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I think the UN is dictating to much. The UN is intended to work for International Peace and to Solve International Disputes, I say the UN Dictates to much to its member nations. Things like requiring all nations to use the metric system, and UNITED NATIONS RESOLUTION #216 requiring all nations to protect all historical sites is going to far it should be up to the individual nations to decide items like
'UNITED NATIONS RESOLUTION #210'

Forest Management
A "Resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry."

Items like that are a slap in the face to industrial nations things like that should be up to the nations themselves.

Nsun =/= Rlun

Well all resolutions can be repealed then you don't have to follow them. Just submit and get approved the repeal and it a done deal. Until somebody puts in one that realy locks things up.

Then the other choice is to get out of UN and be free of the dictatorship it is, or you think it has become. The UN functions on ideas that members have and if enough of them want it they vote on it. Dictatorships don't allow you to even speak out in most cases let alone vote.



A lot of the current resolutons do little to mandate much however since they are in place they protect rights even some promote industry or protect it.. It may seem they don't but look close at some of the ones you have and then think what might get on the table and passed in regards to those areas they there in...... Many resolutions end up a compromise between the good and bad of an issuse and protect both sides that why they got passed not because they took sides. In a dictatorship there is only one side. In your case industry would be the wining side and only one to have any say thus a dictatorship based on industrual controling it all.

Xiopia MeNassimor,
Minister of Industry Cavirra,
CEO Cavirrian Penguin Farms

when you sign up to the UN, you know what you're getting into........

besides just say no to everything and claim soveriegnity.

First, if you don't like the UN, you don't join the UN.
Second, this isn't a proposal. So why is it even here?
Third, your use of run-on sentences is frustrating.

Good day.

Eros Tatriel
UN Rep. for Subistratica

I think the UN is dictating to much.

Who, or what, is "much"? How can it be dictated to?

You sound confused. If you're not happy in the UN, the General Assembly has many windows you can leave from.

Here, have a marzipan baby (http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/2781/marzipanbabieszm5.png). You'll feel better for it.


http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6495/delelormebleuym4.jpg
Pierre-Jean Antoine Delormebleu (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Pierre-Jean_Delormebleu)

Such a welcoming crowd. The delegate OP is stating that the UN should focus on International Peace and all of you yahoos just tell him to leave via jumping out a window. Way to go.

Who, or what, is "much"? How can it be dictated to?

You sound confused. If you're not happy in the UN, the General Assembly has many windows you can leave from.

Here, have a marzipan baby (http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/2781/marzipanbabieszm5.png). You'll feel better for it.


http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6495/delelormebleuym4.jpg
Pierre-Jean Antoine Delormebleu (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Pierre-Jean_Delormebleu)


PS- Those babies aren't made of marzipan.

Second, this isn't a proposal. So why is it even here?

It's not all UN, UN, UN, you know (to quote a justly famous line). We don't always stick to proposals. We can talk about the rules, or the categories, or the game, or our offices, or our reps, or improvements, or general principles ... just not too General, otherwise it turns into an essay and gets moved there.

<snip>"Resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry." Items like that are a slap in the face to industrial nations ...<snip>

That item was written to fit in the category that says "A Resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry". The writer didn't say it, the game's inventor Max (*raises hat respectfully*) did. Look:

Environmental

A resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry.

Precisely what it sounds like. Any Environmental resolution will cause a hit to your industries while improving the environment. Any proposal written for this category should preferably talk about industry having to somehow pay for environmental improvements. Of course, this could be abstracted by saying that the government taxes industry more to implement an environmental plan of some kind.

In other words, that line you object to is in the resolution because the rules said it had to be there. You can read about the other categories in this sticky at the top of the forum menu. You may not like them, you may want to argue at length about exactly what they mean, but in the long run, they're just there.

Such a welcoming crowd. The delegate OP is stating that the UN should focus on International Peace and all of you yahoos just tell him to leave via jumping out a window. Way to go.

The honourable and semi-literate delegate of Albalast believes "the UN is intended to work for International Peace and to Solve International Disputes". He is mistaken on at least two counts.

First, the UN has no pre-established mandate. It is "intended" to do whatever the General Assembly decides, within certain limits.

Second, the United Nations is not designed to solve specific international disputes, and has no authorisation to do so.


