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The Grand Duchy of Elven Realm is a nation very strongly bound with the nature that surrounds us. The woodland landcape and creatures are the greatest gift our ancestors have left us. Thus, we would strongly desire to ask the UN asssembly to consider the below proposal.

The Grand Duchy of Elven Realm (in the future the UN as well we hope):

CALLS ON the member nations to prepare a list of 100 most endangered animal species and 100 most endangered plant species (100/100 list) that would be unconditionally protcted by law world-wide, no matter the importance of those species in particular UN nations
NOTICES that a large number of varied national lists of that kind do not stop the devastation of the planet's fauna and flora
CALLS ON the authorities of the UN nations to prepare special law penalizing heavily everyone commiting the crime against any of the 100/100 list
CALLS ON the UN assembly to impose heavy political sanctions against any member nation that supports any act of murder against any of the positions from the 100/100 list
URGES the UN members to take proper steps towards preserving the natural environment of our planet
SUGGESTS the debate aiming at choosing the United Nations' representative animal emblem that would stand for the UN's devotion to the fight against the world-wide oblivion of environmental issues


signed: The Lord of The Grand Duchy of Elven Realm

Go ahead propose it i will vote for it

Welcome to the UN,Elven Realm. You've done the sensible thing in asking for advice before you submit your proposal. Other players will help you sort out the details, so I'll just stick to just these things:

One, check to make sure that your idea isn't already covered by existing resolutions. This link (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Index_of_UN_Resolutions) will help.

Two, be clear what you're asking the UN to do. (F'rinstance, the last clause of this proposal actually asks the UN to choose an international animal symbol. That would be better in a separate proposal.)

Just a couple of things to add to the good advice from the lady in the marvelous blue hat....

When you check out the existing resolutions, pay particular attention to one called "UNCoESB". It's easy to miss because of the odd title, and it has a lot to do with your subject-matter.

Also, it would be a good idea for you to check out the "Rules for UN Proposals", stickied at the top of this forum. Make sure you read the rules on Contradiction, Duplication, and Branding carefully.

And welcome to the UN. It's always nice to see new members getting involved and working to make a contribution.

Travilia E. Thwerdock
Ambassador to the United Nations

The Grand Duchy of Elven Realm would strongly like to thank the above ambasadors for valuable remarks concernig both the matter of the proposal itself and the shortcomings of the formal sides of introducing the proposal.

We would also be grateful for any other omments concerning this burning, according to us, issue.



signed: The Lord of The Grand Duchy of Elven Realm

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On behalf of the People's Democratic Social Republic of Ariddia, the Extraterritorial Sovereign Ariddian Territory, and more particularly my delegation, I would like to welcome the representatives of the Grand Duchy of Elven Realm to the United Nations.

May the blessings of Compadria's otters be upon you.

Ariddia -sorry, I mean of course ESAT (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/ESAT)- supports the principle of this proposal. However, a few comments:


The Grand Duchy of Elven Realm (in the future the UN as well we hope):


You would need to rephrase this, and remove the reference to your nation, as this constitutes illegal branding. Change it simply "The United Nations".


CALLS ON the member nations to prepare a list of 100 most endangered animal species and 100 most endangered plant species (100/100 list) that would be unconditionally protcted by law world-wide, no matter the importance of those species in particular UN nations


The spelling of "protected" needs to be corrected (typo).

Change "that would be" to "that will be" if you want to give this teeth.

The phrasing needs to be made unambiguous. Does each nation nominate 200 species, or is it 200 species for the UN as a whole? If the latter, how is the decision made?

However, I'm certain some delegations will express concern at this. What does "unconditional protection" mean? Does it extend to a ban on killing for self-defence?


CALLS ON the UN assembly to impose heavy political sanctions against any member nation that supports any act of murder against any of the positions from the 100/100 list


I understand the sentiment here, but some delegates may object to the destroying of lichen being categorised as "murder".


signed: The Lord of The Grand Duchy of Elven Realm

Remove (branding).


Julien Quan (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Julien_Quan),
Deputy Ambassador to the United Nations,
PDSRA

The Grand Duchy of Elven Realm pays major attention to any remarks concerning our proposal. Bearing in mind all the so far pointed concerns, especially the ones by Julien Quan, Deputy Ambassador to the United Nations (which we are vastly grateful for), the new version of the proposal is as follows:



The United Nations:

CALLS ON the member nations to prepare a collective list of 100 most endangered animal species and 100 most endangered plant species (100/100 list) that will be unconditionally protected by law world-wide, no matter the importance of those species in particular UN nations
NOTICES that a large number of varied national lists of that kind do not stop the devastation of the planet's fauna and flora
CALLS ON the authorities of the UN nations to prepare special law penalizing heavily everyone commiting the crime against any of the 100/100 list
CALLS ON the UN assembly to impose heavy political sanctions against any member nation that supports any act of extermination of any of the positions from the 100/100 list
URGES the UN members to take proper steps towards preserving the natural environment of our planet
SUGGESTS the debate aiming at choosing the Unit



As far as Julien Quan's concern about the phrase "unconditionally" - we believe that the message is the most important and that such acts as ocasional self-defence against any of the 100/100 list species would be wisely judged by a national court of any UN memebr nation.
Thus, The Grand Duchy of Elven Realm woudl like to leave that point of the proposal unchanged.
However, we are still waiting for any further seggestions, before submitting our proposal.

signed: The Lord of The Grand Duchy of Elven Realm

Would setting a time period or time for updating the list be helpful in the resolution? The list of endangered and even extinct species is subject to change, so having a resolution that provides for updating the list would be good in the long run.....

