NationStates Jolt Archive

Category: Social Welfare

Topic: Lessening the ramifications and consequences of Marijuana Smoke

Text: To make possessing one ounce or less of Marijuana a ticketable offense which will cut down on the overcrowding of our Jail System

Amendments...???

Anyone care to endorse this Resolution???

1. There is no Social Welfare category.
2. If you mean Social Justice, that's not the right category.
3. This must be submitted under the Recreational Drug Use category.
4. But you can't anyway, since this contradicts a previously passed resolution (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12131355&postcount=192).

Sorry.

I like the currant drug resolutions. They give countries the right to deal with drugs however they want, except sell drugs illegaly to other countries.

To complete the statement started by Yellow Sea Islands, there is already UN legislation regarding marijuana use within member nations. What is offered here manages to contradict and duplicate the UNDA at the same time.

Hello there!

As a newly founded member of the United Nations, The Federation of Brodoria would like to extend a hand to those of you that would like to see the abolishment of the violent illegal drug trade that has established themselves across the the globe, and join the Brodorian Peninsula Free Cannibis Trade Movement today!

Enquire with the Federation of Brodoria

It would never work buddy...... To bad your to damn ignorant to know the difference between drugs and Pot....

It would never work buddy...... To bad your to damn ignorant to know the difference between drugs and Pot....

The difference between drugs and pot? What exactly, is the...

*sighs*

you know what? Nevermind. I already know the answers to the questions I was going to ask and the responses to the statements I was gonna make. Roll yourself another one and feel the biochemical effects take place.

Kivisto you are simply ignorant...

If you want to have a debate try to be mature unless your a little boy and can not have an adult conversation.

Try proving a point before opening your mouth, a little advise from someone who is probably older and richer than you... hence smarter as well.... lol

It would never work buddy...... To bad your to damn ignorant to know the difference between drugs and Pot....

Kivisto you are simply ignorant...

If you want to have a debate try to be mature unless your a little boy and can not have an adult conversation.

Try proving a point before opening your mouth, a little advise from someone who is probably older and richer than you... hence smarter as well.... lol

I wouldn't flame, if I were you.

Well then, if you care to demonstrate these superior skills of yours, begin by losing the hypocrisy. Namecalling and slander fall somewhat short of mature. Tossing insults at people you do not even know will gain you no respect or stature within these halls at all.

Moving on. If you truly wish to demonstrate some form of intellectual superiority, put the financial and chronological penis away. Nobody cares how old or rich you are.

And finally, the best thing you could do to show us all some form of intellect would be to clarify exactly what the difference between drugs and pot is. Do not use opinion. Do not use your ideologies or beliefs. Use definitions, scientific preferably.

Had you been paying attention and were anywhere near as intelligent as you just claimed to be, you would have noticed that I already included a statement in rebuttal to your assertion that there is a difference twixt the two substances.

Drug
drug addiction and drug abuse, chronic or habitual use of any chemical substance to alter states of body or mind for other than medically warranted purposes. Traditional definitions of addiction, with their criteria of physical dependence and withdrawal (and often an underlying tenor of depravity and sin) have been modified with increased understanding; with the introduction of new drugs, such as cocaine, that are psychologically or neuropsychologically addicting; and with the realization that its stereotypical application to opiate-drug users was invalid because many of them remain occasional users with no physical dependence. Addiction is more often now defined by the continuing, compulsive nature of the drug use despite physical and/or psychological harm to the user and society and includes both licit and illicit drugs, and the term "substance abuse" is now frequently used because of the broad range of substances (including alcohol and inhalants) that can fit the addictive profile. Psychological dependence is the subjective feeling that the user needs the drug to maintain a feeling of well-being; physical dependence is characterized by tolerance (the need for increasingly larger doses in order to achieve the initial effect) and withdrawal symptoms when the user is abstinent.

Definitions of drug abuse and addiction are subjective and infused with the political and moral values of the society or culture. For example, the stimulant caffeine in coffee and tea is a drug used by millions of people, but because of its relatively mild stimulatory effects and because caffeine does not generally trigger antisocial behavior in users, the drinking of coffee and tea, despite the fact that caffeine is physically addictive, is not generally considered drug abuse. Even narcotics addiction is seen only as drug abuse in certain social contexts. In India opium has been used for centuries without becoming unduly corrosive to the social fabric.


