make passing laws specifically saying that women and minorities have equal rights if we already have a law saying that EVERYONE has equal rights kind of moot?" Not really. Think of the Bill of Rights of the USA. We have the right to privacy (4th I think). But the Bill of Rights mentions nothing about the right not to be unreasonably searched. Yet we have a law saying "no one shall be unreasonably searched," because it is a reasonable extension of our right to privacy.
What USA?

The entire point of Rights of Minorities and Women is to encourage countries to pass legislation specifying minorities and women having equal rights, just like the USA has legislation specifying the right not to be unreasonably searched.
You think. But nope, it doesn't, really. I never saw a passage that states, "...ENCOURAGES nations to create and uphold laws that would protect..." Nope. Nada. Nil. Zero.

It's just your interpretation of it, dear, not anybody spins Res #80 like you do.
Rights of minorities and women are protected outside this legislature
Rights of Minorities and Women does have a point
Even if it is slightly ineffective, it still has SOME impact on the world
NOTHING IS GAINED in repealing it
NOTHING IS LOST in letting it be
IF ANYTHING at least it helps a little
Really? Res #80 is woefully toothless, and it doesn't help any bit. And you know, since you yourself said it, we already have Res#99, what's the need for Res #80?

I gather the delegate likes redundancy and crap.

<snip>Now you may say "but doesn't that make passing laws specifically saying that women and minorities have equal rights if we already have a law saying that EVERYONE has equal rights kind of moot?" Not really. Think of the Bill of Rights of the USA. We have the right to privacy (4th I think). But the Bill of Rights mentions nothing about the right not to be unreasonably searched. Yet we have a law saying "no one shall be unreasonably searched," because it is a reasonable extension of our right to privacy.<snip>


OOC: Not sure if we should make this an OOC discussion. Here's my IC version.

IC: If memory serves me right, the Bill of Rights was passed AT THE SAME TIME. Seeing as how Res #80 does not define the rights it tries to give, it is useless. Res. #99 has the same flaw, it does not guarantee rights. It only says you have rights that are decided by your local government. It says to build large education centers, but doesn't say how they should teach diversity.

It goes on to use words like, ENCOURAGES and URGES. That is not a law, that is a suggestion. If we are going to protect rights, we must first DEFINE them then we must ENFORCE them. Furthermore, we cannot pass resolutions with the hope that another will come along and pick up the missing pieces. A resolution should encompass everything it seeks to resolve. Therefore, we have a repeal before us that seeks to remove a useless resolution. The sooner it is gone, the sooner we can create another, stronger one to take it's place.

I will have you know, Krytellin, that I have done much for my nation, and you are not entitled to me proving my achievements to you. But since we are locked in this chamber for the long run, I will list them to you. I graduated from the Free University of Vista Buena Summa Cum Laude In Cursu Honorum with a Juris Doctor degree. I helped draft my nation's constitution, and I have also drafted many treaties between my nation and other nations. Our nation's educational system is one of the best in our region, and indeed, our education system, with its intense language requirements, both in English and other foreign languages, among other requirements, has enabled our nation to train a new generation of leaders who is able to take on the challenges the world has placed on it in the past, present, and future. So, before you decide to engage in such tawdry and chintzy attacks, get your facts straight. Or perhaps your nation's lack of an intense, rigorous education system precludes one from getting facts straight?

If you're going to preen yourself on your superior knowledge of grammar, you really should see if that university of yours has a remedial grammar course. Pay particular attention to the stuff about noun-verb agreement. From the highlighted portions of the quoted text, it seems you must have dozed off when that was taught.

Our points and reasoning in our opposition remains clear, and we will not talk about it again. We are adamant in our opposition. It is not idiotic to support the spirit of a resolution, but vote it down because of its lack of grammar and potentially befuddling enforcement. We are also aware of the new RoMaW that is being drafted. We are not professionally dense, we just don't like to state the obvious.

"Potentially befuddling enforcement?" Are you at all familiar with the nature and function of a repeal? Perhaps you should also consider enrolling in "NSUN Operations 101."

Also, for a nation that claims to be wiser, but still support this legislation unconditionally, despite its inherently flawed grammar and lacking language, this has got to be the best example of irony we have seen. A classic case of the pot calling the kettle black? Are the Altanarian delegates dense, or just lacking processing power from the neck up?

The Altanari delegates don't seem dense to us. The density seems to lie in the delegates who whine and moan about the language of the repeal while blithely ignoring the fact that the language of the resolution under repeal is inept, inadequate, and completely ineffective.

Balthasar H. von Aschenbach
Prime Minister

In response to Glog
“Quote:
Think of the Bill of Rights of the USA.

*thinks about the Bill of Rights of the USA*”

First of all, I thought YOU were the one all along saying we shouldn’t be scrutinizing other people’s grammar. That’s just hypocritical.

“Glog not know about "Bill of Rights of the USA". What that? Where USA? Glog not know.”

OOC: Fine. My bad. It was such a horrific mistake not putting OOC prefacing my previous statement. Sue me!

IC:
“Quote:
IF ANYTHING at least it helps a little

This best defense of UN Law #80 you have? Schuttegod people have replacement do much more than that. Replacement help more than a little. Glog repeal UN Law #80. Schuttegod replace with law that works.”

And, yes, it does help AT LEAST a little. Is it the best argument you have against Rights of Minorities and Women; that it doesn’t help enough?
We already have Discrimination Accord. Are you saying we should REQUIRE the passing of redundant laws or laws so implied by legislation that they are practically OVERTLY STATED? It doesn’t take a genius to make the jump from “everyone has equal rights” to “women have equal rights to men” and “minorities have equal rights to majorities,” it just says that it MIGHT be a good idea to pass those laws for those few stupid people who can’t make that connection.
I don’t think we really need to require that laws conform to every single dumb person in the world. This brings me back to the whole idea of passing a dictionary into law, so that people know every single word used, or perhaps passing a constitution for every single person just so they know that it applies to them.
While laws should be pretty exact, I think its safe to assume that people can perhaps have an ounce of thought once in a while. Maybe its okay if .001% of the people in the world can’t see that everyone means everyone. Maybe its not. But I think with that small margin of error it is okay to let the countries decide individually…

Everyone here is pretty much either an ultraliberal, or a super conservative. Why can't we have an even medium!?

Forget this crap. I don't even know what the hell the topic IS anymore. Why don't we just say screw it and keep our opinions to ourselves? Then one of us can build a doomsday device, someone can nuke it, and then we'll play We'll Meet Again until the cows come home!

What I'm trying to say is, we need a war room.

Yes, I watched Doctor Strangelove last night.

Seriously, we need a war room.

EDIT: Let's stop insulting each others grammatical skills and get on with ruling our goddamned countries!

I agree that this U.N. Resolution hardy lives up to it's name, yet one wonders whether or not another like it will be voted back into U.N. Law. True, the main reason we are repealing this is due to it's Weakness and Grammatical error, but what if people decide to enforce a dictatorial level of oppression by repealing this act? Unless someone else writes another Resolution, I am quite hesitant to endorse this repeal.

Everyone here is pretty much either an ultraliberal, or a super conservative. Why can't we have an even medium!?

Forget this crap. I don't even know what the hell the topic IS anymore. Why don't we just say screw it and keep our opinions to ourselves? Then one of us can build a doomsday device, someone can nuke it, and then we'll play We'll Meet Again until the cows come home!

What I'm trying to say is, we need a war room.

Yes, I watched Doctor Strangelove last night.

Seriously, we need a war room.

EDIT: Let's stop insulting each others grammatical skills and get on with ruling our goddamned countries!

Hmmm..... How do I put this....




What are you talking about? We don't need to protect ourselves! We all get along just fi- AUGH!!
:sniper:

Everyone here is pretty much either an ultraliberal, or a super conservative. Why can't we have an even medium!?

Forget this crap. I don't even know what the hell the topic IS anymore. Why don't we just say screw it and keep our opinions to ourselves? Then one of us can build a doomsday device, someone can nuke it, and then we'll play We'll Meet Again until the cows come home!

What I'm trying to say is, we need a war room.

Yes, I watched Doctor Strangelove last night.

Seriously, we need a war room.

EDIT: Let's stop insulting each others grammatical skills and get on with ruling our goddamned countries!

OOC: Damn, and I was just about to Zarquon call Strangelove and have him get the "Device" ready to launch.

IC: I agree, we need a war room. We have to be careful about who we let in. You don't want just anyone seeing the Big Board.

Unless someone else writes another Resolution, I am quite hesitant to endorse this repeal.

Please review this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=542690), as it will hopefully answer your concerns about a replacement and encourage you to support this repeal.

Jaris Krytellin, Ambassador Emeritus

First of all, I thought YOU were the one all along saying we shouldn’t be scrutinizing other people’s grammar. That’s just hypocritical.
OOC: What in the world are you going on about here? You said think about the Bill of Rights. I had Glog think about it.

OOC: Fine. My bad. It was such a horrific mistake not putting OOC prefacing my previous statement. Sue me!
Calm down.

And, yes, it does help AT LEAST a little. Is it the best argument you have against Rights of Minorities and Women; that it doesn’t help enough?
IC: Not help at all. That Glog's argument. Glog already say many times, Rights of Minorities and Women do nothing. Cobdenia people, then Glog, then Brutland and Norden people all show example of how governments comply with UN Law #80 but still oppress people.

Glog Firemaker, son of Glog Crushdogskullwithrock
UN Ambassador

In response to Brutland and Nordan

“Flash News: The Government of the Republic of Misogynististan had passed a law prohibiting women from talking inside the subway train. Though the Misogynististani Constitution states that "Males and Females should be treated as equals. Whether it be in the workplace or at home," the Legislature had argued that the subway train is not "a workplace" or a "home". Female subway employees are not exempted, as by law, they don't "work".”

Yes, but, then again, they probably don’t have a law saying EVERYONE IS EQUAL. Besides, I don’t think they are members of the UN so they don’t have to abide by these laws.

“Flash News: The military junta of Manyminoritiessia had just massacred ten thousand members of a minority tribe. While their constitution states that "No one race or culture is better than another," the junta says that while they may be not be better, they do not have the same rights. Sorry.”

Again, in all likelihood, they don’t have a law saying EVERYONE IS EQUAL. Maybe you should read what I posted more carefully. And, again, they are not in the UN so they don’t have to abide by our laws either.

“Flash News: Sodomy is now allowed in Segakrad, pursuant to the law that says, "One should have the right to express their love for a member of the same sex." However, homosexuality is still illegal, though expressing homosexual love is permitted.”

Good point. But that doesn’t make an argument against something Res. 80 said, it just makes an argument that we should have a law saying “homosexuality is legal.” Maybe you should propose it.

“What USA?”

Yeah, What Misogynististan, What Manyminoritiessia, and What Segakrad, anyway? Never heard of them.
OOC: I am sooooo sorry that I forgot to put OOC prefacing my that statement. You should lock me up and throw away the key. jk

IC:
“It's just your interpretation of it, dear, not anybody spins Res #80 like you do.”

Really? I wasn’t aware that that saying “women should be treated the same as men,” and “you are encouraged to treat women the same as men” was such a huge difference. You’re right. What a perverse way to think of “you should;” as “you are encouraged to.” Actually, now that I think about it, those two kind of mean the same thing, don’t they? Maybe I am not “spinning” it as much as you thought?

