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Dear Honorable Delegates:
Please If you may , Vote on this new proposal document at the UN on page 3 if its saturday, go to page 2 if its sunday:

In November of 2002 a man named Max Barry created a website that lets users make their own nations........This is where we stand today.

This Document declares that every March 18 (Max Barry's birthday) will be honored as an international holiday called Max Barry Day, in honor of the man who made and created this whole website.

Mod Edit to bring this into standard format follows:

Max Barry Day
A resolution to promote funding and the development of education and the arts.

Category: Education and Creativity
Area of Effect: Educational
Proposed by: Dannie E Bolden

Description: In November of 2002 a man named Max Barry created a website that lets users make thier own nations........This is where we stand today.

This Document declares that every March 18 will be honored as an international holiday called Max Barry Day, in honor of the man who made and created this whole website.

Worst
Proposal
Ever.....

I agree;), you could just celebrate the occassion in your own way (no UN resolution is required). :)

I agree;), you could just celebrate the occassion in your own way (no UN resolution is required). :)I'll drink to that...

[OOC: I just checked... it only needs 5 more approvals by Monday.]

I think this proposal is simply a waste... I am considering giving it my approval so that I can vote it down.
And should it pass, I would eagerly support a repeal.

A waste? Why, exactly?

It seems the automatic naysayers are up early this cycle.

Voting FOR.

Nowhere in the NSUN charter does it state that every Resolution must be fraught with deep meaning and dramatic import. Five years is a milestone worth recognizing, given the ephemeral nature of online fora.

Illegal and will be deleted in mere moments.

Or not. Seems I was too slow.

huh.

31 votes already.

That's fast. and people complained about people camping in feeders to send TG ads about their region to new players...

Christ, the thing's at vote.

If ever there was a time when we needed Cluich to post a pic of Tarquin Fin-tim-lin-bin-whin-bim-lim-bus-stop-F'tang-F'tang-Olé-Biscuitbarrel, that time is now.

This resolution is just stupid. Keep OOC and IC separate, plzkthx.

ooc: As much as I'm sure Max Barry is a mensch and we're all dearly grateful (ooc'ly) for the game, this resolution is three ways to hell illegal.

ic: Could someone please explain to this ambassador what they mean by "game" and who is this Max Barry person anyway?

Leetha Talone
UN Ambassador

I believe this resolution should be supported. A world wide public holiday, would give every participating nations' workforce a day of rest, thereby increasing their overall productivity. The benefits to the economy, while small, cannot be disregarded. This will also have the effect of making annations populations think their government cares for them more, meaning they are happier, and more likely to accept some of the more evil things we are forced to do to them (note "forced" is used liberally here). happy people are productive people; they are also people who are less likely to rebel.

hmm, arnet we celebrating him just by being here. if we hated him we wouldnt be here. we all love, (admire). Also hes not a major figure in the games itself only BTS.

We did not even consider this resolution seriously because it simply makes no sense to us. We know not of a website at which people "create nations" nor do we know who this person is that the resolution supposed to ask us to celebrate.

Relikmere has voted against.

His Very Royal Highness, Prince Dirk Koller
Deacon Prince of the Constitutional Monarchy of Relikmere
Ambassador to the United Nations

This is a waist of time. There are better things to debate about.

IC: Cobdenia has now removed the 18th of March from all it's calenders. The 19th of March will follow the 17th, and a committee has been formed to decided whether a 32nd of March will be tacked on the end of the month, or whether February should have 29 days (30 in leap years).
Also, 2002 is seventy years in the future for us. We certainly haven't heard of this Max Barry feller, who apparently isn't even born yet.

OoC: How on earth did this make it without being smited? Can it still be smited? Hack? Fris? Please, please, smite it. I'll give you my worldly possessions (four cigarettes and fifteen pence) to smite it. It belongs firmly in the pre-"HIPPOS ARE REALLY QUITE LARGE" era

It got this far by making it to quorum really, really fast. As it is at vote, it cannot be deleted right now, but will most probably be deleted the moment it finishes being at vote.

~ Tsar the Mod.

Can't really even be smited after vote; that would require Admin intervention.

OOC: I might have supported an international Max Barry day of some sort if it was very cleverly done, but this is injecting OOC into IC, and as such it is truly 'orrible.

IC:
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/8113/julienquanbju4.jpg

Ladies, gentlemen, and other assorted beings, I'll be very brief. My country has no idea why we should be celebrating the creation of some website we've never even heard of.

I hardly need to say that we're voting against.


Julien Quan (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Julien_Quan),
Deputy Ambassador to the United Nations,
PDSRA

AGAINST PENDING POINT OF ORDER. SEE STATEMENT AT FORUM 13108598 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13108598&postcount=5244).

ALSO, hippos are big.

*unleashes volley of tomatoes at author*

Darren Funkel
Goobergunchian UN Ambassador
Founder, Democratic Underground region

It got this far by making it to quorum really, really fast. As it is at vote, it cannot be deleted right now, but will most probably be deleted the moment it finishes being at vote.

~ Tsar the Mod.


Just out of curiosity, how is that possible? From the speed of it, I can't even see a script being enough; it would take time for the delegates to read the TG's and endorse - but then, my knowledge of scripts comes down to "they are things that do things internetty" so I might be wrong. I'm concerned that some form of hackery has been going on, t'is all.

Just out of curiosity, how is that possible? From the speed of it, I can't even see a script being enough; it would take time for the delegates to read the TG's and endorse - but then, my knowledge of scripts comes down to "they are things that do things internetty" so I might be wrong. I'm concerned that some form of hackery has been going on, t'is all.

Note that I first noticed this proposal yesterday. It's fast, but not ridiculously fast.

This has been an OOC post.

I've just been working this out, and it is, indeed, possible, according to my fuzzy maths. There is a delay of 10 seconds between possible TG's, which means a max of 360 TG's/hour. I rounded this down to 300, as some time will be taken up with the page changes loading (had to use the full delegate list, as there was no resolution at vote), slight blips, changing the song playing in the background, etc.

Now, my resolution, which I TG 300 delegates for (roughly), has gotten 10 endorsements in 6 hours since the median time I was TG-ing. That means, in 24, I should get roughly 40 endorsements. Thus, in order to get 120 endorsements in 24 hours, one needs to send 900 telegrammes, which, if you're fast and focussed and not easily distracted (I managed roughly 100 TG/hour, for example), would take a mere three hours.

Of course, the TG campaign may have started long after the proposal was first entered into the queue, and how long it went from minimal, people checking the list type endorsements, to the number that requires a TG campaign. i.e. if it had only taken 12 hours, that would mean six hours straight TGing to 1,800 delegates, etc.

It all depends on how long the period from no/minimal endorsements to Quorum endorsements (and how many endorsements there were prior to it making quorum) - it could well be near impossible using Old Skool methodology.


*Pause for applause of fuzzy maths...not a sausage*

IC: I vote against. Why should there be an international holiday for the creator of an obscure game that nobody in Sagit has ever heard of! Besides, those dates are meaningless. Sounds like some ancient calendar used by a rather unimportant planet.

OOC: See what happens when there is a long dry spell. :p

It doesn't necessarily require telegrams. It's utterly possible that it was propelled into quorum by well meaning but... ah... "silly" Delegates. It's happened before (usually with stupid "Safe Teh Treez!" nonsense, but still).

just a question,

Why march 18th? :rolleyes:

A nice gesture, however I believe that this resolution makes a strange link between the real world and the world of the Nation State world...
It would be the same wierd if we suggetsed resolution about emposing sunctions on Iran...
Thus Elven Realm's vote will be against this proposal.


signed: Grand Duke of Elven Realm

Dear Honourable Delegates of the Nationstates United Nations,

I believe that the issue that we are currently debating is quite out of the topic, although I am not suggesting a repeal to this affair. The purpose of the organization, I thought, is to discuss serious international matters such as terrorism, free trade agreements and so on.

However, a resolution like this one could be a relaxing element in the forum and cool the heat of intensifying discussion.

Thank You for reading my comments on the Max Barry Vote.

Yours Most Sincerely,
The President of Global United Nations :)

It doesn't necessarily require telegrams. It's utterly possible that it was propelled into quorum by well meaning but... ah... "silly" Delegates. It's happened before (usually with stupid "Safe Teh Treez!" nonsense, but still).


Aye, that's true


*muzzer muzzer...shit proposals not needing telegrammes, and me, telegramming all bally night...muzzer muzzer*

OOC: Time to start drafting a repeal.

And don't even think about bringing up any "replacement".

IC:

What. The. Heck.

Akimonad and Conservative Paradise stand opposed to this piece of utter garbage.

~Spock,
Deputy Ambassador

We fail to understand the purpose of this resolution and question whether nations are truly dedicated to the goal of diplomatic unity if they are capable of reducing us to debating such nonsense.

It is our opinion that this legislation is inane and grossly offensive to many nations as it mocks the individual they believe created all existence, that is completely inexcusable and we offer our sympathies to those nations.

Anravelle Kramer,
Envoy of The Faithful.

OOC: If this had been IC and witty then I would have gladly voted for it but it isn’t, it’s sycophantic. It violates rules and relied solely on ridiculousness rather than content to reach quorum. My only concern is whether I'll get banned for voting against it.

OOC:

The purpose of this resolution is to honor a real life person for something that he did Out of Character with the world set up for this game.


This resolution should have been removed by the moderators for the fact it is asking to honor someone who has done something outside the game.

Resolutions belong as in game propositions only.

If you want to honor someone, honor those that drafted the best resolutions that we are still using today in this game. That would be an honor in character with the game itself.

I agree with The Most Glorious Hack and Cobdenia. The Max Barry Day proposal currently up for vote is illegal and should have been deleted before it hit the floor.

Examples of its illegality:

* Violates the 'real life' principle: reference to a RL individual
* Possible discrepancy between subject matter of the proposal (and there's not much of THAT) and the proposal category
* Joke proposal -- and, yes, I agree that this one is in the same vein as the old HIPPOS resolution. Though this particular hippo up for debate isn't that large, it's still an inappropriate proposal and should be voted down now if it couldn't have been deleted earlier.

On top of that, the current proposal is frivolous and not really deserving of our consideration. Nonetheless, there the proposal is. It made it to the floor.

Voting against.

Voted FOR. Though in Kuchy, it will be officiously known as 'hangover day' after celebrating the birthday of this so-called shadow dictator that no one really knows about... If it were an international holiday, that would minimise the relative economic costs, with the sewer system clogged up with vomit and all...

Right.

I read somewhere, not too long ago, that while moderators can't delete a proposal once it's at vote, admins still can, if they can be bothered. Can they be bothered this time?

My mom and my cousin's birthday's are in March 18! I don't want this law to be enacted, this type of thing shouldn't be in the UN.

*types in the name 'Max Barry' for search in online population system*
*...searching...*
'0 results'
This must be someone ushered into the UN fast recently then, since I've never heard that name mentioned ic since I joined the UN more than 1 year ago. This can't be good. :eek:
I say vote against this proposal so this puppet person can never execute his evil plan!

PS: Save Teh Treez!:D

A woman dressed as Father Christmas walked up to the podium solemnly. She removed her Father Christmas hat, then her Father Christmas beard, and tapped the mic.

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/3804/unspeaker6nm7.jpg

"Ladies, gentlemen, gnomes, artificial intelligences, dragons, giant spiders, potted plants and Kennyites, I would like to make the most of this festive occasion to wish you all a very merry Christmas.