Anyone who is quick to dismiss pot has no clue about this topic and should probably shut their mouths.... I love the people who keep coping and pasting what others have said in prior posting, its funny...

So you copy and paste from an encyclopedia or dictionary.

That doesn't show us anything.

Furthermore, it's a good idea to read the rules.

Kivisto

Your the type that hides behind a computer and makes up for your short comings in life. I know this because I am a counselor in real life and work with individuals over the internet (because of self disclosure issues) who sound exactly like you.

trust me I am not on here to make friends with you, I am on here to open the eyes to some young ignorant people who feel their words are gods words...

Although I am for this website because it increase confidence in stating how one feels which helps many different types of issues, in other words it is very therapeutic for for individuals to speak their minds....

Kind of like your response to what I thought about you... lol, funny enough you defensively reacted in an organized clever way which again amuses me....

Ironically you feel real good about yourself by your remarks making your life on the internet that much better than your real life giving you the confidence to one
day say that to someone face.


Believe it or not, but I am doing my IRP for my M.Ed program in for school, so thank you for your imput...lol

I have a lot more to copy and paste to prove..... thats called research little boy, just to let you know... Once you get into the big boy classes in school you'll do some research too... lol.... And yeah research could be you Individual Research Project as well (IRP)..... good bye I am done thank you for imput for candid responses on issues that you do not even know what I researching about... lol ..

Million dollar question, what do you think my IRP is about????? lol

Maybe worth a lock?

Let's try this again...

Here's some basic defnitions to peruse:

A drug, usually smoked but can be eaten, that is made from the leaves of the cannabis plant. The main psychoactive ingredient is THC.

also called weed, pot, reefer, grass, dope, ganja, mary jane, and hash -- is the drug most often used in this country. It is a mix of dried, shredded flowers and leaves of the hemp plant (Cannabis sativa). Most users roll loose marijuana into a cigarette (called a "joint"). The drug can also be smoked in a water pipe, called a "bong" Some users mix marijuana into food or use it to brew a tea.

A drug is any substance that can be used to modify a chemical process or processes in the body, for example to treat an illness, relieve a symptom, enhance a performance or ability, or to alter states of mind. The word "drug" is etymologically derived from the Dutch/Low German word "droog", which means "dry", since in the past, most drugs were dried plant parts.

Any chemical -- alcohol, therapeutic agent, industrial compound, or illicit drug -- with important effects on the central nervous system.

To piece this together, a drug is something, anything really, which modifies some process within the body. Marijuana (aka-pot) has a psychoactive effect, which means that it has some significant neurological effect on the user. A significant effect of this sort would be a modification on a process within the body. This would make pot a drug.

There are other drugs, it is true, but marijuana is most definitely a drug.

it has to do with voting ages, drinking ages, driving ages, ages of reasoning and the ability to follow through

Maybe worth a lock?

Or a mod report.

it has to do with voting ages, drinking ages, driving ages, ages of reasoning and the ability to follow through

No, it doesn't. You claimed there was a difference between drugs and pot. Pot is a drug. Period.

Yes good stuff there, but drugs ultimately are a addictive substance... Pot is not an addictive substance, that argument alone wins... Sorry man, but this has debate in professional seminars where are a lot of smart people including myself..... thank you for continuing to debate.


O ya, fine report me... I will lose what? lol

Kivisto I was saying, I am currently researching another issue that I am observing without mentioning... sorry that i have to be so vague its part of the research method

Yes good stuff there, but drugs ultimately are a addictive substance... Pot is not an addictive substance, that argument alone wins... Sorry man, but this has debate in professional seminars where are a lot of smart people including myself..... thank you for continuing to debate.


O ya, fine report me... I will lose what? lol

Pot is, in all sense of the word, addictive.

Yes good stuff there, but drugs ultimately are a addictive substance... Pot is not an addictive substance, that argument alone wins... Sorry man, but this has debate in professional seminars where are a lot of smart people including myself..... thank you for continuing to debate.

Debate it all you wish with whoever you wish. Using basic definitions of drug and marijuana, it is classified as a drug. Scientifically speaking, it is a drug. No amount of saying it isn't so will change that. Feel free to look up the definitions yourself.

The World Pot Trade Business

A resolution to ban, legalize, or encourage recreational drugs.


