NationStates Jolt Archive

The Use of Nuclear Weapons
March 7 2007

Category-Nuclear Regulation
Sub-category-conduct in war


In times of war, the use of nuclear weapons is often frowned upon because of the sheer amount of destruction that they bring down upon the world. But in times of severe strain, a leader of a nation may decide that the use of nuclear weapons will be permitted.

The use of nuclear weapons on the battlefield should be banned. Unless their is a direct threat of a nuclear strike on ones own soil. I am not proposing to banning of nuclear weapons entirely, or even a limitation to how many nukes on may possess. By all means build as many nukes as you see fit. But what I am trying to do is to prevent the unlawful use of nuclear weapons, or using nuclear weapons in an arena of war that could be won by conventional methods.

I propose that all nations should be required to use their nuclear weapons as a deterrent, and only as a deterrent. BUT if a nation is directly threatned with nuclear weapons then the use of nuclear weapons will be permitted.
I also propose that all nations in the United Nations who have nuclear weapons should be required to submit the exact number of how many nuclear weapons they have, and how many more they intend to use. And the strength of their nuclear asenal. Thus allowing the United Nations to be kept up to date of how many nuclear weapons their are in the world.

No, just no.

Do I always have to ask you why? Can you never just tell me?

No, just no.

We will not have anyone dictate the circumstances under which we use our legal and legitimate arsenel, be it nuclear or otherwise.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

I will not have you destroy the world because you are having a bad day and feel like letting off a little radiation!

I think you're overlapping resolution 109: Nuclear_Armaments (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Nuclear_Armaments) (allowing nuclear weapons) as well as resolution 75The_Nuclear_Terrorism_Act (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/The_Nuclear_Terrorism_Act) (lawful use).

Do I always have to ask you why? Can you never just tell me?

We will not have anyone dictate the circumstances under which we may use our legal and legitimate arsenal, be it nuclear or otherwise.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

I will not have you destroy the world because you are having a bad day and feel like letting off a little radiation!

We're not out to destroy the bloody world. We might consider wiping your nation of the map, though.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

We're not out to destroy the bloody world. We might consider wiping your nation of the map, though.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

Ahhh! You would risk your own nation in return, you are not the only bloody nation with a sizable nuclear asenal. We only wish to protect the world from power hungry tyrants like you! We will not have you using nuclear weapons on a whim.

Rudolf de Suden
Ambassador to the United Nations

Heikman Ule Nezbith
President of the Federation of Undbagarten

Not a whim at all, and we would be perfectly justified (hell, some would even applaud us, no doubt). Your nation is annoying.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

If you wish to start hostilities with our great nation; so be it. But be forwarned that your nation as well as ours will pay a heavy toll for you unwillingness to use you weapons of war more wisely instead of making threats of nuclear destruction. If we were not so understanding we would assume that your statement was declaration of war between our nations; and would begin to mobilize immediatly.

Rudolf de Suden
Ambassador to the United Nations

Heikman Ule Nezbith
President of the Federation of Undbagarten

Ahhh! You would risk your own nation in return, you are not the only bloody nation with a sizable nuclear asenal. We only wish to protect the world from power hungry tyrants like you! We will not have you using nuclear weapons on a whim.


Not a whim at all, and we would be perfectly justified (hell, some would even applaud us, no doubt). Your nation is annoying.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

Oh no! The blatent use of nuclear weapons has caused a time warp! Quick, somebody call the doctor! Or if he's not available Frank 'N Frutter.

I should point out to Undbagarten that Cluichstan has, and I quote, a "Frigging Death Star!" So if he wants to wipe your nation off the map you can be assured that nuclear destruction would not be involved.

If you wish to start hostilities with our great nation; so be it. But be forwarned that your nation as well as ours will pay a heavy toll for you unwillingness to use you weapons of war more wisely instead of making threats of nuclear destruction. If we were not so understanding we would assume that your statement was declaration of war between our nations; and would begin to mobilize immediatly.

