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What part of 'we shouldn't be hunting cetaceans regardless' do you not get.
The part where your analogy fails completely since the people you refer to are HUMAN BEINGS, which whales and other cetaceans most assuredly are not.

J. Milford Fairlington III
Chief Legal Counsel
WhaleCo Global LLC

OOC: Do you realize that you just equated the RL institution of slavery with the simulated hunting of simulated whales in an online computer game?

The part where your analogy fails completely since the people you refer to are HUMAN BEINGS, which whales and other cetaceans most assuredly are not.Your objection fails on two counts:

1. The UN is not entirely composed of human beings, and as importantly,
2. The people referred to weren't considered people at that time.

Your objection fails on two counts:

1. The UN is not entirely composed of human beings, and as importantly,
2. The people referred to weren't considered people at that time.
See my edit to post #250 above^^^^

OOC: Do you realize that you just equated the RL institution of slavery with the simulated hunting of simulated whales in an online computer game?OOC: No. If I had been equating anything to RL slavery I would have done so ooc, and at that point would have gone RL comparison all the way. Of course, RL slavery doesn't compare to hunting whales. But what happens 10, 20 years down the road and the research continues to show that cetaceans are our near-equals (but very different based on evolutionary path)? Will the record of our treatment of cetaceans still be "okay" because we thought they were "just" animals? And isn't that how slavery was justified?

I've yet to see any response to the fact that whales contain high levels of mercury, 13.5 times the safe limit if I recall correctly.

I oppose this repeal not because whales are endangered, UNCoESB takes care of that, but because I believe commercial whaling is unethical.

If Rubina would consider a well rounded proposal to put on the floor after this repeal goes through I will support it.

Dakaristan is an environmentally-friendly "green" state. We would never agree to repealing the general ban on whaling.

Really? What about total bans on hunting of endangered species, criminal prosecutions of those who break hunting bans, conservation efforts to prevent species from even becoming endangered, educational programs aimed at informing the public about the impact of unrestrained hunting on local wildlife (so people can learn all about whales from professional educators, not windbag diplomats), capture and breeding programs, etc., etc. -- all enacted under the UNCoESB? This getting through to you, any of it?

Wait you fail to see, sir, is that not all whales are endangered, but very quickly will be so without a ban on whaling. It is the decimation of these other species that we are trying to prevent. This getting through to you, any of it?

WhaleCo doesn't need to "doubletalk" their way around anything, all they have to do to get around any UN imposed protections is leave.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

Spot on, as usual, Mr Flibble; your remarks, though brief, are always apposite.

Indeed, we of Worldsong realised that WhaleCo could easily have avoided Ban Whaling simply by leaving the UN. That made us wonder why WhaleCo was bothering to seek the repeal of this resolution.

I think the answer is, simply, that Ban Whaling is an embarrassment to them. As long as it stands, it provides proof that the the nations of the world think there should be curbs on whaling; even that whaling as such is a Bad Thing. Since WhaleCo is whaling, that implies that WhaleCo itself is ... disapproved of. Not quite nice. A negative image that they have to overcome before getting down to the, er, meat of their sales pitch.

In short, I think this whole repeal effort is an extended public relations exercise to clean up WhaleCo's corporate image.

Thanks, by the way, to the meagre figures (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12602670&postcount=223) Mr Fairlington has finally provided, I think we can safely say that their image is one of a company making spectacularly bloated, even obscene, profits. However, I'm afraid that I'm not really good at reading such bare figures.

For example, I can't find any reference in that to WhaleCo's legal expenses -- and there must be some, unless WhaleCo no longer runs environmental activists down on a clear day when their fluorescent yellow lifejackets and fluorescent orange kayaks should be fairly visible.

What sort of entry do you have for the sudden riches enjoyed by that little village that swore that their traditional hunting amounted to exactly the number of whales three WhaleCo vessels could take? Remember them? They're the ones who picked up three whaling vessels with painted-out WhaleCo logos just days later, at a giveaway price, and turned their whole town over to WhaleCo advisors

There doesn't seem to be much there about your public relations budget that's spent on commercials in prime viewing time for children, the ones where the cute little whales dance into the ships for a fun ride to the nearest lovely processor. Nor about your research budget and the effort WhaleCo puts into inventive ways of disguising the whale content of its products from the "green" consumer.

Of course, I could be imagining all this -- but then WhaleCo could be imagining those massive profits, and somehow, given the mouthpieces it has employed and the circus it has provided in the hope of swaying the UN's vote, I don't think they are.

I personally find the prospect of whaling distasteful. Most Deyagans do. Regardless, we have cast our vote in this matter. If the opposition prevails, so be it.

We don't find it distasteful at all. Quite the contrary, actually. We find whales quite tasty.

Wait you fail to see, sir, is that not all whales are endangered, but very quickly will be so without a ban on whaling. It is the decimation of these other species that we are trying to prevent. This getting through to you, any of it?

What you fail to see, sir, is that once they become endangered, as has already been explained ad nauseam here, the protections afforded by the UNCoESB would kick in. This getting through to you at all?

Not too long ago, in a place not too far away...

We, of course, won't hunt the inferior black race into extinction, they're too important as a resource to us. But they're animals don't you know, so we've got every right to hunt them. They don't have language like we do, they don't look like us, they look like they think and have emotions, but they're really just mimicing real people. They're savages and never will be our equal, you can tell by the bumps on their heads..

We have breeding programs planned to make sure we have a steady supply, and educational programs to learn about their funny way of singing and dancing and how they rut in the jungle. They're far more protected under our care than free.

What part of 'we shouldn't be hunting cetaceans regardless' do you not get.

Oh crap...someone left the looney bin unlocked again...

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

Maybe I'm just stating the obvious here, or repeating some already made arguments, yet as the newly appointed Prime Minister of the Community of Teoghlach, I've got to say something here in my first trip to the United Nations.

Amidst all the "whale recipes," and "whale cook-offs" I'm noticing, it's completely obvious that this resolution is a farce. Why? Because it states in that Resolution #119 already bans whaling. It doesn't. At all. There is no outright ban against whaling in this resolution whatsoever, and as a result of repealing this resolution, the whale cook-offs will be raining from the sky. For anyone who enjoys their whale steak with fins and swimming around in something other than a marinating sauce, the only way to vote against this resolution is against.

the only way to vote against this resolution is against.

Thank you, Professor Obvious.

Thank you, Professor Obvious.

If it was so obvious, it would be winning. :)

Nerves were the least of Perim Pol’tsk worries as he sat in the General Assembly. He’d been waiting for three hours to make a statement feeling the ever increasing affects of four cups of Telidian tea making its way to his bladder. He had hoped his opening address would dazzle and impress, but that looked increasingly unlikely as the Cluichstan and Teoghlach delegates jumped to reply to the other.

Noting a sudden gap he jumped up, almost shouting “Honoured colleagues” grimacing quietly in pain.

“Her grace the Duke Archy’li’s government has commanded I vote in favour of this item. Whilst our government does not….”

The point of no return had come on suddenly, transforming with it beginners nerves into outright panic. A little apprehension opening your mouth for the first time was one thing, but peeing yourself with half the world’s representatives watching was quite another. The “Gents” sign earlier a symbol of mock had became a fanatical destination no matter how awkward the journey.

We believe that Resolution #70 ("Banning Whaling") and many of the arguments used to support it, reeks of undesirable influence of the mythical RL world. RL is not equal to NS. Thus most of what Res#70 say may not be the case in NS. And, as some delegates have noted, should those whales become endangered, UNCoESB would take care of that.

Noting this, the United Kingdom of Brutland and Norden had voted in favor of this proposal, "Repeal 'Banning Whaling' ".

Carina Talchimio-Spicolli (http://www.ns.goobergunch.net/nationstates/index.php/Carina_Talchimio-Spicolli)
His Majesty's Permanent Representative to the United Nations

Repealing the ban on whaling would be an act of aggregious criminal negligence. An organization like the UN, bound to the duty of facilitating international diplomacy, should not be weilded like a sword by corporate entities who proudly stand to gain from the decimation of an entire species.

Whales are a precious form of life that should be protected by a body such as this. Ours is not an organization that deals in the distribution of corporate welfare. A vote in favor of this repeal is a vote to hand the responsibility of international relations over to the profit motivations of big-business.

The reasoning that another resolution, previously adopted by this body, should retroactively dismiss the necessity of this one, which specifies a need for the protection of whales, is utterly absurd. This is an obvious attempt by big-business facists to marginalize the good of the global ecosystem in favor of meeting quotas and quarterly earning projections. Shame on WhaleCo, and shame on the supporters of this resolution for encouraging the use of this body as a tool for corporate gain. Vote AGIANST this resolution.

I've yet to see any response to the fact that whales contain high levels of mercury, 13.5 times the safe limit if I recall correctly.

I've yet to see yourself, or anyone else, provide any proof of this "fact". Show me some documentation stating that whales contain high levels of mercury in the seas of NationStates. And it had better not be any of those made up fantasy "documents" from the mythical land of RL.

J. Milford Fairlington III
Chief Legal Counsel
WhaleCo Global LLC

Having a redundant resolution promoting the protection of rare and precious life on this planet should not be seen as anything other than humane and noble. There could be ten or more resolutions committing the UN to the protection of any species against the march of blood thirsty profit-mongers, and that still wouldn't be over the top. The people of Komasi hate bureaucracy just as much as everyone else, but just because protecting wildlife makes more paper-work for politicians doesn't mean lobbyists like WhaleCo should be able to exterminate whales for profit. The protection of life is worth a little redunancy, if not deserving of it.

Should this resolution pass, God forbid, The Komasi State Department will draft a resolution to counter it, and building in protections against future attempts at corporate manipulation on decisions concerning the for-profit-extermination of wildlife. I'll need some help though. Who's with me?

The only good whale is a whale dipped in some bbq sauce, or in a lamp.

This repealing of the ban will make our economies thrive and encourage international trade, and rid our waters of these mammoth monstrocities devouring our protected fish specie. These whale are a MENACE and to repeal this ban would be a step in the right direction.

Having a redundant resolution promoting the protection of rare and precious life on this planet should not be seen as anything other than humane and noble. There could be ten or more resolutions committing the UN to the protection of any species against the march of blood thirsty profit-mongers, and that still wouldn't be over the top. The people of Komasi hate bureaucracy just as much as everyone else, but just because protecting wildlife makes more paper-work for politicians doesn't mean lobbyists like WhaleCo should be able to exterminate whales for profit. The protection of life is worth a little redunancy, if not deserving of it.

