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This law bad. Here text of Glog repeal:

UN Law "Rights of Minorities and Women" BAD!!!

Article I say "No one race or culture is better than another." What mean "better"? UN law not tell what "better" mean. This not protect any rights.

Article II say "Males and Females should be treated as equals. Whether it be in the workplace or at home". What mean "equals"? UN law not tell what "equal" mean. This not protect any rights.

Article III say "Not a single religion or belief is better or more right than another." This not tell what "better" mean either. Not tell what "right" mean. This not protect any rights.

Article IV say: "One should have the right to express their love for a member of the same sex." What "express their love" mean? UN law not say. This not protect any rights.

UN law use word "should" too much. Not strong word.

UN law not protect minorities. Only mention "race" once in preamble part. Mention "race or culture" in Article I. Never mention again.

UN law not protect women. Only say "should be treated as equals" in Article II. Never mention again.

UN Law "Rights of Minorities and Women" BAD!!! UN repeal.

Might need some more work. Help with language. Glog appreciate help. Help GOOD!!!

Here text of "Rights of Minorities and Women":

Rights of Minorities and Women


A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category : Human Rights
Strength : Strong
Proposed by : Amsterdam Junior

Description: The UN should recognize that all people are created equal. The matter of race, sex, religion or sexual preference should not make anyone less equal. These are inalienable rights of all UN nation citizens.

ARTICLE I- No one race or culture is better than another.

ARTICLE II- Males and Females should be treated as equals. Whether it be in the workplace or at home.

ARTICLE III- Not a single religion or belief is better or more right than another.

ARTICLE IV- One should have the right to express their love for a member of the same sex.

G l o g, you know word "good", yes? "Better" mean "more good".

This law about idea. "Idea" is "thing in head". Good idea make you do thing good way. This law say, "My tribe good. You tribe good. You tribe more good hunter my tribe. You tribe not more good person my tribe. All tribe same good person."

This law say, "UN like you do thing good way." It say, "UN think these good idea. UN think strong these good idea."

(OOC, because I can't keep this going any longer: All the same, I'll be urging my regional delegate to support this, just so I can delight in watching G l o g debate.)

EDIT: Support it to quorum, that is.

Ignore Wicked Witch Lady. Wicked Witch Lady try steal Glog's thunder. Wicked Witch Lady a MODNAZI. Wicked Witch lady BAD!!!

But certain things about UN law good. Like Discrimination Accord. It already do what Bad UN Law says do. It do things better. Wicked Witch Lady say better mean "more good." More good GOOD!!! Say UN Law Discrimination Accord do things Rights of Minorities and Women do not do. Say UN already protecting some rights. This good.

Chiang support this. UN Law bad. Repeal good.

Such elegant simplicity of language you have there, Msr. Glog. Perhaps your accessible method of communication will result in higher levels of support. I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors.

Minister of Hospitality
Meritania Garrote

I could support the repeal, since it is redundant legislation... I'd even say submit it in the simplistic form it is in, would add some character to the UN Code...

But certain things about UN law good. Like Discrimination Accord. It already do what Bad UN Law says do. It do things better. Wicked Witch Lady say better mean "more good." More good GOOD!!! Say UN Law Discrimination Accord do things Rights of Minorities and Women do not do. Say UN already protecting some rights. This good.

Chiang support this. UN Law bad. Repeal good.For certain definitions of "better", Commander Chiang?

As problematic as "Rights of Minorities and Women" is, to say that "Discrimination Accord" accomplishes what RoMaW intended is to glaze the pig with gold dust.

Its ineffectiveness and poor construction aside, RoMaW is a broad statement of equality that applies both to government and private entities. The UN's "Discrimination Accord" is much more limited. It applies only to government actions nor is it as inclusive with respect to classes covered as the earlier work. It also includes some chilling opportunities to deny rights based on classes of people.

The argument G l o g presents for repeal of RoMaw, succinct and to the point, is weak in its heavy reliance on undefined terms within the legislation. The undefined terms "better" "equal" and "right" are concepts generally understood by children. One would think (misguided as that may be) that nations do as well.

UN law not protect minorities. ... UN law not protect womenAdditionally, I would suggest G l o g be a little careful about using "protect" as a "good" thing. Women and minorities do not wish to be "protected"; they want only for all persons to be treated equally under the law.

Leetha Talone
UN Ambassador for Rubina

Its ineffectiveness and poor construction aside, RoMaW is a broad statement of equality that applies both to government and private entities. The UN's "Discrimination Accord" is much more limited. It applies only to government actions nor is it as inclusive with respect to classes covered as the earlier work.Precisely why I said "UN already protecting some rights," m'dear. At least DA actually does protect some rights; RoMaW protects nothing. ~Cdr. Chiang

Going through the original:

ARTICLE I- No one race or culture is better than another.

I fully maintain the Segrena Derby is a more superior race to the New Hailsham steeplechase. Also, I maintain that this petri dish of Bacillus Antracis is more kick arse then that petri dish of Escherichia coli...

ARTICLE II- Males and Females should be treated as equals. Whether it be in the workplace or at home.

I like cupcakes, but my wife doesn't. Does that mean we should both receive cupcakes as treats?

ARTICLE III- Not a single religion or belief is better or more right than another.

Wow, that's stupid. Surely the religion that is correct is better then one that is wrong? With so many religions, one has got to be correct, to be fair. My money's on Judaism.

And saying one belief is more right then another...is possibly the stupidist thing ever. One man believes in the world is millions of years old, the other beleives the world was built by Polish plumbers in 1987 - the latter is, what we call, a fucking moron.


ARTICLE IV- One should have the right to express their love for a member of the same sex.

Express one's love and bonking them can be interpreted as being very different

And saying one belief is more right then another...is possibly the stupidist thing ever. One man believes in the world is millions of years old, the other beleives the world was built by Polish plumbers in 1987 - the latter is, what we call, a fucking moron.No kidding. We all know it was a German plumber.

The resolution in question is nothing more than a collection of poorly expressed platitudes. It demands nothing; it requires nothing; it does nothing. And in its clumsy stumbling from the unassailable to the absurd and from the panoramic to the particular, it devalues the very concepts it espouses.

We will confidently stand on our record of supporting the establishment and maintenance of the fundamental rights of all the people of all our nations. We believe this resolution is nothing more than a potential hindrance to that endeavor. We will happily support its repeal.

Balthasar H. von Aschenbach
Prime Minister

G l o g, you know word "good", yes? "Better" mean "more good".

This law about idea. "Idea" is "thing in head". Good idea make you do thing good way. This law say, "My tribe good. You tribe good. You tribe more good hunter my tribe. You tribe not more good person my tribe. All tribe same good person."

This law say, "UN like you do thing good way." It say, "UN think these good idea. UN think strong these good idea."

(OOC, because I can't keep this going any longer: All the same, I'll be urging my regional delegate to support this, just so I can delight in watching G l o g debate.)

EDIT: Support it to quorum, that is.

Ignore Wicked Witch Lady. Wicked Witch Lady try steal Glog's thunder. Wicked Witch Lady a MODNAZI. Wicked Witch lady BAD!!!

But certain things about UN law good. Like Discrimination Accord. It already do what Bad UN Law says do. It do things better. Wicked Witch Lady say better mean "more good." More good GOOD!!! Say UN Law Discrimination Accord do things Rights of Minorities and Women do not do. Say UN already protecting some rights. This good.