Christophe Boco (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Christophe_Boco),
Ambassador to the United Nations,
PDSRA

Indeed, if the UN is designed to do anything (and we would concur with Ambassador Boco that in general it is not), then it is precisely designed to dictate to its member nations. Since it is the member nations who are doing the dictating, as in any democracy, and member nations who disagree with the majority sufficiently greatly are free to leave at any time without diplomatic repercussions, it is hardly reasonable to consider this as a problem.

My point was that if a nation wishes to be apart of the UN to shape and mold it to a point of view that gives nations more sovereignty then the automatic reaction from some is to say GTFO. Just because the OP says to back off from delegating decrees which he believes should be up to the individual nations to decide is no reason to tell them to leave.

There's a very easy way to achieve independence from the UN, for those member states who are so inclined. Just go through that big door with the "EXIT" sign over it. You will soon find the path.

But if you're inclined to stay, hopefully you have enough common sense to realize that, by joining a body whose very function is to decide as a unified body what "rules", as it were, will apply to its members, you're specifically asking to be dictated to, at least to some extent. If you don't like the level of...um..."guidance" you're receiving, make your arguments against resolutions you're opposed to convincing ones.

Ikir Askanabath, Acting Ambassador

UN In Shambles-Rioting Ensues
UN BUILDING, UNITED NATIONS - Large scale rioting was narrowly averted today as the UN's Peacekeeping Guard was forced to disperse the growing crowds clustering at the entrances of the UN Rotunda, provoking further agitation from the assembled protesters. Thirty-eight protesters were arrested, with four of them having to be rushed to hospital, alongside two wounded UN Guards.

The past two weeks has seen increasing numbers of vocal advocates and opponents of the UN. Many are angered by the apparent lack of UN Initiative to get anything done, with no resolutions on the table in the last week and all potential resolutions are far away from coming to an resolution. Citing increased security concerns, the UN's small but well trained Guard Force attempted to relocate the crowds, which in turn sparked tense confrontations.

"The blue guards started telling everyone to clear the doors, and then people started shouting back. They [the protesters] tried to push back, and that's when the rifles came out," said eyewitness Lia Reicheds, a UN clerk who had to weather the crowds to get into work.

The Blue UN Guards, brandishing their ceremonial yet effective rifles, fired stun blasts into the crowds, targeting the most aggressive of the activists. Protesters tried to fight back, throwing placards and Stones at the guards. In the rush of the stampeding crowd, four of the stunned activists were crushed.

Two Senate Guards that attempted to extricate the wounded were then attacked with clubs. Lt. Anjanette Rosita and Lt. Troyes Mulleshar sustained blunt trauma injuries before their assailants were stunned into submission.

The entire incident spanned over an hour before order was restored. The north landing, which leads to the UN Rotunda's largest entrance, is now under the watchful eye of 50 UN Guards and Six Platoons of Multinational Peacekeeping Forces.

The majority of the arrested demonstrators were students from the University of Sillia's Southern Campus, who were there to protest the lack of UN achievement at anything, . The remainder of the group has relocated to the smaller, western landing.

"We are a peaceful demonstration," stressed Ishim Ti a Female student over a loud-speaker. "Don't let these warmongers provoke you to lowering yourselves to their level."

"While I regret that it had to turn violent, my guards acted per orders and are to be commended," said Jessa Cloture, Captain of the Senate Guard. "We have a responsibility to the representatives of the World. We have hundreds of delegates arriving in the coming days, and we have to make sure they are safe, and to do so, we have to clear those entryways."

An estimated 7,000 activists are gathered along the circumference of the Senate grounds, most of them protesting the UN's Slowness at achieving anything, and the fact there is no new resolution in sight to be voted on. A pro-UN faction is considerably smaller, but no less committed to voicing their views -- views that have broken out into isolated brawls along the concourse. The UN Guard has more than tripled security in the past week.

Further crowding the grounds are all manner of fringe activist groups using the opportunity to spread their messages. The People's Inquest has transplanted their makeshift camp from the steps of the UN Peace Temple to the UN Plaza alongside a number of illegal activist groups, such as the Dugs for Democracy.

"It's a zoo out there," said UNG Director Armand Isard. "We've got thousands of people, here, and that just compounds our security concerns. We are just moving them away from the gates, and not ‘rounding up agitators' or ‘restricting their rights to assemble or voice their opinions,' despite their more colorful claims."