Why, that's fucking brilliant! From now on, I say we do nothing but pass legislation banning whaling. We could pass one new resolution each week! It'd be fantastic!

Should this resolution pass, God forbid, The Komasi State Department will draft a resolution to counter it, and building in protections against future attempts at corporate manipulation on decisions concerning the for-profit-extermination of wildlife.

Why stop at just one? We could draft thousands of them!

I'll need some help though. Who's with me?

Bah, go shit in your hat.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

Here are my questions to everyone:

What level of a species constitutes being endangered?

Who will track these numbers and ensure that they are reported accurately?

Who will ensure that a stable whaling industry is in place?

Your current arguements for whaling can be summed as follows:
Well you can't stop me.
It's my right.
It's tasty.
It's profitable.
Don't tell me what to do.

Your arguement that when it becomes endangered it will be protected is remarkably ... well for a lack of a better word... stupid. This is like not doing repairs and maintence on a building until you notice that its about to collapse.

I would also like to point out that your so called 'right' to hunt is selfish and ill thought out. You make it sound as if humans are apart from nature. Now don't go giving me that 'your a hippie' BS. What I mean is that humans evolved in and live off of our surroundings. We are not the only thing in our surroundings. If you are an accurate example of humanity then we are intelligent, highly developed, arrogant, short sighted animals that can not control our short term wants in order to provide for our long term needs.

Whales, sharks, dolphins and other animals and even plants are part of a complex bio system that is both adaptive and flexable. But it can only adapt and flex so much. You suggest testing the limits of these systems. But if we do go over the edge of what a system can handle then we risk enacting our own eventual suicide.

You sound like lazy immature children. If you have an constructive arguement besides 'Why can't I?' then state it or shut up. You are why humans will eventually wipe themselves out.

Do not tell me how to run my nation, should my people require whale product I will ensure that they HAVE their whale product, damn the concequences, the whale is not a productive species to the planet, all it does is dump massive quantities of reproductive "subtance", fecal matter, cripples our small fishing communities and threaten our waters with its leaving of mercury drenched waste that OUR fish end up EATING. How can these gargantuan toxic waste dumps POSSIBLY be a key part of the ecosystem?!

Here are my questions to everyone:

What level of a species constitutes being endangered?
That is determined by The Executive of UNCoESB. They have unlimited powers to make that determination for each individual species. They could determine that all whales are endangered and issue a blanket ban on all whaling. They could determine that some species of whale are endangered and ban hunting them, they could place quotas on the hunting of others and they could allow unregulated hunting of still others.
Who will track these numbers and ensure that they are reported accurately?
The Executive of UNCoESB.

Who will ensure that a stable whaling industry is in place?
Guess.

J. Milford Fairlington III
Chief Legal Counsel
WhaleCo Global LLC

Whale populations need to be allowed time to recover.

Besides, haven't any of you people seen Star Trek? Without whales, the earth is doomed!


Also, these emoticons seem to imply a lot of flaming on the forums generally.


So yeah, if there's 1000 or so whales going spare, yis can kill 1 or 2 and I'll have no problems, but lets not kill them all. That'd be patently stupid.

If we limit supply, prices will skyrocket. This would help people who have maratime dependant ecomomies.

---snip---

So, I take it your ambassador won't be joining in on the Whale Killing Champions League Cup? Pity...

Besides, haven't any of you people seen Star Trek? Without whales, the earth is doomed!

Yes, because Star Trek is fact. I believe there are some men in white coats waiting for you outside, sir.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

Do not tell me how to run my nation, should my people require whale product I will ensure that they HAVE their whale product, damn the concequences, the whale is not a productive species to the planet, all it does is dump massive quantities of reproductive "subtance", fecal matter, cripples our small fishing communities and threaten our waters with its leaving of mercury drenched waste that OUR fish end up EATING. How can these gargantuan toxic waste dumps POSSIBLY be a key part of the ecosystem?!

Note: See human activity.

Note: See human activity.

Humans are hardly the size and hardly have the potential for waste that whales do, there are so many whales dumping soo many gallons of sperm and other nasty little bits into the ocean, you expect us to eat the fish that feed on these leavings? That sir, is absurd.

For example, I can't find any reference in that to WhaleCo's legal expenses -- and there must be some, unless WhaleCo no longer runs environmental activists down on a clear day when their fluorescent yellow lifejackets and fluorescent orange kayaks should be fairly visible.

What sort of entry do you have for the sudden riches enjoyed by that little village that swore that their traditional hunting amounted to exactly the number of whales three WhaleCo vessels could take? Remember them? They're the ones who picked up three whaling vessels with painted-out WhaleCo logos just days later, at a giveaway price, and turned their whole town over to WhaleCo advisors

There doesn't seem to be much there about your public relations budget that's spent on commercials in prime viewing time for children, the ones where the cute little whales dance into the ships for a fun ride to the nearest lovely processor. Nor about your research budget and the effort WhaleCo puts into inventive ways of disguising the whale content of its products from the "green" consumer.
*sigh* Let me guess, you want even more detailed records? And where will it end? Car rental receipts? Bar tabs? Credit card records? Cell phone bills? Cap'n Tom's favorite brand of tobacco? The cost of Chef Ito's traditional Japanese chef outfits? The exact daily operating expenses of our Whale Calf Breeding and Whale Veal Production Facility? (http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/gifsarch2/fishfarm_norway_300.jpg)

Sorry, no more financial records will be forthcoming.

J. Milford Fairlington III
Chief Legal Counsel
WhaleCo Global LLC

We have voted FOR this resolution. My senior, George Madison, has already spoken on this, but while he is away in Highmark City facing confirmation hearings from the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, I will take the opportunity to outline our view a little.

I strongly support international environmental protection, but do not feel the opponents of this repeal have made a strong enough case for keeping this resolution; while I do not agree with all of the arguments, contentions and rabid dementia of the supporters, I feel we should in this case repeal, in the absence of any overwhelming reason not to. The issues raised - cruelty in hunting, the problem of endangered status, the special intelligence of whales - are not in themselves enough.

Further, they are to some extent peripheral. If indeed certain hunting methods are excessively cruel, they should be prohibited - and while Mr. Madison would no doubt prostrate himself before the altar of the free market and reassure us it will all work out anyway, I don't share that faith. But that is a separate issue, and is not exclusive to whaling: a resolution on ethical hunting would not duplicate the provisions of the UNCoESB resolution. Similarly, the potential problems of that legislation are true for all species, not just whales. Personally, I have confidence in the Committee to set reasonable quotas; if it is felt the overall mechanism is still problematic, then that resolution - not this one - needs replacing.

As for whales being intelligent, it seems again like a peripheral issue. Other animals are intelligent; other animals are more intelligent. That raises numerous issues - with regard to scientific research, hunting and preservation, and the concept of rights - but it again seems like something for a separate, comprehensive resolution to address. To have a separate resolution for each species we felt was somehow special would excessively clutter the UN's lawbooks.

Hence, I support the resolution, though noting my distaste at the antics of that despicable individual Mr. Fairlington, who seemed to revel at the tragic demise of the eloquent former First Singer. Pffft to you, sir.

-- Samantha Benson
Congressional Liaison to the Select Committee on International Relations
The Democratic States of Quintessence of Dust
Acting Chair, The Green Think Tank (http://s13.invisionfree.com/Green_Think_Tank)

:mp5: you lot need shotting

These gentle (poisonous) giants spend their lives contaminating our fish population. By eating tons of small mercury rich fish, the whale concentrates even higher levels of mercury into its fecal matter, more fish come along and eat this fecal matter, raising the level of mercury in themselves, in this cycle We end up being the losers as when we fish and eat the fish our risk of contracting mercury poisoning is increasingly high. These monsters need to be stopped, before our children and our athletes die from eating any of these poisonous mercury rich whale byproducts.

Is the general consensus somehow that whale fecal matter is doing the most damage to the aquatic ecosystems of the world? This seems like a very, very slippery slope.

These gentle (poisonous) giants spend their lives contaminating our fish population. By eating tons of mercury rich fish, the whale concentrates even high levels of mercury into its fecal matter, more fish come along and eat this fecal matter, raising the level of mercury in themselves, in this cycle We end up being the losers as when we fish and eat the fish our risk of contracting mercury poisoning is increasingly high. These monsters need to be stopped, before our children and our athletes die from eating any of these poisonous mercury rich whale byproducts.
Gah! And just what are you basing this drivel on? I have seen no evidence provided by yourself or anyone, anywhere, that mercury levels are as high as you claim. That goes for all fish and whales swimming in the seas of NationStates.

Whale and fish are perfectly safe, nutritious and delicious foods which provide an important source of protein to billions of people all across the globe. In many communities they provide the only source. If we were to follow your fevered rantings it would lead to a worldwide famine. Are you, sir, advocating famine?

J. Milford Fairlington III
Chief Legal Counsel
WhaleCo Global LLC

You are trying tell me that the compacting of the current levels of mercury, at any level, by a whale, en masse, could not be a risk to the fish we eat? I say these beasts need to be either bred only in captivity, as to keep them healthy and edible, or need to be nonexistant.

Famine would Not be a road I would be willing to travel, but perhaps as I said, were these beasts to be bred and kept alive only In captivity, we would not have any issues with them at all. One person said to me, "G. Roberts, what you say about these whales could be said about us humans." (paraphrasing of course) but if this is true, then if we were to get rid of the whales, global ecological problems would then be reduced greatly.

I would argue that there's also a risk in driving cars, yet many nations have adopted this practice. The risk of mercury if it even exists is miniscule in terms of whale fecal matter. Humans on this planet, with billions of people in many nations, are what do the damage. Allowing whale hunting allows humans an expanded opportunity to do even more damage to a balanced planet. Leave 'em alone.

My arguement is that these whales are a plague on our oceans, and should be removed, and if not removed than quarantined.

My arguement is that these whales are a plague on our oceans, and should be removed, and if not removed than quarantined.

I may be beating a dead horse here, yet I would like to know how. I express the concern that has been shared that there is no evidence that mercury does any harm to any fish in the waters. Secondly, whales eat plankton: how many nations have plankton as their main dish of survival?

I still fail to see how it is our business as the United Nations to become involved in allowing whales to be hunted on the count that "they're a plague." Pardon the pun, yet it holds no water.

:mp5: you lot need shotting

Shotting, eh? We really shouldn't let those from the shallow end of the gene pool participate in the debates here...