Chiang support this. UN Law bad. Repeal good.

Bob wonder why witch woman and stripper woman suddenly talk like cave woman.

Bob like repeal, repeal get Bob's approval.

Bob Flibble
UN Person

Bob wonder why witch woman and stripper woman suddenly talk like cave woman.

Oh, dear, I am sorry, Mr Flibble. I hadn't realised the microphone was on when I was attempting to explain privately to our new member, in entirely unbiased terms, of course, the implications of his proposal.

Ignore Wicked Witch Lady. Wicked Witch Lady try steal Glog's thunder. Wicked Witch Lady a MODNAZI. Wicked Witch lady BAD!!!

I must say, Cdr Chiang, you Kennyites really should cease this dabbling in magic. It can be quite dangerous in the hands of the uninformed. You do not seem to be aware, for example, that it is simply impossible for our elementals to interact with those of Glog's tribe, and there could therefore be no point in our "stealing" any of his thunder. We would be happy, however, in return fior mutually beneficial and scrupulously fair trade agreements, to help locate, develop, refine and export their untapped thunder resources.

And may I say we reject out of hand your allegations of Wickedness, Badness, Modnaziness, etcetera. We have no connections with the dork-- dark side. Magic is completely neutral, neither good nor wicked. We have a saying in Ardchoille: "Wands don't disintegrate wizards into infinitesimal sub-molecular traces in multiple dimensions. Witches do."

-- Dicey Reilly, wrongfully President for Life of Ardchoille.

Bob like repeal, repeal get Bob's approval.

Bob Flibble
UN Person

Hodz agree. Use stamp of approval.

I send information to Big Council, say repeal is good. They say good too.

Subistratica support repeal.

(OOC: this is rather fun, speaking like this...)

Glog make changes. Post new draft.

UN Law "Rights of Minorities and Women" BAD!!!

Article I say "No one race or culture is better than another." What mean "better"? UN law not tell what "better" mean. This not protect any rights.

Article II say "Males and Females should be treated as equals. Whether it be in the workplace or at home". What mean "equals"? UN law not tell what "equal" mean. This not protect any rights.

Article III say "Not a single religion or belief is better or more right than another." This not tell what "better" mean either. Not tell what "right" mean. This not protect any rights.

Article IV say: "One should have the right to express their love for a member of the same sex." What "express their love" mean? UN law not say. This not protect any rights.

UN law use word "should" too much. Not strong word.

UN law not protect rights of minorities. Only mention "race" once in preamble part. Mention "race or culture" in Article I. Never mention again.

UN law not protect rights of women. Only say "should be treated as equals" in Article II. Never mention again.

UN law "Discrimination Accord" protect rights. "Discrimination Accord" GOOD!!! Protect rights better than "Rights of Minorities and Women". "Discrimination Accord" still protect rights after this repealed.

UN Law "Rights of Minorities and Women" BAD!!! UN repeal.

"Gunther Like!!!!!["

"Gunther's Women Like!!!"*hoots of ascent from the three women on his lap*

"Gunther Tell Delegate to Like!!!!"

*Gunther jumps up ripping off shirt,drags wives from chamber by their hair hooting and grunting and thumping chest*

Glog submit repeal. Make test run. Not send telegram message thing.

Glog Firemaker, son of Glog Crushdogskullwithrock
UN Ambassador

I have no power in the United Nations, but I support Glogs proposal.

I have no idea how the hell that resolution got passed in the first place.

The United Nations has no jurisdiction of the treatment of minorities and women in individual countries. For the UN to tell nations how to treat people is clearly a violation of their N.S

Also, as Glog pointed out, there probably wasn't a way to be more vague in the phrasing of that resolution. In the future, should such a resolution come to the floor again, a more detailed one would be nice.

Finally, gay rights, as outlined in the final section, is based on the country. Some strongly religious countries are very much against the concept and the United Nations has no right to tell them otherwise if that is their stance.

Final call: completely stupid resolution. strike it out.

Unlike my... fellow delegates, I'll refrain from.. imitating Glog's speech. After all, one should maintain a little decorum...

The Sacred Kingdom of Karianis supports this repeal. It is, in every way, totally useless and ineffective. Not to mention quite against my country's religious beliefs.

Serifina Karin
Ambassador to the United Nations
Sacred Kingdom of Karianis

We support this repeal because the resolution in question is ultimately ineffective. I wish I would have stopped back in before Glog submitted the proposal as we find that it could be difficult to use the fact that "better" is not defined as a reason for repeal and then state that another passed resolution does a "better" job of protecting rights without defining that word in the current proposal.

A semantic issue, yes, but seemingly bad logic in the repeal resolution.

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His Very Royal Highness, Prince Dirk Koller, P.Aff.M.
Deacon Prince & Heir-Apparent of The Constitutional Monarchy of Relikmere
Head of Financial & Constitutional Affairs
Ambassador to the United Nations
Member in the Highest, Royal Order of the Deaconate

[The NSUN Nunciate delegation of the Eternal Kawaii step up to the dais. The Nuncia looks puzzled at the prepared speech her assistant has handed her, and whispers, "Are you sure this is correct?" The nekomusume standing near her all nod their heads, grinning. The Nuncia shrugs, and steps up to the podium.]

In Name of All-Lasting Cute One, all praise Cute One.

All-Lasting Cute One delegation stand up, say "Yes!" to mighty Glog proposal. All-Lasting Cute One believe also UN Law "Rights of Minorities and Women" bad. All-Lasting Cute One no like Article III, no like article say "no religion better than other". People of All-Lasting Cute One think Article III insult to All-Lasting Cute One. People of All-Lasting Cute One think resolution do no good, only waste UN time. We say, "repeal!"

[The Nuncia steps down from the podium and rejoins her delegation, looking a little puzzled and saying to her delegation, "Did I do that right?" The nekomusume all nod in agreement, though it proves impossible for some to stifle their giggles.]

H'lo. I'll be assuming the role of acting Ambassador from now on, as my colleague Jinella is busy trying to become our next Prime Minister and whatnot. Since the last one got his head blown off, I can't see why she wants the job. No one, from what I've seen, tries to shoot the UN Ambassador. But anywho...

After considering all the arguments presented herein, I conclude that the resolution "Rights of Minorities and Women", though well-intentioned, is a smoldering pile of dog doo that accomplishes about as much as said pile of dog doo. Altanar cheerfully supports this repeal, and thinks we should also declare today "Talk Like A Caveman In The UN Day", in honor of our esteemed Glog colleagues.

- Ikir Askanabath, Acting Ambassador

I have no power in the United Nations

Based on your comments here, we're glad for that.

The United Nations has no jurisdiction of the treatment of minorities and women in individual countries. For the UN to tell nations how to treat people is clearly a violation of their N.S.

Don't even bother with trying a NatSov argument here. While Altanar is all in favor of defending national sovereignty, some things do, and must, take precedence. The way that minorities and women are treated is one of those things, as far as we're concerned, since no one deserves to be treated badly based merely on their gender or race.

Finally, gay rights, as outlined in the final section, is based on the country. Some strongly religious countries are very much against the concept and the United Nations has no right to tell them otherwise if that is their stance.

