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With mankind being faced by vexing problems such as global warming and overpopulation, we should be giving more attention to the viable and logical prospect of space exploration for habitable worlds. If mankind is to flourish outside of Earth, we need to start now. I am currently working on drafting a UN proposal for a possible agency or committee to oversee recommendations for a policy of exploring the stars, as well as encourage industries to promote development of the space exploration field, such as computer technologies, advanced engineering companies, and scientific ideas of how to colonize planets and to advance into the cosmos. If you have any helpful feedback, or if there are any issues I might have overlooked (like some technical rule in the UN forbidding such acts, or some other economic consideration) then I would gladly accept it. I should have a rough draft proposal within a few days, so until then, this vague and basic outline will have to do.

I think it would be a good idea to propose a joint UN Space Exploration Comitte as all member states, especially the poorer, would benefit from otherwise more expensive missions that most country's can not afford to do on a regular basis, whereas if there are joit expeditions the cost would be subsidised by the UN member states taking part and more frequent missions would be able to be carried out.

Could you please let me know when the draft proposal is ready.

Thanks

I would suggest that a clause making sure all space projects would have to be deemed as non-miltary or in any way allow a nation to gain leverage over another should be included and the publishig of al result to be freely open to all UN nations as the obvious things I can think of. Sounds like a good proposal....

Olwell, these are the NS UN resolutions concerned with space:


UN Space Consortium (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=UN_past_resolutions/start=49)

Tracking Near Earth Objects (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=UN_past_resolutions/start=63)

Orbital Space Safety Act (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=UN_past_resolutions/start=173)

You'll have to make sure your proposal doesn't duplicate any of these. You can't amend them, so you may have to try to repeal any that contradicts what you want to do. A recent attempt to repeal UN Space Consortium failed.

For future reference, this (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Index_of_UN_Resolutions) is a subject index of UN Resolutions.

Being a future tech, we do not like people exploring space, unless it is us doing the exploring. We don't want other people to claim territory which we could use for our own population. Stay out of our space.

Rex Smiley, UN Representative

Being a future tech, we do not like people exploring space, unless it is us doing the exploring. We don't want other people to claim territory which we could use for our own population. Stay out of our space.

Rex Smiley, UN Representative



Believing in the U.N.S.C. and wishing to expand its power and capabilities in space, I see your view and opinion as contradictory to the wishes of the U.N. as well as to the overall goal of space exploration by mankind. No single nation can lay claim to exploration of space unless acting under the wishes of the U.N.S.C.

Recognizes UN Resolution #50 and all of its terms

Wishes to expand its powers as well as capabilities of member nations for non-military explorations in outer space.

Recommends formation of a Space Exploration Committee to help jumpstart new programs, such as subsidies to space industries in member nations such as computer technologies, advanced engineering, and rocket designs, as well as new space programs of manned missions to habitable planets such as Mars and Europa.

Continuing the mission of moving forward togetherin a new frontier, started by the U.N.S.C.

Recognizes UN Resolution #50 and all of its terms

Wishes to expand its powers as well as capabilities of member nations for non-military explorations in outer space.

Recommends formation of a Space Exploration Committee to help jump start new programs, such as subsidies to space industries in member nations such as computer technologies, advanced engineering, and rocket designs, as well as new space programs of manned missions to habitable planets such as Mars and Europa.

Continuing the mission of moving forward together in a new frontier, started by the U.N.S.C.

I hate to burst your bubble, but amendments are illegal. You can't do them. Or "expansions". Sorry.

Respectfully,
Dr. Jules Hodz
Akimonad UN Ambassador

OOC: "Mars" and "Europa" don't exist in NS, unless someone recognizes them. But for now, the constitute Real Life references. Real Life does not exist in NationStates.

Well, in response to that, I must make immediate modifications to my first rough draft. Good thing you caught those mistakes.

Well, since I see you've submitted a repeal of UNSC, let's take a look at it shall we.
Category: Repeal


Resolution: #50


Proposed by: Olwell

Description: UN Resolution #50: UN Space Consortium (Category: Free Trade; Strength: Significant) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.So far so good, you managed to get it into the repeal category (you'd be surprised how many people manage to screw that up).

