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Seventeenth
27-09-2007, 13:09
How the feck do I get people to endorse me lol, I want to propose something... Ah screw it... If anyone wants to propose something here is something to give you maybe an idea or something? If somone goes with it, please don't change the name. :)

27/09/07
Greetings from the dictatorship of 17th…

:17th Act:

[S1] I propose the 17th Act, 2007. Citizen(s) of nations other than your very own nation that commit crime(s) within your territory no matter how small or large on the scale this offence may be [S2]. I propose the nation that has suffered because of this crime –has- to be compensated by the nation that the criminal(s) heir from. Furthermore, I propose that the said nation has full power and rights to “hunt” down said criminal(s) [S4]. Be it in or out of their territory, the idea that you can run the border and you are safe should be removed [S6]. I wish for powers to allow my military police to enter other lands to capture and punish the criminal(s). I also believe the nation where offenders are hiding should cooperate fully with the other nation in capture of criminal(s). This in no way should effect relationships between two nations, any other nation that isn’t involved would stay not involved. It would be a situation between the offending nation and the victim nation, In strong favour of the victimised nation.

[S2] Aiding & abetting, Arson, Assault, Bribery, Burglary, Child Abuse, Child Pornography, Computer Crime, Conspiracy, Credit/Debit card fraud, Disorderly conduct, Domestic Violence, Drug trafficking, DUI, DWI, Embezzlement, Extortion, Forgery, Hate crimes, Indecent exposure, Identity theft, Insurance fraud, Kidnapping, Manslaughter Involuntary/voluntary, Money laundering, Murder first/second-degree, Perjury, Prostitution, Racketeering, Rape, Robbery, Securities Fraud, Sexual assault, Stalking, Tax evasion, Tax fraud, Treason[S3], Theft, Wire fraud, and War crimes.

[S3] You shalt not harbour any traitors of another nation, such an act is an act of war.

[S4] All criminal(s) captured by victimised nation have full authority over sentence. Criminal(s) will spend sentence or carry out sentence (if be it execution [S5].) in the lands of the victimised nation.

[S5] Execution, IF the offending nations doesn’t accept or use the penalty of death but the victimised nation does however, then as the crime was committed within their territory and it was a crime that carries a death sentence the criminal(s) have to face their fate.

[S6] There isn’t anywhere to run nor hide. IF Nation doesn’t capture the criminal(s) in their territory [S7]. And said criminal(s) flee to another UN nation or home UN nation they are still accountable and the victimised nation has full power and rights to track criminal(s).

[S7] If said criminal(s) are captured in victimised nations’ territory they are at the hands of that nations authority and justice system.


Regards
17th.
TheCraigzone
27-09-2007, 17:07
S1 issues- Crimes vary in nations. this proposal would require a standardising of the worlds laws, which wont happen. Whats to stop a country A from grabbing someone who wants political asylum in country B, where the offence in A is not an offence in B.

S2 issues- Theres loads of crimes not mentioned, also the 1st/2nd degree thing isnt common.

S3 issues- 'traitor' is loose. someone who may just be a political opponent can be listed as a traitor, and therefore extradited, even though they have committed no offence.

S4 issues- This may be illegal, as the sentence may be torture, and a country cant deliver a person to be tortured.

s5 issues- I'm not sure, but i think capital punishment is illegal. And enforcing sentencing on another country will be really loved by National sovereignity peeps

S6 issues- So you could have your cops running and shooting up the world. what if bystanders get hurt or something? Whos accountable.

S7 issues- well thats a bleeding obvious statement.

this will not make it and i doubt people will take this on.
Sturmholm
27-09-2007, 17:31
As far as the endorsements go. You need at least 2
Looking at your region I see you only have 1 other UN nation besides yourself.
So get a few more recruits that have UN status.