Allowing whale hunting allows humans an expanded opportunity to do even more damage to a balanced planet. Leave 'em alone.

Yes, because without the whales defending the planet from the evil humans, we'd be totally screwed!

This crap's getting old -- quickly.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

I may be beating a dead horse here, yet I would like to know how. I express the concern that has been shared that there is no evidence that mercury does any harm to any fish in the waters. Secondly, whales eat plankton: how many nations have plankton as their main dish of survival?

I still fail to see how it is our business as the United Nations to become involved in allowing whales to be hunted on the count that "they're a plague." Pardon the pun, yet it holds no water.

Were the whaling companies to be given free reign, in time they would do as we have done for our logging industries and our beef and swine type industries, they would have whale Farms of a sort, and it would keep these menacing beasts out of open waters.

I may be beating a dead horse here...

I'd be so much happier if you were beating a dead whale.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

Shotting, eh? We really shouldn't let those from the shallow end of the gene pool participate in the debates here...



Yes, because without the whales defending the planet from the evil humans, we'd be totally screwed!

This crap's getting old -- quickly.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

With all due respect, the "crap" that's getting old are arguments such as, "Some nations live off only whale." They'd be dead by now. The resolution banning it has been in place for years. The "crap" that's getting old is somehow turning a balanced world argument into a, "We don't need whales defending the earth" argument. Please.

Were the whaling industry given free reign over the whale population, eventually these creatures would end up in farms, like our cattle, or our sheep. Keeping them out of open waters and yet still keeping them for our industry folk, keeping the ecosystems clean of these brine spewing monsters and keeping the global economy strong and ever rising.

With all due respect, the "crap" that's getting old are arguments such as, "Some nations live off only whale." They'd be dead by now. The resolution banning it has been in place for years. The "crap" that's getting old is somehow turning a balanced world argument into a, "We don't need whales defending the earth" argument. Please.

A "balanced world"? What the fuck is that? Nothing more than bullshit fluffy rhetoric.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

With all due respect, the "crap" that's getting old are arguments such as, "Some nations live off only whale." They'd be dead by now. The resolution banning it has been in place for years. The "crap" that's getting old is somehow turning a balanced world argument into a, "We don't need whales defending the earth" argument. Please.

The indigenous peoples of Bibliotecos were a fishing society that survived by hunting the produce of the sea, which included several species of the order cetaceae. Need I remind you of the aboriginal hunting license?

Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot to mention that my nation is an intergalactic empire located in another dimension.

This bullshit that "we need to defend the earth" and "save the waaaaaaales" is what's getting old. Are you just dense, or did you miss the part where it was very clearly explained that UNcoESb already covers what Banning Whaling does, only better?

If you'll permit me the lowbrow quotes-

STFU and GBTW.

Landaman Pendankr
Director of UN Affairs
Baron of Khaylamnian Samda

A "balanced world"? What the fuck is that? Nothing more than bullshit fluffy rhetoric.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

A balanced world is a sense of responsibility that not every nation has, and obviously this is shining through. This I have no problem with; we're not all Liberal Democtratic Socialists. However, call it rhetoric if you'd like; no arguments in favour of the repeal can stand on their own two feet. The resolution that says to repeal this says that another resolution does what this one does already, and this is a farce. That's what's old.

So to all that have treated my nation's attempts to get diplomatically involved, take all of your low-based comments and shove them. I've done what I can to take to a respectful debate,and will continue to do so: those in favour of the repeal have shown ignorance, and somehow, it is flattering the voters.

What you fail to see, sir, is that once they become endangered, as has already been explained ad nauseam here, the protections afforded by the UNCoESB would kick in.

I see. Apparently, my statement was, in fact, not clear enough for you to correctly understand. You see, I am saying it would be ideal if the protections of the UNCoESB were unneeded. The goal is not to prevent the species from dying out, it is to help species thrive, but not so much as is detrimental to the rest of the ecosystem.

Also, I suggest that many of you return to your basic biology books. Whales, being mammals, undergo internal fertilization. For this reason, there is no large dumping of this "substance," as it has been childishly put. As for feces, what goes in must come out. What emerges from an animal's rear is nothing more than what is left from that eaten by the animal before hand plus a large amount of microbes that have been living inside the body already. Hardly deadly to our fish populations, which are actually quite resistant to toxins, as they themselves produce ammonia, a poison in large enough quantities, in place of the urea that mammals produce. So let's keep the facts straight here, and not just make up arguments for the sake of having something to say.

Gail of the Rogue Nation of Syek

A "balanced world"? What the fuck is that? Nothing more than bullshit fluffy rhetoric.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

A balanced world is a sense of responsibility that not every nation has, and obviously this is shining through. This I have no problem with; we're not all Liberal Democtratic Socialists. However, call it rhetoric if you'd like; no arguments in favour of the repeal can stand on their own two feet. The resolution that says to repeal this says that another resolution does what this one does already, and this is a farce. That's what's old.

So to all that have treated my nation's attempts to get diplomatically involved, take all of your low-based comments and shove them. I've done what I can to take to a respectful debate: those in favour of the repeal have shown ignorance, and somehow, it is flattering the voters.

I keep seeing people use the phrase "this is getting old". What's getting old? It is unbelievable to me that so many don't care about preserving the ecosystem, and that their best response to contrary claims is to dismiss it as "old".

"Because we want to hunt whales" is not a good enough reason to commit genocide for profit. Period. Now, i'm not saying we should ban hunting animals altogether. Cultivation of livestock is vital to the survival of all major and developing nations alike.

But that isn't what this debate should be about. The "right" to hunt whales is an issue that can be debated endlessly, with BOTH SIDES getting tired of each other's arguments. The debate here should be about the fact that this repeal was INTRODUCED BY A CORPORATE LOBBYIST. He is using the UN as a tool. You, the voting members of the UN, become the whaling industry's little tool box, submitting your authority under corporate interest.

So I say again. Don't argue over whether or not you have the right to hunt whales, that isn't even the problem. Some nations will want the ban, others won't, but even if you are craven enough to hunt a species to extinction because you feel likt it, if you really have that kind of self-righteous indignity, maybe you should stop and think about whether or not you can live with a business entity playing you like a bad poker hand.

Hope that fresh, deserved, whale meat goes tastes super without the burden of a conscience. Hope its all worth it. Because wholesale genocide is an awfully terrible thing to do, whether the victims are human or not.

We don't find it distasteful at all. Quite the contrary, actually. We find whales quite tasty.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

Yes, mercury poisoning is much less important than taste. And whale tastes like a greasy piece of shit, so I can't speak very highly of your taste in food.

Are you seriously suggesting that eating an animal because it's tasty, or destroying an entire ethnicity because you don't like them are the same? You make me sick...

Why cant our whaler industry do as our other harvesting industries? Allow them whale FARMS. The same works to preserve forests, and it protects the wild whales, while providing room for genetic engineering, perhaps we could have a more succulent whale, a whale oil that burns more Slowly. It would open the whaling world up to all kinds of scientific improvements, cloning perhaps?

I have a better idea: How about we just farm mentally deficient humans? Since they are oh so much less intelligent than us it would be acceptable, right?

There is absolutely no valid argument in favor of whaling on a commercial scale.

I've yet to see yourself, or anyone else, provide any proof of this "fact". Show me some documentation stating that whales contain high levels of mercury in the seas of NationStates. And it had better not be any of those made up fantasy "documents" from the mythical land of RL.

J. Milford Fairlington III
Chief Legal Counsel
WhaleCo Global LLC
That's a fallacious argument. I could just as easily ask you to prove that whales do in fact exist in NS, or - to take a nihilistic approach - that you are existent.

With all due respect, the "crap" that's getting old are arguments such as, "Some nations live off only whale." They'd be dead by now. The resolution banning it has been in place for years. The "crap" that's getting old is somehow turning a balanced world argument into a, "We don't need whales defending the earth" argument. Please.

A "balanced world"? What the fuck is that? Nothing more than bullshit fluffy rhetoric.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

Wait, can you have rhetoric if you're new?

"Because we want to hunt whales" is not a good enough reason to commit genocide for profit. Period. Now, i'm not saying we should ban hunting animals altogether. Cultivation of livestock is vital to the survival of all major and developing nations alike.
OOC:
Lessee here... dictionary.com... genocide.... ah, here:


gen·o·cide /ˈdʒɛnəˌsaɪd/ [jen-uh-sahyd] –noun
the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

I see no mention of animals, unless they're cultural groups.

IC:
Of course "Because we want to hunt whales" is a good reason! Anything's a good reason! It's a bad reason! It's our opinion! Get it?
/sarcasm

The debate here should be about the fact that this repeal was INTRODUCED BY A CORPORATE LOBBYIST. He is using the UN as a tool.

So? It's still legal. :P

You, the voting members of the UN, become the whaling industry's little tool box, submitting your authority under corporate interest
So, are you accusing us of corruption or... ?

"Welcome to the UN, the World's Largest Concentration of Corruption in One Area. Enjoy your stay. ENJOY!"

Hope that fresh, deserved, whale meat goes tastes super without the burden of a conscience. Hope its all worth it. Because wholesale genocide is an awfully terrible thing to do, whether the victims are human or not.

My guilt-tripometer just broke from the strain.
(Guilt-tripometers now on sale.)

And, it is worth it. Thanks for [not] caring.


Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot to mention that my nation is an intergalactic empire located in another dimension.

This bullshit that "we need to defend the earth" and "save the waaaaaaales" is what's getting old. Are you just dense, or did you miss the part where it was very clearly explained that UNcoESb already covers what Banning Whaling does, only better?

Landaman Pendankr
Director of UN Affairs
Baron of Khaylamnian Samda

Well said, Mr. Pedankr.

And here's some UN cards.

For "save the whales":
http://test256.free.fr/UN%20Cards/notagain.jpg

And another:
http://test256.free.fr/UN%20Cards/bf451a8b.jpg

Respectfully,
Dr. Jules Hodz
Akimonad UN Ambassador

Are you seriously suggesting that eating an animal because it's tasty, or destroying an entire ethnicity because you don't like them are the same? You make me sick...
I invite you to partake of whale, rest assured it will be an isolated incident.

As to your question; why is hunting a species that can never be maintained any different than murdering humans on a large scale? What makes us better than them?

What's passing for "debate" here is sickening -- even more so than that time I got a bit of bad whale sushi. Whinging about how we can't be killing the smart whales; how their songs are pretty, so we can't possibly eat them; how they're part of this grand "ecosystem," the balance of which must be maintained at all costs? All of it manure.

