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Due to the recent string of terrorist attacks, instigated by rogue nations, the United Nations hereby creates the United Nations Anti-Terrorism Commission to help catch terrorists and the United Nations International Terrorism Tribunal to try them. The UN also strongly urges member nations to:

Increase funding for intelligence gathering

Extradite anybody who is accused of terrorism by a fellow UN member

Pass a Patriot Act to provide better intelligence gathering powers

Legalize the use of any and all interrogation tactics, including torture

Issue letters of Marque and Reprisal to privateers to catch terrorists who are abroad in other countries

Institute stricter airport security measures

Increase funding for the Military

and to otherwise do whatever is necessary to bring any and all terrorists to justice

Let's see, your Commission would be a UN military and therefore illegal. Furthermore, if you had read the list of passed proposals, you'd see that we already have a resolution on terrorism (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11434528&postcount=169).

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

And you can't legalize the use of torture without repealing at least a couple of earlier resolutions, either...

Let's see, your Commission would be a UN military and therefore illegal. Furthermore, if you had read the list of passed proposals, you'd see that we already have a resolution on terrorism (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11434528&postcount=169).

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

technically, it's not a military. The commission could just be made up of magical gnomes who provide information to member nations to help catch terrorists. They don't have to get in the minutiae of actually hunting them down.
And they proposal would ask nations to bolster their own military units, not to create an international one.

However, it's a grand waste of time, Statistian Ambassador, to post up something like it.

-- Marcus Diegaus III

Pass a Patriot Act to provide better intelligence gathering powers

If my memory serves me right, real life references are also illegal.

technically, it's not a military. So is it a police force or something like the CIA NSA FBI SS KGB or whatever as it also may not be legal for the UN to have these.

The commission could just be made up of magical gnomes who provide information to member nations to help catch terrorists. They don't have to get in the minutiae of actually hunting them down. Would you give the UN gnomes a break they already have way to many hours as is and still don't get all the things that they should be doing done.

And they proposal would ask nations to bolster their own military units, not to create an international one. This idea will get many opposed to it as they believe in no military at all and thus have no need for one.

Issue letters of Marque and Reprisal to privateers to catch terrorists who are abroad in other countriesPart of the problem with this is why we now have terrorist around. As many of those we call terrorists were once friends helping stop other things. Then when they were no longer needed they got tossed aside so have reason to not trust or hate those once friends that made promises and have broken them.

However, it's a grand waste of time, Statistian Ambassador, to post up something like it. Wasting time is sitting on an idea and not first presenting it to let others chew on some of your a... mean resolution. better to let the old folks in here with bad teeth chew on it than the ones watch resolutions go up for vote they have good sharp teeth...

Do you even speak UN Basic?

-- M. Diegaus III

the problem with this resolution is that its completely gung ho and unregulated.

the idea of 'the good guys' being those who bring the terrorists to justrice is that their actions are accountable, and methods humane. this gives you what is commonly known as 'the moral high ground'.

as for the real life example, the patriot act is a shambles, and has resulted in a variety of miscarriages of justice, and, to my knowledge, no successful convictions that would have been impossible under existing laws.

terrorists to justrice is that their actions are accountable, and methods humane. this gives you what is commonly known as 'the moral high ground'.and the terrorists even higher ground and in battle most times it one who has the higher ground wins..... and to use "methods humane" in the same text with terrorist... how do you catch them if they don't know the meaning of those words?

Almost as bad as calling hanging the rapist murderer butcher of a minor barbaric a violation of some right they have.. and that is about the attitude in some countries that want to be safe and free but not willing to bleed a little for it.

As for the Patroit Act and convictions. If a man is talking and we bring him to trail then everything anyone learned from him will be all over the news on TV under our laws so..... no good and the terrorist win...

there are 2 things that we must think bout this cunter terorism:
1.a terorist against a side maybe called as a hero in other side.it's mean when we use force to destroy this terorism, other terorist will born cause they think that we have been destroy their hero.
2.using force against force is not a good idea,but who has better?I mean, we cant stop a terorism using this method,but i dont see another better idea.Finish the terorist with hard punishment like death punishment only make them stop for a while but oneday will come another terorist.

sincerely,
Ambassador of HeavenlyStar

Not to rain on the parade of a new arrival, but there are so many problems we'd have with this proposal, it's hard to figure out where to begin.

Increase funding for intelligence gathering

We don't like being told what our funding priorities should be unless there's a good reason for it. We don't see one here.

Extradite anybody who is accused of terrorism by a fellow UN member

There is so much potential for abuse in that clause. Any government could accuse someone they didn't like of terrorism, and if that person was in another UN member state, that state would have no choice but to extradite them, whether or not the accusations had any legitimate merit.

Pass a Patriot Act to provide better intelligence gathering powers

Illegal reference, and we also don't like being told what laws to pass without good reason, which this proposal really doesn't offer.

Legalize the use of any and all interrogation tactics, including torture

Illegal and entirely too morally ambiguous.

Issue letters of Marque and Reprisal to privateers to catch terrorists who are abroad in other countries

So now the UN is supposed to legitimize employing the equivalent of bounty hunters to blatantly infringe upon a nation's sovereignty, enter that nation, and catch someone whether or not the government in question wants those bounty-hunting yahoos there? Absolutely not. Altanar has professional law enforcement and military personnel, and we don't have any intention whatsoever to allow any jackass who can hold a letter, and pin a one-solari tin-plate "badge" to themselves, to run rampant in our nation trying to "catch" people. We banned bounty hunters in our nation; why would we open ourselves up to letting the entire freaking roster of UN members send those kind of people to our nation? No, no, a thousand times no. We would, in fact, arrest "privateers" or bounty hunters and deport them, and tell the nations that sent them to try sending professionals next time, with our permission.

Institute stricter airport security measures

A good idea, but quite vague on specifics.

Increase funding for the Military

Also very vague on specifics, and doesn't take into account the desires of nations who don't want a big or expensive military, or can't afford one.

and to otherwise do whatever is necessary to bring any and all terrorists to justice

In a proposal full of morally ambiguous clauses open to rampant abuse, it seems appropriate that this one ends the whole shebang.

This needs a lot of work. And that's putting it very, very mildly. We couldn't support this as it is now. Bear in mind that Altanar has dealt with a terrorist insurgency for over 30 years, and recently had terrorists assassinate our Prime Minister-elect and the majority of our High Council. If we can't support an antiterrorism proposal, after all that, that should tell you something about the proposal.

Jinella Agaranth, Ambassador

As far as I know, one of the most important tasks of the UN is to save the human rights all around the world. But wouldn't it be quite the other way round to allow or even force tortures by law?! And what about the protection of privacy? How can you search for terrorists if you don't vigilate people etc., which is obviously illegal...

I think such a resolution is complete nonsense, given that it breaks a lot of current laws.