In this seeming lack of UN competence many member worlds have threatened or already have resigned from the UN Chambers for good. The Trade Unions Representative stated "Even if the UN does set forward a resolution it will be another joke one like the infamous 'UNITED NATIONS RESOLUTION #210 Forest Management Act' that was made to 'increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry.' Not only do UN resolutions get nothing done when they do something its always at industry's expense. The Trade Union is Based Off industry and commerce exactly what the UN Hates."
Later in the Press conference he stated that the Trade Union Would Consider Leaving the UN.

While that's a fairly well-written roleplay post, you've already broached the subject in the UN forum, though you appear to have simply ignored the counterarguments. To make it a wee bit easier, I've merged your old and new threads. In future, don't post the same roleplay thread in both International Incidents and UN (and I don't mean make minor variants and post in both places - pick one and stick with it).

You've made certain assumptions about the NS UN that simply aren't true. There's no UN feature called the Senate. We don't have peacekeeping forces. They don't wear blue helmets. They don't carry ceremonial stun rifles. While you're welcome to make up your own roleplay concept of the UN, it would probably be better to do that in II, as we've got our own little five-year-running roleplay already in place here.

UN HEADQUARTERS (Allied Press) --- Staffers at the OMGTKK Mission to the United Nations were reportedly laughing their asses off Thursday over a suspect news article claiming riots were breaking out at the United Nations because of "an apparent lack of UN Initiative to get anything done."

"These people are actually mad because the UN isn't doing anything?!" aids quote former Amb. Sammy Faisano saying as he collapsed to the floor, struggling to regain his breath. "What? They like UN tyranny or something?"

While cameras weren't present at OMGTKK offices for the Kennyites' reaction, witnesses say the laughter sounded something like this (http://youtube.com/watch?v=iLoGpBYnCeA).

And the giggles did not subside as the staffers went about their business at UN Headquarters Thursday evening, as they would occasionally break into fits of laughter in the halls, in the General Assembly, in the Strangers' Bar, in the Albalastans' faces.

"You have to consider the source (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13102823&postcount=1)," said one unnamed intern. "Just yesterday these guys were complaining that the UN does too much; now they're saying people are rioting because it's doing too little."

One staff member professing not to be amused was Deputy Amb. Cdr. Jenny Chiang. "I am concerned about the news story's citation of UN security forces," she said as she desperately searched the former ambassador's office for her sense of humor. "The question is, when were they created? And why weren't member states told? It's a sure sign that the gnomes' lust for ruling over us all by force is real and dangerous."

The commander, a Paradise City resident, rolled her eyes as she was shown video footage, supposedly of the riots outside. "Amateurs," she scoffed.

Chiang placed little importance on reports that "Trade Union" would leave the UN over inaction. "Like we haven't heard that before," she said. "The Schwarzchildren were braying for months about how they were leaving the UN, but they never shut up about it."

The Gobbannaen UN embassy was frankly gob-smacked. Not at the demonstration outside the UN building -- most of mission had been civil servants quite long enough to spot an orchestrated riot a mile off, as Permanant Undersecretary Cerys Coch tartly remarked when the ambassador rather naively expressed surprise at the crowds. Not even at the news reportage that one enterprising intern had pirated off the Albalastian broadcasters -- even the ambassador had recognised that as bought and paid for by industrial interests. No, the thing that had the entire mission agog was the Blue Guard.

"Do we know any blue-skinned humanoids in the UN?" Prince Rhodri asked. Nobody even mentioned the possibility of them being actually employed by the UN. If they weren't Building Maintenance -- and they weren't, the Building Maintenance people would have found a use for those "stun rifles" long since in the General Assembly -- and both the Gift Shop and the Strangers' Bar disavowed all knowledge, then there wasn't any other bit of the UN with a budget capable of paying them.

"No," Cerys said shortly. "Then again, we're hardly an authority on all the species here. If they've not been moved to speak, we could easily have never come across them."

"Blue body-paint?" For some reason no one had bothered throwing Speaker Ifan out of this discussion. The man was a political weasel, and the staff generally took great care never to talk about anything important anywhere he could hear it. Just for once, though, some corkscrew thinking might be useful. "It sounds just like the Kennyites' sense of humour, and they have been laughing a lot. Giggling even."

Cerys shook her head. "Not slick enough for them. Commander Chiang was right to call the rioters amateurs, and those Blue Guard weren't much better. Frankly the second XV could have broken through that line." Since half the members of the embassy's second-string rugby team were the sort of people who only encountered sunlight on their way between their bed, their desk and the bar, this was a pretty damning indictment.