“Really? Res #80 is woefully toothless, and it doesn't help any bit. And you know, since you yourself said it, we already have Res#99, what's the need for Res #80?

I gather the delegate likes redundancy and crap.”

First of all, I’m not a delegate, but thank you for the compliment.
Second, why would Max Barry even make Mild and Significant as options when prosing a resolution? Why not just make Strong. Its because it encourages legislation in favor of what is being said. It absolutely does not require anything, but the UN goes on record and says “we support this view. This is a good idea. Many of our members like this idea, and, in fact, pass laws in favor of this idea. THE GROUP AS IN GENERAL FOLLOWS THIS IDEOLOGY.” That’s the point.

Once the new rights of women and minorities act is passed. Some of the Ambassadors are going to have to appear before the UN Supreme Court. Joebot, be a good lad and fetch my wig.

Since when do we have a UN Supreme Court?

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IC: I agree, we need a war room. We have to be careful about who we let in. You don't want just anyone seeing the Big Board.

Much like parties, the Sith are not invited or "let in" to war rooms. We crash them. :mp5:

Since when do we have a UN Supreme Court?
If we don't have one, we need it. How else are we to bring international criminals to justice?

If we don't have one, we need it. How else are we to bring international criminals to justice?

ooc: Either a) The Compliance Ministry make them toe the line by 'changing their laws'
b) They rp problems with complying. Then you can rp a response similar to how the real UN acts...um...with great difficulty.

Perhaps I should detail some of the Gaffaen Laws to explain how the resolution is ineffective to Perpetuating Liberty...

In the Gaffaen Territories, if you want to get the bus you have to get the bus driven by someone from your state. Seeing each state is inhabitated entirely and solely by people of one ethnicity that is effectively equivalent to only people from x minority can ride x bus. Like Massayan Dwarves have to ride the Dwarf bus...affectionally known as the 'short bus'. Because all minorities are treated equally, Gaffa's not infringing. Even though some buses are more frequent than others, the actual treatment is equal.

If we don't have one, we need it. How else are we to bring international criminals to justice?

Gnomish assassination squads, what else?

Why do you think the Kennyites summarily execute any gnomes attempting to enter the Federal Republic?

Glog agree. Many mighty UN Delegate nations not vote yet. Repeal not dead.

Glog need poo throwing machine.

Glog Firemaker, son of Glog Crushdogskullwithrock
UN Ambassador

We donate a poo throwing machine for Glog and for anyone else who find some of the debators a little too grammar elitist!

Well, we donate a second poo-throwing machine (more to throw), Brutland and Norden beat us, they gave a machine first. Oh well its the thought that counts!

I will have you know, Krytellin, that I have done much for my nation, and you are not entitled to me proving my achievements to you. But since we are locked in this chamber for the long run, I will list them to you. I graduated from the Free University of Vista Buena Summa Cum Laude In Cursu Honorum with a Juris Doctor degree. I helped draft my nation's constitution, and I have also drafted many treaties between my nation and other nations. Our nation's educational system is one of the best in our region, and indeed, our education system, with its intense language requirements, both in English and other foreign languages, among other requirements, has enabled our nation to train a new generation of leaders who is able to take on the challenges the world has placed on it in the past, present, and future. So, before you decide to engage in such tawdry and chintzy attacks, get your facts straight. Or perhaps your nation's lack of an intense, rigorous education system precludes one from getting facts straight?

Education is not about having prestigious titles or achievements of jumping through hoops in some institution. Education is about how one acts with what one has learned. You may be able to form proper sentences but if you say nothing with them you show your lack of education as opposed to someone who may not have proper grammar yet speaks volumes of wisdom. Glog shows a higher education than Vista Buena and he does not have pieces of paper to demonstrate that, just his actions.

OOC: Now that I'm back from work... lets begin.

Gnomish assassination squads, what else?

Why do you think the Kennyites summarily execute any gnomes attempting to enter the Federal Republic?

Because they're gnomes, duh. Personally I let the assassination gnomes in and use them in a gnomish arena of gnomish pit fighters. They're very well paid of course(this is how I pay my voluntary dues to the UN).

Back to the repeal at hand. The only thing you guys have to remember about this: the current resolution is a stumbling block towards a more effective resolution. If you want to protect rights, you'll vote for this repeal. If you're for keeping the status quo, Nazi, misogynistic, and homophobic policies and all, by all means vote the repeal down.

May Chuck Norris have mercy on your souls.

We donate a poo throwing machine for Glog and for anyone else who find some of the debators a little too grammar elitist!

Well, we donate a second poo-throwing machine (more to throw), Brutland and Norden beat us, they gave a machine first. Oh well its the thought that counts!



Education is not about having prestigious titles or achievements of jumping through hoops in some institution. Education is about how one acts with what one has learned. You may be able to form proper sentences but if you say nothing with them you show your lack of education as opposed to someone who may not have proper grammar yet speaks volumes of wisdom. Glog shows a higher education than Vista Buena and he does not have pieces of paper to demonstrate that, just his actions.

Education, to a point, DOES mean having achievements and skills in basic areas. If you cannot propagate your ideas efficiently and in a coherent manner, it means nothing, even if you have all the wisdoms of the world! The fact remains that Vista Buena support the essence and spirit of this repeal resolution, just not the language.

Education, to a point, DOES mean having achievements and skills in basic areas. If you cannot propagate your ideas efficiently and in a coherent manner, it means nothing, even if you have all the wisdoms of the world! The fact remains that Vista Buena support the essence and spirit of this repeal resolution, just not the language.

To be honest, I have to disagree with your assertion that the language of this repeal is inefficient or incoherent. If you were to simply read it, and not allow the auto-correct in your mind to try to fix it, you'd realize it's extremely coherent, indeed it is by far more accessible than the resolution it is repealing.

I understand that you do not truly care about the rights of women or minorities. I understand that it is very important to you that this repeal not pass, but do not belittle the obviously very intelligent GLOG, with your biased opinions. Please learn to respect others, even if your nation can't respect minorities or women.

To be honest, I have to disagree with your assertion that the language of this repeal is inefficient or incoherent. If you were to simply read it, and not allow the auto-correct in your mind to try to fix it, you'd realize it's extremely coherent, indeed it is by far more accessible than the resolution it is repealing.

I understand that you do not truly care about the rights of women or minorities. I understand that it is very important to you that this repeal not pass, but do not belittle the obviously very intelligent GLOG, with your biased opinions. Please learn to respect others, even if your nation can't respect minorities or women.

I would have to ask the Dourian delegates whether they have any knowledge of our government's policy on women and minorities? We have women in every levels of higher education. More than 40% of our members of State Parliament are women, and our nation's minority have similar achievements. Our nation recognizes all people for their potentials and achievements, not their race, and yet, the Dourian delegations dare to pin Vista Buena as a racist, sexist nation!

We are not insulting the intelligence of g l o g's delegates. We are simply making a point on language, which is extremely important in our society. An articulated, well planned out language is what separates us humans from animals!

I would have to ask the Dourian delegates whether they have any knowledge of our government's policy on women and minorities? We have women in every levels of higher education. More than 40% of our members of State Parliament are women, and our nation's minority have similar achievements. Our nation recognizes all people for their potentials and achievements, not their race, and yet, the Dourian delegations dare to pin Vista Buena as a racist, sexist nation!

We are not insulting the intelligence of g l o g's delegates. We are simply making a point on language, which is extremely important in our society. An articulated, well planned out language is what separates us humans from animals!

Articulated, well planned out language. The standard answer, that even you might understand is that there are many more important things that "separate" Humans from Animals. However, the limitations you place in your mind on who is and who is not a person make me shake my head. Do you realize this fine assembly has many non-human members, and your statements are an affront to the fine standards you wish to exude?

I would have to ask the Dourian delegates whether they have any knowledge of our government's policy on women and minorities? We have women in every levels of higher education. More than 40% of our members of State Parliament are women, and our nation's minority have similar achievements. Our nation recognizes all people for their potentials and achievements, not their race, and yet, the Dourian delegations dare to pin Vista Buena as a racist, sexist nation!

We are not insulting the intelligence of g l o g's delegates. We are simply making a point on language, which is extremely important in our society. An articulated, well planned out language is what separates us humans from animals!

The Vista Buenan delegate seems to forget that Glog is a caveman. That is how he talks. For Glog, the words that come out of his mouth are proper and grammatical. Not everyone speaks the same, nor should they- I might spell my "connection" "connexion," but it's not incorrect- it's just different and completely acceptable.

Your delegation has made an issue of the grammar of the resolution for the entire debate, consistently mentioning it to the detriment of other arguments. The language of the repeal is not the issue; it is the substance. Debate on that for once, instead of the Gloggian speech patterns! Leave it to the linguists, pray!

Harmalan Shandreth
Ambassador Plenipotens

It is fortuatous that I have returned just in time to speak to this resolution. I would like to to thank the author for this thoughtful, yet inarticulate reasoning.

The resolution "Rights of Minorities and Women" is such a blanket, postmodern pile of blasphemy. Judgements must be made. Inherent, objective value does exist. The statement "Not a single religion or belief is better or more right than another" is ludicrous. Our state religion says that it is the only way, the Truth and that all followers of other gods are destined to hell. Your religion may say the same thing about followers of mine. By making this statement that they are both right is simply illogical and foolish. How can two, mutually exclusive statements both be true.

And don't give me that subjective, 'it's true for you but not for me' nonsense.

Women and minorities do have rights, but saying that everything is equal is blind stupidity.

Araneus
UN ambassador for Sanctus Aequitas votes FOR this repeal.

Articulated, well planned out language. The standard answer, that even you might understand is that there are many more important things that "separate" Humans from Animals. However, the limitations you place in your mind on who is and who is not a person make me shake my head. Do you realize this fine assembly has many non-human members, and your statements are an affront to the fine standards you wish to exude?

OOC: We are simply talking about humans on Earth at this point.

OOC: We are simply talking about humans on Earth at this point.

You are, Trey isn't.

Okay look. All debates about language and wording aside, the fact is that the original piece of legislation is vague and ambiguous, and there are so many loopholes in it a 3 year old could find them. The Holy Empire of Verdus is voting FOR this repeal in hopes that a new piece of legislation is formed with better construction.

This is funny... all these is because you cannot find another thing but to look into the most significant details just to vote against a law that it can be clearly understood by people with common sense and are able to understand where this law is pointing at...
OK, I'm not anyone to tell you if you'd better vote FOR or AGAINST, but I think if we all want to have a better world (and by "better" I mean more respectful and more peaceful), let's start thinking forward, and not slowing down because you don't think "better" or "good" are defined inside the law...
Is my personal belief that we are all equals and we all must have no differences between each other, that's why my people from Inferian and the one in my Region vote AGAINST

"Live free... and die smiling for what you've done in life" :D

Inferian Coordinator.-

After little thought, commuasia has decided to accept this repeal, because when you protect the rights of women and minorities, then male majorities are the ones that are being treated unfairly by women and minorities. The only way for true equality is to pass laws protecting everyone or no one.

After little thought, commuasia has decided to accept this repeal, because when you protect the rights of women and minorities, then male majorities are the ones that are being treated unfairly by women and minorities. The only way for true equality is to pass laws protecting everyone or no one.

Here is another fine example of someone that has no idea what we're talking about. Joebot, give them an atomic wedgie.