Normally we support allowing those of different faiths to run their nations how they choose, but once again, if that means discriminating against LGBT people, in that case we're more than happy to slap their hands with a ruler and tell them "No! Bad theocrats!"

The only reason to repeal "Rights of Minorities and Women" is because it doesn't do what it sets out to do.

- Ikir Askanabath, Acting Ambassador

We fail to see how the current resolution is ineffective.

We would be interested, however, to see a proposed replacement resolution that may do the job better. Such a draft will need to be produced before we can support this repeal.

We fail to see how the current resolution is ineffective.

We would be interested, however, to see a proposed replacement resolution that may do the job better. Such a draft will need to be produced before we can support this repeal.

This resolution, already passed, is what individuals are referring to that does a better job than the one being repealed.

Discrimination Accord


A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.

Category : Human Rights
Strength : Significant
Proposed by : Belgrade-Beograd

Description : The United Nations,

NOTING the precedent of international law towards greater human rights and equality for all,

RECALLING the sentiments of such documents as “Universal Bill of Rights”, “Definition of Marriage”, “Freedom and Equality”, and “Sexual Freedom” in the separation of governments from discriminatory practices and ideologies,

UPSET by the lack of previous legislation (at the time of this document’s composition) directly prohibiting governments from discriminatory practices,

CITING as a possible cause of such oversight the incorrect interpretation of the “Gay Rights” document, which in practice does virtually nothing to protect citizens’ rights:

RESOLVES upon protecting all persons and groups in member nations from discrimination by their respective member governments;

REQUIRES member governments to fairly and equally apply the following rights of citizens as they are upheld by international and national law:

1. The right to protection under law, especially protection from harassment and violence,

2. The right to participate in government,

3. The right to fair judicial proceedings and law enforcement application especially as guaranteed by international law,

4. Any social dividends paid out to or provided for persons or groups deemed by member national or international government to be in social need (unemployment benefits, health care, etc.), including, but not limited to, those social dividends secured by international law,

5. Any other rights granted citizens of a member government by requirement of international law;

COMMITS to fighting ignorance and prejudice, MANDATING member nations create or allow large-scale education programs of ethnic, racial, and cultural diversity;

ENCOURAGES all nations to work towards eliminating “hate crimes”, or violent, malicious crimes spurned on by a lack of tolerance of cultural, ethnic, racial, or other differences;

URGES regional awareness of cultural, racial, and cultural differences, given the often close ties of a nation’s diversity with its region’s diversity;

CLARIFIES the United Nation’s position by reiterating the following:

§ The UN condemns discrimination by governments, discrimination on the basis of differences in recognized religion, race, sex, sexual orientation, age, language, school of thought, or intelligence.

§ The UN disallows member governments from discriminating the previously described rights (protection under law, participation in government, etc.) based upon such differences.

§ The UN also recognizes the need, at times, for member governments to differentiate upon these difference during extreme security risks or other especial events or conditions, and allows for member governments to differentiate treatment to a reasonable degree (as can be justified by the risk), provided the treatment of all returns to an equal state once the risk or state of extreme condition has passed.

Votes For : 11,035

Votes Against : 6,347

Implemented : Thu Apr 14 2005

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His Very Royal Highness, Prince Dirk Koller, P.Aff.M.
Deacon Prince & Heir-Apparent of The Constitutional Monarchy of Relikmere
Head of Financial & Constitutional Affairs
Ambassador to the United Nations
Member in the Highest, Royal Order of the Deaconate

We fail to see how the current resolution is ineffective.

We would be interested, however, to see a proposed replacement resolution that may do the job better. Such a draft will need to be produced before we can support this repeal.

From our point of view, to be effective, a piece of legislation must make something happen or keep something from happening. The resolution in question simply doesn't do either one. It talks about the way things should be, but it does nothing to make them that way.

We'd be very interested in a replacement, as well. But we won't hold off supporting the repeal until we see one.

Travilia E. Thwerdock
Ambassador to the United Nations

We of Tanular, agree with Ausserland. And, even more so, since there is a law that performs those actions, it is unnecessary to wait for another to be proposed, as there is one on the books. We simply need to kick out this silly, assinine 'law' that is really just a list of 'should-haves, could-haves.' Tanular wishes to congratulate Ambassador Glog on his elegant phrasing of this bills horrors.

(OOC: this is rather fun, speaking like this...)OOC: Yes it is, I'm tempted, if/when this comes up for vote, to have Bob do all his debating in cavemen speak.

Unlike my... fellow delegates, I'll refrain from.. imitating Glog's speech. After all, one should maintain a little decorum...

Serifina Karin
Ambassador to the United Nations
Sacred Kingdom of Karianis

But, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

We support this repeal because the resolution in question is ultimately ineffective. I wish I would have stopped back in before Glog submitted the proposal as we find that it could be difficult to use the fact that "better" is not defined as a reason for repeal and then state that another passed resolution does a "better" job of protecting rights without defining that word in the current proposal.
This good point. Maybe "better" not good word to use. Repeal just submitted for trial run. Have time to change text before Glog submit again.

A semantic issue, yes, but seemingly bad logic in the repeal resolution.
Glog not know semantic. Maybe Glog go to place called Cleveland. Hire Scribe. Have scribe write repeal with UN people words instead of Glog words.

We would be interested, however, to see a proposed replacement resolution that may do the job better. Such a draft will need to be produced before we can support this repeal.
Glog not write replacement. Scotchpinestan people want replacement, they write one. Not write here though! Write somewhere else. This place to talk about repeal.

We'd be very interested in a replacement, as well. But we won't hold off supporting the repeal until we see one.
Glog not against replacement either. Do repeal first though. Someone write replacement later.

Glog thank everyone that support repeal. Support GOOD!!! Glog happy.

Glog Firemaker, son of Glog Crushdogskullwithrock
UN Ambassador

OOC: This is fucking hilarious. Supported.

OOC: Yes it is, I'm tempted, if/when this comes up for vote, to have Bob do all his debating in cavemen speak.
OOC: It is fun! What's bad though is that I keep catching myself wanting to stay IC and talk like that in RL. "Glog want steak. Bloody as hell. Want bake-potato. Butter, sour cream. No chives! Chives BAD!!!

But, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative
OOC: Sure is, but I so just can't write that way. I'm having enough troubles giggling my way through this topic. I'd -never- get a post written if I tried to imitate him!

"We find ourselves entirely in disagreement with the evident sentiment of this discussion. The Resolution "Rights of Minorities and Women" is unarguably stating an ideal, and we strongly suspect that it is a mere misunderstanding of the difference between "should" and "shall" on the part of the author that causes the more modern sensibilities of this chamber to dismiss it as containing no operative clauses. We further..."

Ambassador Prince Rhodri is interrupted by several members of his staff who press briefing sheets on him. There is a short whispered argument. Judging by his aggrieved look as he straightens up, the Ambassador lost.

"UN law say people are what they are. UN law say laws saying people are what they aren't BAD. UN law GOOD."

"Happy now?" he mutters to his aides.

At least DA actually does protect some rights; RoMaW protects nothing. ~Cdr. ChiangBut even you must admit that it is not a substitute and shouldn't accorded such status in the repeal argument. Unfortunately, whether depending on your statement or others, several delegates, including the esteemed G l o g, are now making that error.