If opponents of this repeal can come up with a realistic argument against the repeal, one that denies that UNCoESB doesn't afford appropriate protection for whales if they're so fucking helpless and on the brink of extinction (OMGooses! Tug the heartstrings!), then the people of Cluichstan would consider such an argument. Sadly, though, the opposition to this repeal has done nothing but fling poo and shriek like little monkeys.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadner bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

P.S. Come to think of it, I wonder what little monkeys taste like...

I invite you to partake of whale, rest assured it will be an isolated incident.

As to your question; why is hunting a species that can never be maintained any different than murdering humans on a large scale? What makes us better than them?

Two words: opposable thumbs.

I think a main point of contention is that UNCoESB still allows whaling. The argument is that it should be banned outright 100%; not that it should be regulated. UNCoESB could set the quota of whales at 0, yet as it is written, I get the impression that it sets a quota above 0, and if a species is in dire need, it will breed more. It almost seems like a cyclic problem that could be avoided, in terms of whaling, with an outright ban. This is how I understand it.

Two words: opposable thumbs.

All primates have opposable thumbs, yet I don't see anyone pushing for equality.

Do not tell me how to run my nation, should my people require whale product I will ensure that they HAVE their whale product, damn the concequences, the whale is not a productive species to the planet, all it does is dump massive quantities of reproductive "subtance", fecal matter, cripples our small fishing communities and threaten our waters with its leaving of mercury drenched waste that OUR fish end up EATING. How can these gargantuan toxic waste dumps POSSIBLY be a key part of the ecosystem?!

So you are talking about a theoretical not actual need huh? Also if whales are full of mercury then maybe you shouldn't eat them. You might also care to look at how said mercury entered into the whale's ecosystem. But that of course would require science and logic. None of which pro whaling have shown so far.

So far we have proven that there is no need for this repeal. That no UN countries economy is dependant on whaling. And that it is unhealthy to eat whales. After all if a country (especially UN country) needed whaling for their economy then they either have been illegally whaling for the last while or are liars. Plus with the arguements from the pro whaling side about the pollution present in the whales and the water system enforces the need for a whaling ban. They obviously should stop hunting whales as whales don't produce mercury but store it. Thus if there is no whales there is more mercury in environment and in the fish. Also if whales store mercury then eating them is a health hazard. Unless another idiot would like to step up and proclaim the benefits of mercury. And preferablly prove it by eating say a shot glass worth every day for two months?

The pro whaling arguements here have been abusive, petty and have proven that there is no shortage of stupid within this debate. To be honest I hope most of you are doing it to annoy people that take this seriously. Because if this is truly how 50% of people think (according to recent UN voting) then we have 0% chance of survival as a species. That is unless a certain 50% of the species ceases to exist or change.

From Representative Borat Sogadiev of Gilabad,

"Hellao!! It is me again, Borat Sogadiev!! I think that this proposal is a very niice, thankyou!! The whaling industry is a very important component of Gilabad's economy. It is worth very big dollar$$ in the black market and many nations such as Japan pay a very high price per whale! Even though this "whaling ban" has been in place, we have been whaling for years. Not only because we weren't aware of such a ban on a sovereign nation's commercial practices, but we simply do not care!!! I think that whoever opposes this proposal is an Uzbeck and a hyppocrit, because now you are the only ones "whaling" about why this proposal shouldn't be implemented. I salute the nation who submitted this proposal. Thank-a-you again!!!"


-Representative,
Borat Sogadiev

Well said, Mr. Pedankr.

And here's some UN cards.

For "save the whales":
http://test256.free.fr/UN%20Cards/notagain.jpg

And another:
http://test256.free.fr/UN%20Cards/bf451a8b.jpg

Respectfully,
Dr. Jules Hodz
Akimonad UN Ambassador

what was wrong with my card? :(

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w107/Cookesland/thcrad0iy.png

The Blue Eyed Man
UN Ambassador
United States of Cookesland

The Great Republic of Alaska supports the Resolution to legalize whaling. It would significantly open up more economic opportunities for us, as whales in Alaska are very common and abundant.

No, it's just that many species of whales pass Alaska on their migration, what you are seeing is most of the eastern Pacific whale population.

Alaska 1 is not in The East Pacific, so I would assume that isn't true.

Lord Edward Black
Navanonian UN Representative

I have a better idea: How about we just farm mentally deficient humans? Since they are oh so much less intelligent than us it would be acceptable, right?

But they aren't whales, so you're just reducing the argument to the absurd.

There is absolutely no valid argument in favor of whaling on a commercial scale.

Are you seriously that dense? I'm asking a legitimate questions here- did you jame your fingers in your ears and dance around singing folk tunes while the folks from WhaleCo were speaking about the economics of whaling?

That's a fallacious argument. I could just as easily ask you to prove that whales do in fact exist in NS, or - to take a nihilistic approach - that you are existent.

Idiotic question dodging. You get a gold star for completely missing the point, which is that whales cannot obviously be proven to be endangered because there's no evidence to prove that case in NS. Just as easilty as you can say whales in you nation are endangered, I can easily say that the water-world of Risaak 9 is home to every single known species of terrestrial whale and some other extraterrestrial kinds.

So I invited all folks to come to the Empire, visit Risaak 9, and engage in the fine sport of whale hunting. It's okay, Risaak's got enough!

Landaman Pendankr
Director of UN Affairs
Baron of Khaylamnian Samda
Allech-Atreus

Oh dear, it'll be good when this one passes through. What's next? :p

In our lifetime, there are some whale species that are endangered, and may become extinct in our lifetimes.

Endangered whale species include:
Blue Whale (Balaenoptera musculus)
Bowhead Whale (Balaena mysticetus)
Fin Whale (Balaenoptera physalus)
Humpback Whale (Megaptera novaeangliae)
Right Whale (Balaena glacialis)
Sei Whale (Balaenoptera borealis)
Sperm Whale (Physeter macrocephalus)

These whales became endangered because they were hunted so heavily that the populations were severely reduced.

The fate of whales must not be put into the hands of corporations.

And whale tastes like a greasy piece of shit, so I can't speak very highly of your taste in food.

Obfeeuoosly it ves cuuked by un emeteoor. Bork Bork Bork!

http://www.thenest.nu/archive/scam_letters/swedish_chef_02.jpg
Sven
Bob Flibble's personal chef

Right. Unbanning whaling? How would YOU like to be deep fried and served with catsup?

Didn't you learn your lesson in the victorian era?

If you seriously think that this whaling act will be humane to the animals, then you have to get run over by a steaming truck of various orc parts. Like, right now. :upyours:

Yes, mercury poisoning is much less important than taste. And whale tastes like a greasy piece of shit, so I can't speak very highly of your taste in food.

I have a better idea: How about we just farm mentally deficient humans? Since they are oh so much less intelligent than us it would be acceptable, right?

There is absolutely no valid argument in favor of whaling on a commercial scale.


That's a fallacious argument. I could just as easily ask you to prove that whales do in fact exist in NS, or - to take a nihilistic approach - that you are existent.
*Chef Ito appears, dressed in a flowing kimono and armed with a samurai sword*

Gaijin, you have insulted my culinary skills and now you have insulted my honorable employer. For this you will pay dearly. Humph!

*With this, a nearby Robotic Destructor Bunny tosses Chef Ito a pair of Fine Yeldan Photon Blasters™ cleverly disguised as frozen carp (set to stun, of course. It would be impolitic to blow heads off in the GA) and he launches a withering fusillade at the Delphinidae Tursiops delegation, rendering them immobile (and thankfully, speechless).*

*Meanwhile, across the General Assembly Hall, the doorway bursts open and Felix Dzerzhinsky enters, accompanied by three platoons of Robotic Destructor Bunnies and the Defenestratinator V.1 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12307153&postcount=106). He quickly assesses the situation and springs into action.*

The debate has gotten entirely out of hand and has been taken over by subversive elements. I have identified the source of the unrest and shall dispense with it forthwith.

*he points in the direction of the First Singer (and former second singer) of Worldsong*

SEIZE THAT CREATURE AND DEFENESTRATE IT IMMEDIATELY!

*Felix and several of the ferocious little rabbits leap into the tank containing the First Singer. Using tarps and nylon cables they quickly construct a sort of sling around the beast. The cables are attached to a large mechanical arm on the Defenestratinator V.1 which is then maneuvered into position to launch the whale out the nearest window (it's a very large window).

*Nearby, a squad of Destructor Bunnies can be seen hurling the Delphinidae Tursiops delegation out a window. Felix climbs atop the whale.*

Comrade Bunnies, you may fire when ready, but first allow me to climb dow......

*Awaiting no further instructions, the Bunny in charge of operating the Defenestratinator moves a lever and with a belch of foul black smoke and a mighty groaning sound, it slingshots the First Singer, and Felix, out the window.*

*With a tremendous splash, they land in the Vastiva Memorial Reflecting Pool and disappear below the surface.*

*Seconds pass, then a minute. Suddenly, the whale appears on the surface with Felix mounted on its back. They battle ferociously for what seems an eternity (mostly Felix curses loudly in Russian while the whale tries to find a way to dislodge him). Finally, the whale manages to unseat Felix and closes in for the kill. Felix stares defiantly at the mighty cetacean. The whale circles once, pauses in front of Felix...*

*...and eats him.*

OOC:
DON'T PANIC!

I think (hope) that this situation can be resolved amicably and Felix will survive his ordeal within the belly of the whale.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled debate, already in progress.

:mp5: you lot need shotting*FWOOSH!*


Well, it looks like Sven's getting close to finishing. I can't wait to start judging. Chef Ito's offering looks delectable!


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/Tindalos/UN/Verm.jpg
Vermithrax Pejorative
UN Observer
The Federated Technocratic Oligarchy of the Most Glorious Hack

The sides of the behemoth ripple angrily. The mighty jaws grind. And an expression of extreme disgust crosses the expressive visage of the First (formerly Second) Singer.

"This is manufactured meat!" he bellows. "Don't try to cover up the facts! This being has been reconstituted! How dare you! How dare you! We have observed all the petty rules of your forums; we have not flamed, or baited, or used appalling language, or wandered off-topic, or hijacked the discussion -- and what does WhaleCo do? What is their response to our politeness? They try to choke us with this -- this piece of pure, unadulterated SPAM!"