*Suddenly, the air is filled with the stirring (or bombastic, you decide) Anthem Of The People's Democratic Republic of Yelda, as performed by the Male Voice Choir Of The Yeldan Worker's Party.*

*The doors of the General Assembly burst open and Felix Dzerzhinsky, Chairman of the Yeldan Committee For State Security, rides down the main aisle on horseback. He is followed by a group of CSS agents dressed, inexplicably, as old west gunfighters, a squadron of Robotic Destructor Bunnies™ mounted on miniature ponies, and a delegation from the People's Select Committee For The Advancement Of Durable Goods Production And The Furtherment Of Research Into Durable Goods Manufacturing Technologies, carrying large Yeldan flags.*

*The Bunnies dismount and begin to ready the DEFENESTRATINATOR V.2 for action. Felix rides up to the rostrum, climbs down from his steed, and addresses the assembly.*

Comrades, fellow diplomats and those about to be defenestrated! I have been called before you tonight to rid the General Assembly of subversive elements who seek to derail civilized debate and disrupt the general decorum of this body. They have undertaken to destabilize the workings of the United Nations and impede the progress of the much-needed repeal legislation we have before us.

These hooligans have attempted to bring this, the world's legislative body, to its knees. They hate democracy and I will call them what they are...terrorists!

Comrades! We must act quickly to eradicate this menace to public order and decency. I enjoin you to help round up these cretins. If you know of anyone who has spoken against the repeal, report them to myself, one of the Comrade Bunnies or one of the helpful and friendly CSS agents who are now moving amongst you.

So, we proceed. I have before me a list of the delegations who have terrorized this assembly over the past days. I also have a set of coordinates (graciously provided by the Flibbleite Delegation) for a suitable target at which to aim the DEFENESTRATINATOR V.2.

The entire staffs of the following delegations are to be defenestrated at once!

Blue Booted Bobbies
Damanucus
Medicated Children
Mashusa
Pasokara
Schiessenwald
New Hamilton
Stavenburgia
Logopia
Shivydom
Perpetuating Liberty
Chiarizio
The-Thing
Garchyland
Chernobyl Power Plant
Gobbannium
Piedmont57769
Ki Baratan
NAIM People
Vista Buena
The Self Willed
Fennijer
Germonic
Crapooza
United Dependencies
Punckeds
[NS:::::]Renesslaer
Cemetary Wastelands
St Edmundan Antarctic
Chataimer
United_Deception
Jastreb
Inspinor
Yshurak

Now, let us begin with the delegation from Vista Buena!

*The Destructor Bunny (a particularly nasty one) in command of the DEFENESTRATINATOR pushes a button, pulls some levers, turns a knob, then stomps a pedal. The horrid machine roars to life with a grinding of gears and a cloud of steam and coal fumes.*

*The Vista Buena delegation is loaded into the DEFENESTRATINATOR V.2 and launched downrange into the dump truck full of chocobo manure prepositioned by the Flibbleites.*

Splendid!

Felix Edmundovich Dzerzhinsky
Chairman, Yeldan Committee For State Security

The gentle peoples of Outer Micronesia respect Glog and Glog's arguments for clarity, but we feel that the original resolution is worthwhile and important for upholding civil rights around the world. For this reason we vote AGAINST the repeal and encourage all forward thinking nations to do likewise. Now, if Glog were also proposing an alternative to Resolution 80, Rights of Minorities and Women, preferably written in a more universal vernacular, that would be a different matter. However, no such alternative seems to be in the offing.

Willy, Ambassador Emeritus, Outer Micronesia

*The Vista Buena delegation is loaded into the DEFENESTRATINATOR V.2 and launched downrange into the dump truck full of chocobo manure prepositioned by the Flibbleites.*

Splendid!

Felix Edmundovich Dzerzhinsky
Chairman, Yeldan Committee For State Security

It's been said one, twice and now I"m saying it for the third time. By the Pantheon, I love technology. Mr. Felix, feel free to use Joebot™ should you need his services.

Democracy in action. Let the defenstration begin!

The gentle peoples of Outer Micronesia respect Glog and Glog's arguments for clarity, but we feel that the original resolution is worthwhile and important for upholding civil rights around the world. For this reason we vote AGAINST the repeal and encourage all forward thinking nations to do likewise. Now, if Glog were also proposing an alternative to Resolution 80, Rights of Minorities and Women, preferably written in a more universal vernacular, that would be a different matter. However, no such alternative seems to be in the offing.

If you feel this way, then, can you please explain what RoMaW does, exactly, that is "worthwhile and important for upholding civil rights around the world"? You'd be the first delegate in this entire debate to offer such an explanation to date, if you could. Somehow, though, I doubt you can. Please read RoMaW again, and then you'll see why it has to go.

And again, as many of us have stated, a replacement for RoMaW IS ALREADY BEING DRAFTED.

Jaris Krytellin, Ambassador Emeritus (who wonders why he unretired himself)

It's been said one, twice and now I"m saying it for the third time. By the Pantheon, I love technology. Mr. Felix, feel free to use Joebot™ should you need his services.

Democracy in action. Let the defenstration begin!

Zarquon, have you converted to the Solar Pantheonic faith? Or do you just like the phrase? Either way, I'm quite amused, which is a nice change in this debate.

Jaris Krytellin, Ambassador Emeritus

*In between convulsions*

I hope not, I hear they taste terrible. Besides, Roast Flibble Au Jue(?) doesn't sound particularly appetizing.

It doesn't sound appetizing to me either.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

OOC: It's spelled Au Jus.

The gentle peoples of Outer Micronesia respect Glog and Glog's arguments for clarity, but we feel that the original resolution is worthwhile and important for upholding civil rights around the world. For this reason we vote AGAINST the repeal and encourage all forward thinking nations to do likewise. Now, if Glog were also proposing an alternative to Resolution 80, Rights of Minorities and Women, preferably written in a more universal vernacular, that would be a different matter. However, no such alternative seems to be in the offing.Oh, for freak's sake, how many times do we have to tell you, "There is a replacement for this under discussion," before you idiots actually believe us?? For the sake of clarification, let me say it one more time:

There is a replacement for this under discussion. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=542690)

Really, I gotta ask (in the words of the impressive and quite manly Sgt. Lou Diamond Harkness (http://z11.invisionfree.com/Antarctic_Oasis/index.php?showtopic=135&view=findpost&p=4457197) of The Palentine): "What is your major malfunction??" Why can't you people realize that we do not oppose protections for women and minorities; we only oppose silly legislation that pays them lip service and yet does nothing? Felix is absolutely right: you lot are all dangerous terrorists, dispatched here by your terror-loving governments to sabotage this discussion, derail a worthy repeal attempt, and complicate matters for substantive replacement. My security team will deal with you all shortly. Defenestrate, yes, but first: there are some questions I'd like to ask of you all, if you'd care to join me in the side chamber as I call out your names. Don't bother coming willingly, either: my girls will make sure that you arrive for questioning. Heh-heh-heh...

[Cdr. Chiang smiles maliciously as she produces a handful of sharpened reeds, sticking one of them just under her index fingernail, to test its durability. She pauses suddenly.]

Ambassador, what the hell are you doing here?

"I've come to put a stop to this madness, Commander. Not the aggressive questioning of the fuckwits -- by all means proceed -- it's just this -- whole -- muthafucklin' -- debate!! It sickens me!! For the past three and a half days, I been up in Tony's Palace Casino, trying to enjoy 'my' 'hard-earned' money, but I can't, since they insist on setting all the televisions to this debate up there! It sucks! It's a bunch of whining and wailing about nothing! And I'm gonna end it, once and for all. My man Felix says there's a shitload of fuckers we need to get rid of, but that's just too much work! It's not worth it. So rather than waste a bunch of time throwing others out the window, I'm just gonna defenestrate myself, and end my own misery. That oughtta simplify things."

[He races for the nearest window.]

"AAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!"

[On the way, he grabs Ambassador Emeritus Willy from Outer Micronesia.]

"Cushion my fall."

[They both sail out the window.]

"Cowabungaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!"

*KERSPLAT!*

[Susa's voice can be heard from outside below (it is just a two-story drop, mind you.)]

"Heh. That was fun!"

Zarquon, have you converted to the Solar Pantheonic faith? Or do you just like the phrase? Either way, I'm quite amused, which is a nice change in this debate.

Jaris Krytellin, Ambassador Emeritus


No, I haven't converted. The Total Prospective Vortex I stepped into while on Frogstar World B said that I was the most important being in the universe, and I'm happy in believing that. At this very moment, my Frood scientists are working diligently to build one for use in our judiciary system. We are looking at going into mass production with it.

OOC: For those of you just tuning in, I'll give you a summary:

Idiot One: Who the hell rights like this? AGAINST!!!

Other Guy: Oh no, he meant to write it like that. If you read it, you'll notice it's very well written, but in caveman speak.

Idiot One: Oh, if it's not in proper English, it's inherently bad.

Other Guy: It's a step towards protecting people's rights, how is that inherently bad?

Idiot One: It's not in proper englich. That's why.

Other Guy: So you're going to allow discrimination to continue because you're an idiot?

Idiot One: I feel like you've known me all my life! Love me!

Other Guy: NO!

Idiot Two: Who the hell rights like that? AGAINST!

Rinse, lather, defenestrate, and repeat.

IC: Forget defenestration! I'm thinking some of these guys need some roundhouse kicks to the face, courtesy of the Church of Norris.

*prays*

:rolleyes: Glog need look in dictionary. Glog need know big words like "better", and "equal". Glog dumb. Glog write repeal bad. What glog have against woman and minorities? :upyours: you glog! Jakuhai's vote: AGAINST. :B. That glog. Buckteeth.

:rolleyes: Glog need look in dictionary. Glog need know big words like "better", and "equal". Glog dumb. Glog write repeal bad. What glog have against woman and minorities? :upyours: you glog! Jakuhai's vote: AGAINST. :B. That glog. Buckteeth.

Define Equality. Then define it differently. Then define it differently. That's the latitude you're allowed when you don't include a definition. In the resolution, asking what "equal" means is a way to demonstrate that any nation that wanted to circumnavigate the law can say "equal" means "not equal". They could even change dictionaries to reflect it.

Glog has nothing against women and minorities. He's actually for providing them with wider rights. The original resolution doesn't actually do that. It's like a shadow of a good resolution. It says alot, but does nothing. It's like when a politician of any nation stands up and promises to stop, end, or begin something and never does.

What you have to realize is that it's not as simple as repealing the current legislation. There is a replacement in the works. One that ACTUALLY does what this one claims to do.

This repeal has to pass or it'll all fall dead and discrimination will continue by going around the original resolution.

:upyours: you glog!
Glog MAD!!!

*Glog leaps three feet in the air, bounds across desktops, swings from light-fixtures and crosses the entire width of the General Assembly in a matter of seconds. Seizing the Ambassador from Jakuhai, he whoops loudly, drags him across the room to the nearest window...and throws him through it.*

That how Glog roll.

Glog Firemaker, son of Glog Crushdogskullwithrock
UN Ambassador

OOC: Note to all new players and old idiots: In order to hold a meaningful discussion, it is necessary to read THE WHOLE DISCUSSION. You don't walk into a physical discussion and just say, "NO! You're all wrong!" do you? If you do, you're a twit. No, you sit, and listen for a while until you get the gist.

BUT THAT'S NOT ALL!

Now, thanks to the internet, you can read what was said BEFORE you joined the discussion. You don't have to read EVERY post, but please, skim over them all. Hopefully that'd make you a more informed twit, as opposed to the standard variety.

