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Hello Honorable UN Delegate of the World
I have proposed the The Homeless Act and It needs your support! Come help it out today!
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Description: Seeing Homeless people brings a big decrease in Moral of every nation and major city in the world.

Understanding that they have no house or money to buy food, or get an education, and knowing that most are homeless by drugs. Knowing most of the Homeless people will abuse this newly made right. They will be closely watched by officials appointed by the United Nations

Now to make sure there is no homeless people in the world, the United Nations and its members will each donate 250 Dollars for every 2 weeks. This money will be put into buying apartments, an college degree(2 Years)and a rehab center(if needed) for the homeless person. When they have a job their money we provide for them will decrease by 300 Dollars.

After one year of this Resolution the Homeless Act will seize to exist and will be reactivated every 2 years. And deactivate a year after. To make sure no homeless people are on our streets.

This resolution will help homeless people get off the streets of our great nations and cities. This will increase moral in this depressing world

Voting Ends Tuesday October 23rdv

:)Thanks!
Island Union

:eek:
Sounds like you want to have the UN replace a nation's social workers to watch people.... Why not propose a law that encourages each nation to dedicate their own funds to do the same thing? If the UN is not allowed to have an army or a police force nor is it allowed to have a direct taxation.... your proposal seems to be leading down a slippery slope that may erode the original intent because you are proposing a funding request for a specific issue and you are having investigators to keep an eye on people.... (sure its not law enforcement but it is getting close to that, no?) :confused:

:mad:
"Most are homeless by drugs"? "Knowing most of the Homeless people will abuse this newly made right"? Have you not considered that maybe the homeless get into drugs after they are made homeless.... assuming that your dubious statistics are even accurate. You believe the homeless are children who need supervision because they will abuse their rights? If the homeless had any proper rights properly defended by legal counsel, they would not be homeless in the first place.

Homelessness is a very complex issue that can not be blamed upon the homeless alone. A traffic accident victim is not to be chastised for not knowing the rules of circulation. And you do not assume that if an ambulance is provided, that this accident victim will decide to go off and play stock car racing. Of course some traffic accident victims may be based upon running a red light or drinking and driving, but insinuating that most fall in this category is insulting.

You are trying to sound righteous by helping those poor individuals by offering crumbs while stealing away their meals. You want to prevent homelessness? Then do not allow the banks to take away homes from people, do not allow landlords to evict people. Find alternate solutions for the banks or even the landlords when they are thinking of throwing out the residents. Of course the issues are even more complex than what I presented here but it is beginning as opposed to your proposal, which is insulting to the homeless. :mad:

Though it might seem deephearted, it is not. Thus, our nation will stand against this resoluion!!!!

:fluffle:
I'm curious, you want to increase our morals, our ethics? Or do you want us to increase our morale, our sense of wellbeing? Can we send some of our homeless over to your nation if we are having problems implementing your solution? We could perhaps even do an exchange program to educate the different homeless? Since we would provide them with homes, I guess we could decide if they live alone or in groups like in some barracks or student dorm rooms or something similar. We could even help them find appropriate training for work and maybe even hire them as a group to do some public works.... since all of this is to help them despite their self-destructiveness.... This seems strangely like something similar to which my nation has gotten rid of?!? ;)

While my country would normally support a proposal helping the homeless, the following points are of significant concern:

Seeing Homeless people brings a big decrease in Moral of every nation and major city in the world.

Surely that should not be the main reason for providing help.

Oh, and I do believe you mean "morale", not "moral".


most are homeless by drugs.

"Most"? Unsubstantiated, ridiculous and insulting assumption.


Knowing most of the Homeless people will abuse this newly made right.


Likewise. (Also ungrammatical.)


Christophe Boco,
Ambassador to the United Nations,
PDSRA

OOC: oh God, a proposal about something I know a fair bit about. Switching brain off now...

IC: We regret to say that we have a number of issues with the honoured representative's presentation.

Seeing Homeless people brings a big decrease in Moral of every nation and major city in the world.
We regard this statement as both contentious and prejudicial. It is tantamount to declaring that homeless people are all thieves and scoundrels, a belief that tends to become self-fulfilling. We would not wish to see it's like in UN legislation.

Understanding that they have no house or money to buy food, or get an education, and knowing that most are homeless by drugs.
Evidence suggests that this is a wild and sweeping generalisation; not only is it quite uncommon for people to be made homeless initially because of drug problems, as others have noted, but there are individuals for whom homelessness is a conscious lifestyle choice. Those persons -- admittedly a small percentage of the total -- do appear to have the means to purchase food, and those that do not already have an education have ready access to such should they choose, at least in Gobbannium. This statement needs to be less absolute before we can find it acceptable.

Knowing most of the Homeless people will abuse this newly made right.
We must observe at this point that no right has been stated yet in the proposal; nor if we read it aright is one stated anywhere in the proposal.

