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Argument: APPLAUDING the UN resolution 19;

NOTECING that there are evident gaps about religions that limitate the human liberty;

BELIEVING that this resolution can be improved to avoid the expansion of these religions;

I ASK the resolution 19 to be declared repealed to improve it.

the original resolution is:

Description: Whereas,
Freedom of Religion does not exist
in all countries in the world.
Whereas,
Too many wars are started and fought
because of religious differences.
Whereas,
There is a need for more religious
tolerance on Earth.

Therefore be it resolved that the United
Nations support and promote a greater understanding
of all religions and promote more tolerance of
differences of religion.
Be it further resolved that the United Nations oppose
all wars fought in the name of God and religion.


sorry for any error but i'm not very good at english :)

OOC: I appreciate you're not a native english speaker, and thank you for making the effort of writing a short proposal! Could you tell us some more about the reasons you want Religious Tolerance repealed? Your English does need fixing, but I'd like to be sure what your arguments are before I suggest anything.

I think he is talking about how some religions limit the freedoms set out by other UN resolutions. If so it might have some promise

Yeah, looks like a standard remove-the-old-crap-to-write-something-better deal. The point he seems to focus on is like Kampfers said: some religions' tenets violate existing UN law.

Not a terrible angle to work, but it'll need to be expanded a little before it's good to go. So... yeah... spit-n-polish.

Well, I don't know if this would be a house of cards violation (probably, i don't post here much), but you could quote the Universal Bill of Rights.

Article 1 -- All human beings have the right to choose worship any faith, and to change their religious beliefs at any time without punishment on the part of the state.

That would really make the whole Freedom of Religion Resolution unneccessary, although I doubt people would go for it unless it had more stuff to it.

Perhaps just point out there are existing resolutions in place which accomplish the same things, rather than getting into specifics.

Well, I don't know if this would be a house of cards violation (probably, i don't post here much), but you could quote the Universal Bill of Rights.



That would really make the whole Freedom of Religion Resolution unneccessary, although I doubt people would go for it unless it had more stuff to it.

i don't want to ban the Religion Freedom...simple the actual resolution encourages all the religions,even the religion who limitate or negate Political and Civil Rights...so if i want to adopt the actual resolution,what i must do if a tollerant religion who encourages to break a UN resolution ask my endorsement??? if i follow the actual Resolution i must endorse this religion but the other resolution say i can't endorse this religion...

so the resolution 19 is incomplete and need to be repealed, so we can improve it...


at last,sorry for the many errors but i'm not english...

So something like this?

The UN,

Applauding the goals of UN resolution 19: Religious Tolerance and the standards it set forth;

Recognizing that other more thorough resolutions guarantee the same freedoms;

Wishing to reduce the redundancy of this body;

Hereby repeals UN resolution 19: Religious Tolerance.

As I see it, article 1 of the Universal Bill of Rights (UNR26, if I am not mistaken) and UNR19 do not address the same issues: While UNR26:1 states that people can chose their own religion and that no prosecution of religions is allowed take place, UNR19 encourages nations to promote understanding and tolerance of religions. While related these do not overlap directly. However, there is a house-of-cards-problem. If UNR26 was to be repealed, which is theoretically possible, certain religions could be banned. This situation would not be compatible with UNR19.

EDIT: 100th post :D

no Kamperfs...(but if you have right i accept this for cause #2)

i say...if a religion break a UN emendament about Civil or Political Rights,but tollerate other religions, follow this resuution i must endorse it...a bit wrong no???

so the resolution #19 need to be rewrited (and the old resolution must be repealed)



sorry for any error...i repeat i'm not english...sorry

i say...if a religion break a UN emendament about Civil or Political Rights,but tollerate other religions, follow this resuution i must endorse it...a bit wrong no???
I don't think that's quite correct. "Religious Tolerance" says that we promote understanding of all religions, and tolerance of religious differences. It doesn't say that we have to permit religions to break the law.

Religious tolerance is silly. The only real gods are the Invisible Pink Unicorn and the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I thought everyone knew that?

I don't think that's quite correct. "Religious Tolerance" says that we promote understanding of all religions, and tolerance of religious differences. It doesn't say that we have to permit religions to break the law.

hem...what i say???

if i ban or limitate a religion who break a UN resolution but respect other religions, I WILL BREAK THIS UN RESOLUTION....so there is an error somewhere and i think the error is here...

so this resolution needs to be improved because contrast with other resolution...now you understand???

if i ban or limitate a religion who break a UN resolution but respect other religions, I WILL BREAK THIS UN RESOLUTION
No you won't.

"Religious Tolerance" has two clauses that do anything:

Therefore be it resolved that the United Nations support and promote a greater understanding of all religions and promote more tolerance of differences of religion.

Be it further resolved that the United Nations oppose all wars fought in the name of God and religion.
Neither of these forbid you from banning or limiting a religion at all. It's a very mild resolution.

but if i ban or limitate a religion,this mean i not endorse a religion...and if a religion doesn't decare war at ohter religions but tollerate them but limitate Human &/or Politican freedoms...what i must do???

the problem is this: the resolution doesn't tell anything about this religions...so this resolution si incomplete and needs to be repealed

it is a good thing it is repealed because I don't think you can FORCE people to being tolerant, you can only punish them when being intolerant.
I also think it is hard or impossible to tolerate the intolerant.

I believe we shouldn't even make a Religious Tolerance proposition because we don't need it.
We need laws that punish people for discriminating others, and we need laws that punish people for using hate speech.

If you're going to make Religious Tolerance anyway, you can also make Political Tolerance and Idea Tolerance and plenty more...

It's just ridiculous.

but if i ban or limitate a religion,this mean i not endorse a religion...and if a religion doesn't decare war at ohter religions but tollerate them but limitate Human &/or Politican freedoms...what i must do???
Nothing in the resolution says you have to endorse any religion, whether they are nice or not. It encourages you to be understanding and tolerant, but you don't have to endorse any individual religion.

the problem is this: the resolution doesn't tell anything about this religions...so this resolution si incomplete and needs to be repealed
Rewriting the resolution so it was clearer about religious organisations breaking national or international laws would be good, but honestly, the resolution is so very weak that it doesn't make any real difference.

If you have ideas for a new resolution, though, I'd probably support you!

If you're going to make Religious Tolerance anyway, you can also make Political Tolerance and Idea Tolerance and plenty more...
Psst... don't read the list of past resolutions, it'll only raise your blood pressure.

all wars fought in the name of God and religion....

for anyone who approve the past resolution...in my country (RL and NS country) "all wars fought in the name of God and religion...." isn't the same as "who break a UN Resolution"...the NSUN Resoution is not only on the wars...is on environment,education and creativity,political economical and civil rights...broke one of this resolution doesn't ever mean "declare a war in the name of God and Religion" so there is an error and the resolution and it must be repealed to be corrected...

The UN,

Applauding the goals of UN resolution 19: Religious Tolerance and the standards it set forth;

Recognizing that other more thorough resolutions guarantee the same freedoms;

Wishing to reduce the redundancy of this body;

Hereby repeals UN resolution 19: Religious Tolerance.

The Protectorate of Planting sees the repeal of said resolution necessary and another enacted in its place for the protection of the safety of others. We normally would not encourage infringing on another's beliefs or right to exercise those beliefs, but as it has been made evident to us there are some in other nations who hold beliefs that could cause much pain and suffering to many of us. We see this as a needed step toward the creation of a document that affords safety and yet gives people as much right as possible to practice their beliefs provided those beliefs do not adversely effect others.