It also doesn't work if you don't come back and elaborate your position or respond to a rebuttal or what have you.

Please, either participate, or don't.

IC: Wolfgang, Kyle, and IX hold up signs saying 9.7, 9.9, and 8.3, respectively, then applaud.

:rolleyes: Glog need look in dictionary. Glog need know big words like "better", and "equal". Glog dumb. Glog write repeal bad. What glog have against woman and minorities? :upyours: you glog! Jakuhai's vote: AGAINST. :B. That glog. Buckteeth.

*Zarquon reaches down for the red phone that is always beside his desk.*

Dr. Strangelove? Is the "device" ready? Good, I think I have a target. I will phone back shortly with coordinates.

Define Equality. Then define it differently. Then define it differently. That's the latitude you're allowed when you don't include a definition. In the resolution, asking what "equal" means is a way to demonstrate that any nation that wanted to circumnavigate the law can say "equal" means "not equal". They could even change dictionaries to reflect it.

Well, if you're going to take that route, then even defining words is utterly pointless because you could just say that words in the definitions themselves don't mean what they should. For that matter we should all just stop talking.
Especially you. Stop talking.

Glog MAD!!!

*Glog leaps three feet in the air, bounds across desktops, swings from light-fixtures and crosses the entire width of the General Assembly in a matter of seconds. Seizing the Ambassador from Jakuhai, he whoops loudly, drags him across the room to the nearest window...and throws him through it.*

That how Glog roll.

Glog Firemaker, son of Glog Crushdogskullwithrock
UN Ambassador

I don't care if that's "how you roll", killing another ambassador is never a good thing, especially when you want to create sympathy for your cause.

In lay mans terms, why should we pass a resolution written by someone who kills other ambassadors who oppose him?

I don't care if that's "how you roll", killing another ambassador is never a good thing, especially when you want to create sympathy for your cause.

In lay mans terms, why should we pass a resolution written by someone who kills other ambassadors who oppose him?

Unfortunately, the delegate probably isn't dead, as the nature of this building is such that things rarely happen as they should. So quit whining.

Besides, violence is more entertaining.

I don't care if that's "how you roll", killing another ambassador is never a good thing, especially when you want to create sympathy for your cause.

In lay mans terms, why should we pass a resolution written by someone who kills other ambassadors who oppose him?
There's one! Seize that individual, instantly!

*a horde of Robotic Destructor Bunnies™ swarm over the Ambassador from The-Thing. He is dragged, kicking and screaming, into the DEFENESTRATINATOR V.2 and then launched into the waiting Flibbleite dump truck.*

Felix Edmundovich Dzerzhinsky
Chairman, Yeldan Committee For State Security

The Wolf Guardians;13227270']Unfortunately, the delegate probably isn't dead, as the nature of this building is such that things rarely happen as they should. So quit whining.

Besides, violence is more entertaining.

Here here. Personally I would rather see members thrown out of windows by means of intense deliberations. Rather than have them slit their wrists whilst listening to a boring debate.

OOC: As far as I know, nobody has ever died as a result of being defenestrated in one of these debates. Felix did get eaten by a whale once though, after having defenestrated said whale.

Here here. Personally I would rather see members thrown out of windows by means of intense deliberations. Rather than have them slit their wrists whilst listening to a boring debate.

Booyah! Defenestrations! Robotic Destructor Bunnies! Throwing out of windows! I returned just in time!
*laughs enthusiastically, some might say maniacally. whips out red lightsaber*

In the words of Darth Sidious (a prophet in our country): aaaaaaAAAAAAAH!

*attacks the delegation from Cemetary Wastelands. sends them scurrying in fear. nearly whacks their collective arms off*

OOC: For those of you just tuning in, I'll give you a summary:

Idiot One: Who the hell rights like this? AGAINST!!!

Other Guy: Oh no, he meant to write it like that. If you read it, you'll notice it's very well written, but in caveman speak.

Idiot One: Oh, if it's not in proper English, it's inherently bad.

Other Guy: It's a step towards protecting people's rights, how is that inherently bad?

Idiot One: It's not in proper englich. That's why.

Other Guy: So you're going to allow discrimination to continue because you're an idiot?

Idiot One: I feel like you've known me all my life! Love me!

Other Guy: NO!

Idiot Two: Who the hell rights like that? AGAINST!

Rinse, lather, defenestrate, and repeat.

IC: Forget defenestration! I'm thinking some of these guys need some roundhouse kicks to the face, courtesy of the Church of Norris.

*prays*

so far 26 pages of posts.... 25 of those pages repeating the language issues, 1 actually looking into the crux of the issue... Douria's resume covers the gist of the 25 pages.... Wish the poo machines and defrenathingamajigger would shut some of the idiots up. We offer pleasant looking female warriors to massage Glog from his workout earlier when he got mad.

Education, to a point, DOES mean having achievements and skills in basic areas. If you cannot propagate your ideas efficiently and in a coherent manner, it means nothing, even if you have all the wisdoms of the world! The fact remains that Vista Buena support the essence and spirit of this repeal resolution, just not the language.

Propogating ideas efficiently is exactly what Glog has done. You are stuck upon form over substance. You are rejecting a person for not having the appropriate degree even if he has the appropriate skill. If you agree with the repeal in spirit, then support it and then write a properly structured law to prevent any vagueness from occuring.

1}Glog say law vague therefore bad therefore repeal.

2}You say law vague therefore bad therefore argue against Glog's methods of pointing it out to us.

3}You are engaging in nitpicking nonsense.

so far 26 pages of posts.... 25 of those pages repeating the language issues, 1 actually looking into the crux of the issue... Douria's resume covers the gist of the 25 pages.... Wish the poo machines and defrenathingamajigger would shut some of the idiots up. We offer pleasant looking female warriors to massage Glog from his workout earlier when he got mad.



My stenographer is getting increasingly tired of writing the same thing over and over again. Hmmmm, I have an idea. I think I'll pop over to ZIPP and see what we can come up with. * Zarquon starts to exit but trips over one of the patroling Robotic Destructor Bunnies™. After standing up and brushing himself off, he reaches down to pet the little thing which quickly tries to devour his hand. Luckily Zarquon withdrew the appendage before any harm was done.*

Fiesty little things aren't they? Come Sintar, Joebot™. We've work to do. I think I have a solution for all these fine specimens of "King's Enlgish."

so far 26 pages of posts.... 25 of those pages repeating the language issues, 1 actually looking into the crux of the issue... Douria's resume covers the gist of the 25 pages.... Wish the poo machines and defrenathingamajigger would shut some of the idiots up. We offer pleasant looking female warriors to massage Glog from his workout earlier when he got mad.



Propogating ideas efficiently is exactly what Glog has done. You are stuck upon form over substance. You are rejecting a person for not having the appropriate degree even if he has the appropriate skill. If you agree with the repeal in spirit, then support it and then write a properly structured law to prevent any vagueness from occuring.

1}Glog say law vague therefore bad therefore repeal.

2}You say law vague therefore bad therefore argue against Glog's methods of pointing it out to us.

3}You are engaging in nitpicking nonsense.

How are we being nit-picky by attempting to promote proper, diplomatic language usage in international laws? Our position has been propagated for many times already: we support the essence, not the language, and we are ready to introduce a properly written bill that matches Modern English language requirements. We have also seen the new RoMaW, and we support that.

But, you see, we ALREADY HAVE a resolution that does this: Resolution 99: Discrimination Accord. ... Basically, we already have a good resolution protecting rights of minorities and women.As wonderful as UNR#99 is, it addresses only those forms of discrimination perpetrated by governments. So, no, it doesn't provide full protection of rights for minorities and women.

Leetha watches as another delegation is loaded into the Defenestratinator and the device activated.

Excellent form, Felix!

--L.T.

How are we being nit-picky by attempting to promote proper, diplomatic language usage in international laws? Our position has been propagated for many times already: we support the essence, not the language, and we are ready to introduce a properly written bill that matches Modern English language requirements. We have also seen the new RoMaW, and we support that.

*pauses while waving lightsaber*

Dr. Kittleson, what right have you to determine the proper English standards of this body? Besides, you're not just trying to 'promote' your standards. Promotion would be, oh, sending telegrams or launching ad campaigns, or perhaps hiring a trio of singers. You are actively blocking a perfectly good resolution, one which you actually agree with, just because you have quibbles about the dialect. Bosh.
That, my good individual, is how you are being nit-picky. If you wish further clarification, go back and read my last post to you. the one about democracy.
Ta-ta.

Leetha watches as another delegation is loaded into the Defenestratinator and the device activated.

Excellent form, Felix!

--L.T.

Yes, quite! Good show! Encore! Encore!

The Wolf Guardians;13227112']IC: Wolfgang, Kyle, and IX hold up signs saying 9.7, 9.9, and 8.3, respectively, then applaud.*Timothy Schmidt holds up a sign reading 4.2,*

I don't care if that's "how you roll", killing another ambassador is never a good thing, especially when you want to create sympathy for your cause.

In lay mans terms, why should we pass a resolution written by someone who kills other ambassadors who oppose him?OOC: Usually this is where I'd link to the UN Building Directory over on NSWiki to point out that the General Assembly is located on the bottom floors of the UN building. Unfortunatly the wiki is still down due to complications with the hosting change, so you'll just have to trust me when I say that the General Assembly is located on the bottom four floors (not counting the basements) of the building.

OOC: Usually this is where I'd link to the UN Building Directory over on NSWiki to point out that the General Assembly is located on the bottom floors of the UN building. Unfortunatly the wiki is still down due to complications with the hosting change, so you'll just have to trust me when I say that the General Assembly is located on the bottom four floors (not counting the basements) of the building.

OOC: See, nothing a short stay in the infirmary wouldn't take care of. Silly, silly delegates. *starts throwing random non-regulars out the window*

My fellow delegates, would it not be a simple matter to assuade the concerns of those nations that have sought to repeal this resolution, by drafting a resolution as an amendment to the Resolution. One which clarifies the meaning of these terms to eliminate any dobt for those who may have it.
I do not think it is appropriate to simply repeal a resolution that provides benefits to our people. We all know that there will be those in our communities who will take advantage of that situation, since it is likely that a replacement resolution will take some time to come up for voting by this auspicious body.
We would humbly submit that this would be a much sensibler course of action to take.
We shall therefore be voting NO to this repeal.



Now, which way is the bar?

OOC: Ok, pay attention, class.

AMENDMENTS = ILLEGAL.

Dismissed.

The Wolf Guardians;13227854']OOC: Ok, pay attention, class.

AMENDMENTS = ILLEGAL.

Dismissed.

*throws lightsaber away out of disgust.*

haven't we already gone over this about fifty million times already? :headbang:

oy. I need a drink. Everyone needs a drink, at this point. I move we adjourn to the nearest dispenser of hard liquids. I'll buy. Cheers.

Votes For: 5,008
Votes Against: 4,165

as of midnight.

Greetings Nations,

Three Observations:

1) The funny thing about many (if not most) who join the UN on this forum is that they prefer to take the game even less seriously than more seriously. Furthermore, they would rather stick to their own persona than actually treat NS as it is- a simulation of real life politics and social issues. While I understand it is a role-playing game and all, I also have enough sense to recognize that, within that dynamic most individuals are playing it as a serious interpretation of what they believe to be the way countries and civilizations should be run.