They will be closely watched by officials appointed by the United Nations
The assignment of UN officials to duplicate the efforts of Welfare Ministry workers in many nations seems unduly wasteful. We would suggest it would be more useful to require that such monitoring should be done at a national or local level, rather than have the UN attempt to micromanage.

Now to make sure there is no homeless people in the world, the United Nations and its members will each donate 250 Dollars for every 2 weeks. This money will be put into buying apartments, an college degree(2 Years)and a rehab center(if needed) for the homeless person. When they have a job their money we provide for them will decrease by 300 Dollars.
There are so many things wrong with this paragraph that we are a little bewildered as to where to start.

First, we are unfamiliar with the Dollar as a currency. Is the ambassador able to indicate to us where we might be able to determine the exchange rate between Dollars and ceiniogs, never mind the thousands of other national currencies to be involved? Given our uncertainty over this, can the ambassador assure us that 250 Dollars to be invested every two weeks is a quantity of money that the UN itself possesses? Further, can we be assured that 250 Dollars to be invested every two weeks is sufficient funding not only to deal with all homelessness in UN member nations now, but also into the future? For these reasons amongst others, we recommend that the author avoid specifying absolute quantities of money in any currency in UN resolutions.

The final sentence of the paragraph is difficult to understand, also. Since the preceding declarations do not include passing any money directly to a homeless person, stating that "their money we provide for them" in an undefined period will decrease by an amount more than an entire nation is supposed to be contributing per fortnight seems meaningless.

Finally, we wish to point out that in Gobbannium, college degrees generally require longer than two years to complete. They are also in no sense of the words legally for sale, and we take a dim view of the UN advocating fraud.

After one year of this Resolution the Homeless Act will seize to exist and will be reactivated every 2 years. And deactivate a year after. To make sure no homeless people are on our streets.
As it stands, this statement is quite simply illegal. We appreciate the intent that the aforementioned investment should occur only one year in three, but the wording, if one corrects "seize" to "cease", specifies something quite different. We also question whether it is wise; if expenditure on homelessness remediation is necessary, applying it in bursts is surely only allowing the problem to rebuild itself in the 'off' years.

This resolution will help homeless people get off the streets of our great nations and cities. This will increase moral in this depressing world
With all due respect, this resolution is a hopeless muddle. Even were it reworded to say what we suspect the author intends, we are uncertain of its effectiveness.

Now to make sure there is no homeless people in the world, the United Nations and its members will each donate 250Dollars for every 2 weeks. This money will be put into buying apartments, an college degree(2 Years)and a rehab center(if needed) for the homeless person. When they have a job their money we provide for them will decrease by 300 Dollars.

Angora-o requests clarification. If 250 Dollars are donated to each person, and this amount is decreased by 300 Dollars, then would this mean that the people would be required to pay 50 Dollars every two weeks? If this is so, Angora-o humbly asks the Island Union why the homeless people of the world would be motivated to pursue a career. This point, along with several others in the Act, requires revision.

Although Angora-o admires the good intentions of the Island Nation, we judge The Homeless Act to be in need of revision.

:fluffle:
I'm curious, you want to increase our morals, our ethics? Or do you want us to increase our morale, our sense of wellbeing? Can we send some of our homeless over to your nation if we are having problems implementing your solution? We could perhaps even do an exchange program to educate the different homeless? Since we would provide them with homes, I guess we could decide if they live alone or in groups like in some barracks or student dorm rooms or something similar. We could even help them find appropriate training for work and maybe even hire them as a group to do some public works.... since all of this is to help them despite their self-destructiveness.... This seems strangely like something similar to which my nation has gotten rid of?!? ;)

Hello Honorable UN Delegate of the World
I have proposed the The Homeless Act and It needs your support! Come help it out today!
vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvMY PROPOSALvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
Description: Seeing Homeless people brings a big decrease in Moral of every nation and major city in the world.

Understanding that they have no house or money to buy food, or get an education, and knowing that most are homeless by drugs. Knowing most of the Homeless people will abuse this newly made right. They will be closely watched by officials appointed by the United Nations

Now to make sure there is no homeless people in the world, the United Nations and its members will each donate 250 Dollars for every 2 weeks. This money will be put into buying apartments, an college degree(2 Years)and a rehab center(if needed) for the homeless person. When they have a job their money we provide for them will decrease by 300 Dollars.

After one year of this Resolution the Homeless Act will seize to exist and will be reactivated every 2 years. And deactivate a year after. To make sure no homeless people are on our streets.

This resolution will help homeless people get off the streets of our great nations and cities. This will increase moral in this depressing world

Voting Ends Tuesday October 23rdv

:)Thanks!
Island Union

i think that the money to help the homeless is a very good amd logical
way to act with the homeless i agree to this idea and if it was real i would vote for it because it means alot to those that do not have homes or computer's like you or me :(

While understanding why this proposal has been brought forth, and seeing an honourable cause in ensuring that the world no longer has any homeless people, the Brave Ruler of Kalashnivoka feels this proposal is an outrage!

