NationStates Jolt Archive

We had a draft ready for submission for awhile, that mainly concentrated on duplication to the SPCC Regulation Act. With its probable repeal, we encountered some difficulties in drafting this repeal, but we're still makin' a go at it.

The General Assembly of the United Nations,

APPLAUDING the attempts of Resolution #11: “Ban Single-Hulled Tankers” to prevent serious environmental damages involving oil tanker ships;

NOTING WITH REGRET that Resolution #11 makes little legislative effort to actually prevent the oil spills referenced to, only providing the rhetoric that the United Nations “must unite to ban single-hulled tankers and endorse the use of double-hulled tankers”;

REALIZING that serious environmental issues such as oil spills should be dealt with by the United Nations in legislation that contains more than mere rhetoric;

UNDERSTANDING that it is in the interests of the United Nations to strike out legislation containing mostly persuasion, not action;

1. REPEALS Resolution #11: “Ban Single-Hulled Tankers.”

2. ENDORSES the passage of legislation containing more actionable language to prevent serious environmental hazards, including oil spills.

NOTING WITH REGRET that Resolution #11 makes little legislative effort to actually prevent the oil spills referenced to, only providing the rhetoric that the United Nations “must unite to ban single-hulled tankers and endorse the use of double-hulled tankers”;You could probably get away with saying "makes no legislative effort..." as the quoted portion is little more than holding hands and singing.

REALIZING that serious environmental issues such as oil spills should be dealt with by the United Nations in legislation that contains more than mere rhetoric;For some reason, this scans weird. The phrasing seems a little clunky. Perhaps "BELIEVING" or a more affirmative opener. "REALIZING" is rather passive, much like the original law.

UNDERSTANDING that it is in the interests of the United Nations to strike out legislation containing mostly persuasion, not action;This needs work too. Perhaps something more like:

"UNDERSTANDING that it is in the interests of the United Nations to eliminate legislation that contains nothing more than rhetoric."

2. ENDORSES the passage of legislation containing more actionable language to prevent serious environmental hazards, including oil spills.Probably should shove the word "comprehensive" in there somewhere.

Seems to me that one of the biggest problems with the original (aside from the lack of true action; something common in those days) is the laser-beam focus on single-hulled tankers, as opposed to a comprehensive series of actions to deal with all sources of spills and with their clean-up. It's similar to slapping a Band-Aid^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H"adhesive strip" on a sucking chest wound: it would make a politician feel good, but it does little to address the real problem.

Granted, that's more fuel for a possible replacement, but pointing out further areas where the resolution is lacking might be effective. Even if you aren't as snarky as Surly.


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While we're not entirely sure we would consider the clause in question to be actually illegal, it's certainly awkward and doesn't seem fitting. Why would this Assembly have to "endorse" something that it will decide upon later, if it comes up? Further, "actionable" is the wrong word to use here.

We'd suggest the whole thing be resolved by removing that clause and inserting the following after the UNDERSTANDING clause:

"BELIEVING that more comprehensive and effective legislation can and should be enacted to eliminate serious environmental hazards,"

Lorelei M. Ahlmann
Ambassador-at-Large

IC: Onya, Lorelei! You go, girl!

OOC: Why would this Assembly have to "endorse" something that it will decide upon later, if it comes up?

Spot on, Auss. Yeah, that works beautifully -- for me. How's it go for the proposer?

Agree with the suggestions made by the other representatives before me; and, with suh alterations, would support this repeal.

Largely because it would make Cobdenia the undisputed god of aquatic resolutions...

Spot on, Auss. Yeah, that works beautifully -- for me. How's it go for the proposer?

Fine with me, too. I wasn't completely confident with the wording of the clause either when I wrote it. This will be ready for resubmission shortly. Very little campaigning resulted in ~57 approvals with one day left. Not bad.

New draft:

The General Assembly of the United Nations,

APPLAUDING the attempts of Resolution #11: "Ban Single-Hulled Tankers" to prevent serious environmental damages involving oil tanker ships;

NOTING WITH REGRET that Resolution #11 makes no legislative effort to actually prevent the oil spills referenced to, only providing the rhetoric that the United Nations "must unite to ban single-hulled tankers and endorse the use of double-hulled tankers";

BELIEVING that serious environmental issues such as oil spills should be addressed by the United Nations with legislation that contains more than mere rhetoric;

UNDERSTANDING that it is in the interests of the United Nations to eliminate legislation that contains nothing more than rhetoric;

BELIEVING that more comprehensive and effective legislation can and should be enacted to eliminate serious environmental hazards;

REPEALS Resolution #11: "Ban Single-Hulled Tankers."