"That makes the Albalasti the most likely suspects," the ambassador observed. "What do we know about them?"

"Not a lot. Plenty of strong commercial and industrial interests, obviously. They seem to have compulsory military service, though." Cerys frowned. "Unless they are completely incompetant or never do this sort of set-piece it doesn't sound very much like them either."

"Right. We want some answers, and we suspect a few other ambassadors would be interested in knowing who these alledged UN guardsmen are too. Cerys, keep digging into Albalast, see what you can find. Everyone else, ask around. Someone must have seen where these Blue Guard came from, or where they went. If we're very lucky some of them might still be about, and the other delegations haven't started in on them yet."

Leetha Talone had been using as many secondary hallways in the UN Building ( http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/UN_Headquarters) as possible. The place had been crawling with every sort of yellow journalist and Punnitzer Prize-lusting reporter since the silly little riot that morning.

“Ambassador Talone! Ambassador Talone! Kenneth Frequency, RBS. What can you tell us about this morning’s events at the UN? Do you have an official comment on the recent rioting at the UN?”

Damn, another one, she thought and silently swore. Leetha turned toward the obnoxious voice.

“We know no more than what has been reported in the press. We will not contribute to the speculation that is running rampant through this building as to who or what the Blue UN might be, though it is quite obvious that it is likely a shadow organization ( http://images.usatoday.com/life/_photos/2005/10/06/inside-smurfs.jpg) that is secretly controlling the actions of this organization. “Blue” is apparently a code term, but whether it refers to temperature or temperament, we cannot, as I’ve already said, speculate.”

“It is however, most certain that this type of behavior on the part of the rioters, is the ultimate result of misguided and extreme adherence to national sovereignty dogma. Besides, why do they continue to pick on our “Forest Management” legislation. They just don’t understand--”

From the side hall, Becherie Guy made a waist-high tackle, pushing Leetha down the hall and out of range of the television camera. “Madame Ambassador, you know talking with the press is always a bad idea.”

Deputy Ambassador Maddalena Pedrana laughed out loud mockingly. "Qui? A blagnacienzo in la Nazioni Unnonecca? Ubi?"
"What? A riot in the United Nations? Where?"

"Estrene. La guardettu azula sciscirecce la prostettu, oltra feritecci," Adam di Sadalucco related to her.
"Outside. The blue guards dispersed the protesters, some were injured."

Pedrana laughed even more. "Adam, ticco tu te l'Estrancuque Bar (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=310853&page=447) e tagnecci tuse?"
"Adam, had you been to the Stranger's Bar (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=310853&page=447) and got yourself drunk?"

"Noi ojecce!" He said emphatically. "Chiedeche Rianna!"
"We saw it!" "Ask Rianna!"

"Il s'dei nostri a fignete d'imagine. Tu ici a cervelo peracta? Dr. Spicolli oàabrece tu." She then twirled her finger near her temple, gesturing condescendingly that one of her subordinates might have gone insane.
"It's all a figment of your imagination. You have an overactive brain? Dr. Spicolli can help you."

"Sul tu do della sece lentreche, que do della," he said, suppressing the urge to take his fist across her mocking face. "Me ici a iziu poca doche plure."
"If you don't want to listen, then don't... I've got a few more things to do."

"Imagineco iziu e evocareco riesco storii?" She howled with more laughter and more biting sarcasm, drawing in evil looks from the entire Nord-Brutlandese Mission staff. "Mi, o mio. Hoci birane che dell'icique resoluzioni cresceco noval inte ci."
"Imagining things and conjuring up stories again?" "My, oh my. This boredom from not having resolutions is growing into us now."

*sinister chuckle*

:D

God this is funny:)

Hello, I'm William Smithers, Senior Vice President of the UN Building Management. I've called this press conference to address the so-called riot that supposedly occurred outside the UN Building recently. I will be accepting questions afterwards.

After a careful investigation of this incident, we have come to the conclusion that the whole thing was nothing more than an elaborate hoax designed to make the UN look bad.

First off, the "blue guards" that were supposedly involved have no affiliation with either the UN itself or The UN Building Management. And in fact our investigation into this matter leads us to believe that they are somehow tied in with the people staging this "riot."