Cluichstan is roughly seven times the size of Undbagarten. If you want to feel like a pygmy shaking a stick at a grizzly bear, feel free to mobilise. *smirk*

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

Cluichstan is roughly seven times the size of Undbagarten. If you want to feel like a pygmy shaking a stick at a grizzly bear, feel free to mobilise. *smirk*

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

Cluichstan may be larger, but Undbagarten am more technologicly advanced then you. And since our last little dabate about the morality of using Interceptors, I have decided to drop my bitch-ass stance on it and have implanted them in all of my citizens. Go ahead and take prisoners, I want you too, we will see everything.
Do not do something you will regret sir.

(Message transmitted directly from)

Heikman Ule Nezbith
President of the Federation of Undbagarten

On a less psychotic front, lol, this won't work as a resolution, but this is just a draft, blah blah blah. I'm sure you get it, it needs a lot of expanding if it were to become legitimate legislation. And should never say "I". Now, as to what it does, it seems to do very little. You state that you want to prevent the use of nukes where regular weapons could've been used. This is very, very open to interpretation, potentially leaving a massive loophole. The only thing that this directly seems to do is require members to submit the number of nuclear weapons they have to the UN, which, first of all, screams "COMMITTEE!", of which there are too many already. Second, I don't feel that this accomplishes a great deal, because UN nations are, more or less, all in a giant alliance, and really shouldn't be nuking each other, anyway. So, unless you're just trying to protect the non-UN part of the Multiverse, this doesn't really accomplish a great deal.

In short, I do not foresee this as passing, or really even getting close to it.

Oh, and...
[Grammar Nazi]
The use of nuclear weapons on the battlefield should be banned. Unless their is a direct threat of a nuclear strike on ones own soil.
First, you get a lesson on there, their, and they're.
There = over there, a place, or "there is," in relation to existence. "There are nukes."
Their = possession, as in "belonging to them," i.e. "Their nukes, the nukes that belong to them".
They're = "they are", as in "Nukes, they're dangerous."

Now, the second sentence is a run-on. "Unless their is a direct threat of a nuclear strike on ones own soil." What unless THERE is a blah blah blah? There is no actual verb in use in the sentence. "Is" doesn't count, because it's an explanation of something else. The sentences should be combined to read, "The use of nuclear weapons on the battlefield should be banned unless there is a direct threat of a nuclear strike on one's own soil."

Finally, as I stated earlier, UN legislation is a collectively done thing. There is no "I" involved in proper legislation. "We" or "The United Nations" or "The UN" should be the ones doing anything.

-CWG Grammar Nazis.
Advancing proper English, one post at a time.

[/Grammar Nazi]

And, both of you, knock of the time-warp thing. It's becoming apparent that we DID need that "back to the present" legislation, lol.

-The Author of Wolfgang, G.N.

The Wolf Guardians;12402283']On a less psychotic front, lol, this won't work as a resolution, but this is just a draft, blah blah blah. I'm sure you get it, it needs a lot of expanding if it were to become legitimate legislation. And should never say "I". Now, as to what it does, it seems to do very little. You state that you want to prevent the use of nukes where regular weapons could've been used. This is very, very open to interpretation, potentially leaving a massive loophole. The only thing that this directly seems to do is require members to submit the number of nuclear weapons they have to the UN, which, first of all, screams "COMMITTEE!", of which there are too many already. Second, I don't feel that this accomplishes a great deal, because UN nations are, more or less, all in a giant alliance, and really shouldn't be nuking each other, anyway. So, unless you're just trying to protect the non-UN part of the Multiverse, this doesn't really accomplish a great deal.

In short, I do not foresee this as passing, or really even getting close to it.

Oh, and...
[Grammar Nazi]

First, you get a lesson on there, their, and they're.
There = over there, a place, or "there is," in relation to existence. "There are nukes."
Their = possession, as in "belonging to them," i.e. "Their nukes, the nukes that belong to them".
They're = "they are", as in "Nukes, they're dangerous."