I won't remember by Christmas time, and anyway, by the time I've finished singing "We Wish You A Merry Christmas" in the official languages of every UN member State, it'll probably be Christmas.

I'll begin, if I may, by singing it in the language of Glog - that most remarkable land where cavemen (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13058802#post13058802) and feral babies (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Y%C5%93the_G%C3%B8rr) dwell.

All together now..."

The lady began to sing.

regarding the United Nations Motion:

In November of 2002 a man named Max Barry created a website that lets users make thier own nations........This is where we stand today.

This Document declares that every March 18 will be honored as an international holiday called Max Barry Day, in honor of the man who made and created this whole website.

His Divine Radiance, The Most Exalted, Spanky the Loveclown, Bearer of the Tickling Stick of Massiveness, Ruler of Fingletown has decreed thus:

"This is preposterous! I had to poison twenty-three family members and rig two elections to take control of my beloved Fingletown. I think it highly unlikely that there is a mere website where one can 'make' a nation state, what are these overpaid UN Delegates thinking of? This motion should have been killed off mush earlier than this and I therefore suspect underhanded dealings which did not involve any kickcback to me. Henceforth all UN Members are requested to place the 'Allied States of Dannie E Bolden' on their 'Axis of Evil' list and March 18 shall henceforth and for perpetuity, continue to be known as March 18"

I don't see why the hell you people are voting this down. My country will be anarchy soon, but I will be voting for this issue.

Max Barry made this website. His book did. If not for him, you'd all be on something along the lines of Neopets right now.

Pandapajamastan's official position on this resolution is AGAINST. Nobody in the senate has ever heard of this Max Barry, but someone said that it might be an alternate translation of Masbri, the Great Flame Lord. Regardless, we don't think forcing any religion on the nations of the UN is fair, so we're voting against.

I'd also like to take this opportunity to introduce myself. I'm Luri Zanth, one of two people chosen to represent the Pandapajamastani empire to the UN. My colleague is...somewhere else. I'm hoping he stays there.

Luri Zanth
Democratic UN Representative

Please, a better proposal is needed. On to the next, I say.

I don't see why the hell you people are voting this down. My country will be anarchy soon, but I will be voting for this issue.

Max Barry made this website. His book did. If not for him, you'd all be on something along the lines of Neopets right now.

OOC: Why don't you actually read the reasons people have given for voting against, hmm?

As this is passing at more than a 2/3s majority right now, I'm going to start drafting a repeal.

It's still early, are there counter-campaigns proceeding?

I wouldn't worry too much. The delegates won't have really started to vote yet, and I can't see any of the delegates with more power than a gnats fart voting for this tripe

I deeply regret submitting my approval for this proposal. I have voted against it, and should it pass I will gladly support any measures to remove it.

Good day.

Eros Tatriel
UN Rep. for Subistratica

OOC: Heh, I'm for.

OOC: Any reason?

IC: I think this is a terrible proposal and should not be passed. Since everyone is quite split on this it seems, i suggest this being left to the individual nations.

OOC: In what case in history has the UN ever passed bill which imposed a holiday on the nations. In what i can remember there are no such cases. I say leave it to the individual nations, this is by no means UN territory.

The Republic of Etomia is voting AGAINST.

OOC: It is times like this that we are forced into the realisation that the percentage of people playing this game who post on this forum or really pay attention to the established rules for UN proposals (or textually roleplay the administration of their nations or the interaction of their nations' ambassadors) is relatively small. The vast majority of NationStates gamers are not so serious about it to let their adherence to roleplaying verisimilitude keep them from expressing their satisfaction with the game by establishing an in-game tribute to the game's author. I still need to read Jennifer Government; Company was good.

I will ask once more - How can we celebrate birthday of a person who does not exist in NationStates world??????????? For us it is a fictional person...

I will ask once more - How can we celebrate birthday of a person who does not exist in NationStates world??????????? For us it is a fictional person...

Actually, the name Max Barry has come up in some of my issues before. He is clearly a citizen of Twafflonia.

After long and considerable consideration, I have voted for this proposal. The people in my nation need all the days to get drunk as possible.

Autumn Pantherpaw
Dictator of Magick and Witchcraft.

Ambassador Gardner dashes through the hallways of the UN building after a small robot that has been mistakenly programmed into stalking that Ariddian in the silly costume. When he catches up with it, he hastily presses a variety of its buttons. "As long as I'm here, I might as well see what's going on..."

Slowly, he reads the resolution.

"How the," he swears, "did this piece of...this piece...this...get up for vote?"

Beep beepity berb, burr...

"Yes, I'm aware that I've been stripped of the delegacy, that still doesn't answer my question."

Bip-bit, bititit bee-urr...

"So I no longer get telegrams from erstwhile proposers...I see where this is going."

Bititit keeki chh??

"Yes, of course I'm voting against."

Eshwishhi stiteetikk cllik?

"No, it's an upstanding piece of legislation and more useful than some of the stuff the UN does."

Kititit kah-reeek?

"Because they misspelled "their", that's why."

This resolution is positively breathtaking in its illegality. The entire Moderator staff should, as punishment for their sorry dereliction of duty, be forced to eat cuisine prepared by the honorable representative of G l o g. (We still have the dead rabbits somewhere.)

The resolution will most likely pass, given the voting history of the clueless crew. Should that happen and it not be deleted by an Administrator, we will happily support a repeal. And for those who go into autowhine mode and start whimpering about a replacement every time the word "repeal" is mentioned.... The Ausserland delegation pledges, should this resolution pass and subsequently be repealed, to draft and submit a replacement.

Luigi P. O'Rourke
Special Assistant to the Ambassador
(The rest of the delegation took the day off.)

I beleive that this should be treated as a religious holiday. Without the great creator Max Barry we would be nothing. I beleive in seperation of religion and state but as many people have stated before it will give our workforce a much needed day off which will increase overall happiness and productivity. Xyberspace has voted for.

I beleive that this should be treated as a religious holiday. Without the great creator Max Barry we would be nothing. I beleive in seperation of religion and state but as many people have stated before it will give our workforce a much needed day off which will increase overall happiness and productivity. Xyberspace has voted for.

Scratch that. I have just reviewed the proposal rules and will vote to repeal this immediately

The resolution will most likely pass, given the voting history of the clueless crew.

In that case, I for one welcome our idiot overlords.

Although, I hasten to add, the largest region to vote for the resolution commands only 17 delegate votes, so I'm quietly optimistic that the feeders and proper regions will see the light and clicky clicky on the againsty button

Sir Cyril etc.

You know, this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen up for vote in the entire time I've been representing The Rogue Nation of Flibbleites at the UN. All of you who approved this proposal and all of you who are voting for this thing ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

Right.

I read somewhere, not too long ago, that while moderators can't delete a proposal once it's at vote, admins still can, if they can be bothered. Can they be bothered this time?And can they do it without breaking the site in the process?

I don't see why the hell you people are voting this down. My country will be anarchy soon, but I will be voting for this issue.

Max Barry made this website. His book did. If not for him, you'd all be on something along the lines of Neopets right now.

As someone who's played Neopets for 5 and half years, I have to ask what your problem with Neopets is?

Ya I don't mind this one. It's good that we have a few celabrations ones and a wile!;)

Marran

The commander told me to vote against, but I'm just as inclined to vote for this. With all the fuckwits who infest these halls, y'all deserve this steaming pile of horse shit. I heard someone say that this resolution should be "nuked," but I think they got it wrong. Don't nuke the proposal, nuke this honorable assembly! I'd do the honors myself, but it seems someone has stolen all my weapons-grade plutonium. It was probably Cdr. Chiang, but I wouldn't put it past anyone here, frankly: if y'all are stupid enough to mistake this as a measure worthy of the UN's time, you could just as easily mistake a canister of a highly dangerous and unstable substance for cavity-fighting toothpaste or something.

Fuck! You assholes piss me off so much! I gotta go take out my aggressions.

[He turns around.]

TANA (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11961027&postcount=4480)!! ... Where the hell is that woman?!


[Meanwhile, in the Kennyite office suite six floors above...]

"You actually let the ambassador (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13039637&postcount=109) speak in the General Assembly? Are you out of your mind, Commander?"

"Meh. I just didn't feel like sending anyone important."

"And what if he actually had been able to build a homemade nuke to take with him?"

"At least we wouldn't have to debate this proposal any longer."

On Max Barry Day what the hell would be do this is virtual we cant have like a party. How would we remember him anyways? we couldn't really have any festivity's.....

Vote this Down, its pointless :upyours:

Whilst Bahgum feels that this proposal has wasted an opportunity for much merriment and verbosity of wit, we broadly support the general idea. Actually, our Glorious Leader is going to vote for it because it the illegal crowd hate it.

But that's national biodiesel day. DON'T MESS WITH MAH BIODIESEL:mp5:

This day is made of WIN.

I am also surprised it has not been deleted from the list of proposals like my proposal, which after a few hours had a number of first approvals...
The honorable delegates runnig this UN asembly must have been away all weekend...

This day is made of WIN.

No, it's made of epic phail.

~Spock,
Deputy Ambassador

This is so illegal it isn't funny anymore. Why hasn't it been banned yet? The rightly named 'epic phail' of today should go down as one of the worst days in the NSUN's history.

The still unnamed woman in the Father Christmas suit (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13113617&postcount=39) looked up at last at the din of comments in the General Assembly, and coughed, annoyed.

"Excuse me," she said pointedly. "You're interrupting my rendering of 'We Wish You a Merry Christmas' in Kzintsu'ng (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Kzintsu%27ng). Now sit down and be quiet. Thank you."

She inhaled deeply.

"Scrhhg hkogg hwaoo swee'ng turpf hrrikvrrurk, scrhhg hkogg hwaoo swee'ng turpf hrrikvrrurk, scrhhg hkogg hwaoo swee'ng turpf HRRIKvrrurk, and a happy New Year!"

She glared at the assembled delegates.

"And now in Fklaazj (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Fklaazj)..."

Gently nudging the woman in the Santa suit aside, Ambassador York steps up to the podium

"I could understand making a holiday celebrating the UN, but some guy making a website that none of us have ever heard seems rather pointless. Cookesland votes AGAINST."

Richard York
UN Ambassador

:confused:
If I am to understand this myth, Max Barry built the building of this United Nations where we all meet and discuss? I never saw his name in the founding documents. Other debaters mention that Max Barry is a philosopher who wrote some book in the past about the philosophy of nation states? That sounds like "The Allied States of Dannie E Bolden" is trying to impose his religious figure of his nation onto the rest of our nations. We Churchians do not believe that this myth be imposed upon us, why should this Max Barry have more say than any other religious or philosophical icon? We do not believe that he created this world, nor is he credited in the founding documents of this UN building which is accessible via this message board.

Secondly, aren't the bureaucrats of the UN responsible in the smooth running of this website that allows our nations to propose, discuss, vote and repeal stuff and not this mythological creature called Max Barry? I don't hear any bureaucrats crediting Max Barry as their inspiration nor as their creator.

Thirdly, how in the world is having a holiday about this fictional persona enhance education or creativity? It may enhance spirituality or contemplation for those believers of that interesting religion but for the rest of us, it will just confuse us as to why "The Allied States of Dannie E Bolden" gets to impose its historical heroes onto the rest of this world?