Argument: This resolution was ground-breaking back when it was passed over three years ago; however it merely creates a large corporation for any nation of the world to potentially dominate space exploration through the consortium.

Furthermore, it does not create subsidies for key businesses needed for space exploration (such as information technology, and aerospace industries for advacned rocket design and computer schematics) so as to provide any economic incentive for member nations to venture forth into space."Advacned?" Looks like someone forgot to spell check before submitting.

A committee within the UN should also be created, to replace the U.N.S.C., so as to provide all nations the benefit of space exploration, even the poorer nations who would be unable to afford the costs by themselves, as well as emphasize the non-military nature of all missions, which is missing in UN Resolution #50.http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w166/bak42/gold-light.gifNew Legislation Alert! Sorry repeals cannot contain new legislation, please reread the Proposal rules (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=420465) and try again.


Let all the nations of the world move forward to a peaceful frontier.Well aside from the typo and the new legislation it's not too bad.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

Well the best way to learn is through trial and error. I'm glad i'm getting all the constructive criticism. Ah well, I guess I'll try to re-submit a reworded proposal again once this one dies out.

Well the best way to learn is through trial and error. I'm glad i'm getting all the constructive criticism. Ah well, I guess I'll try to re-submit a reworded proposal again once this one dies out.

The best course of action is to post the proposal on the forums prior to submitting it, that way the errors and illegalities can be pointed out and dealt with.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

OOC: "Mars" and "Europa" don't exist in NS, unless someone recognizes them. But for now, the constitute Real Life references. Real Life does not exist in NationStates.Eh. Those are possibly reasonable to mention. Depends on the context.

We are fully aware of the desperate need for greater research and action in the areas of space colonization and resource utilization. We might support a well thought-out proposal. With two fundamental stipulations.

1. It must not force, ban or otherwise prevent member parties, participants and non-members alike, from having independent coexistent space programs, completely separate of the proposed organization. Including but not limited to; colonization and resource utilization programs.

Basically allow nations to support this and or their own completely separate space program. In cooperation with, or totally detached from the UN organization.

And at the very least must contain some kind of opt out clause.



2. It must promote and maintain, in regards to space, the right of individual and economic self-determination. Or at the very, VERY least it can not interfere with or limit said rights.


I have a few other ideas which i'll post later.

OOC: I have nothing really constructive to add that hasn't been said at this time, but I'd like to congratulate Olwell for being such a good sport and taking criticism in a constructive fashion and continuing on with this idea. I'm gladened to see new delegates that don't just come in to say "the untied nations sucks" or "REad mY perposal it's kewl" and then not following up on it and the like.

*orders a group of Guardians to raise the delegate over their head and parade him/her about the building with much fanfare*

IC: Wolfgang nodded thoughtfully to himself. He'd have to watch this piece. Once it reaches final form, he might just have to vote for. He arose and explained, "You should try to keep in mind that some nations are further behind or ahead of your nation in terms of technology. We, for example, have the Starship Titanic, with its fabulous drives designed by Leovinus and such, and can go blasting about this sector as we please. A trip to Mars is like a trip to the corner convenience store for us. Perhaps this should be more driven towards helping nations further behind expand their space-travel abilities."

The world doesn't need the U.N. as peacemaker, and a space station. The United States, China, Russia, etc. are currently doing a wonderful job. If the U.N. created anything that deals with going to space, it will lower the competition between the countries of the world to out discover each other. The U.N. currently destroys competition, and I only favor the U.N. in a humantartion crisis, or in a 3rd world country. The world and France wouldn't fit the bill, because the United States of America currently has the last word.

China, Russia, France, the United States of America
If you do some research I think you'll find that the nations you have listed are not the superpowers in NationStates that you think they are. Perhaps you were thinking about another world and a different UN.

David Watts
Ambassador
The Dominion of New Leicestershire

OOC: Well I'm glad you guys have showed me enough support and feedback to convince me that this is well worth a couple of other drafts before the final copy. Due to my previous errors, I will post in here from now on. I'm determined to keep going on with this idea - if my final copy of the repeal fails, I'll work on a proposal that doesn't contradict with U.N. Resolution #50. Again thank you all for your continued support.