Now, the second sentence is a run-on. "Unless their is a direct threat of a nuclear strike on ones own soil." What unless THERE is a blah blah blah? There is no actual verb in use in the sentence. "Is" doesn't count, because it's an explanation of something else. The sentences should be combined to read, "The use of nuclear weapons on the battlefield should be banned unless there is a direct threat of a nuclear strike on one's own soil."

Finally, as I stated earlier, UN legislation is a collectively done thing. There is no "I" involved in proper legislation. "We" or "The United Nations" or "The UN" should be the ones doing anything.

-CWG Grammar Nazis.
Advancing proper English, one post at a time.

[/Grammar Nazi]

And, both of you, knock of the time-warp thing. It's becoming apparent that we DID need that "back to the present" legislation, lol.

-The Author of Wolfgang, G.N.

My grammer errors were a product of my typing to fast. And if you haven't noticed my nation is back to hostilities with Cluichstan, and this resolution may have inadvertadly caused war between our two peoples.

My grammer errors were a product of my typing to fast. And if you haven't noticed my nation is back to hostilities with Cluichstan, and this resolution may have inadvertadly caused war between our two peoples.

If it has, it wasn't declared by us. However, if you choose to go that route, it shouldn't last long. I just got off the phone with our defense minister. He has informed me that our Death Star is already approaching Undbagarten and will be employed if necessary. Continue your juvenile sabre-rattling at your own peril.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

My grammer errors were a product of my typing to fast. And if you haven't noticed my nation is back to hostilities with Cluichstan, and this resolution may have inadvertadly caused war between our two peoples.

Ok, now you get a lesson on to, too, and two.
to = to do something.
too = too much, or "I do that, too."
two = If I had to explain this, I'd also have to hunt you down and kill you with an ax, and I don't feel like doing that today.

Perhaps you should practice your typing skills.

Oh, and, just so you know, Cluich is, near as I can tell, on the brink of war all the time. However, I'm also DEFCON and such, and stand behind him, even if he uses nukes. You can be sure that, in the wake of his nuclear bombing, CWG gunships would be close behind, shooting any survivors and spreading radiation neutralizers to prevent damage to the remainder of the environment.

If it has, it wasn't declared by us. However, if you choose to go that route, it shouldn't last long. I just got off the phone with our defense minister. He has informed me that our Death Star is already approaching Undbagarten and will be employed if necessary. Continue your juvenile sabre-rattling at your own peril.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN


Right. Go ahead and bring in your Death Star; it will never get past our Particle Laser Defence systems. You will lose you Death Star and your nation will fall. The Federal Army of Undbagarten will fight you to the last man.

(Message transmitted directly from)

Heikman Ule Nezbith
President of the Federation of Undbagarten

The Wolf Guardians;12402318']Ok, now you get a lesson on to, too, and two.
to = to do something.
too = too much, or "I do that, too."
two = If I had to explain this, I'd also have to hunt you down and kill you with an ax, and I don't feel like doing that today.

Perhaps you should practice your typing skills.

Oh, and, just so you know, Cluich is, near as I can tell, on the brink of war all the time. However, I'm also DEFCON and such, and stand behind him, even if he uses nukes. You can be sure that, in the wake of his nuclear bombing, CWG gunships would be close behind, shooting any survivors and spreading radiation neutralizers to prevent damage to the remainder of the environment.

So you are against the Nation of Undbagarten too; I swear to both of you. You will regret this.

Heikman Ule Nezbith
President of the Federation of Undbagarten

Cluich, we're aligning the Guardian Defense Satellite Grid to the Death Star, to boost your power, whether or not you need it. There's also a battalion of Aerotanks en route, just for shits and grins. Let'er rip!

The Wolf Guardians;12402340']Cluich, we're aligning the Guardian Defense Satellite Grid to the Death Star, to boost your power, whether or not you need it. There's also a battalion of Aerotanks en route, just for shits and grins. Let'er rip!