Category: Recreational Drug Use


Decision: Legalize


Proposed by: Rich Pot Heads

Description: It is already legal in the Great Powerhouse economy of the United States of Rich Pot Heads to smoke as much as you want as long as citizens purchase from local licensed stores and not from the black market which is almost depleted and non-existent. (hence no more drug dealers, any living drug dealers that sell any other harmful illegal drugs will be caught and killed by lethal ejection of an overdose of drugs of our choosing.)

We the people of The United Stats of Rich Pot Heads are against any type of drugs that transforms people into horrible addicted criminals, such as, steroids (Berry Bonds would be stoned {meaning hard rocks) to death in my country), cocaine, herein, meth, any type of abuse of prescription pain medication, mushrooms, acid, LSD, Special K, and anything else that creates a monster, oh yeah that includes cigarettes which are illegal.

We the world must join together to promote and make legal the use and sales of Pot to increase the global economy, to increase the united peace among others, and to increase the ever-growing happiness among people who sought after the freedom of doing whatever they want without hurting others around them.

We must realize that Pot is not the enemy, ignorance is, ignorance is the enemy, and ignorance will never set us free.

Honestly, you do not see Pot Heads kill other people, or commit any other crimes. Given the chance to be free will not slow the productivity of work in our nations. That is only a stereotype that many are ignorant to like how all geeks and nerds are losers. Obviously that is not true, considering most of the nations on NS are probably young nerds who are cool to me. My girlfriend is a hot geek who smokes time to time, and I obviously am not a geek or a nerd who enjoys smoking all the time... I work hard and play harder, I am rich and will enjoy whatever makes me happy. Why keep that all to myself, while others can be the same...

Vote yes to legalize and to promote the use and sales of marijuana or forever be ignorant on the great possibilities to increase the flow of money into the economies of the world and the happiness of non-criminals. Happiness increases motivation, hence a increase in production.

Approvals: 1 (Aakron)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 100 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Sun Aug 12 2007

Illegal: Branding, Contradicts the UNDA (UN Drug Act), probably a few other violations as well.

I need to go so soon, but I will debate this a little further with you if you wish.

I can not believe you two think that pot is addictive... I mean damn, have even tried it before.. Statements like that will classify you as a black and white type of person... Hate to tell you both but the real of life is not black and white.... fugitively speaking there are a lot of gray areas.

who is this Barry bonds in NS???

(meaning your resolution's going to get deleted...no real world references allowed)

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Illegal: Branding, Contradicts the UNDA (UN Drug Act), probably a few other violations as well.





hey post me that url where you found that link btw...

I need to go so soon, but I will debate this a little further with you if you wish.

I can not believe you two think that pot is addictive... I mean damn, have even tried it before.. Statements like that will classify you as a black and white type of person... Hate to you both but the real of life is not black and white.... fugitively speaking there are a lo of gray areas.

I never claimed that pot was addictive. Psychologically, one can become dependant upon it, but there is no true addiction. I simply stated the fact that marijuana is defined and classified as a drug, even though it isn't addictive. That would be one of those gray areas of which you were speaking.

who is this Barry bonds in NS???

(meaning your resolution's going to get deleted...no real world references allowed)

I forgot there are other people in the world besides USA citizens....lol Barry bonds is a baseball player (you know baseball, the american dream), who is a steriod case... Im personally against him... whatever thats not the current issue, try to keep up

I never claimed that pot was addictive. Psychologically, one can become dependant upon it, but there is no true addiction. I simply stated the fact that marijuana is defined and classified as a drug, even though it isn't addictive. That would be one of those gray areas of which you were speaking.

very good now that is a debate..... you most not be too young. Well, this has been fun i guess, but no one has guessed what my topic for my IRP is about................... PM if get it if you want

Although I disagree and knowing people who just smoke pot including myself who are not dependent on it by any means are functional and successful members of society....