I fully maintain the Segrena Derby is a more superior race to the New Hailsham steeplechase. Also, I maintain that this petri dish of Bacillus Antracis is more kick arse then that petri dish of Escherichia coli...Tsk. Intentional misunderstanding is such a sad, sad thing.I like cupcakes, but my wife doesn't. Does that mean we should both receive cupcakes as treats?No. It means that both of you should be asked what you would like to have for a treat. As opposed to your wife having to suffer through the consumption of cupcakes simply because you happen to like them.Wow, that's stupid. Surely the religion that is correct is better then one that is wrong? With so many religions, one has got to be correct, to be fair. My money's on Judaism.That is illogical. There are such things as null sets, old boy. And just to cover all bases, may His noodly appendage touch and favor you with sauce. Ramen.
And saying one belief is [no] more right then another...is possibly the stupidist thing ever. Wars have been fought over so much less of an insult.

"We find ourselves entirely in disagreement with the evident sentiment of this discussion. The Resolution "Rights of Minorities and Women" is unarguably stating an ideal, and we strongly suspect that it is a mere misunderstanding of the difference between "should" and "shall" on the part of the author that causes the more modern sensibilities of this chamber to dismiss it as containing no operative clauses.We are in complete agreement with the thoughtful Prince. Or in the parlance of the day, ugh ugh ugh GOOD.

--L.T.

We fail to see how the current resolution is ineffective.Oh, that's easy...

I join a new religion. This religion says that everyone who isn't white is the scum of the earth, and that they should be brutally murdered. It also says that women should be enslaved to men, who will be their owners.

Most people would say this is an odious religion. However, Rights of Minorities and Women says that my new religion is just as good as every other religion. Furthermore, it wants to claim that I can't be arrested for murdering non-whites because that would be discriminating against my religion (which is just as good as every other religion).

And this doesn't even take into account that my religion goes against other clauses of this resolution!

To be blunt, this resolution is a bunch of mealy-mouthed, fuzzy-headed, dance-around-the-campfire-singing-Kumbaya nonsense.


Of course, I'm not a member of such a religion. I, unlike this resolution, realise that some "religions" are just excuses for people to do whatever they want.


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Doctor Denis Leary
Ambassador to the UN
The Federated Technocratic Oligarchy of the Most Glorious Hack

Alex looks at the assembled and says bluntly, "I talked to our Prime Minster last night about certain UN policies, repeals, that sort of thing. When this came up, we had a conversation that went something like this after I read the proposal:

'So...what does this thing do?' He asked, in that charming confused tone that he commonly effects when he doesn't understand legislation.

'Mr. Dawnfinder, it doesn't seem to do anything. It suggests that we maintain fairness to women, minorities and the LGBT community.' I said, hestantly.

'We already do that, Mr. Taurit. Does it tell us to DO anything? You use the word 'suggest'...does it enforce those rights for other nations...?' He asked, fishing for a bass that would never come.

'No. It seems to be random ideology. Since Ghostlin espouses these beliefs, should I not support the repeal?'

'So...the Bible has the Ten Commandments, the UN has the Four Suggestions If You Feel Like It, I Guess. That's a waste of paper. Support the repeal and see if you can't get the delegation to write another law that does something.'

'Um...we already have one. The Discrimination Accord.'

'So it's redundant as well?'

'Uh, yes...' I was hesitant. This was shaping to be a waste of time.

'Does the UN often waste soverign nations time? How's that safety alphabet thing going?'

'It's passing. Narrowly. There's been some debate of national sovernity.'

'...I see. I've answered my own question, it seems. Continue to support the alphabet resolution, and support this repeal. Goodnight, Alex.' He hung up then.

So, we support this repeal. To cut all the fat out of UN, if nothing else and get the UN to do all the things it should." Alex sighs. "Oh. Repeal GOOD! Doing things UN supposed to GOOD! Useless Resolutions BAD!" He sits down, shaking his head.

-Alex Taurit, UN delegate, Ghostlin.

But even you must admit that it is not a substitute...You're damn right, it isn't. It is an unequivocal declaration by the United Nations that men and women of varying races, backgrounds, religions and sexual preferences are to be treated equally before the law, while RoMaW is nothing more than a collection of well-meaning platitudes that accomplishes absolutely nothing. Far from being a "substitute" for a mindless piece of fluff, Discrimination Accord is something much better. This same argument was made during Repeal "Gay Rights," and most seemed to agree it was a reasonable stance warranting striking out the original resolution.

Of course this doesn't preclude the need for further protection of minority rights under UN law. Discrimination Accord is just an example of the good the United Nations has done to protect minorities, despite the folly of Resolution #80.

I join a new religion. This religion says that everyone who isn't white is the scum of the earth, and that they should be brutally murdered. It also says that women should be enslaved to men, who will be their owners.

Most people would say this is an odious religion. However, Rights of Minorities and Women says that my new religion is just as good as every other religion. Furthermore, it wants to claim that I can't be arrested for murdering non-whites because that would be discriminating against my religion... And this doesn't even take into account that my religion goes against other clauses of this resolution!
It claims no such thing. RoMaW addresses your right to believe anything you want. Your actions however, are bound by other's rights and national/international law. Your putative religion is quite welcome to believe that all non-whites are the scourge of the earth and deserving of instant death--you and your fellow believers just can't personally participate in action to accomplish that. You'll have to leave it to your god.

RoMaW does address conflicting rights: "The matter of race, sex, religion or sexual preference should not make anyone less equal." Thus your klanish religion is barred from enforcing its beliefs on anyone else.

You're damn right, it isn't. It is an unequivocal declaration by the United Nations that men and women of varying races, backgrounds, religions and sexual preferences are to be treated equally before the law, while RoMaW is nothing more than a collection of well-meaning platitudes that accomplishes absolutely nothing.The general anti-discrimination provisions within "Discrimination Accord" are as platitudinous as those found in RoMaW, and even limits those platitudes. "Discrimination Accord" guarantees a short list of rights in an extremely narrow framework. Discrimination Accord is just an example of the good the United Nations has done to protect minorities, despite the folly of Resolution #80.That is being used as evidence that RoMaW is redundant, which is not an accurate representation. If the repeal author wishes to cite DA as an example, fine, but we (myself personally and several other representatives speaking here) have given serious shit to repeal authors recently for fudging facts in their repeal arguments. To turn around and support a repeal that makes poor arguments just because we have now turned our sites onto something some think repeal worthy is beneath us.

--L.T.

The Archaraoni ambassador, Engerius Severn, steps forward to speak.

"In the name of He whom we serve, let it be spoken, let it be heard;

"We of Archaraon concur with the opinions of the ambassador of the Eternal Kawaii; Article III of this resolution is, quite simply, incorrect, and the remainder of the resolution is similarly misguided, if well-meaning. In His name we support this repeal.

"Or, in other words ... UN Law BAD! Repeal GOOD! The Dominus has SPOKEN!"

He rolls his eyes, and turns from the podium in a swirl of rust-red coat-tails.

Hodz agree. Use stamp of approval.

Yuru Namari enters the debate room. He aproaches Dr. Hodz from behind and spins him around. "Good day doctor." He says, and slams his fist into the mans face! "Thats for the cowardly blow you gave me in the strangers bar!" Yuru exits.

