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Yo, This is from the Holy Republic of Ravenswolfy, who is the delegate for Greater Austin. If you'll please read my UN proposal and please vote, it will be much appreciated. Thankyou.

Ahem. Next time, please post the text of the proposal for the perusal of the distinguished delegates wandering these halls.

Minister of Hospitality
Meritania Garrote


Project Star Defense

A resolution to improve world security by boosting police and military budgets.

Category: International Security
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Ravenswolfy

Description: <---Proposal--->
My proprosal is a Global Defense System.
The average populace of our world feels we are a secluded planet drifting in the ever vast galaxy we call the Milky Way. However scientist and stargazers alike feel there is some intelligence greater than our own out their in the deep void. So I propose we have a defense network grid that covers 99.99% of the planets surface with multiple killzone boxes. The best way I belive this can work is through space stations armed with an array of high velocity and wide impact and long distance ammunition such as uber nukes "nukes that are 500,000megatons and more" and atlas intercontiental missles. Now it is highly unlikely that we will be assaulted by some technological race and wiped off the face of the planet but the planetary defense will also stop planet killing astroids & comets.

<---Mandates--->

A.) Space station plat forms may cross over any space in the atmosphere.

B.) crews will be recruited from around the world. From the each nation's military and also from the UN peace keeper force.

C.) space training will be provided through Nasa and the European Space Agency.

D.) nations that are UN members that specialize in arms manufacturing can supply the neccessary armaments for the space platforms. "of course a compliment check will go to nations who supply the 500,000+ megaton nuclear warheads"

E.) space platform to ground base communications will be focused through Nasa and European Space Agency.

F.) tech support and equipment support and networking communications will be focused through Nasa and European Space Agency.

G.) space shuttles & space transports from any nation may dock at any platform for repairs and supplies if needed.

H.) existing satelites will be remodified to not oly do their purpose but to help scan/report/monitor killzone boxes and out space.

I.) ground base satelites will have to be focused along the Equator/tropics of cancer and capricorn and along the artic and antartic circle.

J.) along with space defense platforms will be space service stations to store supplies.

K.) special landing zones will be created if a space defense platform has to crash back into the earth. landing zones will consist of all 7 oceans. and All major Deserts and including Antartica.

L.) special civilian shuttles will be made to transport civilian contractors to the stations and also transport familes to see their relatives working on the platoforms.

I hope the Nations of the UN considers this for the better and future of Humanity.

Approvals: 3 (Ravenswolfy, Extremation, Forethrogenar)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 116 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Thu Sep 20 2007

Yo, This is from the Holy Republic of Ravenswolfy, who is the delegate for Greater Austin. If you'll please read my UN proposal and please vote, it will be much appreciated. Thankyou.

In the future you need to post the proposal in here so all can read it. Also it may save you seeing it booted because it is not legal.. As posting it here allows others to help you get it ready for vote and keeps you from getting booted for posting to many illegal proposals..

The average populace of our world feels we are a secluded planet drifting in the ever vast galaxy we call the Milky Way. However scientist and stargazers alike feel there is some intelligence greater than our own out their in the deep void. So I propose we have a defense network grid that covers 99.99% of the planets surface with multiple killzone boxes. The best way I belive this can work is through space stations armed with an array of high velocity and wide impact and long distance ammunition such as uber nukes "nukes that are 500,000megatons and more" and atlas intercontiental missles. Now it is highly unlikely that we will be assaulted by some technological race and wiped off the face of the planet but the planetary defense will also stop planet killing astroids & comets.Glad to see some humans that believe we are out here and always watching them make fools of themselves....


Now for the rest of this.. Since you refer to RW items in it this will probably not fly. NASA is the Nudist Angelic Society of Anticara or that is what we were told it was. Thus I would not like to see folks showing their pale moons on a pale moom....

The big questions here is who will pay for all this stuff you propose or mandate...? You? I do not believe nations that have no interest in space will like it and those in space now won't want the rest of them messing up things in their part of the universe.

okay.. if a astroid/comet hits you, dont come crying to me cuz u didnt support it

how would these international space stations co-exist in staes of hostility. and who would be accountable? whilst international space cooperation is good in peace in war it can be dreadful.


whilst cavirra's views can be easily rectified by deleting the necessary parts and changing a few words. ie planet to planets, dumping rl etc.

however there are some serious flaws-
what guarantees can the author make of thecraigzone's sateliite defense networks' independence. i mean i may wish to destroy country a's space military assets but couldnt as country b had its staff there, or even worse thecraigzone's people. the daft invader acknowledges your view and worry about the world(s) being wiped out by technologically advanced races, but believes that the world is too hostile and different for this to work. for one thing language barriers, as can be seen in the recent debate about universal id codes for vehicles.

international space cooperation has been about peace and love and spreading internationalism. giving multiple nations more weaponry is not.

also what effect would this have for freedoms of movement for civilian transport?

however, thecraigzone's intelligence agency the CZIA has produced several reports about the threat to different planets that require international attention to deal with (ooc: independence day) and suggest that a treaty be established for each nation to research counter alien tech and have some forces and units set aside to deal with the alien threat if it comes.

in the event of an asteroid or comet threatening different planets, enforced cooperation would take place and several nations wpuld probably be able to destroy them independently, so there would be no need to actually legislate on this issue. again, perhaps setting up a commission in your proposal to monitor these threats may be the best course of action.