By the way this is a fact pot got it's stereotype of an addicting substance because people who are born with the addictive personality gene start of smoking pot but eventually tend to stick with harder substances because the nature of their personality. whether it be alcohol, coffee, cocaine or etc

I forgot there are other people in the world besides USA citizens....lol Barry bonds is a baseball player (you know baseball, the american dream), who is a steriod case... Im personally against him... whatever thats not the current issue, try to keep up

Rules for UN Proposal (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=420465)

Real World Violations

George Bush, Hammas, France, The Michigan Compiled Laws (Annotated), and Smith & Wesson do not exist in the NationStates world. Don't bring them up in Proposals. This includes references to real world documents, movies, and books. This is really easy to grasp and is a "bright line" violation. A Proposal that is wonderfully written, but mentions "the Great Wall of China" will be deleted.

ergo, Barry Bonds does not exist....So, it is a current issue because you mentioned it in your resolution, please try to keep up.

and to spare you some time, in the same thread,
Branding

Limited branding is allowed. "Limited" means that you may list one co-author by nation name only. Example:

"Co-authored by The Most Glorious Hack"

Further branding will result in the Proposal being deleted. Don't list everyone who posted in the thread for your draft, don't list yourself, don't list your Minister Of Making Proposals, and don't post the 'pre-title' of the co-author (ie: "The Republic Of..."). This includes creating nations that have the same name as your region or group and using them to promote your region or group.

Your name's listed, branding (as Kivisto told you already)

the punishment for possession of any illegal substance should be life in prision

Maybe worth a lock?

Or a mod report.

Can't we just toss the representative in a rancor pit?

I forgot there are other people in the world besides USA citizens....lol Barry bonds is a baseball player (you know baseball, the american dream), who is a steriod case... Im personally against him... whatever thats not the current issue, try to keep up

Oh, so he's like that Lamar Banner (http://mikehawk.files.wordpress.com/2006/03/Untitled-2.jpg) guy I heard about on Holonet News (http://z6.invisionfree.com/Halls_of_Paradise/index.php?showtopic=127)? Okay.

Ailyn Vel (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/images/Ailyn.jpg)
New Vandalian Ambassador to the UN

This should be an issue left up to each individual nation state not the UN.

Can't we just toss the representative in a rancor pit?

Ailyn Vel (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/images/Ailyn.jpg)
New Vandalian Ambassador to the UN

There's a chance he might find the button for the large door. Ask your father about it, he knows.

~Dr. Jules Hodz

It would never work buddy...... To bad your to damn ignorant to know the difference between drugs and Pot....

Kivisto you are simply ignorant...

If you want to have a debate try to be mature unless your a little boy and can not have an adult conversation.

Try proving a point before opening your mouth, a little advise from someone who is probably older and richer than you... hence smarter as well.... lol

A Drug is something that you take to alter the state of your mind and body. Marijuana/Pot/Mary Jane/Whatever you want to call it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marijuana) does change your body physically and mentally. And if you were truly someone who was in the medical field, you would understand that.

There's a chance he might find the button for the large door. Ask your father about it, he knows.

~Dr. Jules Hodz

Not all rancor pits are the same, Hodz. You're referring to the one on Tatooine, of course. Not all those who keep rancors are stupid slugs like Jabba, though, you know.

PM if get it if you want

Speak like Yoda do you.

Ailyn Vel (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/images/Ailyn.jpg)
New Vandalian Ambassador to the UN

To Sols Fall:

In some states in this world of ours, there may well be laws against the possession or supply of alcohol, coffee, tobacco... or corn flakes for all i know! Are you really suggesting that people found in possession of those substances should be thrown in prison for the rest of their lives?

To All:

It should remain entirely at the discretion of each member state of the UN as to what substances are or are not illegal, and The Republic of Ganzland is confident that all but the most insane of societies would have a sliding scale of offences and punishments ranging from the possession of a small amount (for personal use) of a relatively less harmful substance such as alcohol or cannabis up to the supply of vast quantities of a very dangerous drug such as heroin or meth-amphetamine.

Our humble nation has decided that de-criminalisation of all drugs is the way to decrease the amount of harm they can inflict upon society. We hope other nations follow suit, but do not seek a UN resolution to achieve this end.

Ganzland also rejects all false distinctions between some substances such as cocaine or ecstasy being considered drugs, whereas others such as coffee or aspirin are not. There is clearly a scale of psycho-active affect, addictiveness and potential social damage. It is the proper remit of each nation to decide where the line is drawn: what drugs will be deemed illegal, which can only be obtained in a licensed pharmacist's, which will have age restrictions on their supply and which will be openly available.

Ganzland sincerely hopes this contribution helps this debate to move forward in a more measured and seemly manner.

Ganzland Ambassador to the UN.

