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The U.N. hereby mandates that all member nations over the next ten years lower their carbon dioxide emissions to fifty percent of their nation's current emissions.

Dear Delegate of Karkaria,

The Dominion of Dagnus Reardinius reportedly released a collective fart today at 3PM in the general direction of your nation and those who created this "bill." Half the nation fainted from the methane, but we believe it was worth it.

The Dominion

More steam!

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Aram Koopman
Ambassador representing the Knootian UN Office

Decreasing CO2 is a noble goal, but 50% over ten years is a ludicrous figure. Perhaps lowering the numbers would be possible, but a flat percentage is ourtright unfair. Nations such as Paradica produce far less emissions than say, Alstitua. Thus, they don't need to reduce their emissions as much. You would therefore need a comittee to determine how much various nations need to reduce emissions by, and some way of making sure the emissions are reduced, the latter of which is nearly impossible (though a "Mild" comittee that only can recommend could possibly work).

Devon Rose, Ph.D.
Expert on Environmental Issues

Isn't there a "reduce carbon emissions" Resolution already?

Isn't there a "reduce carbon emissions" Resolution already?

Yes, unfortunately: it's the 'Fossil Fuel Reduction Act', which is also badly flawed...

Can u give me a #? I wanna look up the resolution. 'Fossil fuels' doesn't sound like it's specifically limiting CO2.

by the way...
Dagnus Reardinius, 'ur stupid' is not an argument.
New Anonia, 'not enough funding' is not an argument in nationstates,
but i can agree maybe this is too much.
how about 'no increase of carbon emissions'?

Can u give me a #? I wanna look up the resolution. 'Fossil fuels' doesn't sound like it's specifically limiting CO2.

Ailyn Vel listens to the discussion as her guard escorts her to her seat. "Fossil fuels. I remember reading that one on the trip here," she mutters to herself, racking her brain for a brief moment.

Finally, she speaks up: "It's #126."

She sits and leans back in her chair, putting put her feet up on her desk. This might not be such a tough assignment after all...

ok, #126 doesn't specifically require the reduction of carbon emissions. it only asks that we use better sources of energy. im asking that we cancel out our own carbon impact. well, now im just asking that we don't increase that carbon impact.

Now demonstrate that carbon emissions are a problem in NS. And until and unless a funding proposal gets passed, funding resolutions is very much a lve issue here.

it may not be a problem in NS, but it will become a problem if not addressed early on.

ok, #126 doesn't specifically require the reduction of carbon emissions. it only asks that we use better sources of energy. im asking that we cancel out our own carbon impact. well, now im just asking that we don't increase that carbon impact.

Leaning back in her chair, her feet up on her desk, Ailyn raises her hand. When she's finally got the attention of the other members, who are mostly wondering why this strange woman has her hand in the air, she attempts a casual air in adressing the assembly: "I realize I'm new here, but it would seem to me that Article I, Section A, of #126, by reducing consumption of the fossil fuels responsible for carbon-dioxide emissions, would, by extension, reduce those emissions, too."

She quickly glances around the room. "Or am I reading too much into it?"

by the way...
Dagnus Reardinius, 'ur stupid' is not an argument.
New Anonia, 'not enough funding' is not an argument in nationstates,
but i can agree maybe this is too much.
how about 'no increase of carbon emissions'?
Excuse me?


The Dominion

my proposal (sorry it is a proposal, not a resolution, but whatever u know what i mean) isn't meant to reduce emissions in general, it's meant to reduce emissions totally. I'm saying go ahead and pollute all you want, as long as you make up for it. You can have a coal power plant, as long as you have freestanding co2 scrubbers to make up for it.

I realize I'm new here, but it would seem to me that Article I, Section A, of #126, by reducing consumption of the fossil fuels responsible for carbon-dioxide emissions, would, by extension, reduce those emissions, too.

Yes, but i'm not talking about lower emissions from sources, i'm talking about lower emissions overall. You can keep your cold war era coal power plant as long as you make up for it's co2 emissions with things like freestanding co2 scrubbers, free ionic breeze's for all citizens, planting a couple of trees, etc. You don't actually have to reduce the plants emissions in my proposal, you just have to cancel them out.

Now put all this into an actual proposal, so what you say that you're saying and what you're actually saying match up. Then we'll have something we can sensibly critique, rather than just pointing out all the implicit assumptions that you're unwisely making.

I'd suggest that you repeal the old resolution first. And then we can talk about your new proposal!

-Aram Koopman

OOC: OK, you've made me do this to try to further improve your standing. *Dons the Grammar Nazi Hat*
my proposal (sorry it is a proposal, not a resolution, but whatever u know what i mean) isn't meant to reduce emissions in general, it's meant to reduce emissions totally. I'm saying go ahead and pollute all you want, as long as you make up for it. You can have a coal power plant, as long as you have freestanding co2 scrubbers to make up for it.