Secondly, this "riot" is supposed to have occurred in front of the largest entrance to the UN Building which they claim is on the north side of the building. Obviously the perpetrators of this hoax have never seen the entrance on the building's south side which is twice as large as the northern one.

Thirdly, regarding the people who were supposedly injured during the "riot," we checked with the UN Building General Hospital, which would be the closest one to the location of the "riot" and their records show no patients coming in with the injuries that supposedly occurred during the "riot." In fact the only new patients they've had for the last few days were a few ambassadors who had too much to drink in the Stranger's Bar and came in looking for a hangover cure.

These facts, combined with several others, lead us in the UN Building Management to believe that this "riot" was nothing more than a futile attempt to make the UN look bad.

Now, are there any questions?

Now, are there any questions?

Julien Quan (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Julien_Quan) raised his hand.

"Yes. It's a slightly unrelated topic, but since we've got you here... When is lift n°4 going to be fixed? I mean, it's not urgent, but when you've got a lot of people coming and going, and one of the lifts is broken..."

when you join the united nations you know what you're getting into


The United Nations...the the UNITED nations. and to have this many countries and regions bound together you need to have a strict enforcement of rules. the UN is supposed to be filled with people on the more serious side to debate these issues. not just people on here for fun alone. the rules are simply acting as a filter to keep the united nations UNITED and committed.

rules apply

not to mention the fact that would YOU like to be the one in charge of holding up thousands of countries? they're like a teacher with 50 kids in their classroom. there's only so much they can do and they have to post on the wall to pick up the slack. there's just no way around it. and honestly. although we bring up smart debates and seem to run our nations welll individually, how long do you think we could actually keep this up for without rules, regulations, or a basic form of government

Julien Quan (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Julien_Quan) raised his hand.
Yes, Mr. Quan.
"Yes. It's a slightly unrelated topic, but since we've got you here... When is lift n°4 going to be fixed? I mean, it's not urgent, but when you've got a lot of people coming and going, and one of the lifts is broken..."

Uh, you've kind of caught me off guard here. I don't exactly follow everything all of our departments are doing.

*Smithers' cell phone rings*

For the love of... who's calling me now.

*Smithers answers his phone*

This had better be damn important, I'm in the middle of a fricking press conference. Uh huh, I see, OK I'll tell him.

*He hangs up*

Mr. Quan, that was someone from the Building Maintence department, apparently they were watching the press conference instead of doing their job. The elevator in question will be repaired as soon as we get the part we need. It's a custom design and only one company makes it, and they've got a bit of backlog at their plant.

Any more questions, preferably about the incident?

The wiry figure of Len Cohen stood up, and addressed William Smithers

"Yes, one point, and one question; I can confirm that the UN Guard do not wear blue. We were the guys who were contracted to make the uniforms, already! They're purple. Okay, so they were meant to be blue, but Murray's colour blind, and the schmuck got the wrong cloth, hence the purple, but that's beside the point. And they wear White Pith Helmets, supplied by the Milliners across the floor from me. By the way, I wouldn't buy from them again; he overcharges on the chinstraps. Cohen and Cohen, they can do you a better deal, eh?"

"My question is probably a more pressing matter. The Building Management still hasn't paid for the uniforms. Oy vey, that's over two thousand sheckles, already! Pay, or we make unfortunate alterations to all your suits when your not looking. Murray is quite adept at stealth tailoring"

The wiry figure of Len Cohen stood up, and addressed William Smithers

"Yes, one point, and one question; I can confirm that the UN Guard do not wear blue. We were the guys who were contracted to make the uniforms, already! They're purple. Okay, so they were meant to be blue, but Murray's colour blind, and the schmuck got the wrong cloth, hence the purple, but that's beside the point. And they wear White Pith Helmets, supplied by the Milliners across the floor from me. By the way, I wouldn't buy from them again; he overcharges on the chinstraps. Cohen and Cohen, they can do you a better deal, eh?"

"My question is probably a more pressing matter. The Building Management still hasn't paid for the uniforms. Oy vey, that's over two thousand sheckles, already! Pay, or we make unfortunate alterations to all your suits when your not looking. Murray is quite adept at stealth tailoring"

Dr. Hodz pulls out his checkbook. "Two thousand sheckles? Well, whatever."

Dr. Hodz scribbles on the check. "Here you go." he says, handing Len Cohen the check.

"Wasn't I supposed to send a bunch of tailors to help you?"