2) The pathetic thing is, while this vote seemed to contradict every rational idea of what a proposal for repeal can and should be, the only reason it won is because many uninformed nations "just clicked yes," as they do for pretty much any proposal (see prior logs of various-and ridiculous- legislation). Indeed, many have thought this Act is to extend civil liberties (see prior pages of this thread)! LOL.. This is both saddening and hopeful at the same time. Sad because if an individual does join and participate in the UN they should be more than a casual NS gamer. Hopeful because now that this has passed I can go ahead and propose a repeal to this very Act and it would most likely be voted in as law (if someone doesn't draw it up before I can)!

3) My last observation is about the Act in particular. I understood the arguments on both sides, however I have the knowledge, determination and foresight to know that this Act will do more to harm civil liberties than help. If in fact you can get past all the "caveman comedy" (and the author's role-playing-comes-first mentality), and you view it as truly being about a prior piece of badly-written legislation (see: irony), then the obvious option should be to further propose an amendment of that bill that both envelopes and extends those civil rights, not to strike it out of existence! This proposal will undoubtedly go down in NS history as one deserving of a Darwin Award (see again: irony).


p.s. To GLOG- I didn't respond to your comments to my last bulletin because it was merely a straw-man argument. Not only did it divert attention once again from my points, it was also laced with profanity and I could not take it as a serious rebuff. Thank you.

-The Allied States of Cemetary Wastelands
Bubbles End NationStates UN Delegate

How are we being nit-picky by attempting to promote proper, diplomatic language usage in international laws? Our position has been propagated for many times already: we support the essence, not the language, and we are ready to introduce a properly written bill that matches Modern English language requirements. We have also seen the new RoMaW, and we support that.

If we have a perfectly good repeal here already, why wait? Let's just vote the thing in now, and then we can vote the replacement in for RoMaW that much faster. It makes no sense to vote this repeal down, wait for a linguistically "prettier" repeal to pass (assuming it even would pass), and then vote in the replacement for RoMaW. The longer we wait, the more time we waste, RoMaW will continue to fester in the legislative ledger like the rotting corpse that it is, and thus the longer that the rights of minorities and women will be unprotected. We can fix all that now, rather than waiting.

Jaris Krytellin, Ambassador Emeritus

<UBERSNIP>
1. This is a game. Not a simulation. It started as an ad stunt by Max, our lord and master. It ballooned into this wonderfully evil monstrosity that we all know and love today. But, it's NOT a simulation.

2. About clicking yes, you might be right. I call those people the ReadNothings. Too bad. There are 20,000 nations in the UN and we can't force them all to read it. And, wait. You still seem to have this repeal confused with new legislation. And, you seem to imply that you wish to... repeal... the repeal... which is impossible, not to even mention quite silly.

3. We could do whatever we want, and it would have no severely detrimental effects on the world. If some crazy nation wants to remove all minority rights (which they could have done before), then tough titty on their citizens. They can all move to the Great Commonwealth, where it's nice. If cold. And, there truly aren't any actionable clauses in the resolution. It's a statement of purpose without any method. If we remove it, we can add, GUESS WHAT? A statement of purpose AND a method! Yay! Functionality!

P.S. You're a silly person who needs to loosen up.

1) Yes this is a game. Everyone shapes their "civilization" the way they imagine it to be. Dont you want to recognise the fact that -perhaps- there's a slight majority here who dont want equal human rights?

Note: I'm voting against.

2) You under-estimate most NS players. They aint so dumb as to just vote "yes, yes, and yes again" every time. Hasnt it occasionally struck you that they might actually be READING what they're voting about?

3) Claiming you have "The" knowledge and foresight is a bit too much (not to mention how arrogant it sounds). Usually i prefer to rely on my intuition, and now it tells me that this time you're right: this Act will do more harm than good, regardless of its good intentions (pedanty is annoying though, if every UN legislation had to be as pedantic as Glog proposes, every Act would be at least 10 pages long and THEN noone would read them indeed).

All said, i vote AGAINST.

And i agree that there should've been an Ammendment proposed instead of a Repeal. But of course its far more difficult to do smth creative and provide a constructive argument. Its much easier to just repeal something you dont like, instead of trying to fix it!
/end of sarcasm

(I wont put a pompous signature as most of you do here;)


Ps. DID it win?? Then why am i still allowed to vote?

Wow, you really haven't been paying attention. Let's recap:

2) The pathetic thing is, while this vote seemed to contradict every rational idea of what a proposal for repeal can and should be, the only reason it won is because many uninformed nations "just clicked yes," as they do for pretty much any proposal (see prior logs of various-and ridiculous- legislation). Indeed, many have thought this Act is to extend civil liberties (see prior pages of this thread)! LOL.. This is both saddening and hopeful at the same time. Sad because if an individual does join and participate in the UN they should be more than a casual NS gamer. Hopeful because now that this has passed I can go ahead and propose a repeal to this very Act and it would most likely be voted in as law (if someone doesn't draw it up before I can)!

The repeal hasn't passed yet, though I really hope that it does. One could also argue very easily that there are a lot of uninformed nations "just clicking no". This is also not an "Act", it's a repeal. Do you understand the difference? This repeal enacts nothing, it strikes down something previously enacted. And I'm not sure what you mean by "proposing a repeal to this very Act". Are you planning to try to repeal a repeal? *eyeroll*

3) My last observation is about the Act in particular. I understood the arguments on both sides, however I have the knowledge, determination and foresight to know that this Act will do more to harm civil liberties than help. If in fact you can get past all the "caveman comedy" (and the author's role-playing-comes-first mentality), and you view it as truly being about a prior piece of badly-written legislation (see: irony), then the obvious option should be to further propose an amendment of that bill that both envelopes and extends those civil rights, not to strike it out of existence! This proposal will undoubtedly go down in NS history as one deserving of a Darwin Award (see again: irony).

Yet again...let me make it bold and colorful so even people whose reading material consists of childrens' books can comprehend it: YOU CANNOT AMEND ANYTHING HERE. YOU HAVE TO REPEAL THE OLD LEGISLATION AND PROPOSE NEW LEGISLATION. THOSE ARE THE RULES. And you think the supporters of this repeal are the ones who deserve the Darwin Award? Now that's ironic. You claim to have "understood the arguments on both sides", yet you plainly don't understand that a repeal does not enact new legislation, or that legislation cannot be amended. See why I'm a bit cynical about how much you really understood the debate?

Jaris Krytellin, Ambassador Emeritus

Edit: The Snake Brotherhood, you could also stand to read this post a bit.

Well, of course it's clear what this bill was originally supposed to support, but it has to be rewritten, because it's possible to ignore it through nitpicking. And Like we pointed out before, it's easier to write this bill again, then it would be to create a separate bill to define all those words. And in the long run, it will still be pointless, because it's impossible to finitively define enything.
We've actually had several thousand criminals who tried to bypass laws through this. Of course, we threw them straight into death row, but in international laws, this isn't possible, unfortunately. I mean, define murder for example: Stopping the biological functioning of a living human. "Define living human"...this can technically keep on going if we actually didn't have the right to people without proper trial.

Three Observations:Probably ooc: If you didn't display such a pathetic understanding of the rules governing the NSUN, I'd be more concerned. But let's do look at a couple of things.
The pathetic thing is, while this vote seemed to contradict every rational idea of what a proposal for repeal can and should be, the only reason it wonHold on there, Skip. The resolution is still at vote. It hasn't won yet, though given the current vote, it is likely to win. Still. It's too early for a post-mortem. is because many uninformed nations "just clicked yes," as they do for pretty much any proposal Or clicked "no". Irrational and uninformed voting, as clearly demonstrated in this debate turns up on the opposition side as readily as it does the affirmative.(see prior logs of various-and ridiculous- legislation)And the legislation that has been voted down over the years means what? Indeed, many have thought this Act is to extend civil liberties (see prior pages of this thread)!If you're speaking of supporters of this repeal, you're sadly misinformed, as the supporters are quite well aware that this is a repeal. Its only function is to remove the legislation being repealed. Hopeful because now that this has passed I can go ahead and propose a repeal to this very ActNo, you can't. Repeals can't be repealed. I'd suggest a strong cup of shut-the-hell-up and some extensive time spent with the rules.My last observation is about the Act in particular. I understood the arguments on both sidesGiven your other comments, that's doubtful.the obvious option should be to further propose an amendment of that bill that both envelopes and extends those civil rights, not to strike it out of existence! Now about that time you should spend with the rules. You've personally been told before and surely you've seen others told as well, one cannot amend any existing legislation. Period. It can't be done for game code reasons.This proposal will undoubtedly go down in NS history as one deserving of a Darwin Award You don't seem to understand the rules surrounding Darwin Awards either. Now that's ironic.

...And I see the Altanari type faster than I do. Ah well.

The vote can't end soon enough. This thread is one of the three most painful I've ever read here.

...And I see the Altanari type faster than I do. Ah well.

It's all in a good cause though....maybe if we just keep hammering these points home into certain rather thick skulls around here, something will stick...

Yeah, I know....wishful thought.

*Suddenly, the air is filled with the stirring (or bombastic, you decide) Anthem Of The People's Democratic Republic of Yelda, as performed by the Male Voice Choir Of The Yeldan Worker's Party.*

*The doors of the General Assembly burst open and Felix Dzerzhinsky, Chairman of the Yeldan Committee For State Security, rides down the main aisle on horseback. He is followed by a group of CSS agents dressed, inexplicably, as old west gunfighters, a squadron of Robotic Destructor Bunnies™ mounted on miniature ponies, and a delegation from the People's Select Committee For The Advancement Of Durable Goods Production And The Furtherment Of Research Into Durable Goods Manufacturing Technologies, carrying large Yeldan flags.*

*The Bunnies dismount and begin to ready the DEFENESTRATINATOR V.2 for action. Felix rides up to the rostrum, climbs down from his steed, and addresses the assembly.*

Comrades, fellow diplomats and those about to be defenestrated! I have been called before you tonight to rid the General Assembly of subversive elements who seek to derail civilized debate and disrupt the general decorum of this body. They have undertaken to destabilize the workings of the United Nations and impede the progress of the much-needed repeal legislation we have before us.

These hooligans have attempted to bring this, the world's legislative body, to its knees. They hate democracy and I will call them what they are...terrorists!

Comrades! We must act quickly to eradicate this menace to public order and decency. I enjoin you to help round up these cretins. If you know of anyone who has spoken against the repeal, report them to myself, one of the Comrade Bunnies or one of the helpful and friendly CSS agents who are now moving amongst you.

So, we proceed. I have before me a list of the delegations who have terrorized this assembly over the past days. I also have a set of coordinates (graciously provided by the Flibbleite Delegation) for a suitable target at which to aim the DEFENESTRATINATOR V.2.

The entire staffs of the following delegations are to be defenestrated at once!

Blue Booted Bobbies
Damanucus
Medicated Children
Mashusa
Pasokara
Schiessenwald
New Hamilton
Stavenburgia
Logopia
Shivydom
Perpetuating Liberty
Chiarizio
The-Thing
Garchyland
Chernobyl Power Plant
Gobbannium
Piedmont57769
Ki Baratan
NAIM People
Vista Buena
The Self Willed
Fennijer
Germonic
Crapooza
United Dependencies
Punckeds
[NS:::::]Renesslaer
Cemetary Wastelands
St Edmundan Antarctic
Chataimer
United_Deception
Jastreb
Inspinor
Yshurak

Now, let us begin with the delegation from Vista Buena!