Please, PLEASE, do not say "u." "You" is precisely two characters longer. If you can't be bothered to give us two extra characters here and there, don't say anything, please. Furthermore, it helps to write your responses in a word processor with grammar/spell check. And, if you use, say, MS Word, it'll automatically capitalize all those things you didn't bother to.

Now, as a minor note on semantics, of course it's a proposal. Or a proposed resolution. That doesn't really matter.

I really mean no offense, but I and most long-term users try to hold everyone to a higher standard than netspeak.

-The Author of Wolfgang, Grammar Nazi
*removes hat*

IC: "I don't foresee this as ever passing. I take that back. I don't see this as passing in the near future. The current political climate here just isn't right for it. Most people will just say, 'oh, jeez, not again," and vote no. Further, they're right, this is already covered by a horrible resolution."

First off i admitted it's a proposal, not a resolution. As for the 'u' issue, I don't devote a large portion of my life to this game. I usually check it once a day and I just respond in a matter of seconds. You've pretty much made my argument for me, "It's just two letters." I know how to write. I've written a novella. I just choose not to write properly. You complain about time, but why did you waste so much time complaining about my grammar and COMPLETELY IGNORE THE SUBJECT MATTER!?!?!


"True glory consists in doing what deserves to be written in writing what deserves to be read and in so living as to make the world happier for our living in it." - Pliny the Elder

You complain about time, but why did you waste so much time complaining about my grammar and COMPLETELY IGNORE THE SUBJECT MATTER!?!?!
Some people are anal about proper grammar.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

As for the 'u' issue, I don't devote a large portion of my life to this game. I usually check it once a day and I just respond in a matter of seconds. You've pretty much made my argument for me, "It's just two letters." I know how to write. I've written a novella. I just choose not to write properly. You complain about time, but why did you waste so much time complaining about my grammar and COMPLETELY IGNORE THE SUBJECT MATTER!?!?!

It's all about first impressions. If something is written in an illiterate fashion, whether by choice or not, it leaves a certain impression about the material.

Incidentally, while we agree that emissions reduction would be a good thing, the target set by this idea for a draft is unrealistic.

- Jinella Agaranth, Ambassador

The honorable representative of the United Nations Colonial Administration Authority of Bautizar would like to call attention to N.S.U.N.R. #72: "Reduction of Greenhouse Gases," which remains in effect at this time. Given the intense discussion which has occurred already regarding the initial proposal of the topic by my colleague from Karkaria (amongst other issues), I have been asked to inquire as to the differences envisioned between the current proposal under discussion, and the previously-passed resolution.

Sir Reginald Spears
Hon. Representative to the United Nations of the Planet Earth
United Nations Colonial Administration Authority of Bautizar

Some people are anal about proper grammar.More importantly, and something nobody ever thinks of, is that using "text speak" can make your writing all but impossible for non-native speakers to read.

More importantly, and something nobody ever thinks of, is that using "text speak" can make your writing all but impossible for non-native speakers to read.

It makes it hard enough for those of us who are native speakers.

First off i admitted it's a proposal, not a resolution.
Actually, most esteemed Ambassador of Karkaria, proposals are worded exactly as resolutions [read: properly], except resolutions are passed proposals.

I know how to write. I just choose not to write properly.
..

True glory consists in doing what deserves to be written in writing what deserves to be read *snip*
Not if it can't be read.


Respectfully,
The Dominion

This sure looks like a great way to hamstring nations that are industrializing, or nations that depend heavily on heavy industry, or nations that have no alternative to fossil fuels.

First off i admitted it's a proposal, not a resolution. As for the 'u' issue, I don't devote a large portion of my life to this game. I usually check it once a day and I just respond in a matter of seconds. You've pretty much made my argument for me, "It's just two letters." I know how to write. I've written a novella. I just choose not to write properly. You complain about time, but why did you waste so much time complaining about my grammar and COMPLETELY IGNORE THE SUBJECT MATTER!?!?!


"True glory consists in doing what deserves to be written in writing what deserves to be read and in so living as to make the world happier for our living in it." - Pliny the Elder

The Minister of Sauceatia looks over at the commotion

So, the president of Karkaria has written a novella! I'm sure half the politicians here have at least written memoirs,I honestly don't care about some novella. Was that supposed to impress me?

The minister rolls his eyes

Any way, shouldn't we be returning to the topic at hand by actually debating this CO2 emissions proposal? I for one am not for it, it is unrealistic and completely not thought out. You offer no means to achieve your goal or any research support what little you have to say. Frankly I would say we expect more out of a UN delegate.

The minister sits back down

Strangely enough, I have never, and will never, support a resolution which has the long term effects of hampering the economic and technological advancement of developing, and indeed developed, nations, to the point of reversement of such developement.

In other words, I don't think "sending humanity scurrying back into caves wearing animal skins and bashing one another over the heads with rocks" should be this institutions long term goal...

Sir Cyril MacLehose-Strangways-Jones, KCRC, LOG