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I have created a proposal to the United Nations.

If you would like to read it search "optional" under list proposals.

If you like it go ahead and approve it. If you don't, go ahead and compain now because I know you will.

Optional Nudity
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: The Superior States

Description: THE UNITED NATIONS,

DECLARING that nudity is a normal condition that has prevailed throughout most of mankind's existence, and

STRESSING that clothing is often pointless and useless, and

CONCERNED that giving men the right to display their chests in public while removing this right from women is not acceptable in our world where both sexes should be equal, and

CONFIDENT that if optional nudity was allowed thousands of millions of people would be able to be more comfortable and display the beauty of the human body every day;

DECLARES that all people of the world regardless of race, sex, or age have the right to be nude, and

DECLARES that no government of organization in the world can take this right away from the people, and

WELCOMES all people of the world to be nude.

think it's already been listed, if im not mistaken in the Silly and/or Illegal Proposals thread

The Blue Eyed Man
Cookeslandic UN Delegate

I proposed it, but it was deleated due to refrences to ancient greece and rome,
so i fixed it and reposted it.

We cannot support this resolution. This is odd and ironic given our general liberal attitude towards public nudity. But that's our attitude and I can see other nations having a perfect right to have a different attitude. Personally I think that having an arbitrary standard is clearly wrong. On the other hand I can see some people have a reasonable objection to largess and excess. It might be reasonable to have restrictions based on breast size or waist size, for example. But this should be a nation's choice.

I'm concerned about this proposal, as the culture in my nation is a very modest one, and forcing us, and other states like mine, to accept your levels of morality, is inviting conflict.

I can easily think of cultures that believe-due to religious reasons-that women should remain entirely covered so as to no evoke sexual aggressions in males.

While my nation is fiercly feminist, we cannot justify a position that would seek to impose our culture upon another. Animosity is not the way to build a better international community.

Also, although my nation is fiercly feminist, and most of the leaders of my country including myself are females, we see the clear distinction in the biological development between males and females, and accept that many people in our culture ascribe very strong sexual attitudes towards the mammary glands of the female gender.

Stating that they are solely for the benefit of the offspring and not a sexualized part of the female anatomy does not change the attitudes of men, and other women alike. If a culture ascribes sexual value to a particular feature of the body, no legislation will change that!

So now your planning to discriminate who is allowed to be nude in public based on the size of their genitals?

That was posted by someone else and not the author of the proposal.

This seems like a strange thing to make a proposal about. If a person whats to be naked they can do so in their own homes. If a person wants to be naked and go about their daily life they should join a nudest colony or something. People shouldnt have the right to go out in public naked if it isnt acceptable in the society in which they live. At that point it becomes more of an infringement on the rights of the masses than a celebration of that individuals right.

But why must one leave their life and live in a nudest colony just so that they could simply not wear clothes? This proposal simply gives people the chance to continue their lives and do it the way they want. They will get to not wear clothes without effecting their lives or anyone elses lives.

Just because people want to do something doesnt mean they should have the right to. People have been having sex since the dawn of time and they love to do it but that doesnt mean they should be allowed to ride where ever they wish. Just because one person wants it, compared to the many that dont, doesnt mean they should get it.

I want to know why this is a Human Right, and moreso, why anything 'optional' is a STRONG Human Rights proposal. This is mild at best ('weak' would be a better choice if it were offered), and already covered in national issues.

What other reason is the United Nations here then to protect the needs and wants of the people of the world?! It is the many of the world that need this right! You will see when the entire population of the world, except for a couple hundred people, show up naked when this is passed!

This is the RIGHT for people to not wear clothing. All RIGHTS are optional, as I have never heard of a mandatory right. You are not required to have a gun, you are given the choice to. You are not required to say whatever you want, you are given the choice to. You are not required to not wear clothes, you are given the choice to. What other right could be considered STRONG if not giving the entire world the choice to not wear clothing?! Is it not the United Nations' job to make sure that the nations of the world are giving citizens their rights?!

I say, approve this propsal and let the leaders of the world decide!

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I say, approve this propsal and let the leaders of the world decide!


they already can decide without joining the UN

I say, approve this propsal and let the leaders of the world decide!

"The leaders of the world are the very people who cannot decide under this proposal.