Spitting out an unharmed Felix Dzerzhinsky -- who was, indeed, resurrected earlier by mysterious scientific processes within his nation, and does, it must be admitted, look a bit pink, moist, flat and Spam-like after his sojourn in the belly of the whale -- the great cetacean extends his fins and rises majestically into the air, the subdued Felix, whom he has snatched up again, dangling from his mourh. With gentle swimming motions he re-enters the General Assembly through the accommodating window.

"I told them we were an evolved version, but would they listen?" he mutters in comradely fashion to the delegate from Delphinidae Tursiops. "Look at them, you'd think they'd never seen a whale fly before. How do they think we got here?"

Dropping Felix contemptuously at the feet of the General Secretary, he returns, with majestic dignity, to his tank, incidentally flattening squads of Destructor Bunnies with his tail.

"This whole circus was staged to distract the General Assembly," he intones. "I trust, however, that delegates will ignore these desperate stunts that WhaleCo is offering in place of argument and, instead, retain the only legislation that stands between my cousins and commercialised persecution. We do not wish to see them driven to the verge of extinction in order to come under the 'protection' of UNCoESB. Ban Whaling is not redundant; it is a specialised piece of legislation that protects the only species, other than humanity itself, that drives humans into a frenzy of blood-lust. Again I urge you, reject the repeal!"

I am in agreement with the Singer. Because there are no provisions in the UNCoESB for a complete ban on commercial whaling regardless of conservation status I fail to see how UNR #70 is unduly redundant.

But they aren't whales, so you're just reducing the argument to the absurd.
So it isn't okay to kill and eat humans because they aren't whales? How is that any less absurd?

there are no provisions in the UNCoESB for a complete ban on commercial whaling regardless of conservation statusI fail to see why whales are so important that they deserve more protection than every other species in existence.

We do not wish to see them driven to the verge of extinction in order to come under the 'protection' of UNCoESB. Ban Whaling is not redundant; it is a specialised piece of legislation that protects the only species, other than humanity itself, that drives humans into a frenzy of blood-lust. Again I urge you, reject the repeal!

If the representative has any problem with UNCoESB, that is definitely not a reason for rejecting the repeal. As we are seeing, UNCoESB is doing fine.

And let me ask a question for you: why should whales merit a specialized piece of legislation? Why not dolphins, vultures, head lice, or broccoli? Yes, my friends, BROCCOLI! Broccoli is a poor vegetable that had endured disgust and murder at the hands of humans for thousands of years. Don't you know that harvesting broccoli means beheading them? Yes, my friends, the broccoli that you eat is its head! For shame! What a murderous and barbaric way to kill a plant for human consumption! Broccoli harvesting must be banned now! We must not wait until broccoli becomes driven to the verge of extinction in order to come under the 'protection' of UNCoESB!
[/sarcasm]

Carolina Entelbucco
File Storage Cabinet Mender for the Nord-Brutlandese Delegation to the UN

Throughout this debate, both sides have admitted confusion over the current status of whales. UNCoESB is supposed to come into effect when it is found that a species is endangered; but how can it come into effect when, evidently, the "monitoring" that it was supposed to introduce has not been done?

Other creatures that are used for meat are monitored through farming or, in the case of fish, by seasonal comparison of the size of catches. Clearly, this is not done for whales, otherwise their status would be known.

Furthermore, the deaths of other creatures used for meat are generally subject to legislation to ensure that it is done humanely. To pursue a whale through hours of terror and then subject it to a lingering death by a motorised harpoon, as WhaleCo and its ilk do, is patently inhumane.

The resolution Ban Whaling addresses these issues. The resolution establishing UNCoESB does not. It is a general resolution, an attempt at covering animals whose numbers are depleted by a wide variety of causes that could include loss of habitat, encroaching urbanisation or chemical or atmospheric pollution.

While we would not wish to see these protections withdrawn from any species, Worldsong nonetheless maintains that they are inadeguate to deal with the systematic, concentrated, single-minded commercial slaughter to which whales are exposed. UNCoESB is good, but, for the protection of whales, Ban Whaling is better. There is no reason the two cannot co-exist. There is every reason the two should co-exist. They are not in competition, they are not incompatible, and neither makes the other redundant. We continue to oppose the repeal.

Throughout this debate, both sides have admitted confusion over the current status of whales. UNCoESB is supposed to come into effect when it is found that a species is endangered; but how can it come into effect when, evidently, the "monitoring" that it was supposed to introduce has not been done?

You also don't need Res#70 to monitor whether whales are endangered.

Furthermore, the deaths of other creatures used for meat are generally subject to legislation to ensure that it is done humanely. To pursue a whale through hours of terror and then subject it to a lingering death by a motorised harpoon, as WhaleCo and its ilk do, is patently inhumane.

The representative does a great deal of personification here. Nope, ad misericordiam arguments won't do. It's a logical fallacy.

While we would not wish to see these protections withdrawn from any species, Worldsong nonetheless maintains that they are inadeguate to deal with the systematic, concentrated, single-minded commercial slaughter to which whales are exposed.

Again, why not BROCCOLI? We have in our hands a situation in which systematic, concentrated, single-minded commercial slaughter to which broccoli are exposed to. Shall we not protect broccoli too?

The point is, why whales only? Why give them the special treatment than all other species in existence? Shall we not give special protection to dolphins, condors, pumas, giant squids, krill, plankton, baobabs, or BROCCOLI?

Carolina Entelbucco
File Storage Cabinet Mender for the Nord-Brutlandese Delegation to the UN

Vote against!

Hunting whales is inhuman!

Actually we did protect broccoli.
And tigers and coalas and eagles and flowers. Each of them according how they are endangered. There are different levels of protection. For broccoli we use chemicals to protect them against bugs and farming to grow. This is the protection broccoli needs to survive.
Only the last resort is complete ban. Unfortunately number of whales are too few to risk any other solution. Maybe humans are so stupid that even ban can not stop them killing the last whales but it is not enough reason to throw the towel in.
Believe me, there is complete hunting ban on many species not just whales. But whales live on international waters unless most of the animals that are near to extinction. International water (and the enormous territory whales use) is the speciality that requires international resolution.

One more thing: in RL resolution #119 is used by rich countries to
- enlarge committee by poor African countries without seacoast and no fishing industry
- and (miracle!) these African countries vote for free whaling (who knows why?)
So please nobody say to me that #119 protects whales. It is not.

AGAINST

I am in agreement with the Singer. Because there are no provisions in the UNCoESB for a complete ban on commercial whaling regardless of conservation status I fail to see how UNR #70 is unduly redundant.

I guess I have to explain it very slowly, again. Any whaling that threatens to reduce the populations to dangerous levels is outlawed by UNcoESb.

So it isn't okay to kill and eat humans because they aren't whales? How is that any less absurd?

You are arguing a logical fallacy. Whales =/= humans, so comparing them is absurd. Mme. Entelbucco makes an excellent point- why not compare broccoli and whales? What's so special about broccoli and whales?

What's wrong with eating whales?

Landaman Pendankr
Director of UN Affairs
Baron of Khaylamnian Samda

I fail to see why whales are so important that they deserve more protection than every other species in existence.
Then explain the human rights resolutions.

I am for the preservation of all wildlife and a complete ban on the commercial hunting of any species, cetacean or otherwise. But we aren't debating a ban on all commercial operations, are we?

I guess I have to explain it very slowly, again. Any whaling that threatens to reduce the populations to dangerous levels is outlawed by UNcoESb.

Is English your first language? I don't care how abundant they are. I'm arguing from a moral standpoint, not one of conservation.


What's wrong with eating whales?

Nothing, it is the commercial harvesting I object to. I believe I've said that several times.

Meanwhile, over in the kitchens.
"Cume-a oon peuple-a, vhere-a ere-a ve-a? Bork Bork Bork! " Sven yelled as he finished pan frying his meatballs.

"The chowder just needs to finish cooking," Roy replied.

"Guud, get sterted oon zee speece-a roob fur zee meeen cuoorse-a. Hoo ebuoot dessert? Bork Bork Bork! "

"The ice cream base is ready to be flavored, and the ice cream machine is standing by," answered Janet.

"OK, oonce-a zee ice-a creem is in zee choorn get sterted ooff zee seede-a deesh fur zee meeen cuoorse-a. Bork Bork Bork! "

"Way ahead of you on that one chef, the red beans and rice are already cooking away in the rice cooker."

"Elreeght, yuoo knoo, I theenk ve-a meeght joost veen thees. Ooff cuoorse-a, it luuks leeke-a zee Clooeechistuni cheff hesn't ifee sterted cuukeeng yet. Nut thet I'm cumpleeening, thet meuns less cumpeteeshun. Bork Bork Bork! "

I have a better idea: How about we just farm mentally deficient humans? Since they are oh so much less intelligent than us it would be acceptable, right?

Nice try, jackass. Nice to see you resorting to even more absurd arguments. I hope this means that either your arguments will eventually be funny or that you'll just shut the fuck up.

There is absolutely no valid argument in favor of whaling on a commercial scale.

Actually, there is. Whales are tasty.

Or is it the commercial aspect with which you have a problem? "OMGooses!!!eleven There's this evil company that wants to hunt whales for profit!"

Profit is the motivation for all business. If you've got a problem with that, well, you're just gonna gag on reality then, aren't you? I don't even have to tell you to go suck a whale dick.

Right. Unbanning whaling? How would YOU like to be deep fried and served with catsup?

Whale tastes better with hoisin sauce. Catsup is so white trash.

I fail to see why whales are so important that they deserve more protection than every other species in existence.

Because...because...well, shit. No reason really, unless I wanna rehash the asinine "they sing pretty" argument.

Vote against!

Hunting whales is inhuman!

Actually, it is human. What? You expect whales to hunt whales?

Then explain the human rights resolutions.

I am for the preservation of all wildlife and a complete ban on the commercial hunting of any species, cetacean or otherwise. But we aren't debating a ban on all commercial operations, are we?

Again with the "commercial" shite.

Is English your first language? I don't care how abundant they are. I'm arguing from a moral standpoint, not one of conservation.

You're arguing, if it can even be called that, from a whiny-bitch standpoint.

Nothing, it is the commercial harvesting I object to. I believe I've said that several times.

Yes, you have. Commercial, commercial, commercial. Yeah, not getting funny at all. You can shut the fuck up now.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

* Minister Gao takes a long drag on an unfiltered cigarette *

Sheikh Nadnerb, are you perchance suffering from withdrawal?

Benedictions,

* Minister Gao takes a long drag on an unfiltered cigarette *

Sheikh Nadnerb, are you perchance suffering from withdrawal?