Unless ofcourse it were beneficial for some party to simply ignore the threat of an asteroid to a hostile region/nation.

I think it could work as an "umbrella" defense system, one completely seperate from any form of national alliance, which could help on some level to eliminate space-born threats, especially for nations which are struggling economically and cannot readily defend themselves against such a threat. It would not neccisarily have to be grandoise or expansive, but perhaps responsive and quick, much like UN Peace Keeper forces. Ultimately, individual nations would be most responsible for their own defense if they except any serious degree of aid from this program, but every little bit could help a struggling nation.

Just a thought.

that would be illegal.

i didnt go as far as suggesting the un would control the set aside international forces that i suggested the author consider implementing, as that would contravene the idea of the un having no military.

and a comet has an impact (in several ways) to multiple nations, and i suppose i could annpunce now the CZ Armed forces have financed a huge grid of anti comet satellites and gps led nukes, which will be launched at any hint of a comet, despite where its headed. (one awesome plan is a giant titanium cricket bat aimed to hit the comet for 6!)

i dont think a locked mutual defence agreement against comets is worth legislating for as several countries will meet the threat independently.

K.) special landing zones will be created if a space defense platform has to crash back into the earth. landing zones will consist of all 7 oceans. and All major Deserts and including Antartica
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The Kennyites and others who live in Antarctic Oasis won't be pleased at that clause.:D

much like UN Peace Keeper forces. Just a thought.Unless the UN is in violation of it's own policies then it has no Peace Keeper Force. This is a dream many may want for the UN to be the 'big brother' to all send in troops and tanks to help stop wars and all that but here it just don't happen. The UN here has no such options to have an army navy even a police force.


It would not neccisarily have to be grandoise or expansive

Also you keep referencing this as if it were set on one planet but have yet to see that there are many worlds out there that must be considered in this as members of the UN live on these worlds across the universe. Thus something less than grandoise and expansive would not cover all the members... This all would be expensive and the question again comes up who will pay for it all?

okay.. if a astroid/comet hits you, dont come crying to me cuz u didnt support itWe would simply power up our Ignore Cannons and deal with it; turning it into fairy dust and then collect it and sale it at a moderate price to the Sqaures over in Fairyvalley as we have done for years now..

Yaybor is a very isolated land, and until recently we were hunter/gatherers. Right now, we're more interested in catching up to the rest of the world than we are in expensive space weapons.

We are not saying we support this measure and we are not saying we don't. We can inform all members that we do have some very high grade ore to sell ...

:eek:
The Kennyites and others who live in Antarctic Oasis won't be pleased at that clause.:D
Glog live in Antarctic Oasis. Glog not pleased with clause from UN law. Sky cave BAD!!! Sky cave crash in Glog land MORE BAD!!!.

Glog Firemaker, son of Glog Crushdogskullwithrock
UN Ambassador

While the Logopian nation believes in the advantages of a planetary defense system, we have to stand opposed to this proposal. We have a nubmer of serios objections to it.

B.) crews will be recruited from around the world. From the each nation's military and also from the UN peace keeper force.

As pointed before, there is no such thing as a UN peace keeper force.

C.) space training will be provided through Nasa and the European Space Agency.

Illegal, entities from the fictional world of RL are not allowed in proposals.

"of course a compliment check will go to nations who supply the 500,000+ megaton nuclear warheads"

I believe you mean "compliance"

E.) space platform to ground base communications will be focused through Nasa and European Space Agency.

F.) tech support and equipment support and networking communications will be focused through Nasa and European Space Agency.

Illegal, just as clause b

G.) space shuttles & space transports from any nation may dock at any platform for repairs and supplies if needed.

We firmly believe nations have every right to treat their space stations/platforms as part of their territory. As so, we see this clause as an unacceptable overriding of national sovereignity. We are specially uncomfortable with this clause refering to any nation, and not jus UN member states.

K.) special landing zones will be created if a space defense platform has to crash back into the earth. landing zones will consist of all 7 oceans. and All major Deserts and including Antartica.

As previously noted, Antartica is a populated region. Turning it into a crash site is simply not acceptable.

A few other comments,

This propsal implies having a heavily armed force in orbit. It is not clear who would control it. If it is the UN, and we see no other reasonable candidate, then this proposal is creating a de facto UN military and thus illegal.

Un member states exist in diferent planets and timelines. This can become one of the hardest issues in writing UN propsals, as proved by the failure to address it in this proposal.

We would recommend the honored ambassador of Ravenswolfy to allow discussion of future proposals before submiting them for delegate approval. Despite appearances, some of the brightest minds in the NS multiverse converge here. More often that not, debate previous to submission results in an important improvement of the submitted material.