We must in all good conscience vote against such tyranny of religious thought as to who or what created what and when.... (unless it corresponds to our theocracy!!!) :rolleyes:

OOC: Umm... didn't you read the rules nub? You're stupid. :upyours:

IC: What is NationStates? Who is Max Berry? I never thought I would see the day when school-age children were allowed to put proposals up to the United Nations!

However, I have been called to vote on the matter. My vote is


AGAINST.

Alaska 1 supports this resolution. :upyours:

FOR

Against

Wish I had more votes ....

Wish I had more votes ....

Please don't create multiple UN nations to increase your vote. Then you'd lose all of those lovely Against votes.

My apologies to the UN for not spotting this tripe and wiping it from the proposal queue, but even mods need vacation days.

I think that this proposal is the first step towards making a deity. United Nations should NOT glorify any individual, certainly not by official resolutions.

I vote against.

((Will someone please explain to me how this doesn't violate UN rules))
Deltain will be voting against this, as we haven't heard of this Max Barry, or this website.

Votes For: 1,861

Votes Against: 747

We have begun an investigation into who this "Max Barry" is and whether or not this website actually exists. The entire Council of Nevesá has submitted their approval of my vote against it, but I will be facing punishment for giving it my approval before it came to a vote.

Good day.

Eros Tatriel
UN Rep. for Subistratica

[OOC: Someone better start drafting a repeal really soon, because it looks like this thing might pass...]

No breaking of the fourth wall in UN resolutions. This doesn't even deserve an in-character response.

OOC: Aniane, thanks for the input, but seriously, please do not ever post anything with such large text ever again. It's really quite annoying.

Also OOC: In regards to this resolution, there are better ways to show your appreciation to Max Barry and the game staff than dragging OOC into IC in such a lame fashion.

IC: Altanar opposes this resolution and, if it passes, will simply refuse to acknowledge the day in question as an official holiday, as we can see no way that this person unknown to us has contributed to Altanari history or culture in a significant fashion.

Ikir Askanabath, Acting Ambassador

((Will someone please explain to me how this doesn't violate UN rules))
It does. Hack and I missed it. Unfortunately, once it hits the floor, we can't kill it. It goes all the way through to a vote, so your best bet is to defeat it.
No breaking of the fourth wall in UN resolutions.
Textbook definition of "metagaming".

The Delegate of Russmark and Leader of The United Socialist States of Gaulii wishes to convey his gratitude to the writer of the book upon which this website is based upon. And does so in casting his vote for this Max Barry Day. He also wishes to convey his most worried sentiment to those of other nations who would choose to be selfish in advocating national rights over global control, and wishes to state that "If something betters the global community in education you must adhere and do what is best for that community as a hole. Not what is best for your own personal situation."

Greatest Regards

Caesarium Samuel Jay Lenin II of the USSG.

Time to right up a repeal...

((Will someone please explain to me how this doesn't violate UN rules))


There isn't. This wasn't foreseen by people who have brains. :headbang:

I am also surprised it has not been deleted from the list of proposals like my proposal, which after a few hours had a number of first approvals...
The honorable delegates runnig this UN asembly must have been away all weekend...As both Hack and Fris have said, they weren't able to get it deleted before it came up for vote.

This is so illegal it isn't funny anymore. Why hasn't it been banned yet?Due to it's being up for vote, the mods can't touch it, and your guess is as good as mine as to whether or not the admins will do it.

your guess is as good as mine as to whether or not the admins will do it.

The only case I can remember of admins removing resolutions came when the game was down for over a month, during the move to Jolt.

Remember, this game was originally coded by an author with minimal programming experience. A whole bunch of UN-related things are tightly interrelated, even though that's not good programming practice. Removing the "At Vote" can break things, badly.

I'm gonna go out on a very short limb and say "not gonna happen".

In the Name of the Eternal Kawaii (mtCObp)

We are somewhat mystified by this resolution, since our nation does not use the calendar that it's apparently based upon. According to my calculations, "March 18th" last fell on Bachan-1 of the Moon of the Water Snake. Bachan-1 is a rather inauspicious day for a celebration, unless it's a funeral. Is this Barry person dead? We're a little tardy in memorializing him, if that's the case.

As newly appointed ambassador to the UN from Sanctus Aequitas, may I say that I had hoped that my first vote in the chamber would have been on a topic of grave importance for the diffusion of Justice throughout the world.

Unfortunately we have a proposal that venerates an unknown man, perhaps even a myth. This will not do, and the people of Sanctus Aequitas will never do homage to or honour any man with such proposterous overindulgence.

Glory and worship is to be given to God alone. May His Justice, the righting of wrongs, be swift and sure.

UN Ambassador Araneus of Sanctus Aequitas votes NO.

OOC: As much as I don't think I need to repeat what has already been said, why are we blurring the lines between in-game and out-of-game?

IC: Horgen searches thruogh his database of notable identities, trying to find the identity of Max Barry. Failing to find him, he promptly makes a call to Damanucus.
Linard: Hello?
Horgen: Your Eminence, Horgen here.
Linard: How are you going with those bookings?
Horgen: Make five for now. Listen, do you know who Max Barry is?
Linard: Not off the top of my head. I'll have someone check the latest Damanucus census for you, see if he's in there, if you like.
Horgen: Thanks. Would be appreciated.

OOC: I know he won't find him there.

Horgen Dush
UN Representative, Nomadic Peoples of Damanucus

I'm kinda supprised this thing is actually passing by the looks of it......



WE NEED NO VOTES PEOPLE!

*snip*Alright, I think we get it. Max Barry is a name from RL. Ha, ha. Hi-lar-ious.

Now, can you all give the metageekery a rest already?

I'm telling you guys, Max Barry is a Twafflonian citizen. He was an atheist who wanted to become the national religious adviser so that he could promptly resign. I remember him well.

OOC: Of course, the random name-change programming changed him from Max Barry to someone else as soon as I addressed the issue...

OOC: If you remove ‘sex discrimination’ from beauty pagents (not an IC choice, I just liked the idea of watching men in... well...*shakes herself back to reality*) isn’t the result Max winning the competition or have I completely imagined that?

Well the best thing to do to celebrate would be to buy Max Barry's books, rather than make a UN resolution:rolleyes:. But then again, don't mind me I am just trying to be sensible here,lol.

I Will be buying some of Max Barry's books soon - when I figure out how to money order by mail - because I am anti-credit cards and only have a bank card;).

Max Barry is a Twafflonian citizen. He was an atheist

2 of my friends are atheist, and they are nice people. So as far as im concerned it is perfectly acceptable. :)

The Narnian Council respects Mr. Barry and his achievements, however -

Honestly, is this what the NSUN is reduced to? A bunch of bumbling senators with nothing else on their hands but the exciting task of proposing a minature, very vague and utterly 'newbie' piece of legislation that is supposed to honor the creator of the game (that doesn't even exist in NationStates!! - he may exist as a personality...not as creator.....). A creator cannot be part of its creation (unless you're pantheistic) - therefore this proposal seems a little illegal to me, if not downright ridiculous!

So unless we want to start proclaiming Mr. Barry as the 'higher mind' 'that can make us as One'...

Voting AGAINST.

simply amazing how serious people take this game, as if they're actually a national leader...w/e. i vote for, its good to honor persdon who started it. course, y march 18? thought u said it was created in november.....

How can the mods seriously let this pass?

Really????

simply amazing how serious people take this game, as if they're actually a national leader...

OOC: No, we roleplay (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing) characters. For example, Christophe Boco (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Christophe_Boco) is a character, and is my nation's ambassador to the UN. He's not me. There's a distinction between player and character.

The player behind OMGTKK isn't really a suicide terrorist, for example.

At least, I don't think so.

The Republic of Drakeforde would like to reiterate the stance taken by Relikmere: we have never heard of this Max Barry whom this resolution calls us to celebrate.

Furthermore, even if we did know who this man was, what sense is there in creating an international holiday to celebrate a website creator? We can't just mindlessly create holidays for every inventor who does something of inconsequential proportions.

While the Republic of Drakeforde supports the advancement of and utilization of technologies, and admires individuals who do the same, we will have to vote AGAINST this resolution for the simple fact that it is arbitrary.

well, since there are quite a lot of us who removed "gender discrimination" from beauty pageants and it results in Max Barry winning it i am pretty sure he must be very popular amongst the citizens across the nation states universe that allow him to compete against the respective nations' men and women and gender-queers alike. This reason alone indicated that he is very influential across the nation states universe.

I also stand for the view that he must have been someone extraordinary. Him being a person in game is capable of creating the game he is in. therefore he created this electronic universe in which our respective nations reside from within, never mind the person outside the game who created it because in game wise he does not exist therefore the in game credit goes to the in game max barry.

therefore he is the primodial entity of the Nation States universe. Therefore i do believe he deserves a special recognition namely the max barry day because what he did is like giving birth to himself (not to also mention the nation states universe that our nations and little people reside in). now which one of you can claim to be able to do that?

therefore i am for the max barry day because he is awesomeness.

OOC: No, we roleplay (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing) characters. For example, Christophe Boco (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Christophe_Boco) is a character, and is my nation's ambassador to the UN. He's not me. There's a distinction between player and character.

The player behind OMGTKK isn't really a suicide terrorist, for example.

At least, I don't think so.

OoC: I, on the other hand, am a 120 year old pompous 1930's British colonial civil servant (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Cyril_MacLehose-Strangways-Jones)and, simultaneously, a military idiot whose his own grandfather (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Brian_Blatherstock)

The player behind OMGTKK isn't really a suicide terrorist, for example.

At least, I don't think so.No ... I'm actually a macho lady commando in a corset and a thong (ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Jenny_Chiang)! I mean, seriously, Aridd, you've known me for how long? Two years? :p

course, y march 18? thought u said it was created in november.....Because March 18 is Max Barry's birthday (ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Max_Barry).

OoC: I, on the other hand, am a 120 year old pompous 1930's British colonial civil servant (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Cyril_MacLehose-Strangways-Jones)and, simultaneously, a military idiot whose his own grandfather (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Brian_Blatherstock)

OOC: I don't think anyone ever doubted that. And ye gods, this has given me a headache!:


His family situation is considered complicated as, when he was 23, he married a 38 year old widow, Jane Baulton (nee Trescothick) who had a 20 year old daughter. His father subsequently married the widow's daughter. This caused his father to be his son-in-law, and his daughter his mother. He subsequently had a son by his wife, which became is father's brother in law and thus his uncle, and brother to his daughter, as she was also his step mother. His step daughter had a daughter by his father, and became his grandson, and his brother. This means that his late wife was his grandmother, he her grandson, and thus he is his own grandson. This, along with his balloon accident, might account for his borderline insanity.


No ... I'm actually a macho lady commando in a corset and a thong (ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Jenny_Chiang)! I mean, seriously, Aridd, you've known me for how long? Two years? :p

OOC: As long as you're not Jack Riley. :p

OOC: Ha, this is gonna be interesting.

IC: The Empire of Tyrantstan, while realizing that there is no such person as "Max Barry" in any nation, has decided to vote in favor of this resolution just to see what will happen when the motion to repeal comes up for discussion.



Dr. C. Niall DaMaintchia
Ambassador for Tyrantstan

IC: The Empire of Tyrantstan, while realizing that there is no such person as "Max Barry" in any nation, has decided to vote in favor of this resolution just to see what will happen when the motion to repeal comes up for discussion.