OOC: Yeah, maybe, but I'd probably have responded the same way last week, when I wasn't trying to quit smoking. :p

*Felix and several of the ferocious little rabbits leap into the tank containing the First Singer. Using tarps and nylon cables they quickly construct a sort of sling around the beast. The cables are attached to a large mechanical arm on the Defenestratinator V.1 which is then maneuvered into position to launch the whale out the nearest window (it's a very large window).

*Nearby, a squad of Destructor Bunnies can be seen hurling the Delphinidae Tursiops delegation out a window. Felix climbs atop the whale.*

Comrade Bunnies, you may fire when ready, but first allow me to climb dow......

*Awaiting no further instructions, the Bunny in charge of operating the Defenestratinator moves a lever and with a belch of foul black smoke and a mighty groaning sound, it slingshots the First Singer, and Felix, out the window.*

*With a tremendous splash, they land in the Vastiva Memorial Reflecting Pool and disappear below the surface.*
*Seconds pass, then a minute. Suddenly, the whale appears on the surface with Felix mounted on its back. They battle ferociously for what seems an eternity (mostly Felix curses loudly in Russian while the whale tries to find a way to dislodge him). Finally, the whale manages to unseat Felix and closes in for the kill. Felix stares defiantly at the mighty cetacean. The whale circles once, pauses in front of Felix...*

*...and eats him.*

Dropping Felix contemptuously at the feet of the General Secretary, he returns, with majestic dignity, to his tank, incidentally flattening squads of Destructor Bunnies with his tail.

Sen Sulla walks over to the slightly dazed Felix with a bottle of Fine Yeldan Vodka(TM). He Shakes Felix's hand, and with tears on his eyes says,
"That, old boy, was one of the most beautiful defenestrations I have ever witnessed. Have some vodka for your nerves."
Sulla hands over the bottle. Then he reaches into his jacket pocket and removes the 10 One hundred Dollar Bills. He hands them graciously over to Iron Felix and says,
"I believe this is yours, old boy. You earned it."

OOC: Yeah, maybe, but I'd probably have responded the same way last week, when I wasn't trying to quit smoking.
Ok, still, maybe tone it down a bit?

The Blue Eyed Man looked around the General Assembly, thinking of the Flying Whales, Samurai Chefs, and squads of Destructor Bunnies he had just seen. Just another lovely day at the UN. He then took the podium.

Vote against!

Hunting whales is inhuman!

i believe you mean inhumane, because like Sheik bin Cluich said earlier it is very Human.

Then explain the human rights resolutions.

I am for the preservation of all wildlife and a complete ban on the commercial hunting of any species, cetacean or otherwise. But we aren't debating a ban on all commercial operations, are we?

Thank god we aren't or i'd be 100% against you, fishing could be considered commercialized hunting but i see few people against that. After reading over some of the more recent posts and arguments brought up by the delegates, Cookesland changes its position to "FOR" the repeal.
There is no known proof that whales in NSEarth are endangered and if they are, the UNCoESB goes into effect so the proposal is therefor redundant. Plus we can protect now them nder our national laws anyways.

The Blue Eyed Man
UN Ambassador
The United States of Cookesland

Ok, still, maybe tone it down a bit?

Pot/kettle much?

There is no known proof that whales in NSEarth are endangered and if they are the"If they are the" ... what? The suspense is killing me! :eek:

Nice try, jackass. Nice to see you resorting to even more absurd arguments. I hope this means that either your arguments will eventually be funny or that you'll just shut the fuck up.

Yeah, whereas all you seem to offer as support is "shut the fuck up." We're here to debate, not yell and scream like morons with cocks stuck deep in our collective asses.


Profit is the motivation for all business. If you've got a problem with that, well, you're just gonna gag on reality then, aren't you? I don't even have to tell you to go suck a whale dick.

No shit! I'm not opposing corporations or profit, but the way in which they go about it.

That bit about the whale dick (dork is the more appropriate term) is funny though. I'm a dolphin zoophile.


Again with the "commercial" shite.

It's so people don't confuse my stance on aboriginal whaling. I can understand how the common courtesy in such a consideration goes right over your head though.


You're arguing, if it can even be called that, from a whiny-bitch standpoint.

You're ranting from the aggro-douchebag standpoint.


Yes, you have. Commercial, commercial, commercial. Yeah, not getting funny at all. You can shut the fuck up now.

I believe you've told people to "shut the fuck up" at least as many times.

"If they are the" ... what? The suspense is killing me! :eek:

ooc: fixed lol My Computer froze, srry for the cut off ;)

There is absolutely no valid argument in favor of whaling on a commercial scale.Actually, there is. Whales are tasty.Human flesh is tasty as well. Your "argument" fails.

You are arguing a logical fallacy. Whales =/= humans, so comparing them is absurd.Odd. We certainly didn't see the sign saying "Humans only" when entering the building. And if we did we might've thought it referred to the menu in the Strangers Bar.

Yeah, whereas all you seem to offer as support is "shut the fuck up." We're here to debate, not yell and scream like morons with cocks stuck deep in our collective asses.


No shit! I'm not opposing corporations or profit, but the way in which they go about it.

That bit about the whale dick (dork is the more appropriate term) is funny though. I'm a dolphin zoophile.


It's so people don't confuse my stance on aboriginal whaling. I can understand how the common courtesy in such a consideration goes right over your head though.


You're ranting from the aggro-douchebag standpoint.


I believe you've told people to "shut the fuck up" at least as many times.
If this legislation passes, Ill tribute a whole harem of dolphins to you.

Spitting out an unharmed Felix Dzerzhinsky --

Dropping Felix contemptuously at the feet of the General Secretary,
Felix wanders aimlessly about the General Assembly, wet, pink and smelling of whale. He behaves as if he does not know exactly where he is, but there seems to be something...beatific about his appearance. A sort of glow evidencing an inner tranquility that was not present before.

Sulla hands over the bottle. Then he reaches into his jacket pocket and removes the 10 One hundred Dollar Bills. He hands them graciously over to Iron Felix and says,
"I believe this is yours, old boy. You earned it."
Thank you, Comrade Senator. The vodka I will drink, the money I will give as alms for the poor. I will now go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach the word of the LORD, which the LORD has given unto me.

And while I'm at it, I never thought the hysteria over this repeal would literally come to this:

OOC: No. If I had been equating anything to RL slavery I would have done so ooc, and at that point would have gone RL comparison all the way. Of course, RL slavery doesn't compare to hunting whales. But what happens 10, 20 years down the road and the research continues to show that cetaceans are our near-equals (but very different based on evolutionary path)? Will the record of our treatment of cetaceans still be "okay" because we thought they were "just" animals? And isn't that how slavery was justified?"A vote for this is a vote for slavery!!!! :eek:"

http://209.85.48.12/6802/45/emo/happy175%5B1%5D.gif

You're priceless, Rube.

*SMOOOCH*

We love you too, Kenny. http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/taunt002.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

*In a conference room off the main General Assembly hall, J. Milford Fairlington III is looking over some notes and just sitting down to a snack of whale-kabobs. His cell phone rings. He answers it.*

What's that? It sounded like you said "Felix has been eaten by a whale"?

Good lord! Is he alright?

Seems dazed? Well, wouldn't anybody?

Well, I don't know...tranquilize him or something. The man is a WhaleCo Partner, he single handedly runs our Westcom division, we can't have him wandering around raving like that.

Contact the Yeldans! I'll be right there.

Yeah, whereas all you seem to offer as support is "shut the fuck up." We're here to debate, not yell and scream like morons with cocks stuck deep in our collective asses.


No shit! I'm not opposing corporations or profit, but the way in which they go about it.

That bit about the whale dick (dork is the more appropriate term) is funny though. I'm a dolphin zoophile.


It's so people don't confuse my stance on aboriginal whaling. I can understand how the common courtesy in such a consideration goes right over your head though.


You're ranting from the aggro-douchebag standpoint.


I believe you've told people to "shut the fuck up" at least as many times.

Slavery was MY idea, don't claim it as your own. Enslave the whales! Do genetic testing!

OOC: ^^^anyone else thing this thread is starting to sail into dangerous waters and/or getting a little out of hand?

IC:

*The Blue Eyed Man gets up and walks over to Felix*

Umm...Felix you're going the wrong way Nineveh is that way *points in opposite direction*

Slavery was MY idea, don't claim it as your own. Enslave the whales! Do genetic testing!

We would observe that the Ambassador of Delphinidae Tursiops is being disingenious in his choice of comparisons by equating whale hunting with the consumption of mentally-deficient humans. Such is not comparing like with like; a whale has as much relationship to the First Singer of Worldsong as a mountain gorilla has to us. We certainly wouldn't attempt to take the moral high ground the honoured ambassador abuses should his nation farm gorillas for eating; unless of course the numbers of gorillas were at such levels that the provisions of UNCoESB precluded them!

Huh?

Then what does this proposal has of influnce on my empire? I´m certainly not hoping that this has caused my national-animal to be on the brink of extinction..

Huh?

Then what does this proposal has of influnce on my empire? I´m certainly not hoping that this has caused my national-animal to be on the brink of extinction..

Nope the choices you make on the everyday issues and the ones you made right before you founded your nation are the reasons your eagles teeter on the brink of extinction.

UN resolutions affect a nations Civil rights, Industry, Economy, and Political Freedoms and some other factors as well.


The Blue Eyed Man
UN Ambassador
The United States of Cookesland

i would much rather have more whales in the sea than on dinner plates, come on people tuna tastes better anyways, or have you tried halibut?

sincerly
obdu mognoshi
chief embassador of zeroina

Human flesh is tasty as well. Your "argument" fails.

[QUOTE]Odd. We certainly didn't see the sign saying "Humans only" when entering the building. And if we did we might've thought it referred to the menu in the Strangers Bar.

Well, duh. But ocmparing the eating of whales to the eating of humans is rather like comparing the eating of whales to the eating of broccoli, isn't it? One does not equal the other, so the example is just absurd.

But here I am, going on about absurd, when you equated whaling with slavery! How silly.

Landaman Pendankr
Director of UN Affairs
Baron of Khaylamnian Samda

Human flesh is tasty as well. Your "argument" fails.



Though that may be true, we have made mutual agreement with the humans. We don't eat them and they don't eat us. Currently, we have no such agreement with the whales.

Ilhoa is with most of the members of UN. Save the whales!!!