As to your proposal. It will never fly.
Flibbleites
28-09-2007, 03:10
I highly recommend that before you submit anything you read this thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=420465), followed by this one. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=357572) After all, you really don't want your proposal to end up in this thread. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=397276)

Bob Flibble
UN Representative
Subistratica
28-09-2007, 03:50
If anyone wants to propose something here is something to give you maybe an idea or something?

I highly disagree with what you are trying to propose, and I also found your proposal to be extremely difficult to read.

Good day.

Eros Tatriel
UN Rep. for Subistratica
Cavirra
28-09-2007, 08:59
S6 issues- So you could have your cops running and shooting up the world. what if bystanders get hurt or something? Whos accountable.

I think these sections clearly say who is accountable...

[S4] All criminal(s) captured by victimised nation have full authority over sentence. Criminal(s) will spend sentence or carry out sentence (if be it execution [S5].) in the lands of the victimised nation.Although I don't like the wording as it gives criminals full authority over their own sentences way it is worded here but understand intent, however needs to be reworded to clearly give the victimised nation the authority not a criminal.

[S7] If said criminal(s) are captured in victimised nations’ territory they are at the hands of that nations authority and justice system.To us anyone entering our nation who has a weapon is a criminal unless they have aquired proper permits; this includes police and military from other nations as well as diplomats and their security people.
Seventeenth
28-09-2007, 09:22
S1 issues- Crimes vary in nations. this proposal would require a standardising of the worlds laws, which wont happen. Whats to stop a country A from grabbing someone who wants political asylum in country B, where the offence in A is not an offence in B.

S2 issues- Theres loads of crimes not mentioned, also the 1st/2nd degree thing isnt common.
All acts that are seen as "crimes" in MY nation are listed...

S3 issues- 'traitor' is loose. someone who may just be a political opponent can be listed as a traitor, and therefore extradited, even though they have committed no offence.
So? What is wrong with that?

S4 issues- This may be illegal, as the sentence may be torture, and a country cant deliver a person to be tortured.
Why not?

s5 issues- I'm not sure, but i think capital punishment is illegal.

Not in my nation it isn't.

S6 issues- So you could have your cops running and shooting up the world. what if bystanders get hurt or something? Whos accountable.
That is small details.... Mere insignificant details... Don't worry about that.

S7 issues- well thats a bleeding obvious statement.

this will not make it and i doubt people will take this on.
That is because you are soft nations... Too much equality and brain, not enough balls..



I think these sections clearly say who is accountable...

Although I don't like the wording as it gives criminals full authority over their own sentences way it is worded here but understand intent, however needs to be reworded to clearly give the victimised nation the authority not a criminal.

To us anyone entering our nation who has a weapon is a criminal unless they have aquired proper permits; this includes police and military from other nations as well as diplomats and their security people.
Hmmmmmmm Permits?


Regards
17
Bloodstone Kay
28-09-2007, 12:41
S4 issues- This may be illegal, as the sentence may be torture, and a country cant deliver a person to be tortured.
Why not?

It's illegal because of the Extraordinary Rendition resolution (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=UN_past_resolutions/start=192). Namely, this part of it.

2. Prohibits member states from any involvement in the rendering of persons to foreign jurisdictions if there is probable cause to believe they would be subject to torture.
Intangelon
28-09-2007, 15:58
In short, the NSUN sincerely appreciates your enthusiasm and vigor, but urges you to read up a bit more, as Ambassador Flibble suggested. I would add that reading the list of currently active NSUN Resolutions would help as well.

I look forward to seeing what you come up with once you've done some research.
Flibbleites
28-09-2007, 16:01
II would add that reading the list of currently active NSUN Resolutions would help as well.

Actually the list of passed resolutions is one of the links I provided.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative
Intangelon
28-09-2007, 16:05
Actually the list of passed resolutions is one of the links I provided.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

Oh...well...there it is.
Omigodtheykilledkenny
28-09-2007, 16:15
This post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8681196&postcount=3) may be helpful too.