I believe that there are some potential snags with this, especially in regards to the crime and punishment part.... For instance, if a species goes extinct are nations that 'house' the species 'supporting' extermination and subject to sanctions?
Also, I agree that the use of 'unconditional' protection puts judges in a tight spot with interpretation as there isn't any condition, like self-defense, that is allowed according to the law as it is worded.... (I think the resolution maintains protection when removing 'unconditionally' and keeping the phrase "no matter the importance...")

Also, I understand the 'collective list' to be one list of 100/100. correct?

Thanks for your efforts with this proposal and good luck.

Carson Majun, Renastere Council of Leaders -Environment
(currently assisting Frege Gott with UN duties)

The Grand Duchy of Elven Realm pays major attention to any remarks concerning our proposal.And yet, you apparently ignored the remarks concerning how your proposal's focus on endangered species duplicates the existing United Nations Conservation of Endangered Species Bill (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9692854&postcount=120). So let's go through your proposal piece by piece, and I'll show you exactly how your proposal duplicates the UNCoESB.

The United Nations:

CALLS ON the member nations to prepare a collective list of 100 most endangered animal species and 100 most endangered plant species (100/100 list) that will be unconditionally protected by law world-wide, no matter the importance of those species in particular UN nationsThis, except for the part about plants, is covered by UNCoESB's Article 1. Furthermore, the UNCoESB's list doesn't have a maximum to it, which makes it better than your idea, and here's why. The UN has about 21,000 member nations right now. If each nation has 1 species on the brink of extinction, that makes for a list of 21,000 species that are protected, your proposal wouldn't even protect a tenth of that number.
NOTICES that a large number of varied national lists of that kind do not stop the devastation of the planet's fauna and floraThe UNCoESB's list does, read Articles 5, 6, and 7.
CALLS ON the authorities of the UN nations to prepare special law penalizing heavily everyone commiting the crime against any of the 100/100 listI refer you once again to UNCoESB's Article 7.
Article 7: Full Escalation.

Where a Species of animal has come dangerously close to world extinction levels, The UN shall impose a Full escalation of Protection to the species. All hunting of the species shall be expressly forbidden. Full funding shall be granted for the escalation of steps to conserve the species and to rebuild its population to an acceptable level for the species to recover. Criminal charges shall be brought against any individual or group in contravention to this.
CALLS ON the UN assembly to impose heavy political sanctions against any member nation that supports any act of extermination of any of the positions from the 100/100 listLast time I checked we couldn't impose sanctions on a nation.
URGES the UN members to take proper steps towards preserving the natural environment of our planet
SUGGESTS the debate aiming at choosing the UnitOK, I'll admit that I have no clue what you mean by this last line.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

Last time I checked we couldn't impose sanctions on a nation.I think sanctions are in a gray area of the ruleset. At the very least, we don't like 'em.

I think sanctions are in a gray area of the ruleset. At the very least, we don't like 'em.

I know at the very least we can't impose them via resolution. The whole "must affect all UN nations equally" deal.

In light of the remarks by Flibbleites, I would like to say that, if submitted, this proposal will not receive the support of myself or my nation.

Good day.

Eros Tatriel
UN Rep. for Subistratica

Honorable delegats,
We have noticed that the most trublesome issues about our proposal deal with its duplicating the already existing resolution and also the matter of the number 100 and the point about sanctions.

As far as it duplicating the already existing reslution we believe that the suggested by us proposal and teh existing one would remind and complement each other in no harmful way.

As far as the number 100 goes, we are very happy that the delegats consider the number to be too small. Its goal was purely symbolic and also we were afraid that a larger ammount would make more nations to vote no. Tat is why in our new version we simply precise what we mean by "endangered species" and all the species that fulfil tat criteria would be put on the list.

Thirdly, we have noticed some fears concening the point about enposing political sanctions. We understand your conerns and are glad to announce that this point's aim was to show the seriousness of the matter that the proposal should have according to the people of The Grand Duchy of Elven Realm. Thus, we have nowe deided to delete that point, as actually it is unnecessery as even without it, it remains obvious that for breaking any of the UN resolutions a nation may be penalized in such way.

Thus, the current version of the resolution is as follows:


Wise suggestions. bearing them in mind (and also the ones from UN forum) the new version is as follows.


The United Nations:

CALLS ON the member nations to prepare a list of the most endangered animal and plant species that would be protected by law world-wide, no matter the importance of those species in particular UN nations
NOTICES that an endangered species is the one that has dipped below 15% of its peak population (in modern history) worldwide.
SUGGESTES that the list would be updated every 10 years as the matter of endangered species is a subject to change with time
NOTICES that a large number of varied national lists of that kind do not stop the devastation of the planet's fauna and flora
SUGGESTS that if one nation/region has an overpopulation of a species considered an endangered species by the world the UN would then fund a program to capture said species in the overpopulated nation/region to be released into the wild in a suitable location.
CALLS ON the authorities of the UN nations to prepare special law penalizing heavily everyone commiting the crime against any positions from the list
URGES the UN members to take proper steps towards preserving the natural environment of our planet
SUGGESTS the debate aiming at choosing the United Nations' representative animal emblem that would stand for the UN's devotion to the fight against the world-wide oblivion of environmental issues


P.S.

"Also, I understand the 'collective list' to be one list of 100/100. correct?"

Yes, that is exactly what we mean.



"OK, I'll admit that I have no clue what you mean by this last line."

It was a clear missprint, deahonorable delegate . The line is now completed




signed: The Lord of The Grand Duchy of Elven Realm

As far as it duplicating the already existing reslution we believe that the suggested by us proposal and teh existing one would remind and complement each other in no harmful way.

Sorry, but it doesn't work that way here. If your proposal matches a previosuly passed proposal, we delete it. Please read the rules sticky more carefully, particularly the section on duplication and contradiction.