But ocmparing the eating of whales to the eating of humans is rather like comparing the eating of whales to the eating of broccoli, isn't it?If you failed 7th grade science, perhaps.
But here I am, going on about absurd, when you equated whaling with slavery! How silly.I equated the arguments used to justify the practices. Perhaps too subtle a difference for you. [/QUOTE]
Though that may be true, we have made mutual agreement with the humans. We don't eat them and they don't eat us. Currently, we have no such agreement with the whales.And an excellent solution. Alas, Rubinans have no such agreement with their distant hominid cousins and are far more likely to make such a preferential agreement with the whales. Luckily for most humans, meat that's been exposed to antibiotics is eschewed.
Ilhoa is with most of the members of UN. Save the whales!!!Alas, Ilhoa, you have come to the chamber too late. The voting has closed on this issue at this time.



--L.T.
Chewing tastefully on a wheatgrass and cucumber sandwich.

The resolution Repeal "Banning whaling" was passed 6,209 votes to 5,893. For anyone who didn't know.

The Blue Eyed Man
UN Ambassador
The United States of Cookesland

Lord Byron takes to the Rostrum...

"My esteemed colleagues, this result was one of common sense. Finally the UNCoESB is the one for all resolution it was meant to be. Finally the Executive can now set the quotas and restrictions on whaling in UN territories. Finally there is an end to the inefficiencies and a lower burden on our economies. Let us finnaly agree that the UNCoESB is now the resolution for conservation of all species.

Many have recognised this previously and failed to have a repeal of Banning Whaling pass and it is to my pleasant surprise that it has passed this time.
I want to thank Yelda for their previous efforts and support for the UNCoESB when it was floated as a simple idea to do away with the false economics of having a resolution for every single species. I wish to thank the Author of the Current repeal for doing what I couldnt, and I tried 3 times.

Tonight we proud Venerable libertarians celebrate and we do so by affording whales the status of National Importance in the Territorial Waters of Venerable libertarians and Templar Crusaders, as is our right under the terms of UNCoESB.

I thank you and good night."

Byron headed off to the strangers bar for a celebratory drink.

<snip>
The representative does a great deal of personification here. Nope, ad misericordiam arguments won't do. It's a logical fallacy.<snip>

Carolina Entelbucco
File Storage Cabinet Mender for the Nord-Brutlandese Delegation to the UN

MS Entelbucco should be grateful we didn't descend to ad hominem arguments. I would point out that we know what happened in a certain file-storage cabinet storeroom on February 14 last year, and the ramifications thereof.

She would have been better to pursue our argument to its logical conclusion. Given our concern with numbers, and our sorrow at the murderous methods employed, she might well have deduced that we would favour humane whale farming. Which, in fact, we would; having our cousins all in one place would make liberation raids so much easier to co-ordinate. (We favour broccoli farming for the same reason, and gladly co-operate with the sapient broccoli who save so many of their distant ancestors from the ghastly fate of ending up as a side-dish in one of Chef Sven's be-flibbled creations.)

In closing Worldsong's contribution to this debate, it is my pleasure to announce two decisions that the Pod has taken as a result of this vote.

First, we have accredited a corps of Observers whose diplomatic duty it will be to find, and swim with, all whale pods in international waters here. They have agreed to have the word "Observer" tattooed in fluorescent ink around their blowholes, so WhaleCo's crews will be able to avoid them when working. We are sure the nationcompany would not wish to spark any interstellar incidents by inadvertently harming an accredited diplomat of a peaceful nation. Our Observers will, of course, send us film of every encounter between whales and their hunters, footage which, I am sure, WhaleCo will be glad to use in its publicity campaigns to show the humanity and dignity with which its operatives approach their distasteful task.

Second, we would be deeply grateful if the delegate from Delphinidae Tursiops would accept the honorable and well-salaried post of Chancellor of the University of Worldsong. This would not entail any interruption of his national obligations, though we would be happy to arrange unlimited all-expenses-paid oversight visitations at his convenience -- the University is charmingly situated close to some of our lovelier vacation spots.

We make this offer on the basis of his valiant defence and spirited offence in support of Ban Whaling, with particular appreciation of his use of the folk etymology of the word "dork".

We have also conferred the Freedom of the Planet on the delegate from Rubina, and will approach her delegation in order to arrange a fully-funded tour in which she accepts the Keys to the Cities and is invested with the appropriate symbols of her respected status. Though I am sure she will modestly protest that she was only doing her job, she brings to it talents which, I am sure, will see her advance rapidly in her chosen metier.

Finally, may I express our nation's admiration for the dignified and restrained manner in which Mme Pejorative handled the inappropriate (though, I assure you, Madame, entirely understandable) passion our former First Speaker developed for her.

*The First (formerly Second) Speaker bows to Mme Pejorative, a difficult manoeuvre for a whale. It seems to some that his eyes linger inappropriately long on her divine form.*

Landaman Pendankr, waiting for the gigantic whale-beast to stop speaking, walks calmly up to the rostrum, takes his position, and proceeds to preen himself, adjusting his lapels, his cloak, and his beard.

Clearing his throat, he speaks.

"Ladies and gentlemen, creatures of myriad size and shape, beings of varied sentience, sapience, self-conciousness and intelligence, and you horrible dirty little gnomish bastards, I come before you to applaud the decision to repeal this monstrous legislation. My dear brother, who sits on the board at WhaleCo, has relayed to me his happiness over the vote."

He coughs.

"Nevertheless, creatures and such, I shall make my delegations' final points. To the First Singer of Worldsong, I have only these things: eeeeemaahammmmmmmmha-krikkrikkrikk, emmmmmaaaeaaaaaaeuouauouou-krikkrikkrikk. Oh, and any Worldsong "Observers" attempting to enter the Empire, howeverunlikelybecausewe'reafuckingintergalactictransdimensionalempire, will be harpooned and sold for food."

"With that, I invite ambassadors Moltan Bausch and bin Cluich, as well as comrade Dhzerzinsky, to join with me on the first legal UN whaling expedition!"

Pendankr hoists a large, spiny harpoon aloft, the light gleaming off the steel, several unnecessary barbs and points glinting devilishily.

Whooping, Pendankr leaps on top of the rostrum, hoists the harpoon aloft, and shouts:

"Give me a condor’s quill! Give me Vesuvius’ crater for an inkstand! Friends, hold my arms!"

Then, he hurts the harpoon into the air. All eyes turn toward it as it glides lide a paper airplane, and time seems to stand still as it curves downward... and buries itself right into the chest of a dozing Quequod Ishpeg Roosevelt III.

Silence as Pendankr stares, still in his battle-stance on the rostrum, and Roosevelt writes about, pinned to his chair by the huge spike, Rang Erman and Dr. al-Satal gaping at the blood pumpung onto the floor.

Very slowly, Pendankr gets down off of the rostrum, adjusts himself again, leans into the mike, and in a very low voice speaks.

"I yield the floor."

He walks very calmly to the exit, opens the door, and leaves the room, everyone still gaping at the transfixed survivalist, who at least has stopped writhing and bleeding.

Second, we would be deeply grateful if the delegate from Delphinidae Tursiops would accept the honorable and well-salaried post of Chancellor of the University of Worldsong. This would not entail any interruption of his national obligations, though we would be happy to arrange unlimited all-expenses-paid oversight visitations at his convenience -- the University is charmingly situated close to some of our lovelier vacation spots.

We make this offer on the basis of his valiant defence and spirited offence in support of Ban Whaling, with particular appreciation of his use of the folk etymology of the word "dork".

It would be my pleasure and a great privilege to accept your offer.

I invite the honorable Singer and his delegation to tour my humble nation as well. Though we may lack the more modern conveniences, our needs are met through cooperation with nature. I find the pristine beaches on the eastern coast quite appealing, and believe your party would enjoy a visit.

Landaman Pendankr, waiting for the gigantic whale-beast to stop speaking, walks calmly up to the rostrum, takes his position, and proceeds to preen himself, adjusting his lapels, his cloak, and his beard.

Clearing his throat, he speaks.

"Ladies and gentlemen, creatures of myriad size and shape, beings of varied sentience, sapience, self-conciousness and intelligence, and you horrible dirty little gnomish bastards, I come before you to applaud the decision to repeal this monstrous legislation. My dear brother, who sits on the board at WhaleCo, has relayed to me his happiness over the vote."

He coughs.

"Nevertheless, creatures and such, I shall make my delegations' final points. To the First Singer of Worldsong, I have only these things: eeeeemaahammmmmmmmha-krikkrikkrikk, emmmmmaaaeaaaaaaeuouauouou-krikkrikkrikk. Oh, and any Worldsong "Observers" attempting to enter the Empire, howeverunlikelybecausewe'reafuckingintergalactictransdimensionalempire, will be harpooned and sold for food."

"With that, I invite ambassadors Moltan Bausch and bin Cluich, as well as comrade Dhzerzinsky, to join with me on the first legal UN whaling expedition!"

Pendankr hoists a large, spiny harpoon aloft, the light gleaming off the steel, several unnecessary barbs and points glinting devilishily.

Whooping, Pendankr leaps on top of the rostrum, hoists the harpoon aloft, and shouts:

"Give me a condor’s quill! Give me Vesuvius’ crater for an inkstand! Friends, hold my arms!"

Then, he hurts the harpoon into the air. All eyes turn toward it as it glides lide a paper airplane, and time seems to stand still as it curves downward... and buries itself right into the chest of a dozing Quequod Ishpeg Roosevelt III.

Silence as Pendankr stares, still in his battle-stance on the rostrum, and Roosevelt writes about, pinned to his chair by the huge spike, Rang Erman and Dr. al-Satal gaping at the blood pumpung onto the floor.

Very slowly, Pendankr gets down off of the rostrum, adjusts himself again, leans into the mike, and in a very low voice speaks.

"I yield the floor."

He walks very calmly to the exit, opens the door, and leaves the room, everyone still gaping at the transfixed survivalist, who at least has stopped writhing and bleeding.

The Blue Eyed Man got up from his seat so that he could see the stricken figure of Quequod Ishpeg Roosevelt III. The General Assembly had gone into an uproar.

He laughed to himself, for the irony was so sickening it was funny. "Where are all our UN Doctors at?" was all that he said.

Ilhoa is with most of the members of UN. Save the whales!!!
Apparently you're not with most of the members of the UN as most of them have said, "Let them eat whale."

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

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Sven hurriedly took the whale steak off the grill, sliced it and arranged it on the plate alongside the red beans and rice. Then he quickly dished up a bowl of his whale chowder, and threw a couple of scoops of his blubber ice cream into a dish.