Do you really want to face this http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/27/Excalibur_ballistic_missile_defense.jpg and we have hundreds. You will never get anywhere near Undbagarten!

Heikman Ule Nezbith
President of the Federation of Undbagarten

Right. Go ahead and bring in your Death Star; it will never get past our Particle Laser Defence systems. You will lose you Death Star and your nation will fall. The Federal Army of Undbagarten will fight you to the last man.I feel compelled to warn Heikman Ule Nezbith that Cluichstan is basically one gigantic armed force. You'll get squashed.

Do the sensible thing, whip out your IGNORE cannons and stop trying to pick a fight.

EDIT:Or, if you really want, take it to II.

Regards,

Justified ancients of MU MU

Right. Go ahead and bring in your Death Star; it will never get past our Particle Laser Defence systems. You will lose you Death Star and your nation will fall. The Federal Army of Undbagarten will fight you to the last man.

(Message transmitted directly from)

Heikman Ule Nezbith
President of the Federation of Undbagarten

*addressing the Undbagarten delegation* I've contacted the High Sultan of Cluichstan to see how he'd like to respond to your empty threats. Apparently, he doesn't feel you, your president, or your nation as a whole are worth his time.

*turns to the representative of TWG* The High Sultan did, however, wish to convey his thanks for your expression of solidairty. You have my personal thanks as well, my friend.

*grumbles* The Alpha agrees that this is relatively pointless. He doesn't feel like burning ants under a magnifying glass today. Have a nice life, citizen!

*addressing the Undbagarten delegation* I've contacted the High Sultan of Cluichstan to see how he'd like to respond to your empty threats. Apparently, he doesn't feel you, your president, or your nation as a whole are worth his time.

*turns to the representative of TWG* The High Sultan did, however, wish to convey his thanks for your expression of solidairty. You have my personal thanks as well, my friend.

Why are you running away?

The Wolf Guardians;12402340']Cluich, we're aligning the Guardian Defense Satellite Grid to the Death Star, to boost your power, whether or not you need it. There's also a battalion of Aerotanks en route, just for shits and grins. Let'er rip!

Thank you, my friend. The Death Star is nearing position (http://www.freewebs.com/gmanmicheal/Endor%20&%20Death%20Star.jpg) (as if Unbagarten's silly ground-based defenses have any hope of even scratching it -- HA!), and our fighters (http://www.zteamproductions.com/sithapprentice/images/sa_tie.jpg) have already been scrambled. We've also begun mobilising ground troops (http://www1.whdh.com/images/news_articles/389x205/star_wars_rose_parade.jpg), just in case Undbagarten is insane enough to launch a land invasion. Preparedness and all, y'know.

However, we will hold off on any direct action against Undbagarten to see if any others, like you, want to join in the fun -- a Coalition of the Belligerent, if you will.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

Thank you, my friend. The Death Star is nearing position (http://www.freewebs.com/gmanmicheal/Endor%20&%20Death%20Star.jpg) (as if Unbagarten's silly ground-based defenses have any hope of even scratching it -- HA!), and our fighters (http://www.zteamproductions.com/sithapprentice/images/sa_tie.jpg) have already been scrambled. We've also begun mobilising ground troops (http://www1.whdh.com/images/news_articles/389x205/star_wars_rose_parade.jpg), just in case Undbagarten is insane enough to launch a land invasion. Preparedness and all, y'know.

However, we will hold off on any direct action against Undbagarten to see if any others, like you, want to join in the fun -- a Coalition of the Belligerent, if you will.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN


I see, you fear the might of Undbagarten and will not fight us by your selves. I too will mobilize.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/80/AC5Arkbird.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f3/Mesoncannon.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6b/Stonehengeac4.jpg

No fear at all. We just don't want to let our allies miss out on any of the fun of pulverising your nation. *smirk*

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

The Guardian Spook that'd been lurking about the building recently walked in. "I hear there's going to be a light show projected onto the Death Star's shields later? I'd like to go aboard to watch?"