*The Destructor Bunny (a particularly nasty one) in command of the DEFENESTRATINATOR pushes a button, pulls some levers, turns a knob, then stomps a pedal. The horrid machine roars to life with a grinding of gears and a cloud of steam and coal fumes.*

*The Vista Buena delegation is loaded into the DEFENESTRATINATOR V.2 and launched downrange into the dump truck full of chocobo manure prepositioned by the Flibbleites.*

Splendid!

Felix Edmundovich Dzerzhinsky
Chairman, Yeldan Committee For State Security

Most of the marines guarding Dr Sweynsson raise their dart-rifles and aim these at the human-seeming members of Felix's party, while their commanding officer quietly murmurs some orders into a microphone that's attached to his collar. Shortly afterwards, a number of other St Edmundan marines enter the chamber: Their armaments include dart-rifles, conventional firearms, and some wide-barrelled handguns of a futuristic-looking design*.
Dr Sweynsson quickly writes a note, and passes this to the marines' officer who then sends one of his men out of the room with this message.

________________________________________________________________

*OOC: Experimental EMP-projection guns... Don't assume that because we can't sedate the Robot Destructor Bunnies chemically we'd be totally helpless against them...

Approximately two hundred blue-uniformed and blue-skinned Guardsmen -- carrying an assortment of "Post-Modern-Tech" weapons -- now enter the General Assembly, using all of its doorways, and take up positions against its walls. Their commanding officer raises a megaphone to his lips, so that he can be heard over the confusion.

"MY UNIT HAS JUST TAKEN ON A CONTRACT TO MAINTAIN ORDER WITHIN THIS ROOM FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS DEBATE, AND FOR A SHORT WHILE AFTER ITS CONCLUSION. ANYBODY ELSE WHO ATTEMPTS TO USE VIOLENCE AGAINST ANYBODY HERE DURING THIS TIME WILL BE RENDERED INCAPABLE OF DOING SO.
NOW, YOU MAY CONTINUE POLITELY WITH YOUR DISCUSSION."


_________________________________________________________________

OOC: If certain people here really want a firefight then they can have one, unless somebody godmodes the situation, but can't we try to keep things reasonably civil here?

mmmhmmm, damn right...

The Wolf Guardians;13227978']1. This is a game. Not a simulation. It started as an ad stunt by Max, our lord and master. It ballooned into this wonderfully evil monstrosity that we all know and love today. But, it's NOT a simulation.


OOC: I agree that the NSUN, and for that matter NS itself, isn't a decent simulation. But this isn't really as far removed from reality as it seems. RL politics can be silly to the point of absurd. Politicians are known for "mud-slinging". In NS, we throw "real" mud (and poo, rocks, and people).

IC: Throws mud, poo, rocks, and stray people at random opponents of repeal.

IC: Throws mud, poo, rocks, and stray people at random opponents of repeal.

One of the Guardsmen fires a shot from his stun-gun at the Yaborrian ambassador: This should be enough to render that person unconscious for several hours...

i'm for it. yea! and i hereby decree anybody against it shall receive an "accidently" fired sniper bullet through the face. or just a big club to the face, if glog would prefer

Several of the Guardsmen aim their stun-guns at the delegation from Waffle Warriors, and are clearly ready to fire if those people make any attempt at carrying out their ambassador's threats of violence.

The vote can't end soon enough. This thread is one of the three most painful I've ever read here.

OOC: And that takes some doing.

Approximately two hundred blue-uniformed and blue-skinned Guardsmen -- carrying an assortment of "Post-Modern-Tech" weapons -- now enter the General Assembly, using all of its doorways, and take up positions against its walls. Their commanding officer raises a megaphone to his lips, so that he can be heard over the confusion.
<Snipped the megaphone shouting>
Without conscious involvement Anravelle’s implants responded to her alarm; a shield rippling out around her body and system icons for various defensive weapons unfolding in her mind. Almost instantly, images of all possible aggressors were stored in her additional memory and tactical extrapolations for incapacitating them started to run.

“Don’t you think this is a bit much?” she thought.

“What do you mean?” responded her implants curiously.

“I don’t think I’m planning on attacking anybody so why do I need all of this?”

“Well,” the implants faltered. “You panicked and you did vote against this so we thought that eventually the Lesser delegate over there would remember you did and try to use their primitive weaponry on you.”

“But they’re not attacking me yet are they?”

“No... but”

“And running simulations for stunning the destructor bunnies and the guards here to protect us is a little excessive, isn’t it?”

“Yes...but”

“Turn them all off this instant,” she demanded mentally.

“Miss Anravelle, please? We’re bored!” the implants pleaded.

“Excuse me? You turned on weapons because you’re bored?” she screamed.

“It just gets boring being your auto-wakeup, storing all your I-net preferences, playing your music, making your daily neurocalls, displaying your books, making your fantasies feel physically rea—“

“Okay, okay. I get your point. Fine! Five minutes but you are to ask next time. Understood?”

“Yes Miss,” they chimed submissively as they started calculating whether to use Anravelle fist or foot to kick Felix in the spot identified as having “maximum incapacity potential and maximum vulnerability”. Anravelle couldn’t help noticeably laughing at that image as she directed her attention to everything around her once more.

*throws lightsaber away out of disgust.*

haven't we already gone over this about fifty million times already? :headbang:

oy. I need a drink. Everyone needs a drink, at this point. I move we adjourn to the nearest dispenser of hard liquids. I'll buy. Cheers.

Lets find Glog and the others who see reason, we'll all have a drink together!

Approximately two hundred blue-uniformed and blue-skinned Guardsmen -- carrying an assortment of "Post-Modern-Tech" weapons -- now enter the General Assembly, using all of its doorways, and take up positions against its walls. Their commanding officer raises a megaphone to his lips, so that he can be heard over the confusion.

"MY UNIT HAS JUST TAKEN ON A CONTRACT TO MAINTAIN ORDER WITHIN THIS ROOM FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS DEBATE, AND FOR A SHORT WHILE AFTER ITS CONCLUSION. ANYBODY ELSE WHO ATTEMPTS TO USE VIOLENCE AGAINST ANYBODY HERE DURING THIS TIME WILL BE RENDERED INCAPABLE OF DOING SO.
NOW, YOU MAY CONTINUE POLITELY WITH YOUR DISCUSSION."


_________________________________________________________________

OOC: If certain people here really want a firefight then they can have one, unless somebody godmodes the situation, but can't we try to keep things reasonably civil here?

Oh look, now they are trying to intimidate us reasonable folk by protecting the clowns... I'm buying the next round of drinks as we ignore the blue smurfs. Oh incidently, my government is offering free shots to any who support Glog or who want to continue throwing out clowns. These shots make you immune to non-lethal weapons like the ones carried by the blue smurfs. Wonder how they got past ALL the other diplomat's security including my own? Did those smurfs seduce ALL the other guards?

The vote can't end soon enough. This thread is one of the three most painful I've ever read here.
You're welcome to use the DEFENESTRATINATOR if you like. Not that it helps much, they just keep coming back sillier than before.

<snip>...the only reason it won is because many uninformed nations "just clicked yes," as they do for pretty much any proposal (see prior logs of various-and ridiculous- legislation).
As someone who had a proposal fail I resent that. Of course the reason it failed was still due to 'read-nothings' who jump to conclusions. :rolleyes:

1)Hasnt it occasionally struck you that they might actually be READING what they're voting about?

And i agree that there should've been an Ammendment proposed instead of a Repeal. But of course its far more difficult to do smth creative and provide a constructive argument. Its much easier to just repeal something you dont like, instead of trying to fix it!
/end of sarcasm

(I wont put a pompous signature as most of you do here;)

1. Nope. Read? What an odd idea! At least further than the title.
2. UN Rule Book No Have Amendments (with 2 ms). Not have ammendments either. I think this said many time.
...but then I suppose I should give up hoping people READ things shouldn't I? I mean READING what's been said before in a debate is usually quite useful before jumping into a debate.
3. ooc: 'pompous signatures'? Who got your knickers in a twist?

The vote can't end soon enough. This thread is one of the three most painful I've ever read here.

ooc: I wasn't kidding about needing painkillers in my last message. It really did give me a headache.

Douria forgot the other main category in the debate (noting a small minority exists who don't fall in either, like St.E. but that's tiny):

Read-Nothin': Minorities & Women are GOOD!
Debater: So vote for the repeal!
Read-Nothin': You repeal it! You BAD! M&W's Rights GOOD!
Debater: RoM&W does nothing!
Read-Nothin': M&W's Right's GOOD! Don't repeal/Amend it/Replace it!
Debater:... / No can do. / We're friggin' doing it already!

OOC: I agree that the NSUN, and for that matter NS itself, isn't a decent simulation.

OOC: That's because it's not meant to be a realistic simulation, it's a satire whose original purpose is to sell a book.

*The door to the UN chamber swung violently open as thirty members of the Emperial Guard stormed into the assembly pinning down all members along the aisle to there desks shouting, "Resistance is useless!" Out of the bright light emitting for the now open doors appears a rather large body of Guards. They had formed square around Zarquon, his aide Sintar Maxem and Joebot™. As they marched down the aisle, the soldiers who were subduing ambassadors would promptly stand to attention to salute their leader and immediately go back to interrogating their victims as to wheather or not they moved when they told them not to.

The body finally reached Zarquon's desk, opened the square so the delegation could leave it, and marched back out of the building leave five Guards behind for Zarquon's safety. Zarquon had been carrying a briefcase the whole time, which was highly unusual for him as he was animate that they made his robes look big.*

My fellow members. As I left yesterday, I did with a promise that I would return with a solution to all the users of "king's english." I popped over to the Zarquonian Institute of Perpetual Physics, and have for you this day the solution.

*opening the suitcase he pulls out a highly sophisticated looking bazooka-like object complete with scope. The only thing distinguishing it form a bazooka was the fact that it had at the point where a bazooka round would normally exit, a large opened mouth complete with teeth and tounge.*

This is what the Froods back at the lab call the Language Eradicator 9000™. You see, all you have to do is say the name of the language you wish to use into the speaker on the user end let's say for example "Gloggian", point at who you want to speak it, and simply pull the trigger. Allow me to demonstrate.

*Zarquon pointed the device at Dr. Kittleson of Vista Buena and pulled the trigger. Kittleson then began spouting a series of obsenities before subcoming to phrases like, "Zarquon go to far. Me smash Zarquon head. That not right, me no speak like this. What Zarquon do to me. I be perfect specimen of the universal language throughout the world. Why am I talking like a Neanderthal?*

You see, it DOES work. Albeit temporarily, but you get the idea. Oh, and I keep hearing talk about people voting this repeal down in favor of ammending. We've had this discussion how many times? Can't be done. Can't repeal a repeal, nope got to live with it.

OOC: Shouldn't that be Eradicator? XD

*OOC: Experimental EMP-projection guns... Don't assume that because we can't sedate the Robot Destructor Bunnies chemically we'd be totally helpless against them...
OOC: Felix made his announcement that "The entire staffs of the following delegations are to be defenestrated at once" at 6:04 PM last night. I think it's safe to assume that given the manpower (and bunnypower) at his disposal, your delegation has already been defenestrated. I've never RPed each individual defenestration and don't intend to start now. Suffice to say that in the future, if your delegation ends up on one of these lists I will make it a point to RP that particular defenestration. As a professional courtesy, of course.
OOC: If certain people here really want a firefight then they can have one, unless somebody godmodes the situation, but can't we try to keep things reasonably civil here?
OOC: Did you miss the part about the "group of CSS agents dressed, inexplicably, as old west gunfighters"? Them's real pistols them boys is a packin'. I doubt they would have allowed your Blue UN Guards to enter the building. Nice try though.