"The votes from the Draenarian States have been tallied. The Dictatorial Representative of Grand Draenaria, the Chief Spokesperson of Lesser Draenaria and the Honoured Vice-president, no less, of Draenaristan have informed me to cast my vote in favour of this repeal. Furthermore..." Wait... did he just get punched the face? "I say, are you alright, Representative Hodz?"

Walton Abbot
UN Representative for the Draenarian States

Ambassador Boco (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Christophe_Boco) leaned over to whisper to Deputy Ambassador Quan (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Julien_Quan).

"The Discrimination Accord... I don't recall all the details."

Quan opened his laptop, accessing the Goggle homepage (http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/7353/goggleuseox9.jpg). "Here (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Discrimination_Accord), Comrade."

"Ah, yes." Boco read it through carefully, thought for a while, then moved down to address the Assembly.

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"Ahem. Your Excellencies, esteemed representatives. My country say Glog repeal good. That is, repeal by Glog. Not repeal of Glog. I mean, not repealing Glog. We say repeal good, original proposal... ah, not bad but little redundant. So not good. Discrimination Accord, that very very good. Big thumbs up and all that. Country me support repeal. We say big bravo Glog. Esteemed representatives, thank your for your attention."

"And for gods' sake, I hope the video of this doesn't end up on YouTube," he muttered as he left the podium.

The general anti-discrimination provisions within "Discrimination Accord" are as platitudinous as those found in RoMaW, and even limits those platitudes. "Discrimination Accord" guarantees a short list of rights in an extremely narrow framework. ... That is being used as evidence that RoMaW is redundant, which is not an accurate representation. If the repeal author wishes to cite DA as an example, fine, but we (myself personally and several other representatives speaking here) have given serious shit to repeal authors recently for fudging facts in their repeal arguments.Who's fudging facts? No one ever said DA deems RoMaW redundant. Just that RoMaW is worthless and does nothing, while other resolutions have established a meaningful framework for actually protecting some of the rights (remember that word? "some"?) that RoMaW purports to protect.

Let's get specific, shall we? Let's look at exactly what the resolution in question does -- or, more accurately, what it does not do.

ARTICLE I- No one race or culture is better than another.

This is a statement of a belief. It's a fine, worthy belief, but nothing more. It requires nothing and prohibits nothing. Nothing has to happen or be kept from happening because of it.

ARTICLE II- Males and Females should be treated as equals. Whether it be in the workplace or at home.

Here we have the first instance of the author's obvious misunderstanding of the difference between "should" and such verbs as "must", "shall", and "will". "Should" is merely suggestive. It levies no requirement and establishes no prohibition. (We'll ignore the sentence fragment.)

ARTICLE III- Not a single religion or belief is better or more right than another.

We'll not comment on the statement about religion. Our own beliefs on the matter disqualify us from doing so. But the portion about beliefs is an absurdity. I believe that dogs are animals. My neighbor believes that dogs are actually huge alien robotic dreadnoughts cleverly disguised to infiltrate our planet. And the UN is going to tell us that our belief is not "more right" than his?

ARTICLE IV- One should have the right to express their love for a member of the same sex.

Once again, we have "should", with its failure to actually set a requirement. Compounding that is the vagueness of the term "express".

The sentiments expressed in the resolution are commendable. Unfortunately, that's all they are: commendable sentiments. The resolution requires nothing, prohibits nothing, does nothing. In an area so fundamental as this, merely pronouncing platitudes is meaningless. Nations which currently act in contradiction of these sentiments will continue to do so. Nations which espouse the sentiments presented don't need to be told to do so. Non-mandatory clauses in resolutions can be useful, but only if they have some chance of having an effect. This whole resolution is a non-mandatory collection of suggestions and patently useless.

If a sound resolution were to be proposed which covered the same ground as this one but actually did something to promote the ideas expressed, we'd gladly support it. But the existence of this unfortunate piece of fluff makes that less likely to happen. This resolution should be stricken from the books.

Lorelei M. Ahlmann
Ambassador-at-Large

Yuru Namari enters the debate room. He aproaches Dr. Hodz from behind and spins him around. "Good day doctor." He says, and slams his fist into the mans face! "Thats for the cowardly blow you gave me in the strangers bar!" Yuru exits.

Wow. Apparently I was wrong about ambassadors not being in danger around here. Oh well....at least he didn't get shot...

- Ikir Askanabath, Acting Ambassador

Meanwhile, Security Chief Markus Paulanus discreetly whispers into a headset. A minute or two later, five agents of Altanar's Royal Intelligence and Security Directorate walk in and quietly take up seats around the ambassador, who looks a bit befuddled. "This place is getting to be more of a ghetto than the First Ward of Nalioka on a Saturday night. More security seems....appropriate," Paulanus quietly whispers to Askanabath.

IX sat, listening to the debate. Aw, what the hell. "The Commonwealth supports," the hologram purred.

UN law bad cos woman 'should'-can make fire and hunt if they want?

As a mere observor of this debate, one has to admire the translation management...
Jawey stopped teasing as he eyed the big club and the 'fire-starting kit'.
...perhaps I'm more than a mere observer, listen to my enthusiasm! Repeal good! Re-pe-al! Re-pe-al! Re-pe-al!

ps. Is religion defined anywhere as opposed to cult, sect etc?

ooc: cookie for the reference

Who's fudging facts? No one ever said DA deems RoMaW redundant.
Too easy.

redundant: adj.: not needed; superfluous; duplicative; characterized by similarity;

Like Discrimination Accord. It already do what Bad UN Law says do. It do things better.

I could support the repeal, since it is redundant legislation...

Glog make changes. Post new draft...UN law "Discrimination Accord" protect rights. "Discrimination Accord" GOOD!!! Protect rights better than "Rights of Minorities and Women". "Discrimination Accord" still protect rights after this repealed. Note that G l o g doesn't say "some" rights.

We of Tanular, agree with Ausserland. And, even more so, since there is a law that performs those actions, it is unnecessary to wait for another to be proposed, as there is one on the books.

Support the repeal and see if you can't get the delegation to write another law that does something.'

'Um...we already have one. The Discrimination Accord.'

'So it's redundant as well?'

'Uh, yes...'

We say repeal good, original proposal... ah, not bad but little redundant. So not good. Discrimination Accord, that very very good.Props to the Ariddians for the qualifying adjective.

So, yes, a great many are saying exactly that in so many words.

Repeal RoMaW because it is weak (realizing, of course, that anything stronger has a snowball's chance in hell to pass), repeal it because it does not deal well with its own internal inconsistencies, repeal it because people don't want the UN to support human rights. But don't hoodwink people by implying it has been supplanted by a better resolution, because it hasn't.

--L.T.

Too easy.
*snip*OK, let me modify that statement. We never said the original was entirely redundant. Of course, you quoted us as implying it was, but you took it out of context:

But certain things about UN law good. Like Discrimination Accord. It already do what Bad UN Law says do. It do things better. Wicked Witch Lady say better mean "more good." More good GOOD!!! Say UN Law Discrimination Accord do things Rights of Minorities and Women do not do. Say UN already protecting some rights. This good.Cdr. Jenny Chiang
Deputy Ambassador to the United Nations

Modified statement noted, Commander Chiang. Our apologies if we wrenched your meaning too far past the mark.

--L.T.