The Wolf Guardians;12402435']The Guardian Spook that'd been lurking about the building recently walked in. "I hear there's going to be a light show projected onto the Death Star's shields later? I'd like to go aboard to watch?"

By all means. In fact, perhaps I'll join you. It's been a while since I've seen that bad boy in action. We can take my personal shuttle. I'll delay our departure for a bit, though, to see if anyone else would like to join us for the show.

Though Hirosami Kildarno, Ambassador to the UN has on more than one occassion clashed proverbial horns with Cluichstan (amongst others), he saw little option but to respond to the deplorable acts on Undbagarten citizens by their government. Furthermore, Hirota also stood as a member of DEFCON. Consulation with the Hirotan government at Capitol revealed only one course of action.

TO: President Heikman Ule Nezbith

Sir,

Desist your war-mongering and your infringement on fundamental human rights before you risk provoking Hirota into join a conflict you cannot win.

Regards
Hirosami Kildarno

Though Hirosami Kildarno, Ambassador to the UN has on more than one occassion clashed proverbial horns with Cluichstan (amongst others), he saw little option but to respond to the deplorable acts on Undbagarten citizens by their government. Furthermore, Hirota also stood as a member of DEFCON. Consulation with the Hirotan government at Capitol revealed only one course of action.

TO: President Heikman Ule Nezbith

Sir,

Desist your war-mongering and your infringement on fundamental human rights before you risk provoking Hirota into join a conflict you cannot win.

Regards
Hirosami Kildarno

You have no say in my war against the unlawful nuclear power of Cluichstan. Stay out of it Hirosami Kildarno!

Heikman Ule Nezbith
President of the Federation of Undbagarten

You have no say in my war against the unlawful nuclear power of Cluichstan. Stay out of it Hirosami Kildarno!

Heikman Ule Nezbith
President of the Federation of Undbagarten

Unlawful? Seems you're not familiar with UNR #109 (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Nuclear_Armaments).

And our fine Hirotan friends are more than welcome to join our budding coalition should your nation continue to pursue this course. The more, the merrier, in fact.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

Unlawful? Seems you're not familiar with UNR #109 (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Nuclear_Armaments).

And our fine Hirotan friends are more than welcome to join our budding coalition should your nation continue to pursue this course. The more, the merrier, in fact.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

I will not deter in my course of fighting you. I will not surrender to the likes of you and your pathetic coalition!

Heikman Ule Nezbith
President of the Federation of Undbagarten

I will not deter in my course of fighting you. I will not surrender to the likes of you and your pathetic coalition!

Heikman Ule Nezbith
President of the Federation of Undbagarten

The assembled delegates erupt (http://www.a1freesoundeffects.com/popular2552/cannedlaugh.wav).

The assembled delegates erupt (http://www.a1freesoundeffects.com/popular2552/cannedlaugh.wav).

Do you really think you can beat a nation a large as the Federation of Undbagarten?

Not "beat". The word is "annihilate".

Just try. I beg you. I wish to see the people of your nation in tears as I have you and your staff shot at sundown!

Do you really think you can beat a nation a large as the Federation of Undbagarten?

Not "beat". The word is "annihilate".

The assembled delegates erupt (http://www.a1freesoundeffects.com/popular2552/cannedlaugh.wav) again.

Erupt all you want. The allies of Undbagarten will fight to the death.

Heikman Ule Nezbith
President of the Federation of Undbagarten

Just try. I beg you. I wish to see the people of your nation in tears as I have you and your staff shot at sundown!

The assembled delegates erupt (http://www.a1freesoundeffects.com/popular2552/cannedlaugh.wav) again.

The Federal Airforce is preparing for its first bombing run. Prepare!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/Su-27_in_aerobatics_show.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Soviet_MiG-29_DF-ST-99-04977.JPG

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d9/Chengdu_J-10_photo_1.jpg

They are coming for you. Thousands upon thousands of them.


