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Repeal "End slavery"
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution


Category: Repeal
Resolution: #6
Proposed by: Ketchonia

Description: UN Resolution #6: End slavery (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Significant) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: This resolution is an abomination. It only pacifies the need for an extensive overhaul of our political process. Our people have no basic Civil rights. No universal minimum wage is contained in the language of this bill. The resolution contains nothing in its framework which would punish those who practice slavery. nor does the reolution condemn those countries which practice slavery in spite of UN mandate. This reolution...

Angers me due to no mention of civil rights.

Upholds no standards for the treatment of former slaves.

Is more of an employee rights resolution than one to repeal slavery.

Ignores the need to punish those countries which still practice slavery.



I believe the resolution should be:

1) repealed
2) re-written

A new resolution should be created by a committee made up of volunteer delegates from UN member countries. The new resolution/s should contain language that:

1) estblishes a strict punishment for those who practices enslavement of its own people.
2) Create a police for that would regulate the enslavement of P.O.W's and illegal aliens.
3) bring to attention a need for a civil rights act
4) bring to attention the need for a workers rights resolution which should contain language giving all expecting mothers the right to maternity leave.
5) define what it means to be an illegal immigrant, and what punishment will be given for such criminal activity.
6) give citizens from countries that have been ravaged by invasion or rebellion refugee status.
7) bring to attention the need for strict illegal immigration policy that would allow countries to enslave illegal aliens for the intentions of strengthening immigration laws and making people think twice before illegally entering a country. While including language that would prohibit the enslavement of those given refugee status by the UN. This new resolution would also give a time frame for which a refugee would be able to become a citizen. if the refugee did not apply for citizenship within the permitted amount of time then that refugee would become an illegal alien and lose all rights in that said territory.



Approvals: 0

Status: Lacking Support (requires 112 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Sun Apr 15 2007

A couple of quick notes:

-UN proposals belong here in the UN forum, not General from whence I towed it.

-Your proposal, while not completely hopeless, certainly needs some work, but fortunately you're in a place where there are plenty of folks who know what needs to be improved and why.

Enjoy your forum experience.

NationStates Forum Moderator
HotRodia

I've also killed the copies you posted in NationStates, International Incidents, and Got Issues. I'm not quite clear how you hit the four forums that have nothing to do with the UN, while missing the United Nations, but there ya go.

Keep it here in future, please.

-Your proposal, while not completely hopeless, certainly needs some work, but fortunately you're in a place where there are plenty of folks who know what needs to be improved and why.

And the first change that needs to be made is to actually submit it as a repeal, which you didn't.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

Before I start, I should note that the resolution, "End Slavery", while never actually addressing slavery is amazingly effective in numerous other issues - a reason why it hasn't seen much in the way of efforts to repeal it.

It is also worth noting that it deals with numerous points surrounding slavery including:
1) Making trade of human beings illegal
2) Giving people the right to leave their job with 2 weeks notice
3) The right to not be abused by one's employer

While the latter two can be ducked by member nations through the varying rules lawyering, these are effective things and do have the capacity to effectively remove slavery. Unless a person can capture people every second week, get them to work without beating them, and let them walk away after two weeks, they will still find slavery profitable. However, I think it would be fair to say that most would not find such stringent requirements actually impeding their capacity to operate.

Anyways, for reference

The scourge of slavery yet remains in these progressive times. People are bought and sold like cattle, unable to determine their destiny. Their families are split apart; they are allowed no possessions of their own. They are beaten, chained, and tortured.

Therefore, I propose that the following human rights be given to every peoples of this great world:

- The right to leave her or his job, given two weeks' notice.
- The right to own possessions.
- The right to travel freely throughout their country.
- The right to bodily safety from one's employer.
- The outlawing of the selling or purchasing of people.

Humorously, the last point was (poorly) reimplemented by a different resolution (UNR #68) and the second last may have been reimplemented. Regardless, the fact that slavery is not, actually, directly addressed, pushing through a proposal that actually DOES ban Slavery would actually not be, necessarily, illegal due to contradiction. The fact that this resolution DOES have useful points, does provide some excellent human rights that should be protected, I can't support a repeal that limits itself to the author being too stupid to do what his proposal did. Now, if there was a problem with one of those elements or if it was actually preventing a good proposal from being deemed legal, I might reconsider. However, it doesn't.

That in mind, let us revieew your proposal just in case you do wish to submit this repeal.

Repeal "End slavery"
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution


Category: Repeal
Resolution: #6
Proposed by: Ketchonia

Description: UN Resolution #6: End slavery (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Significant) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: This resolution is an abomination.

It's actually one of the best of the first 10 resolutions ever passed. Wrong name aside, it's actually a very good resolution, very effective and very simple. It doesn't come close to matching the complex and extensive resolutions we have today, but it is hardly an abomination

It only pacifies the need for an extensive overhaul of our political process.