The Wolf Guardians;13228527']OOC: Shouldn't that be Eradicator? XD

OOC: I can't be bothered with spell checking, there's people to do utterly silly things to. :gundge:

With Mother Cargaminh presumably joining in the defenstrations with gusto, Ambassador Shandreth was left to his own devices. With General Grakh, who was completely sloshed as usual, asleep under the desk, the elderly statesman was getting a little uneasy with all the screaming.

He had seen, in just the past few days, a zombified Russian cowboy and his horde of mechanical rabbits launch hundreds of people out windows, a caveman in a deerskin businesssuit fling poo at the screaming opponents of his legislation, as well as an elderly man lose conciousness when attacked by a ruler-wielding nun. Talking wolf-men were shouting about this and that, a radical suicide-bombing ambassador physically assaulted and defenstrated a retired statesman, and a man in a penguin suit ordered mercenaries to fire tranquilizer darts into a crowd of people.

At this point, he realized, there was no coherent order to the debate. Delegates (and delegations) were bumrushing the podium, the Secretariat had apparently abandoned (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13228000&postcount=400) the floor, and thousands of demonic bunnies were lifting people onto their backs like ants, loading them like human bullets into the hideous DEFENESTRATINATOR and launching them at the windows, with varying success at actually getting them through the aperture. The Altanaris were screaming at the top of their lungs, the Rubinans looked like they were about to snap, and Glog was swinging from a chandelier that had mysteriously appeared hanging from the ceiling.

Rising slowly to his feet, Shandreth took one step, then another, and slowly walked to the back entrance of the General Assembly, opening the door and leaving the debate. Muttering something about "the stench of whalemeat and caveman shit" he made his way to the Stranger's Bar, and ordered himself the stiffest drink he could imagine.

With Mother Cargaminh presumably joining in the defenstrations with gusto, Ambassador Shandreth was left to his own devices. With General Grakh, who was completely sloshed as usual, asleep under the desk, the elderly statesman was getting a little uneasy with all the screaming.

He had seen, in just the past few days, a zombified Russian cowboy and his horde of mechanical rabbits launch hundreds of people out windows, a caveman in a deerskin businesssuit fling poo at the screaming opponents of his legislation, as well as an elderly man lose conciousness when attacked by a ruler-wielding nun. Talking wolf-men were shouting about this and that, a radical suicide-bombing ambassador physically assaulted and defenstrated a retired statesman, and a man in a penguin suit ordered mercenaries to fire tranquilizer darts into a crowd of people.

At this point, he realized, there was no coherent order to the debate. Delegates (and delegations) were bumrushing the podium, the Secretariat had apparently abandoned (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13228000&postcount=400) the floor, and thousands of demonic bunnies were lifting people onto their backs like ants, loading them like human bullets into the hideous DEFENESTRATINATOR and launching them at the windows, with varying success at actually getting them through the aperture. The Altanaris were screaming at the top of their lungs, the Rubinans looked like they were about to snap, and Glog was swinging from a chandelier that had mysteriously appeared hanging from the ceiling.

Rising slowly to his feet, Shandreth took one step, then another, and slowly walked to the back entrance of the General Assembly, opening the door and leaving the debate. Muttering something about "the stench of whalemeat and caveman shit" he made his way to the Stranger's Bar, and ordered himself the stiffest drink he could imagine.

*returns from Stranger's Bar, having bought drinks for everyone within a five-block radius, and imbibed more than a few himself*
hic...y' fergot lightsaber...hic...ev'ry one likes lightshabers...hic....cocoa puffs!
*passes out*

OOC: Felix made his announcement that "The entire staffs of the following delegations are to be defenestrated at once" at 6:04 PM last night. I think it's safe to assume that given the manpower (and bunnypower) at his disposal, your delegation has already been defenestrated.

OOC: Did it occur to you that some of us have to spend part of our lives offline? Or is the assumption that if you happen to be online when somebody else isn't then you can godmode what happens to their characters?

OOC: Did you miss the part about the "group of CSS agents dressed, inexplicably, as old west gunfighters"? Them's real pistols them boys is a packin'. I doubt they would have allowed your Blue UN Guards to enter the building. Nice try though.
Did you miss the part about the Guards using all of the room's entrances? Considering the number of ambassadors entitled to vote here, and the sheer sizes of some of them (Remember the dinosaur -- not the velociraptor, the other & much larger one -- and the whale?), could that group of agents really have blocked every squad of Guards successfully? For that matter, wouldn't at least some of them almost certainly have been tranked by those of the St Edmundan marines who were already present when Felix made his threats, if & when any of his followers tried to defenstrate Alfred, thus reducing their capability to respond to this later arrival? And what makes you think that the Blue Guards, once under fire from "real pistols", wouldn't have switched over to using lethal weaponry themslves? Looks like a rather messy gunfight might actually have happened after all...

*returns from Stranger's Bar, having bought drinks for everyone within a five-block radius, and imbibed more than a few himself*
hic...y' fergot lightsaber...hic...ev'ry one likes lightshabers...hic....cocoa puffs!
*passes out*
*Glog picks up the lightsaber*

What this? Some kind of stick?

*He bangs the lightsaber on a nearby desk, sniffs it, looks into the "business end", turns it over in his hand a couple of times.*

Not do anything. Too short to fight with. Maybe tool. Glog not know.

*He fiddles with it some more, then accidently presses the "on" button.....*

WAAAAA!!!!! Firestick!

*Glog tosses the lightsaber into the air, trying to get rid of it. Instead, it comes straight back down and lands atop his head, the handle becoming entangled in his matted mass of hair. Glog shrieks and hoots, running around the General Assembly in a panic as he tries to rid himself of the damnable "firestick".

Firestick have Glog! Firestick BAD!!!

*The lightsaber swinging in all directions, he charges through the ranks of Blue UN Guards, sending them scurrying.*

Help! Save Glog! Glog burn up!

*He charges outside the building, igniting several trees and shrubs as he passes. A huge explosion is heard as the passing lightsaber ignites the fuel tank of a large blue troop transport. He reenters the building.*

WAAAAAAA!!!!!

*Running down the main aisle, he leaps over several panicked diplomats, clearing them in full stride. In the process, the lightsaber dislodges itself and falls to the ground with a clatter. The device (luckily) turns itself off. Glog continues on his way, never slowing down, and again exits the building.

OOC: There. someone mentioned the lightsaber. Heh.

Did you miss the part about the Guards using all of the room's entrances? Considering the number of ambassadors entitled to vote here, and the sheer sizes of some of them (Remember the dinosaur -- not the velociraptor, the other & much larger one -- and the whale?), could that group of agents really have blocked every squad of Guards successfully? For that matter, wouldn't at least some of them almost certainly have been tranked by those of the St Edmundan marines who were already present when Felix made his threats, if & when any of his followers tried to defenstrate Alfred, thus reducing their capability to respond to this later arrival? And what makes you think that the Blue Guards, once under fire from "real pistols", wouldn't have switched over to using lethal weaponry themslves? Looks like a rather messy gunfight might actually have happened after all...Ed guy make Blue Guard puppet. Ed guy BAD!! Ed guy puppetwank with Blue puppet. Rules say puppetwank bad form in roleplay. Puppetwank BAD!!!

:rolleyes:

Most. Ridiculous. Legislation. Ev4r.

You mean Resolution #80? Yup. Terrible. Good thing it's gone now. :D

Most. Ridiculous. Legislation. Ev4r.Agreed. And the caveman speak isn't funny. :eek:

Ed guy make Blue Guard puppet. Ed guy BAD!! Ed guy puppetwank with Blue puppet. Rules say puppetwank bad form in roleplay. Puppetwank BAD!!!

:rolleyes:

OOC: Oh really? So how come you didn't make a complaint about 'puppetwank' when Felix arrived to support Glog's proposal? After all, don't they have the same player as each other too? What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander...

OOC: Good lord, come off it! Can you not take a simple fucking joke about being thrown out a window without getting all pissy and puppetwanky? For the love of god, get over it. At least Glog and Iron Felix are funny puppets.

Can we please let this topic die? I'm praying for the moment OP requests a lock, so we never have to look at this shit again.

OOC: Oh really? So how come you didn't make a complaint about 'puppetwank' when Felix arrived to support Glog's proposal? After all, don't they have the same player as each other too? What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander...Not really all that concerned about the debate, because it's all rather silly ... I was more referring to using both puppets to invade the General Assembly with military forces. Glog/Felix never did such a thing.

Agreed with Snef. Let this shit die.

OOC: Good lord, come off it! Can you not take a simple fucking joke about being thrown out a window without getting all pissy and puppetwanky? For the love of god, get over it. At least Glog and Iron Felix are funny puppets.

Can we please let this topic die? I'm praying for the moment OP requests a lock, so we never have to look at this shit again.


At this very moment, I'm having my aide Sintar burn the minutes of this debate. May we never speak of this again.

Congratulations Glog, this has to be the closest vote I have ever witnessed.

Indeed, congratulations to Glog for authoring this repeal, and thanks to everyone who voted for it. Now, maybe we can get something that works passed as a replacement to the late (and assuredly unlamented) RoMaW. And perhaps the grammar fascists can go find something new to do as a hobby, like spellchecking dictionaries or correcting encyclopedias in red felt-tipped pen or whatever else they do.

Jaris Krytellin, Ambassador Emeritus

We congratulate the distinguished repre... uh... the esteemed ambassa... er... G l o g on the passage of this worthwhile repeal.

Balthasar H. von Aschenbach
Prime Minister

a toast! to Glog! and Zarquon! and Iron Felix! and each and every one of the Robotic Destructor Bunnies! and the delegates! all of them! and me! and Glog again! and....
*passes out again*

The Successful Experiment of Plutoni will no longer participate in the United Nations' corrupt, hollow debates.

Despite the effort of several enthusiastic grammarians, I remain unsure as to whether the adjectives "corrupt" and "hollow" are meant to specify a subclass of debates, or refer to all of them as a whole.

-Retired Delegate Raymond Gardner

Happy trails... Can you find the exit on your own, or do you require Felix to help you out the window?


Yelda's amazing winning streak continues ... 13 proposals to quorum, not one voted down. In celebration, the Kennyites have bestowed upon Glog an honor (http://z11.invisionfree.com/Antarctic_Oasis/index.php?showtopic=665&view=findpost&p=7116387) shared only by Susan Lucci (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9882077&postcount=193). Hooray for Glog!!

Vista Buena mourns the death of common sense, along with standard modern English and proper diplomatic language with the passage of this bill. This is a slippery slope that will lead the world into the darkness of language barbarism and loss of culture.

We have agreed, all along, that the spirit and essence of this resolution should be applauded, and that we should fully support it. However, our government, as well as our people, find the "Language" that is used to write this bill repugnant and repulsive, and totally incompatible with modern, proper English, as touted and required by our nation's State Ministry of Eduction for our nation's student.

We have asked, time and again, that the UN not accept this resolution as it is, and draft a new resolution in proper, diplomatic English before going down the course of reforming the RoMaW. We are very disappointed in the decision made by the UN.