Heikman Ule Nezbith
President of the Federation of Undbagarten

You know, as much as I love to see a god modding nuclear tech equivalent of a pissing contest, shouldn't this really belong in International Incidents? Please take it there before I send in my augmented darleks armed with tissue compression eliminators.

http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL291/1756382/5512569/228969662.jpg http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL291/1756382/5512569/228969662.jpg

Sincerely,
The Master

You know, as much as I love to see a god modding nuclear tech equivalent of a pissing contest, shouldn't this really belong in International Incidents? Please take it there before I send in my augmented darleks armed with tissue compression eliminators.

http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL291/1756382/5512569/228969662.jpg http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL291/1756382/5512569/228969662.jpg

Sincerely,
The Master

Where did you come from, do you wish to taste steel too?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c9/Merkava-mkIII-LIC-pic06.jpg

The Federal Airforce is preparing for its first bombing run. Prepare!

They are coming for you. Thousands upon thousands of them.

And our AT-AAs (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/All_Terrain_Anti-Aircraft) will, no doubt, make short work of them.

http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/6/61/AT-AA1.jpg

*sigh* Your feeble military bores us.

And our AT-AAs (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/All_Terrain_Anti-Aircraft) will, no doubt, make short work of them.

http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/6/61/AT-AA1.jpg

*sigh* Your feeble military bores us.

"Ahhhhhh. That is it. Superintendent-General Harrikson, bring out the big guns!"

"Yes, sir!"

It is time for you to die! http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/11/Hresvelgr_aircraft.jpg There is no way your pathetic military will shoot down this aircraft. You are about to face a nuclear fire-storm!

Is this a private party or can anyone join in, my Armed Forces are ready, willing and more than capable

No, it will not be cannon fodder, the hundreds of these flying giants will desimate your military.

Ah, lovely. More cannon fodder. :rolleyes:

OOC: Y'know, there's no need to be including pics in quotes from my posts. And stop breaking the bloody page!

If you like I can run ahead, put sugar in the fuel tanks and tie all their laces together

Is this a private party or can anyone join in, my Armed Forces are ready, willing and more than capable

Ah, welcome to the representative of Gorillapigs! I was wondering if any of my regionmates would want a piece of this action. Jump on in, my friend! And later on, you can join me on my personal shuttle for a trip up to our Death Star to watch the show.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

Ah, welcome to the representative of Gorillapigs! I was wondering if any of my regionmates would want a piece of this action. Jump on in, my friend! And later on, you can join me on my personal shuttle for a trip up to our Death Star to watch the show.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN


Your assosiation with Cluichstan has forced my hand in this. The Federation of Undbagarten officially declares a state of war on the nation Gorillapigs.

That's probably all it would take. They are obscenely overmatched and were extremely foolhardy to pursue this course of action.

The nation of Undbagarten and her allies will crush you!

I thought as much, then we can retire to a bar for a civilised session or two

I think I'll have a pint of what he's drinking too. Such delusions amuse me

If you like I can run ahead, put sugar in the fuel tanks and tie all their laces together

That's probably all it would take. They are obscenely overmatched and were extremely foolhardy to pursue this course of action.

OCC: I have to go, I have a job interview to go to. I will be back on tommorow. Watch out. You two have sown the seeds of your destruction.

I thought as much, then we can retire to a bar for a civilised session or two

Or several. ;)

OOC: At the risk of prolonging this futile fight, I feel compelled to point something out here:

Cluichstan:
Defence (78%): $15,645,982,638,061
Population: 3,020,000,000

Undbagarten:
Defence (29%): $1,306,047,497,697
Population: 430,000,000

Looking at these facts, one can only assume that one of the combatants in such a conflict would get its ass handed to it. Three guesses as to which one that is, and the first two don't count. So, Undbagarten, care to rethink your combativeness here? We'd recommend it.