New Leicestershire would enthusiastically support a repeal of Resolution #50. I'm not certain that we would support a replacement, however.

Since our arrival here, we have discovered that there are, in fact, nations which are giant space-faring empires which regularly travel between different star systems and have numerous colonies on other planets. It would seem silly to us for the UN to have a space exploration agency when space is already being explored on such a massive scale by individual nations.

Instead of a replacement which established another UN Space Agency we would suggest a Free Trade resolution which encouraged the sharing of space-related technologies and equipment.

David Watts
Ambassador
The Dominion of New Leicestershire

OOC: "Mars" and "Europa" don't exist in NS, unless someone recognizes them. But for now, the constitute Real Life references. Real Life does not exist in NationStates.

Naestoria respectfully begs to differ. Both Mars (http://www.nationstates.net/region=Mars) and Europa (http://www.nationstates.net/region=Europa) exist, although they do not seem to be in need of exploration by anyone else at present.... unless you really want to, I suppose.

-- Irina Thais, UN Ambassador

We do not mind space exploration as long as it is not within our territory, which many nations in their first steps will attempt to claim, we also have claimed several worlds which are not completely explored.

This article would interfere with about every future tech nation in existence.

This article would have to cover a statement about exploring claimed territory. In future tech large portions of the milky way are explored and colonized. I realize there are modern tech nations just starting to explore in different parallel timelines, but there needs to be recognition that you can't claim that which has already been staked.

In PMT there are colonies in the asteroid fields, on mars, on Pluto, in the oort cloud and other places.


For example if I have started the process of extracting ore from a near earth asteroid, the UN space exploration agency can't say, hey we haven't explored that asteroid properly turn it over.

Regards,

Rex Smiley

Well I've posted a cleaner draft for repeal of U.N. Resolution #50 a little while ago. Feel free to give it support by approving it - i think its on Page 7, second one down at the moment. If you have any criticism, let me know, but this repeal has most of the arguments people have brought up, with all the corrections people have alerted me about. So yeah, feel free to repeal.

This article would have to cover a statement about exploring claimed territory. In future tech large portions of the milky way are explored and colonized. I realize there are modern tech nations just starting to explore in different parallel timelines, but there needs to be recognition that you can't claim that which has already been staked.
My government agrees with this statement. Although we ourselves are "only" a 'Modern-Tech' nation our close allies ( within the same Region ) include one that has a colony on its Earth's Moon and another one that comprises a collection of artificial habitats which are mainly in the Kuiper Belt of that same version of the Solar System...

Well I've posted a cleaner draft for repeal of U.N. Resolution #50 a little while ago. Feel free to give it support by approving it - i think its on Page 7, second one down at the moment. If you have any criticism, let me know, but this repeal has most of the arguments people have brought up, with all the corrections people have alerted me about. So yeah, feel free to repeal.

For those who don't want to have to hunt:


Category: Repeal
Resolution: #50
Proposed by: Olwell

Description: UN Resolution #50: UN Space Consortium (Category: Free Trade; Strength: Significant) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: This resolution was ground-breaking for helping the world launch into space three years ago; however it merely creates a large corporation to allow a single nation to potentially dominate the field of space exploration through the consortium.

Furthermore, it does not create any key subsidies for businesses needed in the aerospace industry for a space program, such as computer schematics, advanced rocket design, and information technology, in order to provide any economic incentive for space exploration.

In addition, the consortium potentially enfringes upon Future Tech nations, who already have well-established space programs and have claimed areas in space that they have already explored.

We should let all the nations move forward together into space, without encroaching upon the rights of pioneering nations who first put man in space.

A quick scan only revealed one spelling mistake. I still can't say that I particularly agree with the arguments, though, but it's been submitted so there's not much I can do about that.

ETA: it's possible this whole thing is a red herring. While Dr Hodz was quite right to point out that you can't amend or 'expand' an existing resolution, you don't actually need to do that to implement your original proposal. You do, however, need to fund that proposal somehow or other...