"Ledeees und Gentlemee, elloo me-a tu present tu yuoo my deeshes. Furst ooffff is oone-a ooff my seegnetoore-a deeshes, Svedeesh Meetbells fur vheech I repleced my usooel meex ooff gruoond beeff und gruoond purk fur gruoond vhele-a, vheech I gruoond myselff tu insoore-a thet it ves tup qooeleety meet. My suoop cuoorse-a is Vhele-a Chooder, I seered choonks ooff vhele-a meet, zeen sveeted ooneeuns und putetues beffure-a eddeeng zeem tu a brut ooff vhele-a stuck und heefy creem. Zee meeen cuoorse-a is a Bleckened Cejoon Vhele-a Steek greelled medeeoom rere-a, serfed veet oo joos veet joost a heent ooff bloobber edded und a seede-a ooff red beuns und reece-a. Feenelly fur dessert, Bloobber Ice-a Creem, it's a beseec ice-a creem bese-a thet I'fe-a flefured veet vhele-a bloobber. Bun eppeteete-a! Bork Bork Bork! "

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OOC: ^^^anyone else thing this thread is starting to sail into dangerous waters and/or getting a little out of hand?OOC: A little out of hand? This thread has had a cooking competition, a whale defenestration, hysterical delegates... this has been the most entertaining debate thread in recent memory.

The poll clearly shows that a majority of governments reject a repeal of the ban on whaling. The UN's casual disregard for the stated wishes of the majority, to please a corrupt minority cannot be dismissed. Dakaristan withdraws from the United Nations effective immediately. Any whaling vessels found inside our territorial waters will be seized, and the crews arrested. :upyours:

The poll clearly shows that a majority of governments reject a repeal of the ban on whaling.No, the poll shows that a majority of people voting on the forum reject the Repeal. Count the total votes, and then compare it to the number of UN nations...

The UN's casual disregard for the stated wishes of the majority, to please a corrupt minority cannot be dismissed."Corrupt"? OMG NOEZ! TEHY HAX TEH GAEM!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/Tindalos/Silly%20Things/normal_haxorpc.jpg

Dakaristan withdraws from the United Nations effective immediately.You will be missed, I'm sure.

Any whaling vessels found inside our territorial waters will be seized, and the crews arrested. <stupid emoticon snipped>And why would they be whaling in your territorial waters anyway?

Dakaristan withdraws from the United Nations effective immediately.

I'd bagsy your office, but my contacts inside the UN Building Management tell me that you don't have one.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

We do have whales off the Atlantic African coast, you know? And our territorial waters extend 12-miles from the shoreline.

As for our office, we never had one. Do you know how much a room that size rents for in New York? We're Dakaristan, not Italy or France. We have enough people to play footie, and that's about it. Our Navy is comprised of my wife's brothers and extended family. We don't have ships. We have boogie boards (donated by the South Africans). Weapons? Used paintball guns. Don't piss us off, or you'll get a nasty bruise or two.

:mp5:

*Chef Ito watches in admiration as Chef Sven finishes his presentation*

I am pleased to have battled such an honorable and worthy opponent. Chef Sven has assembled a formidable array of dishes.

Chef Tony Ito
Director of Culinary Research Institute

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*Captain Thomas Grayson utters random profanities and spits tobacco juice*

Can I git back t' my whalin' now?

Cap'n Tom

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*J. Milford Fairlington III shuffles some papers, rises, adjusts his tie and approaches the podium*

Well it seems that we have brought this matter to a successful conclusion. On behalf of the WhaleCo Partners I extend a warm thank you to all of those who supported the repeal. To our opponents, I tip my hat as well. You put up a good fight and nearly carried the day.

J. Milford Fairlington III
Chief Legal Counsel
WhaleCo Global LLC

*Fairlington scans the room and mutters under his breath "where the hell is Felix?"*

*finally he spots him*

Oh shit.

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*Felix Dzerzhinsky is dressed in a robe and sitting atop a desk, strumming a guitar. He is surrounded by 12 Robotic Destructor Bunnies, similarly attired. He is singing.*

.....need no church house
And you don't need no Temple
You don't need no rosary beads or them books to read
To see that you have fallen
If you open up your heart
You will know what I mean
We've been kept down so long
Someone's thinking that we're all green

And while the Pope owns 51% of General Motors
And the stock exchange is the only thing he's qualified to quote us
The Lord is awaiting on you all to awaken and see
By chanting the names of The Lord and you'll be free..

*A lone Yeldan CSS agent approaches and draws a tranquilizer pistol*

Forgive me, Comrade.

*He fires a dart into Felix's neck, who then falls over, unconscious*

*the nearest Bunny looks up at the agent with what appears to be a tear in its eye, and says "CAG?"*

It's alright, little one. He's only sleeping.

Comrade Bunnies! Take Felix outside and place him in the People's Limousine. He is ill from too much vodka and needs time to convalesce.

OOC: A little out of hand? This thread has had a cooking competition, a whale defenestration, hysterical delegates... this has been the most entertaining debate thread in recent memory.

And, don't forget, a suicide, a call to passive resistance by an entire species, a great (though unrealised) love affair, what looks like -- at this stage -- a case of manslaughter, the discovery of the sapient Broccoli and the Epiphany of Felix Dzerzhinsky.

Plus, of course, the usual career changes for delegates whose good hearts put them out of line with their governments, and the discovery of the weakness of others who, it seems to me, allowed personal interest -- such as a devotion to hunting, eh, Prince Rhodri? -- to overcome their natural kindness.

*consults his notes*

Ah, yes ...

To the First Singer of Worldsong, I have only these things: eeeeemaahammmmmmmmha-krikkrikkrikk, emmmmmaaaeaaaaaaeuouauouou-krikkrikkrikk.

As to the gratuitous insults of Landaman Pendankr, whose hand on the diplomatic tiller seems to have been a bit shaky, I can only say (1) You'll get yours and (2) So's your old lady.

However, it has no doubt been as great a learning experience for other delegates as it has been for me, including the revelation for some of us of the existence of the Multiverse, which allows whales to swim in whatever seas they choose, provided a nation exists to spot them.

And my particular thanks to J. Milford Fairlington III, whose curmudgeonly revelation of some insignificant figures nevertheless proved that the purses of WhaleCo are almost as deep as my people's sorrow at this outcome.


EDIT: OMG! I just realised -- I replied IC to an OOC comment! Please don't let the RP Police get me! Please! I'll never do it ag

Plus, of course, the usual career changes for delegates whose good hearts put them out of line with their governments, and the discovery of the weakness of others who, it seems to me, allowed personal interest -- such as a devotion to hunting, eh, Prince Rhodri? -- to overcome their natural kindness.
It is true that we are being required to return to Dinas Gobbannium for more general Senedd scrutiny meetings than can conveniently be held in our offices here, despite the excellent teleconferencing facilities that Building Management have promised us. However, convinced as we are of the rightness of our position, we fully expect to return to these chambers in a short while with unblemish record.

In the mean time, according to the rules, procedures and resolutions of this place, we would like to introduce the assembly to our nominated temporary delegate, Ifan ap Rhys, Steward of the Throne of Segontium. We hope that you will treat him kindly and forgive his foibles -- he is a duly-elected politician after all -- and look forward to the amusement of scrutinising his activities for once on our return.

OOC: A little out of hand? This thread has had a cooking competition, a whale defenestration, hysterical delegates... this has been the most entertaining debate thread in recent memory.

OOC: Guess you're right, i just thought the person going on about Whale Bestiality was a little over the top.

IC: "Let's see, this thread has had a cooking competition, a whale defenestration, hysterical delegates, And, don't forget, a suicide, a call to passive resistance by an entire species, a great (though unrealised) love affair, what looks like -- at this stage -- a case of manslaughter, the discovery of the sapient Broccoli and the Epiphany of Felix Dzerzhinsky and......hey who won the Cooking competion?"

As for our office, we never had one. Do you know how much a room that size rents for in New York?New York? Where the hell is that?

William Smithers
Senior VP
UN Building Management

OOC: NS=/=RL, our building is not in New York.

New York? Where the hell is that?

William Smithers
Senior VP
UN Building Management

OOC: NS=/=RL, our building is not in New York.

Where is the NSUN building anyways?

The Blue Eyed Man
UN Ambassador

Where is the NSUN building anyways?

The Blue Eyed Man
UN Ambassador

Neutral territory, and that's all that you need to know.

William Smithers
Senior VP
UN Building Management

Neutral territory, and that's all that you need to know.

William Smithers
Senior VP
UN Building Management

Works for me

The Blue Eyed Man
UN Ambassador

Ironic that this came up less than 12 hours after passage of this repeal ...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/frisbeeteria/UN/dead_whale.jpg

What's even funnier is that he hasn't logged in for 12 days, so it's in no way planned or designed.

Neutral territory, and that's all that you need to know.
OOC: I've always imagined that it's located in a big city, but I try not to think about which city.

If someone asked me where the UN Building was, I'd say "downtown".

"Uh, which downtown?"

"Over there."

"Huh?"

"Go down 10 blocks and hang a left, you can't miss it."

We've RPed it having parking lots and lakes and whatnot, so I guess it sets in a sort of compound. A park-like setting I would imagine. The Yeldan bunker is across the street, but I've never specified how far away "across the street" is.

*For Publication*
07 May 2007

Today at 18:05 GMT, Moksha Basileus, The Doge of The Realm of The Realm announced a new National Technology Initiative at the conclave of the Ministry of Models and Methods in Cachet, the north coast capital city.

"We have a much storied level of cooperation with the greatest players in the Information Technology industry, and every one of the Top 5000 technology firms sends their employees and agents and consultants here to learn how to use and/or sell what they make. In partnership with these incredibly innovative firms and nations, effective immediately it will be a feature of our national industrial policy to invest in research and development to arm all whales with smart sub-surface-to-surface weapons that we fully expect to curtail all whaling within ten years," Basileus announced.

"Who needs a ban?" he asked the conclave. "One of my favorite graffiti wall sayings from my youth was 'You can't rape a .38'" he reminisced. "Here, in The Realm of The Realm, the vast majority of women carry concealed handguns, and can use them. There hasn't been a successful rape here in months, as opposed to once every three minutes in some 'exemplary' world powers."

"Let's see those f**kers harpoon a whale when they're trying to dodge the incoming" he laughed. "There will be a universal license to use any patented technology freely as long as a portion of all commercial profits goes to support arming and maintaining the defensive capacity of whales."

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For more information contact Evlan Seanshou, Minister of Models and Methods