OOC: Lord, please use image tags!

IC:

The Great Star Empire, composing some 300 systems and capable of interdimensional travel, warns that any aggressive action against our allies in Cluichstan will be viewed as a declaration of war, and we will respond in kind.

Colonel Johanas Sidder
Military Attache

OOC: Please tell me we're taking this to II. Pleasepleaseplease.

Don't forget that Undbagarten has at least FIVE enemies so far. My population is three times his, Gorillapigs is four times, Cluich has 3 billion, and, holy crap, Allech-Atreus has 5,776,000,000. And, Holy Crap, capitalized, Hirota has 6,726,000,000.

-5,776,000,000(AA)
-3,020,000,000(Cluich)
-2,017,000,000(Gorillapigs)
-6,726,000,000(Hirota)
-1,284,000,000(me)
18,823,000,000 people against Undbagarten's
---430,000,000.

Adjusting roughly for the value of our various monies, we have
----340,871,946,000(me)
-24,701,912,636,000(Cluich)
----443,103,267,000(Gorillapigs)
-15,146,454,931,000(Hirota)
-86,305,932,700,000(AA)
126,938,275,480,000 versus the
--1,543,836,441,150ish of Undbagarten.

Assuming I figured all of that correctly, we haven't even started yet, and we have approximately 43.7744 times the manpower and 82.2226 times the budget. *Grins*



(OOC: Good god, that was a waste of time. Took me a half hour to do that. There, I added Hirota and also updated some math. Stupid of me to miss that. Hirota, Cluich, and AA are now my war-buddies :D )

The Wolf Guardians']
(OOC: Good god, that was a waste of time. Took me a half hour to do that.)

OOC: A half hour, huh? Might wanna spend a little more time and add Hirota (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=520054&page=3) to that list. :p

Just being a smartass. It's really not worth the time, nor is Undbagarten worth any of ours.

Eh, I did it anyway. It's not like I'm doing anything productive anyway.

Enough with the image-wank. Knock it off.

I should point out that UN DEFCON (http://s15.invisionfree.com/UN_DEFCON) is not a military alliance. It is simply an organisation for nations interested in pushing international-security matters within the UN. Its members are under no obligation to come to the aid of one another in the event of a military conflict.

Cordially,
Sheik Nottap bin Cluich
Cluichstani Defense Minister
Chairman, UN DEFCON

While the delegates are busy waving their steel penii around, I'd like to remind them that they're still in the UN building.

And that I can breathe fire.

Please, enough posturing.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/Tindalos/UN/Verm.jpg
Vermithrax Pejorative
UN Observer
The Federated Technocratic Oligarchy of the Most Glorious Hack

But I haven't postured yet! Please, please can I posture? Pretty please with a cherry on top?

OK I've got the marshmellows, the chocolate and the graham crackers, all I need is the fire.

Please M'am can I have s'mores?

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Penii would be the plural of Penius. I believe the word you are looking for is penes.






I can't believe I just said that.

OK, now that that's (hopefully) over with, can we get back to the matter at hand?
My grammer errors were a product of my typing to fast.
Take it from someone who's a resolution author, and incendentally enough mine is also on the topic of nuclear weapons, writing a resolution is more like a marathon than a sprint. You don't just throw something together. You take your time, you check it carefully for spelling and grammar errors (OOC: I'm surprised you didn't mention that one CWG), you check it against the proposal rules to make sure it's legal, which I'd like to point out, it currently isn't since, unless new categories have been added without my noticing, "Nuclear Regulation" isn't a category we have. You have managed to avoid any contradiction issues with Resolution #109 since your proposal only target use of nuclear weapons, and #109 only deals with possession.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

P.S. My brother, the Grand Poobah of The Rogue Nation of Flibbleites, asked me to relay a message for him. He says that if you insist on this fruitless aggression against Cluichstan, our military will most likely come to their aid (not that they'll need it) and you don't want to mess with an army equipped with the latest technology and magic.