It already has. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=540284) No other "resolution" has been so deserving of an InstaRepeal™.

:headbang:
This resolution and its debates are the very reason why the Truthmongers will not join the UN. Issues that seem so important to some are seen as so ridiculous to others and as some unknown quote has been made known to me: "a democracy is when you are in a room full of idiots and they all agree, you lose."

So it matters not who wins this particular issue, the losers will feel that idiots have won the day. ;)

:D
We think that this Max Barry dude should have his own month, our country has a holiday for an individual for almost every single day of the calendar but we honor outsiders to our country with their own month!!! We can add Max Barry into our hall of heroes whether or not this resolution passes because we just love to get along with everyone!!!

Since we want to offend no one, we do not get into the actual voting practice. May everyone be happy with the results! :)

The Delegate of Russmark and Leader of The United Socialist States of Gaulii wishes to convey his gratitude to the writer of the book upon which this website is based upon. And does so in casting his vote for this Max Barry Day. He also wishes to convey his most worried sentiment to those of other nations who would choose to be selfish in advocating national rights over global control, and wishes to state that "If something betters the global community in education you must adhere and do what is best for that community as a hole. Not what is best for your own personal situation."

Greatest Regards

Caesarium Samuel Jay Lenin II of the USSG.

Althought this would be honorable Caesarium, the person in question never existed. This is an unprovable man and book. Its almost as if they're trying to make a holiday for Cinderella or Peter Pan.

:eek:
In case my position was not clear on page 5 of this forum, my country is voting against. Some seem to not have understood my country's position because they did not wish to read the entire argument. :(

As newly appointed ambassador to the UN from Sanctus Aequitas, may I say that I had hoped that my first vote in the chamber would have been on a topic of grave importance for the diffusion of Justice throughout the world.


The Ambassador for Putzi had the same hope as the esteemed Ambassador for Sanctus Aequitas when Putzi joined the UN some time ago, and is in fact still waiting for the first issue of grave importance to come along! Resolutions and especially the proposals of late discussed here have been on rather minor issues.

Whilst we suppose all the big obvious ones were clearly done ages ago like banning slavery etc. it is a shame to besmirch the UN with inane drivel like the current resolution, and the recent fiddling about with widget standardisation proposals would be more suited to a widget expert convention than fit for statesmen at the UN...

...the Ambassador for Putzi craves big thorny issues with depth and complexity, large grey areas to grapple with, and I suppose, has yet to realise just how mundane and boring much of international politics actually is. We should emphasis that we believe strongly in the institution of the UN as the best possible instrument on the big global issues, but feel that the bean counting of late is a result of a majority of the big issues having been 'covered' by past resolutions.

And Putzi does not care for stamp collecting. On a related note, we notice the drone-delegates are out in force as usual and clicking without reading on the 'FOR' button (if they can in fact read at all...) - which renders this forum (where 80% at least are AGAINST) very definitely irrelevant to the outcome if the enemy will not do battle on the resolution. It is a small consolation that the same idiots will vote the repeal in with equal indifference to the funny squiggles in the big box above the 'FOR' clicky-place...

Ambassador for Putzi

<ooc:rant>
This really saddens me....

At least to me, the best part of the UN is having great debates and ideas often explored and challend in new and innovative ways.

Authors many times put a lot of thought and work into making a quality proposal. Then they have to send hundreds of telegrams, and if the proposal reaches the floor, deal with willfull ignorance, stubborness and idiotic misreadings of their work.

When I see this piece of bovine excretion reach quorum in two days and thousands of votes in hours, I cant but see it like a slap in the face to all those who make an effort to make the UN a place for great debate and great roleplay.

</ooc:rant>

We of course are against this sad attempt at a proposal.

Perhaps the good ambassador from Putzi will kindly bring forth a proposal dealing with one of the big, thorny, and complex issues he so eagerly wishes to discuss.

The Ambassador for Putzi had the same hope as the esteemed Ambassador for Sanctus Aequitas when Putzi joined the UN some time ago, and is in fact still waiting for the first issue of grave importance to come along! Resolutions and especially the proposals of late discussed here have been on rather minor issues. Then perhaps the Putzese ambassador should quit waiting for someone else to write a proposal on one of these issues of "grave importance" and do it themself.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

Well, Passport (http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_proposal1/match=passport) and Visa (http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_proposal1/match=visa) proposals are currently on the list, waiting for a few more endorsements ;)

From Representative Borat Sogadiev of Gilabad,

"Hellao!!! It is me again Borat Sogadiev!! I think this proposal is a very nice!! My country has already made arrangements to schedule public executions and ICBM launches to celebrate Max Barry Day!!! I encourage my fellow delegates to persuade their leaders to do similar celebrations in honor of such a great hero as Max Barry!!"


-Borat Sogadiev of Gilabad

Within the past several hours, there have been massive demonastrations across our country whereby numerous groups have claimed to locate this Max Barry and are now proposing to replace the government with him. Also, we have received word that internet connections have collapsed in the south due to insane numbers of "nation-creation" pages being created.

This resolution has caused nothing but trouble in Subistratica, and I fear that it will only get worse in the coming days. I urge all nations to

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Fix your sig - you're limited to eight lines.

How can the mods seriously let this pass?As has been mentioned several times in this thread: we can't do anything about it now that it's up for vote.

What the heck is going on in Subistratica?

--Hector, Prince Infante de Genosha?

We have yet to hear a single argument in favor of this proposal to honor a fictitious man for accomplishments we still cannot understand (and believe me, some of our top historical, political, and etymological scholars have tried) that makes any sense. We are very hard pressed to understand how there are so many votes in support of this proposal except that perhaps many of our (maybe not so) esteemed colleagues do not take the time to read the text of a resolution before they vote on it. This current vote has caused great concerns for myself and other members of the leadership of Relikmere.

Should this resolution pass, because it is impossible for us to implement, we will support any and all attempts to repeal.

If someone has an explanation that makes sense we would love to hear it so we could possibly make sense of what the author and supporters are hoping to accomplish here.


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His Very Royal Highness, Prince Dirk Koller, P.Aff.M.
Deacon Prince & Heir-Apparent of The Constitutional Monarchy of Relikmere
Head of Financial & Constitutional Affairs
Ambassador to the United Nations
Member in the Highest, Royal Order of the Deaconate

We have yet to hear a single argument in favor of this proposal to honor a fictitious man for accomplishments we still cannot understand (and believe me, some of our top historical, political, and etymological scholars have tried) that makes any sense. We are very hard pressed to understand how there are so many votes in support of this proposal except that perhaps many of our (maybe not so) esteemed colleagues do not take the time to read the text of a resolution before they vote on it. This current vote has caused great concerns for myself and other members of the leadership of Relikmere.

Should this resolution pass, because it is impossible for us to implement, we will support any and all attempts to repeal.

If someone has an explanation that makes sense we would love to hear it so we could possibly make sense of what the author and supporters are hoping to accomplish here.


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His Very Royal Highness, Prince Dirk Koller, P.Aff.M.
Deacon Prince & Heir-Apparent of The Constitutional Monarchy of Relikmere
Head of Financial & Constitutional Affairs
Ambassador to the United Nations
Member in the Highest, Royal Order of the Deaconate

The delegate from The Sexy People's Republic of Zilam, argues that this day is a day to give citizens time off to be inspired by the story of this make believe man. From what other delegates have said, this man supposedly created a book, that lead to an worldwide sensation on technological highway. If we can inspire our citizens to be as creative as this fictitious man is perpetuated to have been, then our nations can reap golden ages in knowledge, art, works of literature, and so forth.

I am in favour of this proposal.

- Amir Alquitak Al-Zilam III
Official UN delegate for the Sexy People's Republic of Zilam.

We are afraid we believe that the honourable Delegate is making an assumption as we have seen no evidence of this individual’s actions leading to a “sensation on the technological highway,” the resolution does not speak of this website inspiring citizens.

It merely states that “this is where we are today” which could mean it has a miniscule pool of members or no members at all, there are no facts offered to justify the creation of this holiday for nations that are unaware of his hypothetical achievements. One does not award something of this incredible magnitude to a single individual without a great deal of evidence for all to assess within the proposal.

We believe it is more likely that this resolution is intended to insult nations that worship the god known as Max thus we maintain our position.

Anravelle Kramer,
Envoy of the Planner Faithful
(OOC: Sorry darlings, yet more metageekery.)

Declaring a national holiday in such a case violates the principle of subsidiarity. Individual nation-states must maintain the right to legislate on matters such as these where there is not need for international sanction. In other words, this is simply an example of the UN overstepping its role.

Therefore, I am against this resolution.

cameroi feels that super national soverignty IS a legitimate roll, within strictly and narrowly defined contexts, of a u.n. like organization, possessing bias neither toward nor against the soverignty of any one or several nations, idiologies, beliefs or anything else, any more nor less than any other, but holding the well being of all self awair organizims to be of higher and greater worth then any.

we are slightly curious as to the selection of the date for this particular event. we have no feeling or reservations about this date, though since we use a slightly different calander it will take a bit of anual translation, yet this to is acceptable and of no objection.

we merely wish to ascertain the connection between the date and its subject. is this perhapse its subject's natal day? or does it honor or designate some other event in this being's life? or mearly a day, choosen at random, or for some unrelated aesthetic purpose?

we at any rate, have numbered ourselves among those endorsing the concept.

=^^=
.../\...

At the Palentine delegation, Sen. Sulla is sitting next to a man (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f235/HoratioSulla/R_Piper.jpg) wearing a white T-shirt, with a black panther on the front of it, and a red kilt. The man is chewing some gum and smiling. Sen Sulla leans over and whispers in the man's ear. Both men laugh.

"Esteemed members of this festering snakepit...err...august body we lovingly refer to the UN. I would like to state my governments feelings about this resolution. However,after some thought, have decided to allow my friend, Roddy, to give the response. Take it away Roddy.", Sen. Sulla said.

Roddy, stood up and said,
"Thank you very much Senator. Its a real pleasure to be able to speak for you today. To start off with, this has got to be one of the most asinine and brown-nosing piece of crap that this body has voted on. it doesn't speak well of the general intellegence of the members here. Of course this is the same group that voted to make solar panels manditory, mandate hydrogen vehicles, and wanted to eliminate fossil feul use by 90% in 20 years. There is no reason to mandate an offical holiday. I think the Powers That Be must have been slipping, because this almost reeks of being a joke proposal. Needless to say, The Palentine is against this proposal(however we would be in favor of a Thessadorian Ambassador Appriciation Day). but rather than just saying we are against this I think I should give you people a visual demonstration of what the Palentine thinks of this resolution."

Roddy then placed a steel Chair and a coconut upon the desk. He walked in front of the desk, picked up the coconut, and whistled. Two very large professional wresting types walked in holding 2 UN Gnomes. The gnomes were kicking their little feet in the air, screaming, and trying to wiggle free. the wrestlers stood next to Roddy. He Smiled to the audience and said,
"Heres a taste of our nation's displeasure!"
Roddy then slammed the coconut over the head of the first gnome.
WHAM!!!!CRACK!!!
Pieces of the coconut flew everywhere as it exploded on impact. The Wrestler released the first gnome, who staggered a step or two before falling unconscious. The second gnome had a look of sheer terror on his face as Roddy picked up the folding steel chair.

