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The UN delegate of Siesdaros wishes to speak to the general public about the world's coal industries. We ask that coal mining be illegal for at least 2 years so we can help stop global warming and let the enviroment improve. Please endorse the nation of siesdaros if you wish for this to become into a proposal.

To the Honourable Delegate from Siesdaros:

The Queendom of Kitsunestan highly disagrees with your stand point on this situation. Banning the mining and use of coal for any length of time will kill the world's economy. Without coal, many miners would be out of a job, the leading form of electrical production would put parts of the world into darkness, steel production would grind to a halt, etc. etc.

It is the opinion of the Queendom of Kitsunestan that the world's climate is a fragile thing, but it is not worth the sacrifice of the world's economy to save it.

Sincerely,

Thomas Banks
Royal Embassador to the King
Queendom of Kitsunestan

OCC: only UN ambassadors in your region can endorse you.

While Gobbannium's proud industry of coal-mining is largely a thing of the past due to diminishing seams and economic viability, one thing we did learn was that a degree of caution helps no end. Banning mining for any period isn't the answer, but nor is letting it rip away with no thought to environmental consequences.

The Representative Argues: Yes but other types of power such as nuclear power are clean and efficient, and if you are scared of nuclear power then you must take it to consideration Jolt Generation Power and Solar Power. Even wind power to a extent. There are several alternatives to coal power. Especially oil power and natural gas. Those do not harm the environment as much as coal power.

"While, say, the Commonwealth doesn't really need coal, developing, low-tech nations will require its use. We cannot outright ban it. It would be detrimental to such nations. The alternatives you mentioned require sufficient sophistication to produce and run, which they might not have."

The Represenative Argues: I agree with that. I shall change my proposal to the fact that any nation that has the resources to create other types of energy MUST use the alternatives.

All proposals have to apply to all nations, not just a few, so that might not work either.

In the interests of being constructive, maybe a different idea would be try something like NERA (http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_past_resolutions/start=153), only for alternative energies.

-- George Madison
UN Ambassador

The Represenative Argues: This is my proposal, and i will not change it from now: When this is accepted we will educate smaller and weaker nations about using Nuclear crystals(Commonly known as uranium) and Natural gases as a source of energy. Also we will manually construct Jolt Energy power plants on any of our neighboring nations if they accept.

The representative can argue all he likes, but at the end of the day, your "proposal," if it can even be called that, is illegal, since, as Madison pointed out, it doesn't apply to all nations.

Ailyn Vel (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/images/Ailyn.jpg)
New Vandalian Ambassador to the UN

Well just remember that not every nation is on the same tech level so if they're still riding horses or worshipping the sun, whats going to happen to them when they ge told to start building nuclear reactors...

The Blue Eyed Man
UN Ambassador
The United States of Cookesland

The Representative Argues: Yes but other types of power such as nuclear power are clean and efficient, and if you are scared of nuclear power then you must take it to consideration Jolt Generation Power and Solar Power. Even wind power to a extent. There are several alternatives to coal power. Especially oil power and natural gas. Those do not harm the environment as much as coal power.

To the Honourable Delegate from Siesadaros:

With all due respect, the Queendom of Kitsunestan requests that Siesdaros does further research on the matter, as his/her comments are entirely incorrect and slanderous to the coal industry. Coal power is not "unclean" as you suggest. Due to massive breakthroughs in the industry, filters introduced into the "smoke stacks" of such power plants have reduced waste by up to 90%. your claim that "[Oil and Natural Gas] do not harm the environment as much as coal power" is entirely incorrect. Oil power actually polutes MORE than Coal power, if used in the best of cases. Oil power is also far more dangerous than coal power. The only true statement there is that Natural Gas is clean, which it is.

Your arguments are entirely incorrect, I'm afraid.

Now, as you have changed your stance to forcing nations to use other forms of energy, I have to say this: why should a nation stop its use of the most cost efficient form of electricity simply because a slanderous nation believes that it is ruining the environment?

The Kingdom of Kitsunestan and its territories will not endorse any proposal that forces a nation to do something as drastic as this.

Sincerely,

Sir Thomas Banks
Royal Embassador to the King
Queendom of Kitsunestan

OOC: This isn't my actualy intelligence obviously i'm randomly generating it for the representative.



The Representive Ends His Statement, saying a different representative will re-open it 1 week from now(a day in real time)

Honorable Delagate from Siesdaros,

I urge you to reconsider your stance. Too many nations, our own included, rely upon Coal mining to power our nation. While we are researching alternative methods, and applying them where appropriate. You should see our wind turbine farms in the Northern Wastelands of New Avarin. However, these alternative methods do not fuel enough energy to meet our needs.

As such, I cannot support such a resolution. However, I would consider a Resolution for developing alternative methods of energy, and implementing them throughout member nations to alleviate the polutions inherent by using coal-based methods of energy.