Not as much as you'd think. As you, later, correctly point out, it does a lot for worker rights which isn't really a pacification.

Our people have no basic Civil rights.

Yes you do. There are 200 other resolutions that have slowly built up our civil rights.

No universal minimum wage is contained in the language of this bill.

Nor is it prevented by this bill. I can recall two different (badly failed) attempts at a Universal Minimum Wage but nothing ever really came about from it. No one was able to figure out a good formula for it.

The resolution contains nothing in its framework which would punish those who practice slavery.

Nor is it any longer within the UN's jurisdiction to decide such thanks to the passage of UNR #180 which leaves the jurisdiction of sentencing to the individual nations rather than the UN General Assembly.

nor does the reolution condemn those countries which practice slavery in spite of UN mandate. This reolution...

Because compliance is mandatory. If you are referring to non-UN members being punished, I do not believe that such a proposal can be passed in the current climate of the UN. Slavery is tolerated outside of the UN because, unfortunately, it is convenient for the sake of trade agreements. Whether it is tolerated within the UN lies upon whether we actually pass a resolution banning slavery.

Angers me due to no mention of civil rights.

It doesn't have to - it provides them without saying "civil rights". The fact that it gives:

- The right to leave her or his job, given two weeks' notice.
- The right to own possessions.
- The right to travel freely throughout their country.
- The right to bodily safety from one's employer.
- The outlawing of the selling or purchasing of people.

means that it does indeed give civil rights - those civil rights, as it just so happens.

Upholds no standards for the treatment of former slaves.

Racism is dealt with in other resolutions - or were you looking for something else?

Is more of an employee rights resolution than one to repeal slavery.

Correct which is why you need to find arguments against those problems first. It doesn't prevent us from banning slavery.

Ignores the need to punish those countries which still practice slavery.

Which I'm not sure can be done

Calm down, back away, think about what can still be done without repealing this resolution, come back, and start working on an actual slavery ban.

I believe the resolution should be:

1) repealed
2) re-written

I believe that the hole in our legislation should be filled and I see no reason to repeal UNR #6 to achieve that goal.

A new resolution should be created by a committee made up of volunteer delegates from UN member countries.

Nay. That's not how it works. YOU make a proposal, or YOU form the committee or YOU gather the delegates to start the think tank going. The members around you will help you flesh it out and turn it into a real proposal worth being a resolution.

The new resolution/s should contain language that:

1) estblishes a strict punishment for those who practices enslavement of its own people.

Not possible under UNR #180

2) Create a police for that would regulate the enslavement of P.O.W's and illegal aliens.

Illegal due to rules of UN army/police

3) bring to attention a need for a civil rights act

Exists. UNR #26: Universal Human Rights

4) bring to attention the need for a workers rights resolution which should contain language giving all expecting mothers the right to maternity leave.

The former has existed and been repealed multiple times. I can't remember if it's in place or not. As for maternity leave, I'm not aware of whether there are regulations currently enforcing that or not.

5) define what it means to be an illegal immigrant, and what punishment will be given for such criminal activity.

Dude, this is a civil rights debate, not an illegal alien debate. Illegal immigrant actions are
A) not frowned upon by all nations. Many nations welcome immigrants who slipped under the radar so long as they have no criminal record.
B) a Moral Decency proposal which is NOT a civil rights issue.

6) give citizens from countries that have been ravaged by invasion or rebellion refugee status.

I think something about refugees has been done, but I can't remember.

7) bring to attention the need for strict illegal immigration policy that would allow countries to enslave illegal aliens for the intentions of strengthening immigration laws and making people think twice before illegally entering a country. While including language that would prohibit the enslavement of those given refugee status by the UN. This new resolution would also give a time frame for which a refugee would be able to become a citizen. if the refugee did not apply for citizenship within the permitted amount of time then that refugee would become an illegal alien and lose all rights in that said territory.

Ok......I'm not even touching that. Would someone with tongs deal with that one....

BTW - I'm fairly sure that's illegal.

Approvals: 0

Good

Ok, I've got to ask.

When did illegal immigrants stop being human beings (multi-species arguments aside)? You call for the need for civil rights because slavery is outrageous, but you will gladly enslave illegal immigrants? Why? Why are you so angry at them as to actually call for them being slaves when you kick off your entire discussion from the position that slavery is bad?

And the first change that needs to be made is to actually submit it as a repeal, which you didn't.

Actually, he did that first. I removed it for 'proposing new law in a repeal', and then he reposted it as Human Rights, which I also just removed. I think there's at least one more version up there, but I'm too tired to deal with it.

Ketchonia, please stop posting new variants to the submissions queue and get some feedback here, 'k?

I'm fairly sure that you aren't allowed to enslave PoWs, under the Wolfish Convention. That's another strike against.