"NOOOOOOOOO! Don'thitmeI'llbegood! I'magainsttheresolutiontoo!!!!", the gnome yelled in panic, as he was shaking his head.
Roddy paused and asked,

"You're against it, little fella?"

"Yessir!",answered the gnome.

"Then don't worry little guy, I'm not going to hurt you. Put him down, Ace.",
replied Roddy

The wrestler put the gnome down. The frightened gnome stood there hyperventillating. Roddy sudenly got an evil look on his face, and quickly brought the chair down on the Gnome's head.
WHAM!!!!!!!
The gnome staggered and collapsed on his fellow gnome. Roddy grinned evilly at the stunned delegation and grabbed Sen. Sulla's microphone.

"Just when you think you've got all the answers, I change the Questions!", he yelled.
Then he sat back down and returned the microphone to the good senator.

Tzor entered the general assembly still hung over from a three day celebration of manning the hospitality suite for the exemplification of retired officers in Retired WerePenguins. Looking at the resolution currently up for vote, Red Hot hands him a telegram. He studies it carefully, a look of resignation covering his face.

“You know Red Hot,” he finally says, “I have never seen Faithful Navigator Marian Red use the ‘F’ word in an official telegram before.”

“You should have heard her on the phone,” Red Hot replied. “Remember she had to spend all those hours in the ceremony while you were drinking the tequila. She almost used it in every other word, along with ‘blatant real world rules violation’ and ‘moderators.’ She hasn’t been this upset since she got suckered by the Karmikarian bitches to join in the Conch Revolution. So I guess we are voting no?”

“No,” Tzor replied. “We are not voting at all.”

“Why?”

“Because it would be a meaningless vote,” Tzor sighed. “Marian’s instructions are quite explicit. We are to officially submit our resignation on the day the vote closes. So that would void any vote we might have. Heck I might just do it the day before for shits and giggles, after I abuse the bar tab at the stranger’s bar.”

“So we’re out of a job?”

“No; just out of this one. I have a gig doing NaNoWriMo this year and I hear there is an opening for a promoter for women in the role playing market.”

“So what will happen with our UN seat?”

“It is complex,” Tzor replied. “There are many interrelated treaties among the puppets of the Tzorsland Puppet Confederation. I suspect that it may be either another victory for Gatesville, Queen Victoria, or some combination of the two. A policeman’s lot is not a happy one.”

From behind the potted plants a chorus of policemen echo “happy one.”

Umm..maybe this has already been asked, but why March 18th? Is it his birthday? Why not have the day in November when he created this site?

Is it supposed to be e religious holiday? If yes than in what religion? We ask that as we undeestand that thi "Max Barry" is a kind of a creator of our world... So he is a devine figure...
The people of Elven Realm have other believes as to the origin of universe and thus it is hard for us to understand why the UN by its resolution make our nation celebrate this quasi-religious holiday...

I completely don't understand how this bill has received such overwhelming support. Should it pass, and it looks like it will, my country will ignore the outcome.

Sorry, my friend. Compliance is mandatory (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11280703&postcount=5).

And you know, the resolution text actually appears twice in the OP. I hadn't noticed that before.

its not that big a deal to follow. seriously, why is everybody so against it? its just another resolution.

Because this resolution is illegal. The NSUN has laws and rules to preserve its IC existance...violating those rules destroys what fun it retains.

The thing is most people dont actually become part of the U.N. They only join it. They never bother to read the rules. They just think, Oh what a neat idea. We must make it mandatory for them to read the rules and take a test before being able to vote. Lest our country take things into our own hands :sniper:

This is amongst the most worthless waste of effort I've seen from the UN. Given the overwhelming arguments against I am astounded that it is actually passing.

Willy, Ambassador Emeritus for The Gentle Peoples of Outer Micronesia...

Given the overwhelming arguments against I am astounded that it is actually passing.

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I'm not gonna lie...the man should be congratulated, but this proposal breaks the fourth wall so hard its not even funny. I can't say I'm a big fan of a proposal that acknowledges that this is, in fact, just a game and that the UN presented here is just a mockery of the real institution. We all know it, but we don't have to ruin some of the experience because of it.

New Sequoyah votes against this measure. This crosses the line into Real Life, a line not to be crossed by this prestigious body.

Lieut. Gen. John Brown Gordon (Ret.)
UN Ambassador from New Sequoyah

What the heck is going on in Subistratica?

Thank you.
The Council of Nevesá, the highest governing body of Subistratica, launched an investigation into the origins/whereabouts of one "Max Barry" soon after this resolution received the proper number of votes.
During a session of the National Annex, news of the resolution and the search for Mr. Barry was accidentally leaked.
Within hours, hundreds of people claiming to be Mr. Barry came forth, and massive demonstrations and riots occured across the country.
Our communications net collapsed when literally billions of "nation-creation" websites and fictional nation pages were created. The massive influx of traffic caused LILITH to take all of our servers offline, but for unknown reasons this affected the entire net.

I think we deserve to know why this resolution was able to reach quorum and come to a vote when it clearly violates numerous resolution rules. If it passes, how can we be expected to uphold illegal legislation?

Good day.

Eros Tatriel
UN Rep. for Subistratica

I think we deserve to know why this resolution was able to reach quorum and come to a vote when it clearly violates numerous resolution rules.
NS Mods: You want answers?

Subistratica: I think I'm entitled.

NS Mods: You want answers?

Subistratica: I want the truth!

NS Mods: You can't handle the truth!

Son, we live in a world that has frames, and those frames have to be guarded by mods with mice. Who's gonna do it? You?

We have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for "Max Barry Day", and you curse the mods. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what we know. That "Max Barry Day", while tragic, probably prevents illiteracy. And our existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, helps prevent illiteracy.

You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want us guarding those frames, you need us guarding those frames. We use words like honor, code, rules stickies. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline.

We have neither the time nor the inclination to explain ourselves to a nation who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that we provide, and then questions the manner in which we provide it. We would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way. Otherwise, we suggest you pick up a keyboard, and stand a post.

Either way, we don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.


Or you could read the thread, where we've explained it several times already.


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This resolution makes no sense at all, but i voted for it anyways since it sounds cool.

This resolution makes no sense at all, but i voted for it anyways since it sounds cool.

It's people like you that will kill this institution.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

This resolution makes no sense at all, but i voted for it anyways since it sounds cool.

The red button that's labeled "Launch Nuclear Missiles at Valves" makes no sense at all, but I pressed it anyways since it sounds cool.

You see what I did there?

Darren Funkel
Acting Goobergunchian UN Ambassador
Founder, Democratic Underground region

"I suppose I should put in an appearance. This nonsensical drek has no place here, and it will be a permanent blemish on the books, since even if it's repealed, the bloody REPEAL will have to sit in the books forever."

OOC: All hail Max, and all... I mean, this *has* become pretty important to me, but this is just... silly.

Fris: Hee! And I suppose I have to let you get away with misspelling 'honour' given the source :-)

No, you're misspelling. ;)

This is the thin end of the wedge. Mark my words - this is the beginning of the end!

Well, yes, in all the days you've been playing, the UN must have passed something like five resolutions! If anyone ought to know when the end is beginning, it's you.

Having a bit of snark with your coffee, old girl?

Although Bellheim could be the newest of newbies, as we've learned over and over again, one can't really tell from join date and post count.

Though we do suspect Chicken Little could have simply used an umbrella, and the foretellings of the apocalypse are a bit early.

I believe this resolution should be supported. A world wide public holiday, would give every participating nations' workforce a day of rest, thereby increasing their overall productivity. The benefits to the economy, while small, cannot be disregarded. This will also have the effect of making annations populations think their government cares for them more, meaning they are happier, and more likely to accept some of the more evil things we are forced to do to them (note "forced" is used liberally here). happy people are productive people; they are also people who are less likely to rebel.

then why not just have a 'national lets get pissed day'
or a 'national 'let's all be off sick' day

this proposal is illegal, illegitimate, and brownnosed to hell
i shall vote it down in flames

Having a bit of snark with your coffee, old girl?

Although Bellheim could be the newest of newbies, as we've learned over and over again, one can't really tell from join date and post count.

Though we do suspect Chicken Little could have simply used an umbrella, and the foretellings of the apocalypse are a bit early.

Yes, but you can tell from population. 429 million isn't exactly Hackian in it's age!

--( URGENT )--

Noobageddon Nears?

GOOBERGUNCH CITY, GOOBERGUNCHIA -- Citizens of Goobergunchia are cowering in fear this evening as United Nations resolution "Max Barry Day" draws closer to passage. The blatantly illegal resolution is seen by many as the seventh sign of the Noobageddon, a legendary time of great destruction, and nobody has any idea how to stop its passage.

"It's clearly the final sign," commented Leslie Secolet, Professor of Loreology at Besselar University. "We've just had the ADN-NPO reconciliation and the removal of a DoS, so the passage of a blatantly illegal proposal is all we need. Of course, we loreologists been waiting for this kind of thing ever since the Day of Jolt. The Seeds of Noobageddon were first planted on the first of April, 2004, in your Common Era count, and the first sign towards opening the Gates was on the Day of Jolt, ninety Common Days later.

"As for the actual Noobageddon, I wouldn't like to describe it in an interview with a family publication."

If Secolet is correct, the entire world could be in for excitement tomorrow, when "Max Barry Day" is expected to pass. The resolution is currently leading by vote of 4,901 to 2,019, with support extending even to the Democratic Underground delegate - a vote which has caused the High Council to authorize withdrawal of Goobergunchia's endorsement. Goobergunchian UN analysts do not think that feeder delegate votes will be sufficient to sway the vote to failure. The resolution in question is viewed as blasphemy by many traditionalist Goobergunchians, who feel that referring to "Max Barry", a figure considered by them to be the creator of the universe, as a mere man is terribly insulting.

When asked about his views on the resolution, acting Goobergunchian UN Ambassador Darren Funkel shouted something incoherent and expletive-filled at this reporter before running back inside the UN Headquarters. HIs urge to leave was understandable, given the stormy weather outside the building that shows no sign of letting up. Although Goobergunchia has, for the most part, been spared from the storms, the ominous red sky observed from Goobergunch City to Ayala bodes ill for the Liberal Unitary Republic in the opinion of many.

---( EOF )---

This is a waist of time. There are better things to debate about.

Hold on, i cant honestly believe this!

No offence guys, but how much time and effort do people put into this site? How seriously do you people take this?

This site exists purely for recreation, for fun. This is an online game, a GAME, we shouldnt lose sight of that.

It's not like our votes here are going to change the world in any real way, its not like this 'absurd idea' is going to leave any people hungry or cause any violence or anything like that. This isnt the real U.N., this is just something we're all doing for the hell of it. So why not recognise the guy who brought us this game, just for the hell of it.

Voting for.

Sure, being constantly reminded that this is a game may take from the experience. But I honestly feel an exception may be made in this case. He made this game, he's the closest thing this game has to a God, let's recognise that.

Yes, but you can tell from population. 429 million isn't exactly Hackian in it's age!You can't tell from population either. Nothing says the faced nation isn't a "protectorate" of another, older nation "pulling the strings" so to speak.

But onward and upward.... On the horrible chance that this passes and isn't mercifully repealed immediately, how do the many nations plan on celebrating Max Barry Day? The proposal doesn't specify any particular activities after all....

In Rubina, we shall smoke dope, lie on our beautiful beaches watching the pretty colors of the Noobageddon, blow things up, and give thanks for our semi-socialist state. Then again, we do that everyday.