Firstly, this proposal assumes that the homeless are children, on the street due to the fact they were immature with drugs or alcohol, or are too uneducated to hold a job or housing. The actual problem of homelessness runs far deeper than this narrow-minded, demeaning proposal would suggest, and this proposal symbolises a bandaid with a picture of elmo on it to deal with an adult's cracked skull.

Secondly, this proposal goes well beyond the powers of the U.N. It has the U.N. forcing all of its members to pour funding into dealing with its homeless, regardless of the effects of the economy or other prioritisation of national funds. Furthermore, ordering that this proposal come into affect every two years ensures difficulty in building a strong economy around the policy, and will see nations have a slight repression every cycle of funding.

For these reasons, this proposal will be voted against should it come before the United Nations.

I, the Dominator of Kalashnivoka, have Spoken!

:eek:
Sounds like you want to have the UN replace a nation's social workers to watch people.... Why not propose a law that encourages each nation to dedicate their own funds to do the same thing? If the UN is not allowed to have an army or a police force nor is it allowed to have a direct taxation.... your proposal seems to be leading down a slippery slope that may erode the original intent because you are proposing a funding request for a specific issue and you are having investigators to keep an eye on people.... (sure its not law enforcement but it is getting close to that, no?) :confused:

We of Psiatria agree... we too recommend a law that encourages to counter this problem in their own ways

Firstly, this proposal assumes that the homeless are children, on the street due to the fact they were immature with drugs or alcohol, or are too uneducated to hold a job or housing. The actual problem of homelessness runs far deeper than this narrow-minded, demeaning proposal would suggest, and this proposal symbolises a bandaid with a picture of elmo on it to deal with an adult's cracked skull.
We regret to say that the assumption implicit in this statement says more about the Kalashnivokan view of the world than it does of homelessness. An education is not necessarily academic in nature; vocational training would be well within the capacity of a "college degree" format, though most of us refer to such in other terms. More importantly, education is for life, not just adolescence.

Secondly, this proposal goes well beyond the powers of the U.N. It has the U.N. forcing all of its members to pour funding into dealing with its homeless, regardless of the effects of the economy or other prioritisation of national funds. Furthermore, ordering that this proposal come into affect every two years ensures difficulty in building a strong economy around the policy, and will see nations have a slight repression every cycle of funding.
Again, we fear the honoured Dominator is entirely mistaken as to the extent of the UN's powers. We could well do this within the powers of the United Nations, albeit we personally think not in the wording as it stands. We concur, however, that it would be unwise of us to pass such a resolution.

i think that the money to help the homeless is a very good amd logical
way to act with the homeless i agree to this idea and if it was real i would vote for it because it means alot to those that do not have homes or computer's like you or me :(

:confused:
ummm you quoted the Lukewarmers when they say:"Since we would provide them with homes, I guess we could decide if they live alone or in groups like in some barracks or student dorm rooms or something similar. We could even help them find appropriate training for work and maybe even hire them as a group to do some public works.... since all of this is to help them despite their self-destructiveness.... This seems strangely like something similar to which my nation has gotten rid of?!?" and I checked their national description and it seems they got rid of their prisons.... are you suggesting that the homeless should be treated as prisoners in labor camps? :eek:

Seeing Homeless people brings a big decrease in Moral of every nation and major city in the world. To me it means we have those in our nations who are lazy and don't take advantage of what they can get if they work for it.. Anyone who refuses to work and comes to others for hand outs get a boot in the arse until they decide to work and earn something. Those caught by some disaster are helped until they can get on their feet then they don't need welfare which this is.

Now to make sure there is no homeless people in the world,
With 3 nations not in the UN their will always be homeless peoplel. Also when some simply want to sponge off a welfare system that gives to them without limits and requirements their will be people sponging off the system... this will set up such a system and worthless folks will flock to UN nations to get freebies....

the United Nations and its members will each donate 250 Dollars for every 2 weeks. This money will be put into buying apartments, an college degree(2 Years)and a rehab center(if needed) for the homeless person. When they have a job their money we provide for them will decrease by 300 Dollars. If I understand this you will pay them 250 every 2 weeks then when they get a job make them pay 50 every 2 weeks as 300-250=50.

...the United Nations and its members will each donate 250 Dollars for every 2 weeks. This money will be put into buying apartments, an college degree(2 Years)and a rehab center(if needed) for the homeless person. When they have a job their money we provide for them will decrease by 300 Dollars.
Island Union

Your wording is very confusing.
First, what good would a 2-year degree be in Subistratica? Our colleges and universities begin with 3-year degrees, so 2-year would mean nothing to us.
Second, when you say "and a rehab center... for the homeless person", are you implying that every individual homeless person will receive their own rehab center? How would we staff that manu rehab centers?
Third, your math is very screwy: 250-300=-50?
Fourth, could you provide a conversion from dollars into prisms so we know how much this will cost our nation?

I have problems with the entire proposal, but these were the ones that stood out the most.
Subistratica will not support this proposal.

Good day.

Eros Tatriel
UN Rep. for Subistratica