"While we have no strong personal opinions on the matter--"

Ambassador Prince Rhodri is interrupted by his permanant undersecretary whispering something in his ear. He goes rather green; Cerys looks smug.

"While we have few personal opinions of an entirely aesthetic nature, it is the position of our government that public nudity is not a right we wish to give to our citizenry."

I meant let the nations vote if this proposal should be passed.

I meant let the nations vote if this proposal should be passed.

Indeed, but you cloaked it in an entirely different populist call to arms, and we thought it advisable to challenge you on it before that incorrect image was allowed to dominate.

For the information of delegates, we are told that should this proposal pass into law and the honoured representative of the Superior States' vision of a predominantly naked populace comes into being, there need be no cause for alarm. Our enterprising young intern is apparently in discussions with Building Services to ensure an adequate supply of sporks.

I meant let the nations vote if this proposal should be passed.

Then so let each nation chose the appropriateness of this matter for themselves.

Mandating that each country grant the right of all people to be nude at all times is stepping entirely outside of the scope of what this nation feels the purpose of the UN is.

We cannot see this as a fundamental right of all humans (or other sentient beings) and again reiterate that forcing your moralities upon us offend our people.

and... and... JUST PUT SOME CLOTHES ON, PLEASE! IT IS SO DISTRACTING TO HAVE YOU NAKED RIGHT NOW!

I say, approve this propsal and let the leaders of the world decide!

Yes, that's a rather common attitude amongst first time proposal writers, but that's not how it really works. The first people you need to convince are the UN Delegates, often represented in this forum. Hyperbole won't win them over. You need solid reasoning and decent facts.

Second, you have to convince the mods that it's legal. Right now, it's looking a lot like a strength violation, which is adequate cause for removal. We try not to use that one very often, and give you ample opportunity to sell your concept ... but you're not doing much selling.

The strength of a proposal is commensurate to its effect on the people of NationStates. Ending Slavery (Res #6) was Human Rights / Strong. So was The Universal Bill of Rights (#26). Are you claiming that the right of a woman to take off her shirt is equivalent to freedom of worship, of bondage, of expression, of assembly, or of the presumption of innocence rather than guilt?

I'm sorry, but I'm not buying it. Sell me.

The first people you need to convince are the UN Delegates, often represented in this forum.

And speaking as a Delegate I can tell you that my impression of this idea is that it's stupid and not worth the UN's time.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

I wholeheartedly support this proposal.

I mean, COME ON. The right to go NAKED!

ATTENTION UN DELEGATES: STREAKING PARTY TONIGHT AT 8 AT MY PALACE B.Y.O.B. AND BE SURE TO VOTE YES

Saucy Jack
Sexiest Man Alive
High Sultan of Pathetic Romantics

Our nation believes that simply allowing the people of the world the choice of nudity will bring much more satisfaction and prosperity to the world. The human body is a beautiful thing (at least to our minds) and people should have the right so display it. Not only will this let the people be more confortable but it will also increase productivity. We believe that the majority of the people of your nations would like to live in a nude world, but they are afraid to admit it. This proposal will give the people who feel this way the choice to do so.

Our nation believes that this proposal is absolutly legal. The last version of this proposal was deleated as it had RL references, but now that it has been edited we believe that it wont be deleated again. Not only is this the right of a woman to take off her shirt, but this is the right of thousands of millions of people to wear absolutly no clothing every day. It will completly change the world we live in today where life is centered around forced privacy. It will make the world a much more prosperous and pleasureful place. It is the freedom of happiness!

Our nation believes that this proposal is worth the United Nation's time as what else should the United Nation do then to improve this lives of the people of the world. Once all of our needs such as safety and food have been taken care of it is time to take care some of our wants. Our lives are short and should be enjoyed to the fullest. Letting thousands of millions of people enjoy their lives more every day is definitly worth the time of the United Nations.

All RIGHTS are optional, as I have never heard of a mandatory right.
If it's optional, it ain't a right.

What you seem to be confusing are rights, and the exercising thereof.

In Emen Un, we have a thing called the 'right to be recognised as part of your family'. (It's not something usually recognised as a basic right by other nations, but it is central to the way Emen Un works). As a family member of Ennuk, I have the right to attach myself to official functions for the Ennuk family. As part of the Ennuk family, I then have the right to attach myself to official functions of the Banking Guild, and even to speak on behalf of the Banking Guild on occasion (particularly when people start proposing setting up a UN Bank).