--L.T.

Hold on, i cant honestly believe this!

No offence guys, but how much time and effort do people put into this site? How seriously do you people take this?

This site exists purely for recreation, for fun. This is an online game, a GAME, we shouldnt lose sight of that.

It's not like our votes here are going to change the world in any real way, its not like this 'absurd idea' is going to leave any people hungry or cause any violence or anything like that. This isnt the real U.N., this is just something we're all doing for the hell of it. So why not recognise the guy who brought us this game, just for the hell of it.

Voting for.

Sure, being constantly reminded that this is a game may take from the experience. But I honestly feel an exception may be made in this case. He made this game, he's the closest thing this game has to a God, let's recognise that.

Spirit of the game, meet Kalashnivoka. Kalashnivoka, Spirit of the Game. I don't belive you've been introduced...

the max barry day proposal as it stands now, I as representative of the nation Ptolemai, cannot accept!

The proposal is too unclear :

1. as to wether why march the 18th is chosen
2. wether it is compulsory or not
3. how and why it should be honored and in what manner

On a further note, Ptolemai cannot accept it if it is mandatory. If the holiday requires certain honorific engagements, it may or may not hurt our economy. Every day off, is a day not worked. Furthermore as representative of the glorious nation of Ptolemai, we believe it may or may not contradict, counteract with religious holidays of the inhabitants of other nations and we require a thorough investigation to show evidence of no such counteraction.

Therefore I as representative of the glorious Ptolemai, must vote against this proposal. I now leave the word to my fellow representatives

ESAT prepares for mandatory celebration

As the member states of the United Nations brace themselves for the mandatory implemention of the Max Barry Day proposal, UN gnomes have been spotted lurking outside the building (http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/3567/esat3bdrjx1.jpg) which constitutes the entirety of the nation ESAT (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/ESAT) - the Extraterritorial Sovereign Ariddian Territory, entrusted to represent Ariddia in the UN.

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/2219/gnomeunoo1.jpg
a sneaky gnome just itching to force the Esati into "honouring" some unheard-of website designer - or is he a Cobdenian genderqueer lingerie model?

While Ariddia, as an official non-member, may flout UN law at will, ESAT is bound by mandatory compliance, and sneaky gnomes are awaiting the time to ensure that Max Barry Day is indeed "honoured" in the building/country.

"Yes, but honoured in what way?" Esati leader (and ambassador) Christophe Boco (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Christophe_Boco) has asked, pointing out that the proposal (mercifully) mandates no clear guidelines.

"I think we'll just stick a piece of paper on the inside door of the bathroom of the top floor, where no-one ever goes," a junior Esati official said. "The paper will ask everyone in ESAT to honour the day, and we can take it down at midnight, and that will be that."

The UN gnomes will be invited in to note that the paper is indeed pasted onto the bathroom door, thus putting ESAT in compliance with the United Nations' latest -and hopefully short-lived- resolution.

How could the Mods. . .

Oh, yea, that's been mentioned 812 times so far.




My nation does not believe in a creator but that the world we live in arose on the internet through time and chance. Only the weak minded who need a crutch seriously believe in Max.


Seriously, has it come to this that a proposal like this will pass? We really MUST repeal this prior to March whatever!

What do we do on Max Barry Day?

If this is not repealed immediately, and remains on the books, then Karianis shall select one person among it's citizenry to celebrate. That person will be given the day to eat whatever foods he wishes, as well as various other things such as wine, friendly company, and the like. At the end of the day, unfortunately, he will be given the normal grant, and removed from Karianis as impure, if he does not manage to resist the temptations given him. Perhaps we'll televise it...

Serifina Karin
Ambassador to the United Nations
Sacred Kingdom of Karianis

Sorry, my friend. Compliance is mandatory (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11280703&postcount=5).

Not if you are no longer in the UN before the resolution is approved!

How could the Mods. . .

Oh, yea, that's been mentioned 812 times so far.




My nation does not believe in a creator but that the world we live in arose on the internet through time and chance. Only the weak minded who need a crutch seriously believe in Max.


Seriously, has it come to this that a proposal like this will pass? We really MUST repeal this prior to March whatever!

*the member of Ptolemai interrupts*

We in the glorious nation of Ptolemai believe that it is Al Gore who created the internet and that therefore he should be honoured first, but in what manner is unknown to us.

(OOC, obviously)

The Sanctimonious Region of Hearts has a suggestion for this resolution:

"I challenge the date. It should be ... every third monday of the first month in which there is snow in Canada."

This is ridiculous. It's out of game, so clearly in violation of the rules.

(But, as our region is a democracy, and many of our members have voted for, our region may have to vote for, even though I am personally against)

As for us, it is a general accepted tradition, to drink a beer to our creator and salute him, or chant hail Al.

and it is generally believed that this is an image of the great creator

http://www.80stees.com/images/products/Al_Bundy3.jpg

:eek:
(IC) Well the wording doesn't specify how we are to honor this fictional religious creator myth. So if it passes, I suppose the nations can celebrate as they see fit. If Max Barry is imposed upon my nation, I suppose I could celebrate him by rounding up citizens who worship this Max Barry and offering them up to meet their maker whom they believe to be this fictional Max Barry. We could have balloons, televise it, and even reward the person who rounds up the most Max-Barryians with a financial award and a free trip to the UN who has sponsored this great holiday!!!

(OOC) Does the rules not state clearly that we are not to bring in real people onto this website. If this passes and the moderators do not pull it, then they are not respecting their own rules and proposals that wish to celebrate George Bush or Jesus Christ or Buddha or Dalai Lama or Osama Bin Laden or any various other individuals who are either revered, reviled or tolerated must be given the same treatment as this Max Barry thing.

When you play monopoly you don't change the rules in the middle of the game because one of the players happens to be the creator of the game and you want to honor him by giving him 10% of your monopoly money. That's almost an insult, if you want to honor Max Barry so much, buy his book and show the marketing individuals who thought Max Barry's website idea was a waste was in reality a good move on Max Barry's part. Max Barry should be honored for having an idea for a game that allows people to communicate political ideas with each other in a non-threatening way through roleplaying, lets not ruin his attempt by diluting the rules that make this roleplaying experience a great thing. Respect the rules (moderators and players) otherwise a precedent will be created and you will not like where it leads (good intentions pave the way to where?)

(IC) Wow isn't that fella a bummer? :confused:

Having a bit of snark with your coffee, old girl?

Although Bellheim could be the newest of newbies, as we've learned over and over again, one can't really tell from join date and post count.

Though we do suspect Chicken Little could have simply used an umbrella, and the foretellings of the apocalypse are a bit early.M'dear, while I can by no means divine a player's puppet status, sometimes you can just tell when a drive-by is just a drive-by. (Now watch Bellheim come back and post again, just to make me look stupid.)

And as you very well know, I never take snark with my coffee. However, I do at times indulge in a little coffee with my snark. ;)

If this resolution passes and is actually compulsory, then we as a nation may have to switch our tradition

It'll probably change to a new tradition where we have to praise Barry

from then on people will chant "hail M. Barry full of grace" in the streets. As a representative of Ptolemai, I believe that will cause quite a stir and confusement amongst our population.

OMGTKK ambassador vomits at news photo of naked gnome (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13122643&postcount=158)

UN HEADQUARTERS (Allied Press) --- Bleeeeeaaaaaaaaaarrrgggghhhh!!!!!

OMGTKK ambassador vomits at news photo of naked gnome (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13122643&postcount=158)

UN HEADQUARTERS (Allied Press) --- Bleeeeeaaaaaaaaaarrrgggghhhh!!!!!

It's not naked! It clearly has some sort of hat... uhm, fused into its scalp.

Well, there's no accounting for fashion tastes within the bureaucracy of the UN.

Here, do have a marzipan baby (http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/2781/marzipanbabieszm5.png).

Pierre-Jean Delormebleu (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Pierre-Jean_Delormebleu),
Guy who hangs around with the Ariddian delegation for some unfathomable reason

What do we do on Max Barry Day?

Barry Max, or course. Of course he's not dead yet, so he might object to being buried.

[ic] This really is a most interesting theological view on the creation of the world and its creator. However, the citizens of Loathingish do not take solace in the idea that we are all merely bits of electronic data on one man's computer somewhere. In fact, it has caused rioting and talk of holy war. Granted, most people are just looking for an excuse to riot, but the holy war thing is a new one....

The Kingdom of Loathingish votes no on this proposal, for the safety of the Kingdom.

I am rather amused by this. I thought that Bloody Stupid was the reason many of the proposals got thrown out. Obviously, you have to be part of the right clique to get the Bloody Stupid ones through. I fail to understand how this has got to the voting stage. Its not worded very well and has a spelling mistake too. I hope the voters see sense and drop it into the bin where it belongs. :headbang:

Obviously, you have to be part of the right clique to get the Bloody Stupid ones through. I fail to understand how this has got to the voting stage.

NS Mods: You want answers?

Subistratica: I think I'm entitled.

NS Mods: You want answers?

Subistratica: I want the truth!

NS Mods: You can't handle the truth!

Son, we live in a world that has frames, and those frames have to be guarded by mods with mice. Who's gonna do it? You?

We have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for "Max Barry Day", and you curse the mods. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what we know. That "Max Barry Day", while tragic, probably prevents illiteracy. And our existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, helps prevent illiteracy.

You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want us guarding those frames, you need us guarding those frames. We use words like honor, code, rules stickies. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline.

We have neither the time nor the inclination to explain ourselves to a nation who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that we provide, and then questions the manner in which we provide it. We would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way. Otherwise, we suggest you pick up a keyboard, and stand a post.

Either way, we don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.


Or you could read the thread, where we've explained it several times (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13115311&postcount=83) already.




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-snip-


Dr. Hodz clears his throat loudly, unraveling a role of brown, old parchment.


"Commandment One: Thou shalt speaketh for thyself."

"Commandment Two: That's the way it is, get thyself used to it."

Dr. Hodz rolls up the parchment.

"Thank you. Now I suggest everyone in here grab yourself a drink at the Bar or perhaps even a marzipan baby."

Dr. Hodz walks up to Pierre-Jean Delormebleu, a scepter-like object in his hand. He places it on each of Delormebleu's shoulders.

"I hereby declare you an Official Marzipan Distributor. Here's your license." Hodz says, handing Delormebleu some kind of food distribution license.

Since you already quoted yourself several times.

Either way, we don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

You want to know something, neither do we. But please if you ever think you deserve an ounce of credibility at any time in the future ... well we don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

Trust me, one of the ten most lamest excuses is, "It was my day off."

But please if you ever think you deserve an ounce of credibility at any time in the future ... well we don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
I'm assuming you've never seen Jack Nicholson in "A Few Good Men (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104257/quotes)". If you're gonna be an ass about me being an ass, at least be aware of the context.
Trust me, one of the ten most lamest excuses is, "It was my day off."
Let's see - me spending my weekend helping arrange for nursing care for my Dad's Alzheimer's, versus a lame proposal making it into queue in a web game. You still wanna bitch at me about "my day off"?

-snip-

OOC: Haven't you a shred of respect for the fine men and women that run this website? With all that Fris does, I think he deserves a day off every once and again. And one should not insult those that are higher than oneself.

And one should not insult those that are higher than oneself.

OCC: Yeah, right.