By the way this is a fact pot got it's stereotype of an addicting substance because people who are born with the addictive personality gene start of smoking pot but eventually tend to stick with harder substances because the nature of their personality. whether it be alcohol, coffee, cocaine or etc

May we venture to suggest that pot got its stereotype from the behavior of representatives such as the esteemed one from Rich Pot Heads here, who from his speech before this assembly appears to be someone who, well, has smoked too much pot?

May we venture to suggest that pot got its stereotype from the behavior of representatives such as the esteemed one from Rich Pot Heads here, who from his speech before this assembly appears to be someone who, well, has smoked too much pot?

I'd suggest his behavior is more likely due to being dropped on his head as a small child. We Altanari legalized recreational drugs long ago, and can still speak a lot more coherently and rationally then said rich pot head.

Incidentally, as we always do when one of these legalization efforts comes up, we oppose this one too. Let individual nations decide how they want to handle the issue of drug use. Despite having smoked a fair bit before coming here today, I think I can still safely say that neither I, nor the government I represent, could care less what, say, Somewherewedon'tcareaboutstan does in regards to drug laws.

- Ikir Askanabath, UCMA Deputy Ambassador

Would it be considered flaming if we called the Pot Headian representative unutterably witless dolt and a feculent, slow-witted, doped up pithecanthropoid?

Yes?

Okay then, how about if I just call him an annoying git and have done with it?

(you know baseball, the american dream)

OOC: Calling baseball the american dream is pretty stereotypical. (Forgive me If I misspell I can't find the spellcheck.)

This should be an issue left up to each individual nation state not the UN.

To All:

It should remain entirely at the discretion of each member state of the UN as to what substances are or are not illegalAnd as long as the UN Drug Act is in effect it will be.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

I know this because I am a counselor in real life and work with individuals over the internet (because of self disclosure issues) who sound exactly like you.

Believe it or not, but I am doing my IRP for my M.Ed program in for school, so thank you for your imput...lolOOC: And I'm a self-made multi-millionaire with 3 college degrees and a 11 inch penis. My point is simple, anyone can claim to be anything online, it doesn't mean others will believe it.

OOC: Calling baseball the american dream is pretty stereotypical. (Forgive me If I misspell I can't find the spellcheck.)It's also incorrect, baseball is America's national pastime not the American dream.

Wow. Let's knock of the flaming, folks.

As for the drug-or-not debate, it's irrelevent. As far as the game is concerned, marijuana is a drug, ergo, the UN Drug Act covers it, ergo you can't legalize marijuana without repealing the UN Drug Act.

Any further debate about marijuana's status as a drug in the real world belongs in General.

Pfft. Enough with the reasonable 'let each nation decide' stances. It's obvious this Assembly would be of far better temperment if it was well-oiled, sufficiently herbed and half-baked.

Besides, my nation's economy could use the bump from the increased exports.

Leetha Talone
Wondering what happened to the bong, but still UN Ambassador

OOC: And I'm a self-made multi-millionaire with 3 college degrees and a 11 inch penis. My point is simple, anyone can claim to be anything online, it doesn't mean others will believe it.OOC: Best two out of three? ;)

trust me I am not on here to make friends with you, I am on here to open the eyes to some young ignorant people who feel their words are gods words...

Gentlemen, and I use the term lightly, if you desire to fight we have some nukes to sale for a good price that will make your battles end in better taste than this table talk. As for god and his mention here, our Great Book in verse 35 of chapter 6 says, "He who has foot in mouth can not hear own wisdom, and he who has head in arse is no better off."

Now can we get back to the issue or you Gentlemen take this outside... and finish it there in an honorable way.. as we sale guns, swords, axes, any small weapon on might need.....


Hunga Manyball,
Cavirrian Minister of Defense,
CEO, Stronger Longer Rods for Warriors, LTD


In some states in this world of ours, there may well be laws against the possession or supply of alcohol, coffee, tobacco... or corn flakes for all i know! Are you really suggesting that people found in possession of those substances should be thrown in prison for the rest of their lives?

I do not believe that the NSUN has yet to take the right of it's member states to make such laws and then to not carry out punishment for breaking those laws. Thus you need to check the laws in member nations or any nation you may travel to... or leave the corn flakes home... or you could be visiting that nation for a very long time only staying in a prison not four or five star hotel...

Lockia Upallem,
Chief Minister Cavirrian Justice,
CEO Hemp Ropes for the Neck