However, I often choose not to do so. This isn't denying my right, it is not exercising it. Just because I do not exercise that right, doesn't mean I don't have that right.

As my full signature shows below, I also have the right to be recognised for tertiary study, and the right to be recognised for my employment. (While these may seem uncontroversial, and not even rights, in many countries, they are absolutely essential to the function of Emen Un as a state.)

~ Sebastian Ennuk
UN Representative for Emen Un
Member of the Banking Guild, Ennuk Clan
Member of the Graduate Union of the New University of Un (NUU), Institute of Languages and Linguistics
Member of the Association of Public Servants (APS), External Affairs Bureau

Ya know, I'm all for nudity (they don't make clothes in my size), but I'm just not seeing how it's a right*, or how it possibly reaches the level of "strong".

* I don't put much faith in the concept of "rights" to begin with, but that's beside the point here.


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Vermithrax Pejorative
UN Observer
The Federated Technocratic Oligarchy of the Most Glorious Hack

Me and the rest of the European Islands' government will decide if people will walk in our streets naked, not the United Nations. Strongly opposed to this proposal. Public nudity is frowned upon in our country, and police officers have permission to place the person under arrest if he or she leaves their house exposed and refuses to return to cloth themselves.. We call it, "streaking" and it's frowned upon. If this proposal was passed, I would surely leave the United Nations.

Joseph Arnarson, President and Ambassador of the European Islands, 2007

Hmph. I don't see a need for this resolution. In my humble opinion, whether or not citizens have the right to "feel the breeze between their knees" isn't something that requires action on the part of the UN. Leave it up to the individual nations to decide.

Unfortunately, it rarely gets too far above freezing in our nation of Aduross, and as such no one there in their right mind would exercise this right anyway.

~
Nils Kiravot Nitsere Werit Nevilk Kliventire Werestin Tovarikslin
Ambassador of the Nation of Aduross

If you are a neodog like myself, you will find most humans when they are naked to not be that appealing looking, plus they smell funny when they aren't wearing clothes. I can see where some humans approve of this, it is not very practical in most climes and could cause deleterious health effects. If people were on a tropical island or in a hot jungle, it would be practical but not in most other places.

Regards,

Rex Smiley

Our nation believes that this proposal is absolutly legal. The last version of this proposal was deleated as it had RL references, but now that it has been edited we believe that it wont be deleated again.

Notice the avatar and tagline under my name. I'm the moderator who removed your earlier version and gave you the notice about RL reference. I'm also the one who pointed you to the rules thread, with strong advice to read it before resubmitting.

When we sweep the proposals list, we don't do an exhaustive analysis on each of the dozens of proposals we delete daily. I generally send a telegram about the first illegality I spot, but that doesn't mean the rest is legal. That's why we recommend posting draft copies here for several days before submitting.

Look up the thread and see who had objected about this proposal's Strength. Note that both of us have the word Moderator under our names. Now rethink your position that it's entirely legal, and tell us why we shouldn't delete it ... 'cause I can assure you it will be if you don't.

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What other reason is the United Nations here then to protect the needs and wants of the people of the world?! It is the many of the world that need this right! You will see when the entire population of the world, except for a couple hundred people, show up naked when this is passed!




If it is the many of the world that want this right why dont they have it. If the majority of a country want to be naked they simply would do so or elect a government that would let them. the very fact that people dont have this right in their individual countries shows us that it is not a desired one. So go away and lets stop this rubbish of talking about unimportant issues.

Lol deleate it you power corrupt mongol.

I just wanted to see if I could debate it to pass. Now that it has been found illigal on a small little issue of strength, I don't care.

I'm no sovereigntist, not even close, but I still call this "going too far".

Roderick Spear
Paradican UN Representative

I just wanted to see if I could debate it to pass. Now that it has been found illigal on a small little issue of strength, I don't care.

If you care so little about what you propose, why should anyone else care about it?

If you care so little about what you propose, why should anyone else care about it?

This representative must concur with the representative of Altanar. This should be taken as a dismissal of the proposal, and that it should be deleted.

Lol deleate it you power corrupt mongol.

I just wanted to see if I could debate it to pass. Now that it has been found illigal on a small little issue of strength, I don't care.

Done, and thread closed. If you can't be bothered, we surely can't either.