IC: A measure was put to vote yesterday during a special meeting of the Council of Nevesá last night, calling for Subistratica to exit the UN if this resolution passes and adequate measures are not taken to repeal/remove it.

The voting so far is:
-Two Patents for
-One Patent Against
-One Patent and the Sefer have yet to cast their votes
The remaining votes must be cast by the end of Friday. Any votes not cast will be declared as Abstain and will not count. In the event of a tie, it will be up to Sefer Entragon to declare a decision.

Good day.

Eros Tatriel
UN Rep. for Subistratica

Can I just add, who the fuck cares if a stupid proposal slipped past the mark? It can be easily remedied, and even if the repeal fails, so what? This is just a game. The stat changes on your nations aren't very significant, and as for compliance, well, there's not much there for you to comply with, is there? You can pull your head out of your ass now, RWP.

For the record once more, I am against this proposal, and will be actively campaigning for its repeal once the vote is done.

At first, I thought this was a great idea. I mean, Max deserves his own day! But after thinking about it, the conclusion I've come to is this:

Max deserves his own day. No question. Within the game, however, if he's given his own day it should not be for creating the game. This goes against everything I like about this game. It's making me break my No. 1 (as of this moment) NationStates rule: Thou shalt not acknowledge a world beyond NationStates. NationStates is not a game. Within the game, it is a reality.

Give Max Barry his own day? Heck yeah. Give Max Barry a day for creating the game? Heck no. What game? We ought to make up something totally fabulous for him to do (like write a book that is now required reading for all the UN or stop world hunger or, gosh, I don't know), and then give him a day for that.

So, for the record: The Armed Republic of Trysguard will be voting against.

Bravo!!! That is EXACTLY the point Elven Realm was presenting before!!! This Barry Max guy is from a paralel world or something for us, like a god-figure or something. He has never existed in our world.
We might as well suggest a holiday to honor Snowwhite...

"Thank you. Now I suggest everyone in here grab yourself a drink at the Bar or perhaps even a marzipan baby."

Dr. Hodz walks up to Pierre-Jean Delormebleu, a scepter-like object in his hand. He places it on each of Delormebleu's shoulders.

"I hereby declare you an Official Marzipan Distributor. Here's your license." Hodz says, handing Delormebleu some kind of food distribution license.

Delormebleu (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Pierre-Jean_Delormebleu) blushes like a schoolgirl, and shifts his feet.

"Well, gosh... I'd never have thought... That's very kind, Doctor. Very kind, I must say... I'd never expected..." He looked round the General Assembly, beaming. "Have you heard, good friends? This calls for a celebration! Drinks and marzipan babies (http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/2781/marzipanbabieszm5.png) are on me at the Strangers' Bar!"

It would take a miracle to bring down this resolution now so I vow:
If this resolution is not repealed by March 18, my nation will withdraw its UN-membership.

I too have changed my vote upon reflection and reading the rules on proposals. It quite clearly states that a proposal shall not refer to the real world which this one quite blatantly does.

Doesn't make sense. People in an imaginary world should not aknowledge the existance of people in the real world.

Spirit of the game, meet Kalashnivoka. Kalashnivoka, Spirit of the Game. I don't belive you've been introduced...

hehehe... touche my friend, touche.

This proposal is illegal and in fact has been declared such by a moderator.

Thus, in addition to casting our vote against, we call for all for votes to be declared invalid.

A measure was put to vote yesterday during a special meeting of the Council of Nevesá last night, calling for Subistratica to exit the UN if this resolution passes and adequate measures are not taken to repeal/remove it.

The Asylum Manager;13124005']
If this resolution is not repealed by March 18, my nation will withdraw its UN-membership.

OOC: Have I started a trend of threatening to leave the UN if this resolution passes and isn't repealed? I can't say if that's good or bad...

Speaking of which...

IC:
Another vote has been cast...
The votes of all of the Council's Patents are in. The voting is as follows:
Two Patents have voted in support of this measure.
Two Patents have voted against this measure.

The deciding vote has been passed on to Sefer Entragon, head of the Council of Nevesá. If his vote is not entered by the end of Friday, the decision automatically falls on LILITH.
(It is worth noting that, in this situation, the measure would likely pass as LILITH has already expressed her opinion on the situation.)

Good day.

Eros Tatriel
UN Rep. for Subistratica

OOC: Have I started a trend of threatening to leave the UN if this resolution passes and isn't repealed?

Nothing new about it - you just haven't been here long enough to witness the parade of nations, in a state of high dudgeon, leaving in a huff.

Just in case definitions are necessary

http://chromatism.net/current/images/frothing.gif . . . http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/frisbeeteria/123-1.gif

State of High Dudgeon . . . Leaving In A Huff
It's actually quite common, and quite comical.

OOC@Sub: And in case you haven't noticed, one UN member has already resigned, in this very thread. Once upon a time, in a (likely alcohol-induced) State of High Dudgeon, I, too, Left in a Huff, over terrorism legislation, but you know me, I couldn't stay away. :p

Wait, nobody's allowed to leave in a Petulant Snit. Petulant Snit is the only official Ardchoillean space-going vessel, and we don't rent her out.

If this passes and the moderators do not pull it, then they are not respecting their own rules and proposalsThe Moderators can no more delete this thing than you can. Shall I just hack the game code and turn myself into an Administrator for you?

*An older lady walks up to the podium and begins to speak*

Ladies and Gentlemen, I am Caroline Thistletwat founder of the Matrons of Morality. I come before you to warn you of a grave threat to the moral fabric of our nations. That threat is Max Barry Day. Hey, you in the back, stop laughing, I'm serious. This proposal would lead to the creation of a holiday, that leads to people celebrating, which leads to people consuming large amounts of alcohol, which leads to all sorts of immoral behavior, which leads to the very collapse of civilization itself!

I urge all of you to stand up and shout, "We will not allow it!" Vote against Max Barry Day.

Caroline Thistletwat
Founder of MOM

The young prince, swooning over the sight of the older femme fatale, thinks...

"Oh, Madam Thistletwat, if only I could trim your hedges and deflower your buds..."

Ahem....
Nations that threaten to leave if they do not get their way, simply do not trust the inner workings of the NSUN. If they don't, then perhaps it's best if they leave sooner, rather than later...

Snaps at a nearby Genoshan Marine, who quickly hustles to deploy Ye Olde Genoshan Defenestrator

Who's first?

-- Hector, Prince Infante de Genosha

I agree that this holiday should be aproved by all nations i voted for it

All Nations VOTE for Max Barry Day the Founder of this website

The young prince, swooning over the sight of the older femme fatale, thinks...

"Oh, Madam Thistletwat, if only I could trim your hedges and deflower your buds..."umm ... she's nearly 70 (ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Caroline_Thistletwat) ...

aaaaaaaaand?ew...

umm ... she's nearly 70 (ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Caroline_Thistletwat) ...

aaaaaaaaand?

ok now that i look closely, the resolution does mention honoring the real life max barry.

my argument for a max barry day is to honor the creator of the reality named nation states, not the person max barry who walks the planet named earth. the advantage of nation states is that we know who our universe's creator is as our country sprung out of the void or whatever your country is made of.

this is the same max barry who wins the beauty pageants multi-nationally in nations that bans gender inequality. afterall if god joins a beauty pageant who would not vote for him.

also, there is another thing that is wonderful about our max barry, he observes the laws made by his creation. the allmighty barry does not intervene in any of the affairs of the people/ things that lives there. all he does is just enter beauty pageants.

but no, i withdraw my vote and set it to against unless the resolution is for the nation states max barry. i refuse to acknowledge a day to honor something that does not exist.

ew...We are aghast, aghast I repeat, at the blatant ageism displayed even here in this august body. Surely the UN has previously dealt a legal blow to such vile discrimination and if not it most definitely should.

Where would we be without May and December? (But never March-December for we would not run afoul of UNR#22.) The tender flower of May warming the chill December icicle. The hoary Christmas bloom welcoming Spring's own shoots bursting toward the sun. Fine Corinthian leather and the fuzzy ... erm, we've lost our train of thought....

We urge the Kennyites to eschew their learned stereotypeds and expand their horizons or at least their imaginations. ;)

--L.T.

but the eighteenth is my birthday......

The good but slightly unwholesome Sen. Sulla looks at the current vote tally and says to the kilted man next to him,
"I think you're going to need more coconuts, Roddy."

The United Kingdom of Brutland and Norden would like to annoy the NSUN and so we would vote FOR this resolution. :p

Of course, should a repeal come across, we would also vote to repeal. Oh how we love repeals. ;)

Some crazy unauthorized person at the Nord-Brutlandese delegation

"Who are you kidding? The official vote is AGAINST! What are you talking about? And who are you? Why do you claim to represent my country?"

*slaps the crazy unauthorized person and attaches him to a rocket en route to the sky*

"Bon'aventure!"

Maddalena Pedrana
The Deputy Ambassador and the REAL Nord-Brutlandese representative

The young prince, swooning over the sight of the older femme fatale, thinks...

"Oh, Madam Thistletwat, if only I could trim your hedges and deflower your buds..."

-- Hector, Prince Infante de Genosha

*Mrs. Thistletwat walks over to Prince Hector and begins whacking him with her handbag*

You pervert!

Caroline Thistletwat
Founder of MOM

The Genoshan Marines, charged with protecting the young prince, hurriedly rush to the old woman, to protect him from her wild blows...

Hector, baffled at her reaction, thinks: "How the HELL did she know what I was thinking?"

The Genoshan Marines, charged with protecting the young prince, hurriedly rush to the old woman, to protect him from her wild blows...

Hector, baffled at her reaction, thinks: "How the HELL did she know what I was thinking?"

I taught school for nearly 50 years, and during that time I developed a knack for knowing what my students were thinking, as I'm sure Robert will attest to.

Caroline Thistletwat
Founder of MOM

I am for this proposal. No matter how insignificant it may be, it is still a nice idea to pay tribute to the guy who created this awesome website. Everyone is always bitching about politics and Max Berry gave us the chance to control our own, in a gaming sense of course, but it is still fun and entertaining. It's not like this the real UN, give him a break.

I am for this proposal. No matter how insignificant it may be, it is still a nice idea to pay tribute to the guy who created this awesome website. Everyone is always bitching about politics and Max Berry gave us the chance to control our own, in a gaming sense of course, but it is still fun and entertaining. It's not like this the real UN, give him a break.

OOC: Yeah, we should take someone seriously who wants to pay tribute to Max Barry, but couldn't even spell his name correctly. And I think by now we're well aware that this isn't the "real" UN, as so many people have insisted on noting. I think this is another one that Cobdenia needs to introduce to the spirit of the game, and whatnot.

Last UN Decision
The resolution Max Barry Day was passed 6,523 votes to 3,315, and implemented in all UN member nations.

Heh, for your information at least one of the Feeders (TNP) voted for, TWP voted against.

Max Barry Day? This is the most propostorous idea ive ever heard and i will stand against it!

:gundge:
My country will celebrate your UN Max Barry day by invading the weakest military UN country who voted for this resolution to pass!!! We want to honor Max Barry's sense of irony and of the comic with this act of invasion on this most wonderful day that honors this mythical persona. After having replaced the government and occupied the nation for at least the next Max Barry holiday, we will then leave the country to its own devices as they struggle to reorder their nation and hopefully have a government that deals with the here and now of this nation-states world. This is how my country will comply with the very vague resolution that was passed, any country want to join my method of celebration? ;)

The Moderators can no more delete this thing than you can. Shall I just hack the game code and turn myself into an Administrator for you?