We will not have anyone dictate the circumstances under which we may use our legal and legitimate arsenal, be it nuclear or otherwise.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

As the esteemed Mr. Flibble wishes, we shall get back on topic.

I can't agree more with you, Sheik Nadnerb. It would seem, from a National Sovereignty point of view, that a nation should be allowed to use its nuclear weapons in any manner they wish. This does not exclude consequences, however. It would seem that if a nation strikes without warning, it may as well be asking for a swift punishment.

If this is submitted, The Autocratic Commonwealth of Akimonad voted AGAINST.
We wish to do what we please.

Respectfully,
Rep. Dr. Jules Hodz
Akimonad Representative to the UN and
Professor Emeritus of Political Sciences
University of Kent

P.S.: We currently are neutral in your aggression with Cluichstan. We will, however, get involved if necessary, but for now we reserve the right of neutrality.

P.S.: We currently are neutral in your aggression with Cluichstan. We will, however, get involved if necessary, but for now we reserve the right of neutrality.

OOC: How very...Swiss of you. :p

IC:

Wuss.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

Wuss.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstani Ambassador to the UN

FINE! IF you INSIST on BADGERING us to join you, WE'LL JUST- join. We can't resist peer pressure.

*whispers* Note to self: Build peer pressure cannons for use against Akimonad if such conflict arises. Oh, wait. The bureaucrat cannons will do that.

It would seem, from a National Sovereignty point of view, that a nation should be allowed to use its nuclear weapons in any manner they wish. This does not exclude consequences, however. It would seem that if a nation strikes without warning, it may as well be asking for a swift punishment.

Respectfully,
Rep. Dr. Jules Hodz
Akimonad Representative to the UN and
Professor Emeritus of Political Sciences
University of Kent


The planet we're on is pretty small, and we're fond of it. Are you suggesting ever nation on it has a right to destroy the planet?

The planet where on is pretty small, and we're fond of it. Are you suggesting ever nation on it has a right to destroy the planet?

Yes.

But, not everyone is on Earth. I have a puppet in The Pleiades (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=The%20Pleiades/). So there. Not every nation resides on earth.

Furthermore, You should read it more closely. You can do what you want, but there will be consequences. If you jump of the top of the UN Building, you will probably die.

Yes.

But, not everyone is on Earth. I have a puppet in The Pleiades (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=The%20Pleiades/). So there. Not every nation resides on earth.

Furthermore, You should read it more closely. You can do what you want, but there will be consequences. If you jump of the top of the UN Building, you will probably die.

Ah ok. I guess I won't care until the issue is, GiantUniverseDestroyingNukes then. Do you have any of those?

Ah ok. I guess I won't care until the issue is, GiantUniverseDestroyingNukes then. Do you have any of those?
We possess only ICBMs. But Cluichstan has a frikkin' Death Star. So watch out.

We possess only ICBMs. But Cluichstan has a frikkin' Death Star. So watch out.

Indeed we do (http://www.atomfilms.com/film/gangsta_rap_se.jsp).

This should belong in "International Incidents", because this is getting really close to RPing and thread hijacking.

As for the proposal (remember that?) I would absolutley love a well written proposal that regulates the use of nuclear weapons to "retaliation only" use. Unfortunatley, it would be pretty hard to pass, much less get by the mods since the area is so well covered by other resolutions. And since many of those other reslutions are fairly well written and comprehensive on other matters, I doubt a repeal is possible much less worth the effort.

I'm sorry to say, unless you do some clever writing or magically get an amendment system running, this is a no go for the moment.

[EDIT] Deathstar!!?? Cluich you godmodding **** ******* ****! ****, **** *** ** ******!!...****?

[EDIT] Deathstar!!?? Cluich you godmodding **** ******* ****! ****, **** *** ** ******!!...****?

OOC: Dude, the Death Star's been around for a long time now. Please try to keep up. ;)