But don't hoodwink people by implying it has been supplanted by a better resolution, because it hasn't.
Glog not hoodwink. Not know how. Glog sing song to UN people to show that Glog trustworthy.

Glog never give you up
Glog never let you down
Glog never run around and desert you
Glog never make you cry
Glog never say goodbye
Glog never tell a lie and hurt you

Glog Firemaker, son of Glog Crushdogskullwithrock
UN Ambassador

I have seen fit to approve this proposal.

Props to you, Mr. Glog. I purchased a gift for you.

*A large package is delivered to Glog. It contains a large, dead klöllen.*

Go on, open it.

~Dr. Jules Hodz
Delegate,
Conservative Paradise

Glog sing song to UN people to show that Glog trustworthy.

Glog never give you up
Glog never let you down
Glog never run around and desert you
Glog never make you cry
Glog never say goodbye
Glog never tell a lie and hurt you


That's so beautiful that, if Ambassador Zyryanov were still around, I think it would make her cry.

Which would be unfortunate, since it would prove the words of the song wrong.


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Christophe "Yes, I always tilt my head to one side like this" Boco (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Christophe_Boco),
Ambassador to the United Nations,
PDSRA

Glog not hoodwink. Not know how. Glog sing song to UN people to show that Glog trustworthy.

Glog never give you up
Glog never let you down
Glog never run around and desert you
Glog never make you cry
Glog never say goodbye
Glog never tell a lie and hurt you

Glog Firemaker, son of Glog Crushdogskullwithrock
UN Ambassador

Perhaps Glog not know word. Same as telling cavemate bloody piece of meat is mastodon when is only squirrel. Is meat, just not as good.

Thank you for your song, Glog, the similarity to a certain purple dinosaur notwithstanding. :)

--L.T.

Sir Cyril stood up and approach the Cobdenian microphone (naturally, a very large microphone suspended from a circle by four springs at each corner)

"The Cobdenian delegation would like to...what?"

Sir Cyril turned to his secretary, Caroline Heisenberg-Little, who was whispering in his ear

"...but surely the translator...really?...but...what about protocol?...oh, for Gord sake...all right, I'll bloody well do it if it's so damn important"

replied Sir Cyril, angrily. Heisenberg-Little smiled - an angry Sir Cyril meant great apology sex.

"Uh-hum. Cobdenia think repeal GOOD!!! Rights of Minorities and Women Bad Resolution. Bad Resolution must go quick. Quicker than mammoth in Glog spear range. Mammoth GOOD!!! Bad resolution cause many problems. Like angry Mammoth. Sir Cyril give glog...urm..."

Sir Cyril started patting the pockets of his finely tailored three piece suit

"...ah! Sir Cyril give Glog bourbon biscuit and..urm...a handkerchief. Bourbon Good! Hanky...not so good"

and sat down

Serifina steps up to speak again, giving the note in her hand a brief glance of hatred as she does so, and clears her throat.

"The Sacred Kingdom of Karianis is now the UN Delegate nation for a new region. Tiny, but we hope to grow... And in that position, we've officially put our stamp of approval on Glog's repeal. And Her Divine Majesty asked me to pass along this message..."

Serifina takes a deep breath before continuing.

"UN Law BAD!! Glog repeal GOOD!! And Serifina chicken for not wanting to talk... this... way... Wait, what?" She glares at the note again, then throws her hands up in disgust as she steps away from the podium.

*A large package is delivered to Glog. It contains a large, dead klöllen.*
Glog opens the package.

What this?

Glog sniffs the dead klöllen.

Smell like weasel. Weasel GOOD!!! Glog eat!

Glog eat.

Perhaps Glog not know word. Same as telling cavemate bloody piece of meat is mastodon when is only squirrel. Is meat, just not as good.
Sound like trick. Glog not try to trick UN people. Glog change words about "Discrimination Accord" law. Maybe Rubina people like Glog repeal then.

Thank you for your song, Glog, the similarity to a certain purple dinosaur notwithstanding. :)
Glog not know about purple dinosaur. What dinosaur? Something to eat?

Glog not sing good. Song supposed to sound like Rick Astley Never Gonna Give You Up. Glog see on moving picture magic box. Make Glog dance. Moving picture box GOOD!!! Magic bad.

"...ah! Sir Cyril give Glog bourbon biscuit and..urm...a handkerchief. Bourbon Good! Hanky...not so good"
Glog takes the bourbon biscuit and hanky.

What this?

He examines the hanky.

Strange. Smell like cotton weed. What animal this skin of? Glog use to make hat.

He sniffs the bourbon biscuit, decides that it is food. Eats it.

Biscuit GOOD!!! Glog want more!

Glog Firemaker, son of Glog Crushdogskullwithrock
UN Ambassador

Glog change words about "Discrimination Accord" law. Maybe Rubina people like Glog repeal then.

Glog not know about purple dinosaur. What dinosaur? Something to eat?

Glog not sing good. Song supposed to sound like Rick Astley Never Gonna Give You Up. Glog see on moving picture magic box. Make Glog dance. Moving picture box GOOD!!! Magic bad.Yes, Glog, maybe Rubina people like repeal then.

Purple dinosaur BAD!!! Dances and sings BADly!! Should be shot. Probably no good eat though.

Glog cute when dance.

--L.T.

Rubina likes Glog. Rubina want to be Glog woman two?

All Rights are bad. No Rights is good.

Evil Rites are best.

Rubina likes Glog. Rubina want to be Glog woman two?Depend. How hot Glog woman one? :D

Depend. How hot Glog woman one? :D
Glog woman one have large breasts. Glog not have picture. Find picture later.

edit: Glog go back to cave. Find picture. Pictures of family now here. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13058940&postcount=111)

Glog men need many women. Much work to do in cave. Much wood to carry, food to cook, babies to make. Many women GOOD!!! Make Glog's life easier. Glog have only one woman now. Taking applications for more. Need five.

Glog post new draft:
UN Law "Rights of Minorities and Women" BAD!!!

Article I say "No one race or culture is better than another." What mean "better"? UN law not tell what "better" mean. This not protect any rights.

Article II say "Males and Females should be treated as equals. Whether it be in the workplace or at home". What mean "equals"? UN law not tell what "equal" mean. This not protect any rights.

Article III say "Not a single religion or belief is better or more right than another." This not tell what "better" mean either. Not tell what "right" mean. This not protect any rights.

Article IV say: "One should have the right to express their love for a member of the same sex." What "express their love" mean? UN law not say. This not protect any rights.

UN law use word "should" too much. Not strong word.

UN law not protect rights of minorities. Only mention "race" once in preamble part. Mention "race or culture" in Article I. Never mention again.

UN law not protect rights of women. Only say "should be treated as equals" in Article II. Never mention again.

UN law "Discrimination Accord" protect some rights. "Discrimination Accord" GOOD!!! Protect some rights better than "Rights of Minorities and Women". "Discrimination Accord" still protect rights after this repealed.

UN Law "Rights of Minorities and Women" do nothing, just happy words to make UN people feel good. Stand in way of new law that protect rights.

UN Law "Rights of Minorities and Women" BAD!!! UN repeal.

Glog Firemaker, son of Glog Crushdogskullwithrock
UN Ambassador

Raymond Gardner was by no means a modest man, and he wouldn't try to hide it. He had accepted his nomination to the United Nations immediately, but lacked many skills that came in use for an ambassador.