:(
Sorry, I assumed the moderators could take out the ruling once the vote was complete, my bad. :eek:

The Queendom of La Akavir does not condone, endorse or agree with any particular religious practice. We ONLY worship the almighty and powerful Kavir and will not be bullied nor extorted into compliance with this idiotic resolution.:upyours:

We will defend our rights to autonomy and atheism against any attempt by any UN commission to enforce compliance. :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper:

So says Queen Akavir

:headbang:
We will celebrate this day by funeral processions reminding our population of the death of common decency when the UN imposes fictional myths about phony creators onto its members who only want to better the world they live in.

If Max Barry truly exists in this world, he himself would find these shenanigans highly amusing and would have voted against this resolution. We will have an area of sympathy reserved for this mythical fictional persona on this day because he will obviously feel saddened by this undue amount of interest given him on this sad day. :(

It appears after 3-4 pages of reading this topic, that the moral guardians all seem to have their panties in a knot.

About 95% of the posts have voted against. Your power must be worth not much, as compared to your grandiose post count, as the resolution passed.

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IC: Should have been written better.

About 95% of the posts have voted against. Your power must be worth not much, as compared to your grandiose post count, as the resolution passed.

You are absolutely right Quaquaquaquaqua - any amout of cleverness and civilisation can be undone by just a single idiot, and there are thousands of them in the UN...

The Ambassador from Putzi

i think its a great idea and would mack a great holiday :)

At 3:32p, Sefer Entragon officially declared that he would abstain from voting. As a result, the responsibility of making a decision went to LILITH.
LILITH cast her vote as FOR.
Thus, the measure to leave the UN if action is not taken to repeal/remove this horrid resolution.

Starting tomorrow, Subistratica will wait for 15 days. If adequate action against this measure, as determined by the Council of Nevesá, is not taken by then, the nation of Subistratica will officially withdraw its UN membership.

We thank you for your cooperation.
The Council of Nevesá
Sefer Kael Entragon
Patent Lendeniel Siles-Vadice
Patent Felicity Morrowsithe
Patent Eros Tatriel, UN Representative
Patent Lydia Symmerck

The Queendom of La Akavir does not condone, endorse or agree with any particular religious practice. We ONLY worship the almighty and powerful Kavir and will not be bullied nor extorted into compliance with this idiotic resolution.

We will defend our rights to autonomy and atheism against any attempt by any UN commission to enforce compliance.

So says Queen Akavir

A) You lost that right when you clicked the Join button. Your national calendars and holiday schedules have already been upgraded to reflect the new day.

B) Not only do the UN Gnomes have 100% diplomatic immunity in all UN nations, they're really really fast. Nothing and nobody in your nation could have possibly stopped them, as they seem to move at speeds nigh unto that of electrons.

C) Welcome to the UN.

D) Lose the stupid sniper and upyours smilies - they make you look like an idiot.

Dr. Hodz,
Will you join me in ejecting nations whose complaints warrant them being thrown from the windows of their offices and strewn across the parking lot like marzipan babies on a baking sheet?

Smiles, as the Ambassador from Putzi is handed a ticket from a page that reads: "One-Way ticket on Ye Olde Genoshan Defenestrator, First Class"

-- Hector, Prince Infante de Genosha

At 3:32p, Sefer Entragon officially declared that he would abstain from voting. As a result, the responsibility of making a decision went to LILITH.
LILITH cast her vote as FOR.
Thus, the measure to leave the UN if action is not taken to repeal/remove this horrid resolution.

Starting tomorrow, Subistratica will wait for 15 days. If adequate action against this measure, as determined by the Council of Nevesá, is not taken by then, the nation of Subistratica will officially withdraw its UN membership.Thank you sincerely for supporting my repeal, but your repeated threats of resignation are useless. If the repeal fails, it fails. Neither the delegacy is going to approve it, nor the General Assembly pass it, just to keep you in the UN. The rank and file is rather heartless that way. And, as always, if my repeal bites the dust, you're always welcome to introduce your own. You don't have to wait for others to save your membership status.

Although roleplay of this type is pretty fun, I have to admit.

whats th epurpose of celebrating max barry day what do the nations get in return:sniper:

Thank you sincerely for supporting my repeal, but your repeated threats of resignation are useless. If the repeal fails, it fails. Neither the delegacy is going to approve it, nor the General Assembly pass it, just to keep you in the UN. The rank and file is rather heartless that way. And, as always, if my repeal bites the dust, you're always welcome to introduce your own. You don't have to wait for others to save your membership status.

Although roleplay of this type is pretty fun, I have to admit.

OOC: Eh, highly doubt I'd be able to come up with a good repeal. Political writing isn't one of my better skills.
And I'm not expecting anyone to be like, "DON'T LEAVE!" Though I am prepared to leave it if I have to.
If I do, I might return someday... maybe.

A) You lost that right when you clicked the Join button. Your national calendars and holiday schedules have already been upgraded to reflect the new day.

But neither of our nation's calendars has a March 18th.

Dr. Hodz,
Will you join me in ejecting nations whose complaints warrant them being thrown from the windows of their offices and strewn across the parking lot like marzipan babies on a baking sheet?

Smiles, as the Ambassador from Putzi is handed a ticket from a page that reads: "One-Way ticket on Ye Olde Genoshan Defenestrator, First Class"

-- Hector, Prince Infante de Genosha

Eh, why not. About time I gave those cleanup guys something to clean up.

A) You lost that right when you clicked the Join button. Your national calendars and holiday schedules have already been upgraded to reflect the new day.

An easily remedied mistake!

B) Not only do the UN Gnomes have 100% diplomatic immunity in all UN nations, they're really really fast. Nothing and nobody in your nation could have possibly stopped them, as they seem to move at speeds nigh unto that of electrons.

So of course this means that on resignation, these Gnomes are then fair game. They should make good fodder for our native Fyre Dragons. And as it is commonly known that Gnomes have very short stubby legs they will never be able to outrun the swift and sleek Fyre Dragon

C) Welcome to the UN.

see response to remark A.

D) Lose the stupid sniper and upyours smilies - they make you look like an idiot.

(OOC)Thank you for your witty and erudite welcome to my first post. So others can participate and post IC with no problem but your response to me is to be rude.

C'est la vie! But there is certainly no reason for me to give you a second opportunity. So I leave to you your enjoyment. But if I may comment, if you, as moderator, find the smilies offensive then approach the game developers as they saw fit to include them in the smiley list.

To all nations that are sick and tired of this pompous body known as the UN dictating minutia in our sovereign nations; if you are tired of their attempts to undermine our individuality in their attempts to create a one world government, then destroy the "unity" of this organization. Join me in sending them a message. If enough of us say, "enough is enough" and leave en masse, they will weaken through their own inbreeding and die the slow death of banal commonality and conformism.

But neither of our nation's calendars has a March 18th.

They do now.

(OOC)But if I may comment, if you, as moderator, find the smilies offensive then approach the game developers as they saw fit to include them in the smiley list.
You may have noticed that we're members of a much larger forum, and that forums are not necessarily part of the game. NationStates doesn't own the forums, Jolt does. Oh, and thanks for the lecture. Always nice to be lectured by someone who can't be bothered to notice how things have worked for the last five years before telling us how to fix them.

To all nations that are sick and tired of this pompous body known as the UN dictating minutia in our sovereign nations; if you are tired of their attempts to undermine our individuality in their attempts to create a one world government, then destroy the "unity" of this organization. Join me in sending them a message. If enough of us say, "enough is enough" and leave en masse, they will weaken through their own inbreeding and die the slow death of banal commonality and conformism.Oh, and all the pretty green text just makes me want to do it more! :rolleyes:

OOC: you know, there's a reason why we real-life politicos refer to the regular clutch of letters gravely informing us that the sky is falling as "green ink letters". Thanks to La Akavir, now you know too.

You may have noticed that we're members of a much larger forum, and that forums are not necessarily part of the game. NationStates doesn't own the forums, Jolt does.And, for what it's worth, I did complain about the emoticons (and the post icons) when we were beta testing the new layout and Jolt's forums. The reply was the nicest "tough shit" I've ever received.

*Looks very closely at the text of this resolution*

"Loophole!
This resolution only calls for 'Max Barry Day' to be celebrated as an "international" holiday, and [b]not as a "national" one in the UN member-nations too... so we might have to "celebrate" it here at the UN itself if no repeal is passed before next 18th March, as this is an "international" venue, but I can see no any actual obligation imposed to introduce it into each of our national calendars as well..."

Alfred Devereux Sweynsson MD,
Ambassador to the United Nations
for
The Protectorate of The St Edmundan Antarctic
(and still required to wear this confounded penguin costume...)

Dr. Hodz,
Will you join me in ejecting nations whose complaints warrant them being thrown from the windows of their offices and strewn across the parking lot like marzipan babies on a baking sheet?


Tsssk. Marzipan babies should not be strewn.


Pierre-Jean Delormebleu,
PDSRA

Well if Max can have his holiday, I think its time for another holiday....

Thessadorian Ambassador Appreciation Day
a resolution ecouraging education and the arts

Category: Education and creativity
area of effect: Education
Proposed by: Palentine UN Office

Whereas for many years the Thessadorian Ambassador has brought great joy to some members of the UN.

Recognizing the unique perspective the Thessadorian Ambassador's..... ummmm...assets bring to the august Halls of the UN.

Understanding that there has been a small cry to "free the Thessadorians" from some UN members.

Recognizing that true beauty sometimes needs appreciated in times of international ugliness.

Hoping for more visits to this august body, by the Thessadorian Ambassador, this document sets forth May 1st as the Thessadorian Ambassador Appreciation Day.

Authored by the good but slightly unwholesome Sen. Sulla

Excelsior,
Sen. Horatio Sulla
Palentine UN office

Hoping for more visits to this august body, by the Thessadorian Ambassador,

OOC: ...and more visits to the august body of the Thessadorian Ambassador.

This looks like a proposal everyone should be able to support. :D

Our esteemed ambassador to the UN, Sir Albert, can't see what the fuss is about, after all it's a celebration. We can all just go down the pub, some of us can drink to this Max chap, the rest of us can drink the issue out of our minds.

Our only issue is prioritising the reasons we have to go to the pub that day.

But neither of our nation's calendars has a March 18th.

They do now.

...

Okay. Where do we put it?

Cobdenia has fiddled about with it's calenders in such a way that March the 18th does not happen every year (most of the time it skips from the 17th to the 19th), and is used when needed. Which, as February the 29th is used in preference to the 18th of March, isn't very often (I think it's about every 100,000 years). It's only when we need teo extra days in a year that it is needed.

After all, the resolution doesn't say the event has to be celebrated yearly.

Roll on the year 43,567

Where do we put it?

You ..... really don't want me to answer that ...

...

Okay. Where do we put it?

Display it prominently on a wall?

HotRodian UN Representative
Accelerus Dioce

Yuoo knoo, noo thet zee UN hes pessed oone-a resulooshun declereeng un interneshunel huleedey, perheps it's teeme-a tu doost ooffff my oold Veesel Stumpeeng Dey (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=522793) prupusel. Bork Bork Bork!

http://www.thenest.nu/archive/scam_letters/swedish_chef_02.jpg
Sven
Bob Flibble's personal chef