Respectfully,

His Highness
Marek Renthier-Hart, Prince Royal of New Avarin. General Consul & Ambassador at Large to the World.

The honorable delegate from the United Nations Colonial Administration Authority of Bautizar would like to echo the previously-expressed sentiments of my colleague from the Kingdom of Kitsenestan: my government will not endorse a resolution that in any way, shape or form will create massive economic disruption with catastrophic consequences in any member U.N. nation.

The UNCAA would however be amenable to a resolution that encourages - but does not mandate - further research into the development of alternative fuel sources. My government believes that continued research into this field is necessary for the maintenance of stable economies worldwide in the foreseeable future, but recognizes the reality of technological progression worldwide not being the same from country to country. Therefore, the UNCAA believes that more technologically-advanced nations should take the lead on research into this field in the foreseeable future, and that a resolution encouraging this would not be harmful.

Sir Reginald Spears
Hon. Representative to the United Nations of the Planet Earth
United Nations Colonial Authority Administration of Bautizar

Well just remember that not every nation is on the same tech level so if they're still riding horses or worshipping the sun, whats going to happen to them when they ge told to start building nuclear reactors...

The Blue Eyed Man
UN Ambassador
The United States of Cookesland

They'll look at us like we've grown horns.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

The republic of Goaul disagrees with the idea of shutting down the entire coal industries of the world.

In stead of that we think that there should be some "carrots" given to countries in stead of telling them what to do.

With "carrots" I mean there should be some reliefs given. These kind of reliefs could be for example better credit and longer payback time from the Bank Of the World if country produces less than 10 % of its energy with coal. And even better credit an even longer payback time if country produces less than 5 % of its energy by coal.

There also should be thinking of how to retrain the workers in some coal mines when those mines will be shut down.

With time there would be more suggestions on how to reward if country does something this and this way.

This is just a result of quick thinking. Any comments?

As far as I know, there is no "Bank of the World." The proposal that would've created one didn't pass.

Ailyn Vel (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/images/Ailyn.jpg)
New Vandalian Ambassador to the UN

As coal is one of Altanar's major indigenous sources of power generation, we would be opposed to such a measure. We would instead recommend finding ways to encourage coal-using states to mitigate the environmental effects as much as possible. Simply telling nations that use coal, "sit in the dark and like it", though well-intentioned, is not going to be acceptable to them.

- Jinella Agaranth, Ambassador

The Deligate from Shazbotdom stood up.

"From my understanding, the use of Coal has become more and more clean, although it has not yet reached the point to where it will not damage the environment it has come a long way."

He clears his throat.

"Nuclear reactors though cause a bigger threat to the environment. Nuclear waste is the main cause of most problems with the environment today. Also, Nuclear Reactors, depending on the type, can cause a lot more major problems than just the waste, Breeder Reactors can melt down and cause explosions equal to, if not greater than, the largest nuclear weapons used by the larger powers in the world today."

He looks back and forth.

"My suggestion though is for this issue to not be a problem that the United Nations should push itself into, but something for Indiviual Nations to debate within their Parliamentary Body or whichever governing system that they use. This is a National Soverignty issue, not a United Nations issue."

He then sits down to listen...

The minister of Sauceatia clears his throat and expresses his opinion

There is no possible way that developing nations can continue to develop if coal is out lawed. It is a major part of Sauceatia's technological development. For those of us countries that cannot afford nuclear energy our economies and technological development would be stunted.

The minister proceeds to scratch his nose

Alternate Energy sources are however a very noble goal. If you are so set to reduce carbon dioxide omissions, perhaps you should mandate the UN countries to develop alternate energy. With some foreign aid I'm sure countries like the one I represent could build alternative energy producing industries...

The minister politely coughs

...but only with economic aid.

The observer from Axis Nova covers his mouth at the ambassador from Shazbotdom's statement, laughing, then stands.

"We wish to point out that the esteemed representative from Shazbotdom is rather seriously mistaken-- coal power puts far more pollution and radiation into the atmosphere than any nuclear power plant. Far more deaths, directly or indirectly, have resulted from coal power than any form of nuclear power. Nuclear power is safe and clean, and the waste no more dangerous than any other industrial waste one would not wish to touch with his or her bare hands."

"Furthermore, the statment that a nuclear reactor can explode like an atomic bomb is laughable at best. The laws of physics simply forbid such a thing."

The republic of Goaul disagrees with the idea of shutting down the entire coal industries of the world.

In stead of that we think that there should be some "carrots" given to countries in stead of telling them what to do.

With "carrots" I mean there should be some reliefs given. These kind of reliefs could be for example better credit and longer payback time from the Bank Of the World if country produces less than 10 % of its energy with coal. And even better credit an even longer payback time if country produces less than 5 % of its energy by coal.

There also should be thinking of how to retrain the workers in some coal mines when those mines will be shut down.

With time there would be more suggestions on how to reward if country does something this and this way.

This is just a result of quick thinking. Any comments?
Quick what?


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