Dr. Julia Kittleson
Vice-Legate to the United Nations
The Democratic States of Vista Buena

Happy trails... Can you find the exit on your own, or do you require Felix to help you out the window?I've managed to locate it myself.

Thanks for the offer, though.

The resolution Repeal "Rights of Minorities and Women" was passed 5,412 votes to 4,381.

Another Victory For
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The Blue Footed Booby!
What, you were expecting Gatesville?

I would like to congratulate the fine whatever it is of Glog. This resolution will forever remain in the annals of the resolutions of the United Nations for a repeal can never be repealed or struck out. Now anyone who even suggests that the resolutions of the early years are crap should look upon this work and despair. Yes the UN can't get any worse, but the good lord knows we shall do our best to try!

P.S. I regret that Queen Victoria is still not amused.

Mr. Gardner, we have a saying in Zarquon Froods. "Don't let my boot kick your ass before you get out the door." *Zarquon swiftly kicks the ambassador as he exits.*

As you can see, not everyone heeds its warning. Now let's get the new RoWaM up to quorum.

I am glad that this august body showed enough sense to pass this repeal. New Sequoyah is very pleased.

Lieut. Gen. John Brown Gordon, Ret.
UN Ambassador for New Sequoyah

I am glad that this august body showed enough sense to pass this repeal. New Sequoyah is very pleased.

Lieut. Gen. John Brown Gordon, Ret.
UN Ambassador for New Sequoyah

How could the dark, slippery slope of Language Barbarism be something that is pleasing and sensible?

How could the dark, slippery slope of Language Barbarism be something that is pleasing and sensible?

Cause we know it pisses you off so much. Come Sintar, you too Joebot. On to the bar to celebrate.

Vista Buena mourns the death of common sense...with the passage of this bill.You're batting a thousand these days, Julia. We killed common sense (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=540505) a number of weeks ago.

Congratulations to Glog. May he continue to kill mastodon for many years and his children be strong and healthy boys. We have, however, decided to decline the opportunity to become wife no. 2...despite wife no. 1's hotness.

--L.T.

Jey happy for Glog. Good Glog.

A Neanderthal gentleman approaches the dais. He is thirtyish, dressed in a smart Saville Row suit and carrying a briefcase. He opens the briefcase, retrieves some papers and then sets it aside. After some shuffling of papers and clearing of his throat, he dons reading glasses. He then glances briely at the documents in his hand, approaches the microphone and speaks.

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Good evening ladies and gentlemen of the United Nations, honored Ambassadors and dignitaries.

I am Glog Learnbigwordstalklikecromagnonthinkhesmart, Minister of Information for The Knuckle Dragging Cavemen of G l o g. It brings me great pleasure to address you on the occassion of our repeal's passage.

My countryman, Glog Firemaker, laboured tirelessly to craft this exemplary piece of legislation. Many hours and much painstaking research went into the writing of this repeal. I think you will all agree with me that his efforts were worthwhile.

As many of you no doubt witnessed, Glog left the General Assembly with some haste earlier today after enduring a terrifying encounter with a...*looks at notes*...lightsaber. Whatever that is. He ran 25 miles non-stop before pausing briefly to dictate this short message, which he has requested I read before this assembly.

*clears throat*

Ahem.
Glog scared! Firestick BAD!!! Almost burn Glog up. Glog start fire with flint. Firestick start fire with magic. Flint GOOD!!! Magic bad.

Glog happy about repeal passing. Repeal GOOD!!! Now SchutteGod people pass good law protect rights. Strong law, not weak like one Glog repeal.

Glog thank UN People who help Glog. Glog not pass repeal without help. Help GOOD!!!

Glog laugh at UN People try stop Glog. These UN People dumb. Not care about repealing bad law. Not care about what repeal say, only how repeal say it. Glog come back later, throw more poo at them.

Glog keep job as UN representative of G l o g People, but take break. Return to Glog land. Hunt mastodon. Start fires. See children. Glog miss son and daughter. See Glog woman 1, maybe make more babies. More babies GOOD!!!

Glog miss friends among UN People but come back later. Bring mastodon carcass. Have feast. Feast GOOD!!!

Glog Firemaker, son of Glog Crushdogskullwithrock
UN Ambassador

Touching. Very touching.

I would like to express the heartfelt thanks of my government and my people for all of the assistance that many of you extended to our UN Ambassador during the past weeks. Glog has brought us many stories of the kindness he has recieved here and the many gifts bestowed upon him. We now have a better understanding of, and an appreciation of, the world in which we live.

And with that, ladies and gentlemen, I will bid you all adieu. Ugh.

OOC: Just got home from work. Missed the passage, but that's ok.

IC: *Trey Dreizehn stands up and begins clapping for Glog*

Fantastic legislation, fantastic implementation, and honestly, I enjoyed the debate.

I am a whole different kind of argumentative though.

A small delegation of people in hooded robes arrives, and stalks up to the Darth Ron Paul chair. The leader, a tall woman with brilliant green eyes, is shaking her head in clear disapproval. She arrives at the chair, and looks disgustedly down at Darth Fescus, who is lying in a drunken stupor on the floor.

"Okay, you two, get him out of here. Revolting swine. Good God, he's not even moving. And where's his lightsaber?"
Having retrieved the battered lightsaber and despatched her assistants with the ambassador, the woman picks up the microphone and addresses the delegates.

"Good afternoon, everyone. I am Lady Julia, deputy ambassador for the Armed Republic, and on behalf of the Republic, I want to apologize for my predecessor's unprofessional and unbecoming conduct. I especially want to apologize to Glog. My government has very strict regulations regarding the use and proper care of lightsabers, regulations which my predecessor disregarded, with tragic results. I am prepared to offer up to five million Republic federals as compensation to Glog for his injuries.
Meanwhile, I congratulate this assembly on passing the repeal. The Republic supports tolerance and nondiscrimination wholeheartedly, and feels that the repeal will only allow better protection for women and minorities. We pledge our support to whatever bill is put forward as a replacement for UN #80. Thank you, and may the Force be with you.

I, on behalf of the Evoinia Grand Soviet, The Governing Commisars and the People of Evoinia as well as the Progressive Allied Union as a whole, wish to express my deepest happiness to our victories here today. I also wish to congratulate the Glogian Nation as well as the Honorable Ambassador Firemaker and Minister Learnbigwordstalklikecromagnonthinkhesmart.
We are all deeply indebted to your tireless work and we rejoice at your success.

Vista Buena mourns the death of common sense, along with standard modern English and proper diplomatic language with the passage of this bill. This is a slippery slope that will lead the world into the darkness of language barbarism and loss of culture.

To the pitiable, Dr. Julia Kittleson of Vista Buena... We express our deepest sympathies as we hope the disease of closed-mindedness and elitism will eventually depart your haughty nation and leave it with peace and tolerance. For, with your speaking, we have morned the death of toleration within these halls and the death of advancement and embetterment.

Today, we have seen these values return to us like a mythic Firebird of old! Praise be to Glog on this day, for you have done us all well!

I, on behalf of the Evoinia Grand Soviet, The Governing Commisars and the People of Evoinia as well as the Progressive Allied Union as a whole, wish to express my deepest happiness to our victories here today. I also wish to congratulate the Glogian Nation as well as the Honorable Ambassador Firemaker and Minister Learnbigwordstalklikecromagnonthinkhesmart.
We are all deeply indebted to your tireless work and we rejoice at your success.


To the pitiable, Dr. Julia Kittleson of Vista Buena... We express our deepest sympathies as we hope the disease of closed-mindedness and elitism will eventually depart your haughty nation and leave it with peace and tolerance. For, with your speaking, we have morned the death of toleration within these halls and the death of advancement and embetterment.

Today, we have seen these values return to us like a mythic Firebird of old! Praise be to Glog on this day, for you have done us all well!

Message from the Government of the Democratic States of Vista Buena

Vista Buena, in protest of this putrid, paltry resolution being passed, hereby announces its departure from the UN, until further notice. We have also resigned our membership.

We have been attacked by various regressive nations within the UN for being elitist and intolerant, when that cannot be farther from the truth. We fully support the essence and spirit of the resolution, and we only had problems with its grammar and syntax.

We have been reasonable all along, but we have been treated, at every point in this debate, as the malefactor, and our delegations have been treated with the utmost abuse and intolerance. For all delegates who have accused us for being intolerant, the joke is on you.

We will return to the UN when this organization can clean up its act, and bring itself back from disrepute.

As I'm sure Glog would say, were he still here: Don't let door hit you on way out.

"...'Cause we don't want assprints on our nice, clean doors!"

Message from the Government of the Democratic States of Vista Buena

Vista Buena, in protest of this putrid, paltry resolution being passed, hereby announces its departure from the UN, until further notice. We have also resigned our membership.

We have been attacked by various regressive nations within the UN for being elitist and intolerant, when that cannot be farther from the truth. We fully support the essence and spirit of the resolution, and we only had problems with its grammar and syntax.

We have been reasonable all along, but we have been treated, at every point in this debate, as the malefactor, and our delegations have been treated with the utmost abuse and intolerance. For all delegates who have accused us for being intolerant, the joke is on you.

We will return to the UN when this organization can clean up its act, and bring itself back from disrepute.


*Returning from the bar, slightly inebriated, Zarquon approached the Vista Buenan delegation.*

Never in all my days have I witnessed a representative hold so strong to their convictions. I must applaud you for that *Joebot and Sintar clap*. But I must point out that you did leave yourself open for these attacks. You see, we all see ourselves as equals here, everyone of us regardless of how we talk or act. Your arguments gave us the impression that you think you're better than we, and of course we can have none of that. Even if it wasn't your intention that's how it was recieved. You could say we supported the spirit of your intentions, but not the language in which it was used. That's the joy of politics mate.*And with that Zarquon extended his hand in the hopes of the ambassador returning the favor. They were, afterall, only standing up for what they believed was right.*

Message from the Government of the Democratic States of Vista Buena

Vista Buena, in protest of this putrid, paltry resolution being passed, hereby announces its departure from the UN, until further notice. We have also resigned our membership.

We have been attacked by various regressive nations within the UN for being elitist and intolerant, when that cannot be farther from the truth. We fully support the essence and spirit of the resolution, and we only had problems with its grammar and syntax.

We have been reasonable all along, but we have been treated, at every point in this debate, as the malefactor, and our delegations have been treated with the utmost abuse and intolerance. For all delegates who have accused us for being intolerant, the joke is on you.

We will return to the UN when this organization can clean up its act, and bring itself back from disrepute.

OOC: That's nice.

We pray that a Benevolent Mod will, in His or Her mercy, look down upon this poor thread and that He or She will see fit to lock and de-stickify it so that it might go on to its rest.

Message from the Government of the Democratic States of Vista Buena

Vista Buena, in protest of this putrid, paltry resolution being passed, hereby announces its departure from the UN, until further notice. We have also resigned our membership.

We have been attacked by various regressive nations within the UN for being elitist and intolerant, when that cannot be farther from the truth. We fully support the essence and spirit of the resolution, and we only had problems with its grammar and syntax.

We have been reasonable all along, but we have been treated, at every point in this debate, as the malefactor, and our delegations have been treated with the utmost abuse and intolerance. For all delegates who have accused us for being intolerant, the joke is on you.

We will return to the UN when this organization can clean up its act, and bring itself back from disrepute.

We bagsy your office.

Harmalan Shandreth
Ambassador Plenipotens