NationStates Jolt Archive

Endorsments reqired to submit "no smoking in public places" proposal

02-06-2007, 11:26
I require endorsements to propose A BAN ON SMOKING IN PUBLIC PLACES now that I have joined the UN. I hope i can count on your help. Here is a copy of my argument.

Public: ‘of or concerning the people as a whole’. Banning smoking in public places isn’t just a question of taking away one group’s freedom for the benefit of another; it is something that is in the interest of ‘people as a whole’. It comes down to a decision between the health of a whole nation versus the freedom of a minority.
Arguably by allowing smoking in public places it is the freedom of non-smokers that is being restricted. We choose not to smoke but by going out into a public space this choice is effectively taken away. By smoking in public the smoker is forcing everyone in the vicinity to smoke too, perhaps there should be signs everywhere reading ‘public smoking area only’.
Maybe it is down to my sense of reserve but why is it always the non-smoker, the one who has committed no intrusion that has to quietly get up and move when someone next to them lights up? For years now non-smokers have had to endure the unpleasant inhaling of stale cigarette smoke or coming home smelling like the inside of a dirty ash tray and for those people that have to work under these conditions, in bars or restaurants, the situation is even more exacerbated, as they have no escape.
Perhaps most significantly is the detrimental affect that passive smoking can have on anyone’s health. Passive smoking has been linked to an endless list of serious health problems ranging from bronchitis and asthma to lung cancer and heart disease and even SIDS (sudden infant death syndrome). According to Cancer Research figures several hundred people each year in a single UN die from lung cancer caused by passive smoking. Imagine how many could be saved if public smoking was banned.
Quite apart from the enormous cost to the health services, what is even more infuriating is that in the vast majority of cases, illnesses developed through passive smoking might have been avoided. International experience has shown that the best way to rapidly and successfully tackle health risks from second hand smoke is to take action on smoking in public places.
A ban would not only improve the lives of us non-smokers but would encourage those causing the problem to help themselves. Areas where smoking in public places has been banned entirely suggest that smoke-free environments reduce both the number of smokers in the population at large and the number of cigarettes they get through.
Finally, many people would argue that if we ban smoking in public places where will it end and that having no smoking areas in bars and restaurants is enough. But I would just like to leave with you with an anonymous comment I found on the internet, ‘A smoking section in a bar or restaurant is like having a peeing allowed section in a public swimming pool—it spreads! Would you swim there?’.

President of the democratic republic of miriais
02-06-2007, 14:40
Miriais, only UN-member nations in your region can endorse you. When you have two or more endorsements by UN nations, then you can submit a proposal or a repeal of an existing resolution.

But, before you do submit a proposal, you need to learn how to write one so that it will be legal.

The stickies at the top of this forum are there to help you; please read them. This ( thread will show you why other proposals didn't make it. And this ( thread will show you what other players find annoying (or just wrong) about particular proposals.

There are plenty of UN players who are willing to be helpful to new members. I'll leave the thread open so they can comment.
Quintessence of Dust
02-06-2007, 15:29
OOC: I'd oppose such a proposal, but will leave it to others to say why this might not be of UN concern, or why a public smoking ban is in itself a bad idea. This one is illegal for the following reasons
- format (essays don't have to be written in the current REALIZING/REQUIRES vogue, but they can't be sprawling essays)
- reference to RL life (I work next to a Cancer Research UK lab, and hence can testify to their RLness; also the anonymous Internet quote, which absent reference is arguably plagiarism anyway)
- branding (we know it's by your president; the proposal doesn't need to state this)
- contradiction of existing law (UN Resolution #191, "UN Drug Act", grants nations pretty blanket sovereignty in this matter; this illegality is the most important one, as it is hard to overcome without making the proposal mild, repealing UNDA, or playing some legal tricks)

One other thing to bear in mind: in many nations, there is no cost to the healthcare system. Even considering work time lost through illness, the tax revenue on tobacco products vastly outweighs any economic cost.

My opinion isn't official, and the moderators may disagree with some of my statements on the legality of this proposal, but I strongly suggest redrafting it anyway, because in its present state it is likely to be deleted and guaranteed to fail.

Edit: hadn't realized you'd submitted it. Oh well, so much for that.
02-06-2007, 17:31
*sigh* I didn't realise it had been submitted, either. When I first checked he didn't have any endorsements, so I thought there'd be time for some useful player comments. Anyway, your analysis is bound to helpful, QoD. Thanks.

Miriais, there's also the lack of an actual operative clause -- the title says it's a ban, but the body text doesn't actually say the UN bans it, just says why it should.

Next time you're got a proposal worked out, post it here and wait a day or so for people to make suggestions before you go ahead and submit it. Submitting a proposal means you're accepting that you might be subject to moderator action if you get it wrong.

The Game mods who decide whether to keep proposals or dump 'em don't normally jump up and down on newcomers with hobnailed boots for a single mistake, but we don't want to sour their sweet natures by submitting proposals before they're ready.
03-06-2007, 03:19
OOC: please, please, please put a blank line after paragraph breaks. A dense wodge of text with no breaks in it is very tiring to read. If it's hard to read, most people won't bother. If they don't bother, they won't vote for it. White space is your friend!