Tact, realism, and respect for others as equals were among them.

Working on the assumption that he was more intelligent than the majority of inhabitants of the multiverse, he went about his business in disdain, and often resorted to "talking down" to others. At the same time, he expected the highest standards of the bureaucratic morass he called his home.

Never had he so blatantly balanced those two facets of his personality.

"Ambassador Firemaker," he spoke with some level of respect, "this draft more good-er, I mean better. I still know-augh! I'm still unsure as to if you want new law that do more-um, whether or not you would desire the passage of a new law that protects those rights."

"Ambassador Firemaker," he spoke with some level of respect, "this draft more good-er, I mean better. I still know-augh! I'm still unsure as to if you want new law that do more-um, whether or not you would desire the passage of a new law that protects those rights."

Bob say, that not important. Mod type person say here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12050778&postcount=177) that, repeal author no need to write replacement. Bob suggest you judge repeal on it's own merits.

Bob Flibble
UN Rep person

Chiang say if you want replacement write one yourself. Chiang try to write replacement. Chiang fail. Chiang no good at human rights. Chiang too busy violating them.

~Cdr. Jenny Chiang
Deputy etc.

This august chamber can say what it likes about the G l o g ambassador's prose style, but the repeal of "Women and Minorities" is just about the best repeal I've ever read in my years here. The direct and unambiguous castigation of the original resolution is the kind of treatment many resolutions should receive. Let's see how many would pass the G l o g test.

I have endorsed the proposal and encourage my fellow UN Delegates to likewise endorse it. Not because the principle for which the resolution stands is flawed, but because the resolution itself is.

Well done, Ambassador Firemaker.

We certainly continue to support this effort to repeal a completely useless resolution. We would take issue with only one sentence:

UN law "Discrimination Accord" protect some rights. "Discrimination Accord" GOOD!!! Protect some rights better than "Rights of Minorities and Women". "Discrimination Accord" still protect rights after this repealed.

"Rights of Minorities and Women" protects nothing. As the draft points out in the succeeding clause, it's simply feel-good rhetoric. We recommend deletion of the highlighted sentence.

Lorelei M. Ahlmann
Ambassador-at-Large

I still know-augh! I'm still unsure as to if you want new law that do more-um, whether or not you would desire the passage of a new law that protects those rights."The esteemed Glog Firemaker indicated here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13077936&postcount=29") that he would support a replacement (or replacements as the case may be), but that he would not be writing them. Given a clear answer on the subject, further discussion of replacement within the repeal discussion would be impolite.

Glog go back to cave. Find picture. Pictures of family now here. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13058940&postcount=111)

Glog men need many women. Much work to do in cave. Much wood to carry, food to cook, babies to make. Many women GOOD!!! Make Glog's life easier. Glog have only one woman now. Taking applications for more. Need five.We thank Glog for finding pictures. Glog woman one very nice looking. Rubina not make very good wife... no cook, no carry wood. Can hunt. Use spear and bow. Maybe move in next door. ;)

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"Rights of Minorities and Women" protects nothing. As the draft points out in the succeeding clause, it's simply feel-good rhetoric. We recommend deletion of the highlighted sentence.Deletion of such changes the tenor and context of Glog's argument with respect to Discrimination Accord completely. If the highlighted sentence is deleted, we would rescind delegate approval of the repeal.

Leetha Talone
UN Ambassador

How would it change the tenor of the argument? He's only objecting to the part where it says DA protects rights "better" (since you can't do "better" when the comparison is nothing at all). If the sentence is taken out, it would still say DA is protecting "some" rights, just not "better."

~Cdr. Chiang

"Thank you for your help, me no did see-ah, that is, I seem to have overlooked the aforementioned comments," Gardner says. "Excuse me, I have to go take this call." He steps out, and his voice can be heard trailing down the hallway. "Still no idea what this business is about?..."

How would it change the tenor of the argument? He's only objecting to the part where it says DA protects rights "better" (since you can't do "better" when the comparison is nothing at all). If the sentence is taken out, it would still say DA is protecting "some" rights, just not "better."

~Cdr. Chiang"One" is "better" than "zero" for things one wishes to collect, yes? Thus one can compare something to nothing and say it is "better."

Removal of the sentence the Ausserlanders object to (and more importantly the two juxtaposition of the two remaining sentences in that clause) leaves the statement ambiguous and open to misinterpretation as to the level of coverage provided by DA,

--L.T.

Darren chuckles to himself, noting the stony faces of those sitting around him.

This repeal GOOD!!! Goobergunchians no need extra resolution when extra resolution do nothing.

Darren Funkel
Acting Goobergunchian UN Ambassador
Founder, Democratic Underground region

[ooc: I usually hate me-too posts on proposals, but I couldn't resist on this one....]

As stated previously, Akimonad supports, and will continue to support, this proposal.

Let us know if we can be of any assistance.

~Spock,
Deputy Ambassador

"One" is "better" than "zero" for things one wishes to collect, yes? Thus one can compare something to nothing and say it is "better."

Removal of the sentence the Ausserlanders object to (and more importantly the two juxtaposition of the two remaining sentences in that clause) leaves the statement ambiguous and open to misinterpretation as to the level of coverage provided by DA,

--L.T.

Removal of the sentence merely eliminates the logical disconnect between the clear implication that "Rights of Minorities and Women" actually protects some rights and the next clause, which correctly states that it protects nothing. Its removal introduces no ambiguity. It enhances clarity.

Lorelei M. Ahlmann
Ambassador-at-Large

Magick and Witchcraft support Glog repeal. Glog repeal very good.


Autumn Pantherpaw
Dictator of Magic and Witchcraft.

Glog busy. Leave UN cave mountain to hunt mastodon. Not find mastodon but find much cattle in nearby field. Glog kill, eat. Cow GOOD!!! Man shoot at Glog with thunderstick. Say "Glog Bad! Glog go away!" Glog go away. Thunderstick BAD!!!

Glog return to UN cave mountain, post new draft:

UN Law "Rights of Minorities and Women" BAD!!!

Article I say "No one race or culture is better than another." What mean "better"? UN law not tell what "better" mean. This not protect any rights.

Article II say "Males and Females should be treated as equals. Whether it be in the workplace or at home". What mean "equals"? UN law not tell what "equal" mean. This not protect any rights.

Article III say "Not a single religion or belief is better or more right than another." This not tell what "better" mean either. Not tell what "right" mean. This not protect any rights.

Article IV say: "One should have the right to express their love for a member of the same sex." What "express their love" mean? UN law not say. This not protect any rights.

UN law use word "should" too much. Not strong word.

UN law not protect rights of minorities. Only mention "race" once in preamble part. Mention "race or culture" in Article I. Never mention again.

UN law not protect rights of women. Only say "should be treated as equals" in Article II. Never mention again.

UN law "Discrimination Accord" protect some rights. "Discrimination Accord" GOOD!!! "Discrimination Accord" still protect rights after this repealed. "Rights of Minorities and Women" not protect any rights.

UN Law "Rights of Minorities and Women" do nothing, just happy words to make UN people feel good. Stand in way of new law that protect rights.

UN Law "Rights of Minorities and Women" BAD!!! UN repeal.

I am pleased that this proposal has been re-submitted, and I have submitted my approval once again.