(Though, now the two believing clauses seem somewhat similar.)

(Though, now the two believing clauses seem somewhat similar.)Combine them somehow.

Or perhaps replace the first "BELIEVING" with "CONVINCED" or something similar? The two clauses have different points, despite their similarity, so we think the argument is better served by not combining them.

Or perhaps replace the first "BELIEVING" with "CONVINCED" or something similar?That would work for the first BELIEVING clause:

CONVINCED that serious environmental issues such as oil spills should be addressed by the United Nations with legislation that contains more than mere rhetoric;

UNDERSTANDING that it is in the interests of the United Nations to eliminate legislation that contains nothing more than rhetoric;

BELIEVING that more comprehensive and effective legislation can and should be enacted to eliminate serious environmental hazards;

Yep.

Lorelei M. Ahlmann
Ambassador-at-Large

Yep.

Lorelei M. Ahlmann
Ambassador-at-Large

Astute as always.

And also alliterative.

i would have to agree with the proposal because all Single-Hulled Tankers put everyone at a risk, this includes plants and animals. this means that all tankers must have more then 2 hulls to ensure safety.

Friendly bump for Jey since I've just gutted his thread. Discussion on the legality of various phrasings in Repeals has been moved here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=536792).

Friendly bump for Jey since I've just gutted his thread. Discussion on the legality of various phrasings in Repeals has been moved here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=536792).

Thanks Hack. I've finally found the time to get a good TG campaign together, so this has been resubmitted:

The General Assembly of the United Nations,

APPLAUDING the attempts of Resolution #11: "Ban Single-Hulled Tankers" to prevent serious environmental damages involving oil tanker ships;

NOTING WITH REGRET that Resolution #11 makes no legislative effort to actually prevent the oil spills referenced to, only providing the rhetoric that the United Nations "must unite to ban single-hulled tankers and endorse the use of double-hulled tankers";

CONVINCED that serious environmental issues such as oil spills should be addressed by the United Nations with legislation that contains more than mere rhetoric;

UNDERSTANDING that it is in the interests of the United Nations to eliminate legislation that contains nothing more than rhetoric;

BELIEVING that more comprehensive and effective legislation can and should be enacted to eliminate serious environmental hazards;

REPEALS Resolution #11: "Ban Single-Hulled Tankers."

Approval Link (http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_proposal1/match=tankers)

Meh. Didn't have quite the time I had anticipated. Reached ~95 approvals. Resubmit in 1-2 days hopefully.

Meh. Didn't have quite the time I had anticipated. Reached ~95 approvals. Resubmit in 1-2 days hopefully.Or maybe a month and a half on...

I knew we had a thread on this somewhere...

Com'on, delegates! As long as we're tossing out (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=540505) the trash (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=540284) this cycle, might as well lob another one in. Approve today (www.nationstates.net/page=UN_proposal1/match=tankers)!!

Or maybe a month and a half on...

I knew we had a thread on this somewhere...

Com'on, delegates! As long as we're tossing out (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=540505) the trash (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=540284) this cycle, might as well lob another one in. Approve today (www.nationstates.net/page=UN_proposal1/match=tankers)!!

Heh. Hopefully it will turn out better this time, but it's not lookin good. Needs 20+ approvals over night.

Heh. Hopefully it will turn out better this time, but it's not lookin good. Needs 20+ approvals over night.

Better than any of my repeals have done.

And I approved this. So there's one vote.

Assuming this one bites the dust of course, who's in for a little group-TGing later this week? ;)

~100 approvals this time. Will resubmit later this week. (I actually will this time....hopefully.)

Hope you copied down the list before it expired. Use these names too from the Max Barry repeal:

Approvals: 283 (El Guerrero, Mallatarsland, The Kings Guard, Fioteria, Akimonad UN Mission, Mephras, South Lorenya, Erese, West Pacific, Randomman, Ikeania, Yshurak, Crezlyvania, Pierre Auguste Renoir, Jey, Aurania-Shifre, Poodledomism, Rubina, Uiri, Free Liberal America, Grahameni, Homieville, El Joob, AlkebuLan, Liongrotto, Subistratica, Gravelbourg, Marvellous Maesse, Co-ed Showers, Tekumel, Grand Cavvus Islands, Tilus, Strashky, Zul Gurub, Intelligenstan, Sturmen Sie Drachen, Trekmania, Oxymorontopia, Albalast, I Hate The Army, Blahminia, Lichto, The Great Naked Tribe, Gandylanders, Animefinalfantasyx, Galemir, The Demonic Republic, WZ Forums, The Black Wolf Clan, Lord Sumguy, The Narnian Council, Flibbleites, Grave Danger, NeuEuropa, Slaabovia, Myrrtopia, Avarita, Emhonda, Sentinel Optik, Grailquest, Thelostsouls, Porscheville, Luxtizeria, Kikionia, NewTexas, The New Temple Knights, Inclement Weather, Mutual Enterprise, Ransium, Karianis, Hostile Psychotics, Itzotica, Rhomlia, Weedelton, Belphalas, Gataconn, Dashanzi, The Monkye, Kadwylion, The Xeni, Neudel, Kleinekatzen, InterFacer Ph, Landreth, Jozmilia, Extremation, Sucram-Leon, The Voltarum, Ebronerk, Coinsetta, Compulsoria, TAOs UN NATION, Cylea, Trilliumm, ShuHan, Pribislav, Eiserne Faustregel, Etomia, Radkonia, Drunkhobia, Tirabon, Masaro-yaye, Hadristan, Bullavia, Trots en Macht, Intangelon, Lorallin, The Great Arthur, Trentoli, Almighty Eulji Mundeok, Jeihskville, Kungpaomao, Shanomac, Krankor, Bloated Ghouls, Mikltk, Zohar Houston, Eithlandia, Cazelia, DHaran Islands, Sparkly Gems, New Maastricht, Toasttearia, Comnemnus, The Cheese Grater, Breckinshire, EquiIibrium, King George The 108th, Ivanstad, Summer Forever Islands, Rasabon, Mathoides, Happy-Happy Summer, Arelica, Rough Guess, Endmile, RubyFang, Sting95, Zombie Love, Yetilobster, Cebren, Cheseeseehc, Kraddick, The mastersword, Ja Rastafarian Peoples, Stankistia, Cathhyy, Tribes of Nomads, Project Quantum Leap, Benjari, Zargoza, Sir Reg Empey, James_xenoland, New New Macedonia, BeerPong VII, The Ratt1esnake, Antrium, Kanslavia, Noble Britannian, Queltz, East Hylia, Monismania, Emeden, States of Stephenson, Gilheim, Florida Hill, Ternalaria, Pmace, Top Gunners, Amekora, Rhelan, Cynical Alcoholics, Aisleyne, Letminlt, The Western Fringe, Roma Neptuni, Mooanda, Spaz Land, Gragantuan, Chachazoom, Black Rhino, East Ying, Uniataria, Remba, Spinozas God, Kivistan UN Bordello, Satik, Hatkake, Assinnination, Fingletown, Bradendon2, Alcair Dazar, Le Terre, Dunnathia, Fourth Squad, Monkeys with TommyGuns, Weller Centennial, Ademia, Confederate Memorial, The Oceanic Peoples, Garsidia, The Polish Horsemen, Darjee, Wudderice, Maddnis, Bunga-Dunga, Architeuthis, Flemingovia, Cemetary Wastelands, YourMaster, Fudgetopia, Island 101, Sir samuel moore, Will And Reason, Nakawai, Greater Acention, New Morrisia, Dramura, Spherilion Military, Toftenvania, A Large Desert, The Hussites, Rejistania, The Feather, Nixicos, Teply, Pink basketballs, Allenstan, Chin can san, TheQuatch, Bwaaah, Aldermaston, Katzaka, Manussa, The-Thing, Mawonia, Squir-topia, Imperium Hominum, Vault 10, Dolvaria, Hisnot3, Anglo Germany, Simlish territories, Hamiltana, Romandeos, CommunistFirstNations, Naughty Slave Girls, One More Night, Terra novist, Loony Toon Land, Spartakles, Chezes, Winchester Thurston, Orchistan, The East Dogs, Kashchei, Alestrazsengradd, Cricket Fans, Stocomia, Rhaddin, Pope Ave Maria, Landlocked Overlords, Tikoona, Neue Coloniz, Nanaki4evr, Grindal House, Afrolasia, GreyHam, Artha Mirano, Minoriteeburg, New Old Town, Tetrazar, Nergs, The Tree Spirits, Independent Military, Paxus Rome, Transcorporate, Camerith, Bats outta Mordor, Urbana States, Xarvinia-Wurttemburg, Lendenburg, Westmar)Even after removing the overlap delegates, that should hopefully be enough to take it past the mark. Active delegates who support repeals ought to be inclined to approve yours. May save you the trouble of having to go through the whole list.

Resubmitted yesterday.

Approval Link (http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_proposal1/match=tankers)

Any TGing assistance would be very much appreciated. I've TG'd every delegate voting on the current repeal at vote.