Eros Tatriel
UN Rep. for Subistratica

"Pointy, did you by any chance shoot at the the Glogian ambassador?"

"What?"

"Did you shoot the Glogian ambassador"

"I didn't shoot him. I missed. The little w*g was eating the bally cattle"

"But it's not your bloody cattle! Why did you shoot at him, and what the hell were you doing in the field with a gun?"

"I was waiting for a w*g to try and it eat it, that's what I was doing. I didn't fight on the North West Frontier, Flanders, Mafeking, Omdurman, Isandlwhana, Balaclava, Waterloo, Salamanca, Bunker Hill, Naseby, Bosworth Field, Agincourt and Hastings just to let w*g's eat heifers, what?!"

"He's not a f*cking w*g, Pointy, you wanker!"

"He bally well looked like one!"

"Oh, for the love of all things Holy, he's a bloody caveman."

"I don't care if he was the Glogian Ambassador, he shouldn't eat cattle!"

"He was the Glogian Ambassador, Pointy"

"Oh...erm...what should I do"

"STOP BLOODY SHOOTING AT HIM FOR A START!"

Glog submit repeal. Send telegram message to many Delegates.

UN Delegate Person,

Hello. I Glog. Glog submit repeal of Resolution #80, Rights of Minorities and Women.
Rights of Minorities and Women BAD!!! Not protect rights of minorities. Not protect
rights of women. Resolution do nothing. Stand in way of better law that protect
rights. Repeal found here:

http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_proposal1/match=minorities

Glog thank UN Delegate person for time and ask for approval of repeal.

Approval GOOD!!!

Glog Firemaker, son of Glog Crushdogskullwithrock
UN Ambassador

Shemp like funny proposal. Shemp laugh till Shemp shoot grape juice out nose. Shemp sad Shemp not delegate. Shemp approve. Shemp go drink magic water in Strangers' Bar and watch game on magic moving cave picture show box now. Shemp give Glog gift of magic sound-making box with wires for ears. Make pretty music! Glog enjoy.

Shemp No. 3
Observer to the United Nations

We hope this resolution finally comes to a vote this time around. It would be nice to clean up the record books a bit by striking out dreams and false hopes (and possibly some real ones, we aren't picky).

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby VI
UN Ambassador and Minister of Apologies
Newly Appointed Minister of Civil and Military Calender Distribution

Trey think repeal good. Trey go delegate. Trey get support. Trey talk like Glog to get support. Trey think Glog speak bad. Trey speak bad too. Glog speak funny. Funny good.

"Rights of Minorities and Women" bad. UN strong. Me not strong. This bad.

"Rights of Minorities and Women" not do thing "Discrimination Accord" do. "Discrimination Accord" do thing "Rights of Minorities and Women" going to do but forgot. We not forget, Glog not forget. GLOG GOOD!

Y'know, only G L O G is a nation of cavemen. For the rest of you to (pardon the expression) 'ape' their ambassador's speech is just a wee bit racist and derogatory.







Not that there's necessarily anything wrong with that ...

Glog say he not know big word. Me use small word. Me use small thoughts. Me know Glog speak.

Y'know, only G L O G is a nation of cavemen. For the rest of you to (pardon the expression) 'ape' their ambassador's speech is just a wee bit racist and derogatory.







Not that there's necessarily anything wrong with that ...

I personally prefer to think of it as imitation being the sincerest form of flattery.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

Y'know, only G L O G is a nation of cavemen. For the rest of you to (pardon the expression) 'ape' their ambassador's speech is just a wee bit racist and derogatory.







Not that there's necessarily anything wrong with that ...

Would you say the same if we all replied to an ambassador speaking in his native tongue by speaking in the same tongue?

Y'know, my home is a nation of Intangibles, who speak Tangel. If any of you were to reply to me in Tangel, I'd be very surprised...and then delighted. Isn't there enough political correctness in the modern world?

I think I will make it my policy to speak Glog-ian to all ambassadors. Or at least very slowly, with lots of arm gestures and a funny accent.

You have our full endorsement, Glog. I do hope the necessary amount of people do the same.

Commendable work, we welcome any delegates from your nation who enjoy a good hunt to visit any time. We don't have mastadon, but our forests are rife with elephant.

- Gordon Tills, Roseariean ambassador.

Apparently this has been submitted (www.nationstates.net/page=UN_proposal1/match=minorities) again. Approve! Approve!

...at the ding of a bell. :)

Glog submit again. Send many telegram messages. More than ten. Many more! Thank Kennyite person for posting approval link thing. Approvals GOOD!!!

Y'know, only G L O G is a nation of cavemen. For the rest of you to (pardon the expression) 'ape' their ambassador's speech is just a wee bit racist and derogatory.

In the name of the Eternal Kawaii (mtCObp)

MEMORANDUM TO: The NSUN General Assembly
FROM: Nunciate, The Diaspora Church of the Eternal Kawaii
SUBJECT: The Kawaiian Nuncia's Speech of Jouchan 4, 1189th Moon of the Fire Rat (23 September 2006 Gregorian)

We wish to let it be known that the authors of said speech have been sacked.

Mister Dreizehn stands up to speak.

"To long have we ignored these early resolutions that do nothing, and stop us from stopping things. I commend Glog. I'll renew my offer to help get the word out if you want it Glog, assuming you kept track of who you've already sent telegrams to."

OOC: Though I doubt you need it, from the looks of it this'll be the next resolution up, very soon.

In the name of the Eternal Kawaii (mtCObp)

MEMORANDUM TO: The NSUN General Assembly
FROM: Nunciate, The Diaspora Church of the Eternal Kawaii
SUBJECT: The Kawaiian Nuncia's Speech of Jouchan 4, 1189th Moon of the Fire Rat (23 September 2006 Gregorian)

We wish to let it be known that the authors of said speech have been sacked.

Huh. Interesting. I wonder, are your speechwriters time travelers, as well? Because this discussion was started in 2007...

I suppose a Kawaiian scribe not too familiar with Gregorian dating can be forgiven one tiny little error.

I suppose a Kawaiian scribe not too familiar with Gregorian dating can be forgiven one tiny little error.

Personally, I'd send any scribe who made a mistake like that to Cleveland.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

I can understand this point of view, and the act has been written so that it "could" be mistranslated. The act, however, does not push any race or sex above one another, but gives minorities there equal chance, so i will not be repealing this.

The main problem with the current law is that it doesn't do anything at all. If anything, it simply says that the UN prefers a lack of prejudices. Although personally, I would prefer legislation to replace this, instead of simply appealing it, with an act that guarantees all groups equal rights.

The main problem with the current law is that it doesn't do anything at all.Then why not repeal it?

Although personally, I would prefer legislation to replace this, instead of simply appealing it, with an act that guarantees all groups equal rights.You have to wait for a separate resolution to accomplish this. Repeals cannot replace, they can only repeal.

Status: Quorum Reached: In Queue!
Quorum so easy, even caveman can do it.

OOC: This thread is seven pages long and includes old versions of the repeal so I'll be starting a new "AT VOTE" thread with Glogpoll™ and everything.

Quorum so easy, even caveman can do it.Quorum GOOD! :D

Congratulations, Glog Firemaker.

Quorum so easy, even caveman can do it.

OOC: I wondered how long it'd be before we saw this joke.